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OfflineOverDoseLiving
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Superthrive Overdose killed my seedlings
    #545452 - 04/11/11 10:48 PM (5 years, 7 months ago)

Pretty much my whole pack of blue himalayan is dead on day 3. except one but i ddont think itll make it. it fell out, of the peat puck cuse its roots were rotted and the puck wasnt even too wet..

Thats it, I am done with peat pucks and autoflowers. Ive just hadd ba experiences with jiffy pellets, especially when using them for autoflowers. I know this multiple fctors came into play here, but Im sure if I would have just put them straight into soiul, like I KNEW I should have, i wouldnt have been out $100. :facepalm:


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Re: Superthrive Overdose killed my seedlings [Re: OverDoseLiving]
    #545470 - 04/11/11 11:14 PM (5 years, 7 months ago)

You're not making sense here though. Your title says that a superthrive OD killed em, and in your post you're saying it was due to the peat pellets?


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Re: Superthrive Overdose killed my seedlings [Re: OverDoseLiving]
    #545475 - 04/11/11 11:30 PM (5 years, 7 months ago)

WTF


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Re: Superthrive Overdose killed my seedlings [Re: KaptKid]
    #545480 - 04/11/11 11:43 PM (5 years, 7 months ago)

Just curious? 

Why did you give seedlings food? And as far as superthrive goes, well it can definitely stunt plants IME. Have never killed any with superthrive alone. But have slowed down growth considerably. You are only to use a drop or 2 per gallon.


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Re: Superthrive Overdose killed my seedlings [Re: SpaceMonkey]
    #545486 - 04/12/11 12:02 AM (5 years, 7 months ago)

Yeah I know i didnt make much sense. It was just a combo of factors that worked together, i dont think it would have happend without one or the othe. i figured most people would be able to make sense out of what I was saying and just figure I was pissed and didnt give a fuck much about what I saidd,,. together they killed my plants. I dont think it woul have been like that therwiise if i just used pellets, or just superthrive..


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Re: Superthrive Overdose killed my seedlings [Re: OverDoseLiving]
    #545489 - 04/12/11 12:12 AM (5 years, 7 months ago)

Or not feed your seedling till about a month old? Anything.


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Re: Superthrive Overdose killed my seedlings [Re: OverDoseLiving]
    #545508 - 04/12/11 01:14 AM (5 years, 7 months ago)

Superthrive is a defoliant. It can wipe out jungles similar to agent orange. Why anyone feeds that to their plants is beyond me. Don't believe me research the ingredients.


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Re: Superthrive Overdose killed my seedlings [Re: Flying_Dog]
    #545528 - 04/12/11 02:09 AM (5 years, 7 months ago)

Defoliant?
From what I saw and smell when I use it. It is soluable vitamins and minerals. :shrug:


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Re: Superthrive Overdose killed my seedlings [Re: Flying_Dog]
    #545537 - 04/12/11 04:55 AM (5 years, 7 months ago)

Quote:

Flying_Dog said:
Superthrive is a defoliant. It can wipe out jungles similar to agent orange. Why anyone feeds that to their plants is beyond me. Don't believe me research the ingredients.



Such an outrageous claim demands equal evidence. Its a synthetic hormone and b1. Dooms Day in a bottle :what:


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Re: Superthrive Overdose killed my seedlings [Re: Eleutherios]
    #545572 - 04/12/11 12:45 PM (5 years, 7 months ago)

ya its a rooting horone and some vitamins, who knows what else...
I think it contains gibberellins. Thinking about it, I think in higher doses some of those actually can stunt growth..

They have different efects depending on the dose..

I guess i found the dose that kills them..


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Re: Superthrive Overdose killed my seedlings [Re: OverDoseLiving]
    #545593 - 04/12/11 03:04 PM (5 years, 7 months ago)

This is just an example of more does not equal better.


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Re: Superthrive Overdose killed my seedlings [Re: Eleutherios]
    #545597 - 04/12/11 03:25 PM (5 years, 7 months ago)

I'd be willing to bet that Superthrive had nothing to do with the death of these plants.  Unless of course you tried using more than 3ml per gallon.

You say the root was rotten, and I'm guess ing was a try at hydro, since you said next time you'd use soil.

Well was the water airated?  Lack of air in the water will cause root rot quickly.

This sounds like a drowning issue to me.  Just my 2 cents.


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Re: Superthrive Overdose killed my seedlings [Re: Stoneth]
    #545762 - 04/12/11 08:25 PM (5 years, 7 months ago)

You guys say its only vitamins and minerals. Show me the hazmat sheet you only see this on. I will track it down again and post it here. Just cause you guys think its just vitamins and hormones doesn't mean its true. Superthrive does contain dioxins and synthetic auxins. There is a reason its illegal in a few states.


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Re: Superthrive Overdose killed my seedlings [Re: Flying_Dog]
    #545870 - 04/13/11 01:43 AM (5 years, 7 months ago)

SUPERthrive is a WARF testing lab certified non-toxic liquid concentrated growth enhancer product for plants, which has been available since 1940. It contains ".09% vitamin B1, .048% 1-Napthyl acetic acid",[1].

The hormone 1-Naphthyl acetic acid (NAA) does not occur naturally. Under the Federal Insecticide, Fungicide, and Rodenticide Act (FIFRA), products containing NAA require registration with the Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) as pesticides. The sale of Superthrive is prohibited in Oklahoma, Minnesota, and Oregon as an unregistered pesticide.-From Wikipedia


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Re: Superthrive Overdose killed my seedlings [Re: Eleutherios]
    #545994 - 04/13/11 01:39 PM (5 years, 7 months ago)

Exactly, 1-Naphthyl acetic acid (NAA) is a synthetic auxin.


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Re: Superthrive Overdose killed my seedlings [Re: Flying_Dog]
    #546028 - 04/13/11 02:33 PM (5 years, 7 months ago)

And how does that make it an herbicide?


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Re: Superthrive Overdose killed my seedlings [Re: Harry_Ba11sach]
    #546239 - 04/13/11 11:58 PM (5 years, 7 months ago)

Heres a little something, I'm at work right now so later I will track down some university files. Also if you simply google it as a defoliant you will find hundreds of articles and material sheets.
Maybe we should do a thread on how auxins and synthetic auxins work since nobody here seems to have knowledge of them.
http://www.freepatentsonline.com/4402726.html

Auxins are often used to promote initiation of adventitious roots and are the active ingredient of the commercial preparations used in horticulture to root stem cuttings. They can also be used to promote uniform flowering, to promote fruit set, and to prevent premature fruit drop.

Used in high doses, auxin stimulates the production of ethylene. Excess ethylene can inhibit elongation growth, cause leaves to fall (leaf abscission), and even kill the plant.
Broad-leaf plants (dicots) such as dandelions are much more susceptible to auxins than narrow-leaf plants (monocots) like grass and cereal crops. These synthetic auxins were the active agents in Agent Orange, a defoliant used extensively by American forces in the Vietnam War.


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Re: Superthrive Overdose killed my seedlings [Re: Flying_Dog]
    #546260 - 04/14/11 12:59 AM (5 years, 7 months ago)

Quote:

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how auxins and synthetic auxins work since nobody here seems to have knowledge of them.






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Re: Superthrive Overdose killed my seedlings [Re: Harry_Ba11sach]
    #546368 - 04/14/11 03:47 PM (5 years, 7 months ago)

I wasn't refering to you harrysac.lol  I mean in general everyone seemed to not know what I was refering to. I probably worded that wrong after a whole bottle of jack and pain killers because I seriously injured my knee yesterday after planting 9 abrorvitae's for a privacy barrier. I was very grumpy from the pain and the jack probably inhanced it.  So I hope nobody took it the wrong way. I think we should have a sticky thread that shows how the vascular systems of plants works and how hormones influence plant growth.  I know I would surely learn something. I would try today to do one but I just have a short attention span today from all the painkillers, might need to get it checked out. Also Im not a good artist to draw things up, although I'm sure I could find pics online. Maybe tomorrow unless someone else wants to do that.

edit: Alright to determine the phytotoxicity of superthrive I'm going to do a series of experiments and would appreciate particpation from everyone and advise on how to conduct these experiments.

Also besides phytotoxicty I'm curious as to human toxcity of superthrive. Considering that some synthetic auxins have been linked to cancer in humans. Obviously we can't test this but I will check if there has been research done concerning the synthetic auxin in superthrive. If anyone has info you can post it in the thead I will start containing the experiments so as not to take tis thread to far off topic. It can now be found here..  http://www.growery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/546400


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Re: Superthrive Overdose killed my seedlings [Re: Flying_Dog]
    #546401 - 04/14/11 05:16 PM (5 years, 7 months ago)

I think it's a flawed experiment. Feed your plants 5x the suggested dosage of ANY nutrient and see what happens :shrug:


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