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 DungenessDank
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 Re: I am now a vegetarian who is with ME???????  [Re: THEBats]
#581691 - 08/28/11 05:25 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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Don't be so realistic, people who went to school to get paid large sums of money have no bias whatsoever.
I would definitely say a Pescetarian diet has an advantage of vegetarianism.
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THEBats
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Re: I am now a vegetarian who is with ME??????? [Re: DungenessDank]
#581692 - 08/28/11 05:28 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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Really the key to good health is reading the secret. Everything else is a waste of time.
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kickin-two-hundo said:
you know what i did in english class? I came to class stoned out of my mind every day, i chugged vodka in the back of class, i put dead fish in the ceiling tiles. i put a gallon of old milk and orange juice in the file cabinet before winter vacation. i brought snakes in a tied up sweater and let them loose during class. i didnt go to school to learn, i went because i had to. i didnt care, and i didn't fucking listen to that stupid bitch. and i still don't fucking care. i tore the pages out of her books and burned them, and threw away all the books in the class, two books per day. 
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Re: I am now a vegetarian who is with ME??????? [Re: THEBats]
#581696 - 08/28/11 05:32 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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Don't be so realistic,
lol......I did get a little carried away didn't I. Man I gotta get out of this hospital and smoke the bowl of hash I have waiting for me in the car. I apologize for the seriousness.   
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Re: I am now a vegetarian who is with ME??????? [Re: THEBats]
#581697 - 08/28/11 05:32 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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King Koopa said:
The amount of pot that Gask smokes is equivalent to a guy shooting heroin on weekends
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Magash
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Re: I am now a vegetarian who is with ME??????? [Re: Magash]
#581698 - 08/28/11 05:34 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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and this is the first time I've used one of these portable internet cards to get on line. Kind of cool being able to get on with a laptop anyplace I want rather then the damn Iphone again.
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Re: I am now a vegetarian who is with ME??????? [Re: THEBats]
#581699 - 08/28/11 05:35 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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THEBats said:
Really there's no way to definitively prove that unless we were to gather up a bunch of humans, raise them in a lab and monitor their diets until death, while keeping all other factors the same. It can't be done, which is why it's short sighted to definitively conclude anything in regards to diet and overall health.
THIS
I know he studied a lot more than heart disease. There was diabetes and cancer involved in his study too. I don't know what diet the guy personally eats, but if doesn't follow the diet that does not discredit it IMO. Some doctors that teach people to be healthy are fat and smoke and that does not discredit their work.
Who are you to say what is bad science? What is propaganda to me is information to you. All you can do is filter all the information that's available to you out there and do the best you can to filter out the garbage. You are trying to discredit Dr. Dean Ornish who has been helping people and literally saving their lives his whole medical career by questioning his diet. Have you even read any of his books?
I've read many other books besides this guy too and from the information that's available to me, I believe it has been proven that the diet is best. This is due to the fact that I have experienced it, researched it, and the ethics.
Yes certain foods are bad in excess, your better off if you use moderation. Or even better off if you avoid them all together because they serve no purpose except soothing an acquired taste.
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Re: I am now a vegetarian who is with ME??????? [Re: Pandor]
#581702 - 08/28/11 05:38 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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Pandor said:
Meat is bad for you period.
What about fish meat, turkey, and chicken?
It's obvious that white meat is healthier than red meat.
Sure it's bad to eat a steak, or eat processed hamburgers every day, but it's not 'bad' when
eaten in moderation.
Fish such as salmon and tuna are high in omega-3 fatty acids, which can reduce risks for
heart disease. That sounds beneficial to me. Just because something is a meat, doesn't mean
that it's bad for you.
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Re: I am now a vegetarian who is with ME??????? [Re: Pandor]
#581704 - 08/28/11 05:43 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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Well not only does he not follow it he recommends you not follow a strict vegan diet, he recommends taking fish oil supplements.
Do you have a link where is shows him talking about other diseases? I have only found him talking about heart disease, specifically CAD.
And you ask if I've read his books, without yourself I'm sure mentioning or checking out the collection of not one but five studies which I posted above.
While I've not read his books I am familiar with the man, and have read many things written by him, as well as other vegans and nutritionists.
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kickin-two-hundo said:
you know what i did in english class? I came to class stoned out of my mind every day, i chugged vodka in the back of class, i put dead fish in the ceiling tiles. i put a gallon of old milk and orange juice in the file cabinet before winter vacation. i brought snakes in a tied up sweater and let them loose during class. i didnt go to school to learn, i went because i had to. i didnt care, and i didn't fucking listen to that stupid bitch. and i still don't fucking care. i tore the pages out of her books and burned them, and threw away all the books in the class, two books per day.
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Re: I am now a vegetarian who is with ME??????? [Re: Magash]
#581705 - 08/28/11 05:44 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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Doctors who practice chemo therapy treatments are notoriously one-track minded. I would not take much they say to heart other than the chemo facts themselves. Even if they said go vegan I would still tell you this.
So you have cancer and around them all the time? They could care less if your vegan or not. To say they are one track minded is fairly stupid and it's made up.
No... oncology is so highly specialized they just dont have the time to be well versed across the board.
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The amount of pot that Gask smokes is equivalent to a guy shooting heroin on weekends
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Re: I am now a vegetarian who is with ME??????? [Re: I_AM_SWIM]
#581707 - 08/28/11 05:50 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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I_AM_SWIM said:
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Pandor said:
Meat is bad for you period.
What about fish meat, turkey, and chicken?
It's obvious that white meat is healthier than red meat.
Sure it's bad to eat a steak, or eat processed hamburgers every day, but it's not 'bad' when
eaten in moderation.
Fish such as salmon and tuna are high in omega-3 fatty acids, which can reduce risks for
heart disease. That sounds beneficial to me. Just because something is a meat, doesn't mean
that it's bad for you.
Meat fills your hunger need with out giving your body the nutrition it needs. The meat we eat today is the worst quality in history. Almost all of it comes from factory farms where the animals have been forced to become cannibalistic mutants. These animals are not healthy and neither is their flesh.
You may be able to make a case for fish, but personally I don't fall for the omega 3 hype, just like I didn't fall for all the protein hype. You can get all of your protein easily for vegetables.
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Re: I am now a vegetarian who is with ME??????? [Re: THEBats]
#581714 - 08/28/11 05:56 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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THEBats said:
Well not only does he not follow it he recommends you not follow a strict vegan diet, he recommends taking fish oil supplements.
Do you have a link where is shows him talking about other diseases? I have only found him talking about heart disease, specifically CAD.
And you ask if I've read his books, without yourself I'm sure mentioning or checking out the collection of not one but five studies which I posted above.
While I've not read his books I am familiar with the man, and have read many things written by him, as well as other vegans and nutritionists.
I am not about to sit here and pick apart this guy or his studies. There is much else out there besides this guy too.
A good short book that's an easy read is "Skinny Bitch" and there are countless other good books and studies done. Anyone can google it.
There is no point in picking this one guy apart. Perhaps you are correct and he is not the one who studied cancer and diabetes and I am getting him confused with another doctor I was reading about.
All the books I have read have long since been returned to the library so I can't just go to the shelf and start saying read this by this person and this by that one.
I'm just telling you that there is enough information out there to prove it if your interested. It's not my intent to prove any thing other than what I have experienced.
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Re: I am now a vegetarian who is with ME??????? [Re: Pandor] 1
#581717 - 08/28/11 06:03 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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I could do the same thing. THIS is what you're not understanding. Look if veganism works for you that's great, but to make any definitive claim is shortsighted on your part. There's not enough data to conclude proof of anything. And as you even agreed with me above, there's really no way to scientifically test diet on health while ruling out all other factors. Yet you continue to express certainty in your proof. /thread.
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kickin-two-hundo said:
you know what i did in english class? I came to class stoned out of my mind every day, i chugged vodka in the back of class, i put dead fish in the ceiling tiles. i put a gallon of old milk and orange juice in the file cabinet before winter vacation. i brought snakes in a tied up sweater and let them loose during class. i didnt go to school to learn, i went because i had to. i didnt care, and i didn't fucking listen to that stupid bitch. and i still don't fucking care. i tore the pages out of her books and burned them, and threw away all the books in the class, two books per day.
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Re: I am now a vegetarian who is with ME??????? [Re: THEBats]
#581723 - 08/28/11 06:13 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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end the thread because you proved I am short sighted?
what about the simple fact that vegans have the longest life expectancy?
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Re: I am now a vegetarian who is with ME??????? [Re: Pandor] 1
#581725 - 08/28/11 06:15 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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No end thread because there's no further point to make that could possibly make you understand.
You still don't get it.
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kickin-two-hundo said:
you know what i did in english class? I came to class stoned out of my mind every day, i chugged vodka in the back of class, i put dead fish in the ceiling tiles. i put a gallon of old milk and orange juice in the file cabinet before winter vacation. i brought snakes in a tied up sweater and let them loose during class. i didnt go to school to learn, i went because i had to. i didnt care, and i didn't fucking listen to that stupid bitch. and i still don't fucking care. i tore the pages out of her books and burned them, and threw away all the books in the class, two books per day.
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Re: I am now a vegetarian who is with ME??????? [Re: SalviaNshrooms9090]
#581751 - 08/28/11 07:13 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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SalviaNshrooms9090 said:
1. vegetarians show lower risk of cancer, high blood pressure, stokes, kisney stones, colon cancer ouch, obesity, and ultimately live longer happier lives because we dont kill animals for food. On a side note did you know that humans are herbivores? YES! we are designed to be vegegtarians beacause oour intestines are long rather than short(like meat eaters) so when we eat meat it literally ROTS inside of us cuasing all kinds of bad health problems. PLUS think about it dude you eat meat your part of the chain that kills innocent animals. Im a buddhist and believe in karma.
You can't spell.
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SalviaNshrooms9090 said:
u cant smoke weed and claim to be peaceful and them eat meat that makes you a hypocrit
once again, can't spell.
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Re: I am now a vegetarian who is with ME??????? [Re: BlueBerry_Swisher]
#581765 - 08/28/11 07:48 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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By Dean Ornish "A 2006 study found that in people with type 2 diabetes, a low-fat vegan diet reduced weight, total cholesterol, and LDL cholesterol, and did so to a greater extent than the diet prescribed by the American Diabetes Association."
Also found in his study "The study also suggested that vegans in the UK may be at risk of iodine deficiency because of deficiencies in the soil"
and "comparing vegetarian and non-vegetarian mortality rates in Western countries found the mortality rate due to ischemic heart disease 26 percent lower among vegans compared to regular meat eaters (according to him this means people that eat meat every day), but 34 percent lower among lacto-ovo vegetarians (vegetarians who eat dairy products and eggs) and pescetarians (those who eat fish but no other meat)"
So far just about every study that says it's better to be vegan is because of lower Cholesterol and reduced weight. Not that the meat itself is bad.
Ok, this is getting just plain silly now. 
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Re: I am now a vegetarian who is with ME??????? [Re: 420smoker] 1
#581785 - 08/28/11 08:52 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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drink more water... kidney stones are caused by excess buildup of calcium deposits and the way to get rid of this problem is to drink plenty of water... google it.. if yoru urine isnt clear your not getting enough water. what you eat has NOTHING TO DO WITH kidney stones.... its what you drink.... not enough water but healthy diet otherwise still increases your chances.. be it vegan or meat eater.
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Re: I am now a vegetarian who is with ME??????? [Re: SalviaNshrooms9090]
#581787 - 08/28/11 08:54 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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Everyone should drink water every day.
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Re: I am now a vegetarian who is with ME??????? [Re: BlueBerry_Swisher]
#581793 - 08/28/11 09:03 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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all i am saying is since i went lacto vegetariann ive been looking better and feeling much better... my skin has gotten much much better no more acne baby!!!... the facts are there i think everyone should atleast try it and see if they like it... im sure you will... plus going vegetarian a couple days a week is a good way to start then build up... and yes my spellig is off i type 100x faster than any of you n im drunk what do you want from me lmfao? now if only i could stop drinking id be a health nut. also....
lacto vege vs vegan are you really sure vegan is better? milk is a great source of protien plus vitamins/calcium... it doesnt kil the animal so its good.
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Re: I am now a vegetarian who is with ME??????? [Re: SalviaNshrooms9090]
#581797 - 08/28/11 09:08 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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want omega 3? eat hemp seeds very rich in omega 3.. google it. lol YES HEMP SEEDS ARE SUPER HEALTHY PROTIEN PLUS OMEGA 3 + multiple other vitaminns.
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