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Americas health care dilema........solutions/suggestions????
#292462 - 10/05/09 07:34 PM (14 years, 5 months ago) |
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I have been reading up on why Americas system fails so badly when compared to other Western countries. In my opinion it all boils down to greed. For some reason we haven't socialized health care, and primarily I blame big pharm companies, however blame can easily be spread throughout our society. There is no debate that the American system is an example of what not to do.
So the question arises........What can be done, to make our system work better?
Since there is not one problem but many, I will start with the Big pharms.
1) All drugs approved by the FDA are patented. This allows them to charge what ever they want. Using R&D expenses as their excuse to keep these drugs at an unreasonable price. Allow patents to last for 5 years. Then the generic companies can produce it. If a drug is made that has more than one use then they can amend their patent for the new illness. When Wellbutrin first came out it was used as an anti-depressant. Allow them to have the name brand status when it is used for depression. After 5 years it goes to the generic form. When they discover that it also helps you quit smoking. Call it something different and allow a 5 year name brand tag on it for stopping smoking.
No advertising their wares in the media. Send information packets to the Doctors, and let them decide what drugs to be prescribed. Pharm companies can not give gifts of any kind to Doctors.
They can not spend money on politics.
2) Insurance companies have to cover anyone who applies, regardless of any pre-existing condition and they can't drop you. Yearly preventative visits to a Dr should be mandatory. No procedures will be denied. A second opinion can be sought, by an independent Dr, if desired.
They can not spend money on politics.
3) Prescription drug plans. If a drug has been approved by the FDA and the Dr says a patient needs it they get it. No questions asked. If it is a new 'Name Brand Drug' then they have to pay $20-50 for it, while generics go for $5-10.
4) Employers can not fire a person for missing 'too many days'. If they are under a Drs care and he deems it necessary for them to be off for a week, the employer can not hold it against the employee.
5) Doctors have to focus only on what is best for their patients. Let the people decide what doctors give the best care. The option for terminally ill patients to allow themselves a dignified suicide should be allowed.
6) A non-profit insurance company needs to be set up for those people who do not have insurance through their job. This will actually give the for-profit companies some competition.
7) People need to take a more active roll in staying healthy.
I know that this is not a perfect plan, but I do believe that it is a step in the right direction.
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Re: Americas health care dilema........solutions/suggestions???? [Re: niteowl]
#292481 - 10/05/09 07:53 PM (14 years, 5 months ago) |
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So are americans mad with power?
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Re: Americas health care dilema........solutions/suggestions???? [Re: niteowl]
#292493 - 10/05/09 08:08 PM (14 years, 5 months ago) |
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I really do not care. The job I get when I graduate will most likely give me awesome medical benefits.
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Re: Americas health care dilema........solutions/suggestions???? [Re: Tangerines]
#292499 - 10/05/09 08:15 PM (14 years, 5 months ago) |
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The system is fucked. I can't say that I know enough to say what the solution is. I am not in favor of a public option. I think that the government will fuck shit up, especially because of the extreme hostility towards it. One problem is because when you pay for insurance, you are paying for your doctor appointments. It should be that you use insurance for large medical procedures. You should pay to go to the doctor when you are sick, not just because your appointment paid for by the insurance company is going to expire.
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Re: Americas health care dilema........solutions/suggestions???? [Re: SmOakland]
#292587 - 10/05/09 10:07 PM (14 years, 5 months ago) |
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SmOakland said: The system is fucked. I can't say that I know enough to say what the solution is. I am not in favor of a public option.
Why not.
A non profit organization isn't necessarily ran by the government.
It would be a good idea because it would give the big insurance companies some healthy competition.
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One problem is because when you pay for insurance, you are paying for your doctor appointments. It should be that you use insurance for large medical procedures. You should pay to go to the doctor when you are sick, not just because your appointment paid for by the insurance company is going to expire.
That made absolutely NO sense to me.
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Re: Americas health care dilema........solutions/suggestions???? [Re: niteowl]
#292632 - 10/05/09 11:02 PM (14 years, 5 months ago) |
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A not for profit organization would be solid. I don't know how they could do that. It would have to be a huge scale business, it would be hard for it to be not for profit.
I don't know about your health insurance, but the one I used to have covers a certain number of doctor visits per year. This obviously leads to problems, the lest of which is inefficiency.
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Re: Americas health care dilema........solutions/suggestions???? [Re: SmOakland]
#292648 - 10/05/09 11:12 PM (14 years, 5 months ago) |
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Every insurance company I have had, I had a co-pay for my Dr visits. There were no limits on how many times you could see an MD but it would only pay for 8-9 visits to a Psychiatrist or therapist
I'm bi-polar so that is an issue for me.
At the moment I have no insurance. I recently was approved for disability (due to the bi-polar disorder) but I won't be eligible for Medicare/caid for 2 years. So I'm in a pickle till then.
Once you read/hear about how other countries handle their health care, America looks so fucking sad
Here you can loose your job if your get sick. People have had to file for bankruptcy over hospital bills
Something needs to be done, yet no one wants to talk about how to change our system for the better
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Re: Americas health care dilema........solutions/suggestions???? [Re: niteowl]
#292659 - 10/05/09 11:34 PM (14 years, 5 months ago) |
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Whatever I don't really want to argue about politics. Good luck on not getting diagnosed with anything while you do not have insurance.
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Re: Americas health care dilema........solutions/suggestions???? [Re: SmOakland]
#292681 - 10/05/09 11:52 PM (14 years, 5 months ago) |
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niteowl is just upset because he can't control his step-daughter and assault is a felony.
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Re: Americas health care dilema........solutions/suggestions???? [Re: MFDoom666]
#292700 - 10/06/09 12:04 AM (14 years, 5 months ago) |
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Re: Americas health care dilema........solutions/suggestions???? [Re: niteowl]
#292702 - 10/06/09 12:05 AM (14 years, 5 months ago) |
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just hangin' brah.
what's up?
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Re: Americas health care dilema........solutions/suggestions???? [Re: MFDoom666]
#292727 - 10/06/09 12:43 AM (14 years, 5 months ago) |
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FDA needs to be scrapped and replaced. Doctors need to be paid based on their ability to PREVENT illness rather than TREAT it. This is how it is in many European countries, like France for instance, but in the US doctors wait until we are sick and then make money treating the SYMPTOMS and not the cause of illness.
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Re: Americas health care dilema........solutions/suggestions???? [Re: MFDoom666]
#292806 - 10/06/09 09:38 AM (14 years, 5 months ago) |
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MFDoom666 said: niteowl is just upset because he can't control his step-daughter and assault is a felony.
-------------------- niteowl said: See, that term pedo gets thrown around a lot. Is a 16 year old guy having sex w/a 16 year old girl a pedophile? If not, then how is a 30 year old considered a pedophile for doing the same thing? I think y'all need to look up the definition for pedophile.
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Re: Americas health care dilema........solutions/suggestions???? [Re: still beLIEve]
#292897 - 10/06/09 02:52 PM (14 years, 5 months ago) |
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free drugs for everyone?
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Re: Americas health care dilema........solutions/suggestions???? [Re: Argos]
#293125 - 10/06/09 11:47 PM (14 years, 5 months ago) |
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yes plz
-------------------- niteowl said: See, that term pedo gets thrown around a lot. Is a 16 year old guy having sex w/a 16 year old girl a pedophile? If not, then how is a 30 year old considered a pedophile for doing the same thing? I think y'all need to look up the definition for pedophile.
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Re: Americas health care dilema........solutions/suggestions???? [Re: still beLIEve]
#293171 - 10/07/09 01:47 AM (14 years, 5 months ago) |
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IMHO .... I dont know what the fuck would work. But I think it is gross and sickening(no pun intended) how much some companies, people, stockholders, whatever, make on the "healthcare" industry. I know i sound like a "idealist" but what happened to people becoming doctors to help people? you know what i mean? I know everyone has to make a living, and what not. But fuck! It seems like everybody is out just to turn a profit, not to help people.
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Re: Americas health care dilema........solutions/suggestions???? [Re: jrjr54321]
#293232 - 10/07/09 08:35 AM (14 years, 5 months ago) |
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That is why profit needs to be taken out of the health care industry.
Being a Dr should be about helping people not looking for ways to milk them outta their cash
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Re: Americas health care dilema........solutions/suggestions???? [Re: niteowl]
#293241 - 10/07/09 09:43 AM (14 years, 5 months ago) |
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niteowl said: That is why profit needs to be taken out of the health care industry.
Being a Dr should be about helping people not looking for ways to milk them outta their cash
That is insane. Do you actually think that people my age will work their ass off in college, go to med school for 4 more years, and have a 2 year residency so that they can have some shitty job that won't even pay for their student loans? Being a doctor is one of the hardest jobs out there. They are always on call and have long ass shifts. Blaming doctors is totally wrong here. If you don't like your doctor, get a better one.
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Re: Americas health care dilema........solutions/suggestions???? [Re: SmOakland]
#293268 - 10/07/09 10:56 AM (14 years, 5 months ago) |
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When did I ever say that a Dr shouldn't make a fair salary
Insurance and Pharm companies are the biggest problem with the industry at the moment.
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Re: Americas health care dilema........solutions/suggestions???? [Re: niteowl]
#293331 - 10/07/09 02:45 PM (14 years, 5 months ago) |
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niteowl said:
Insurance and Pharm companies are the biggest problem with the industry at the moment.
This is true. Pharm companies pull some bullshit. I support them as little as possible. I disagree when you suggest that some doctors are "looking for ways to milk them outta their cash".
But enough argument about that. I wanna hear some solutions.
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Re: Americas health care dilema........solutions/suggestions???? [Re: niteowl]
#293349 - 10/07/09 03:37 PM (14 years, 5 months ago) |
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fuck governments
fuck socialized health care
free markets brah
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Re: Americas health care dilema........solutions/suggestions???? [Re: niteowl]
#293351 - 10/07/09 03:41 PM (14 years, 5 months ago) |
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niteowl said: I recently was approved for disability (due to the bi-polar disorder) but I won't be eligible for Medicare/caid for 2 years. So I'm in a pickle till then.
oh and i want my tax dollars back. get a job and stop exploiting others.
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Re: Americas health care dilema........solutions/suggestions???? [Re: SmOakland]
#293363 - 10/07/09 04:43 PM (14 years, 5 months ago) |
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SmOakland said:
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niteowl said:
Insurance and Pharm companies are the biggest problem with the industry at the moment.
This is true. Pharm companies pull some bullshit. I support them as little as possible. I disagree when you suggest that some doctors are "looking for ways to milk them outta their cash".
But enough argument about that. I wanna hear some solutions.
I offered some solutions.
And there are many doctors that work for insurance companies that do look for ways to prevent you from getting the help you need
A doctor should be paid based on the overall health of his patients as it is now they are rewarded for keeping their patients on pills
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usg543 said: fuck governments
fuck socialized health care
free markets brah
That's part of the problem now
Every nation that has national health care has BETTER overall health than the U.S. any nation that bankrupts it citizens because of hospital bills has a problem
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Re: Americas health care dilema........solutions/suggestions???? [Re: niteowl]
#293368 - 10/07/09 05:00 PM (14 years, 5 months ago) |
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you think the government can do a better job running nationalized health-care?
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Re: Americas health care dilema........solutions/suggestions???? [Re: usg543]
#293396 - 10/07/09 06:23 PM (14 years, 5 months ago) |
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WTF........ when did I ever say the government should run anything
Setting up a non-profit insurance company would go a long way to helping stimulate cheaper coverage
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Re: Americas health care dilema........solutions/suggestions???? [Re: niteowl]
#293481 - 10/07/09 09:03 PM (14 years, 5 months ago) |
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who is gonna set that up? if someone wanted to set that up they would. obviously it's a bad idea.
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Re: Americas health care dilema........solutions/suggestions???? [Re: usg543]
#293500 - 10/07/09 09:31 PM (14 years, 5 months ago) |
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I got one word for ya........
Lobbyist
the main reason the insurance companies don't want a public option it will cut into their profit margins
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Re: Americas health care dilema........solutions/suggestions???? [Re: SmOakland]
#293529 - 10/07/09 09:58 PM (14 years, 5 months ago) |
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Canadian health care is no better. Today my grand mother went to the hospital at 3pm with very bad stomach pains and guess fucking what, shes still there right now and its ticking on midnite. She hasnt even been looked at yet.
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Re: Americas health care dilema........solutions/suggestions???? [Re: Keith22]
#293547 - 10/07/09 10:22 PM (14 years, 5 months ago) |
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Same shit happens here man, except you'll get a big fat bill in a week over here.
How much will your grand mother pay for her visit to the ER?
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Re: Americas health care dilema........solutions/suggestions???? [Re: Keith22]
#293597 - 10/08/09 12:10 AM (14 years, 5 months ago) |
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don't listen to niteowl, he just wants more and more money from our government. where does that money come from? taxpayers. is niteowl a taxpayer? nope. he collects money from our government and does nothing in return. just complains and wants more money and more socialized programs. i think you shouldn't be allowed to vote unless you're a taxpayer. how about that.
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Re: Americas health care dilema........solutions/suggestions???? [Re: niteowl]
#293599 - 10/08/09 12:21 AM (14 years, 5 months ago) |
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niteowl said:
1) All drugs approved by the FDA are patented. This allows them to charge what ever they want. Using R&D expenses as their excuse to keep these drugs at an unreasonable price. Allow patents to last for 5 years. Then the generic companies can produce it. If a drug is made that has more than one use then they can amend their patent for the new illness. When Wellbutrin first came out it was used as an anti-depressant. Allow them to have the name brand status when it is used for depression. After 5 years it goes to the generic form. When they discover that it also helps you quit smoking. Call it something different and allow a 5 year name brand tag on it for stopping smoking.
No advertising their wares in the media. Send information packets to the Doctors, and let them decide what drugs to be prescribed. Pharm companies can not give gifts of any kind to Doctors.
They can not spend money on politics.
2) Insurance companies have to cover anyone who applies, regardless of any pre-existing condition and they can't drop you. Yearly preventative visits to a Dr should be mandatory. No procedures will be denied. A second opinion can be sought, by an independent Dr, if desired.
They can not spend money on politics.
3) Prescription drug plans. If a drug has been approved by the FDA and the Dr says a patient needs it they get it. No questions asked. If it is a new 'Name Brand Drug' then they have to pay $20-50 for it, while generics go for $5-10.
4) Employers can not fire a person for missing 'too many days'. If they are under a Drs care and he deems it necessary for them to be off for a week, the employer can not hold it against the employee.
5) Doctors have to focus only on what is best for their patients. Let the people decide what doctors give the best care. The option for terminally ill patients to allow themselves a dignified suicide should be allowed.
6) A non-profit insurance company needs to be set up for those people who do not have insurance through their job. This will actually give the for-profit companies some competition.
7) People need to take a more active roll in staying healthy.
I know that this is not a perfect plan, but I do believe that it is a step in the right direction.
1) if there's no profit incentive, those drugs would never be created. there are huge R&D costs associated with making drugs.
3) what are you retarded? see 1.
4) once again you are retarded. that's limiting freedom and flexibility. why do you think our economy is in such shambles? look at what a great job unions did for the auto-industry. take a basic business class.
5) that's what we have already. if you think your doctor is doing it for other reasons, go see another doctor. you pick your own doctor and that doctor says what the best treatment is for you. under obama's plans he limits doctors on what procedures and medications they can prescribe.
7) yes. you fat fucks need to start taking care of your body and mind.
yes there are huge problem. is a socialized health care the solution? absolutely not.
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Re: Americas health care dilema........solutions/suggestions???? [Re: usg543]
#293696 - 10/08/09 12:57 PM (14 years, 5 months ago) |
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usg543: I can't wait until one of those 47 million uninsured Americans gets some crazy disease that they won't get treated (for obvious reasons) and then we all fucking die. That's right: DIE. This isn't really even an issue just for the uninsured (I have great coverage right now through my wife's company) but is a public health issue. With so many people not going to the doctor when they are sick it is just a big set-up for an outbreak of god-knows-what. Having a public option that is set up efficiently and made to at least cover the basics is a step in the right direction. Having worked for McKesson Corp (look em up, as they are the US's biggest pharm distributor) I saw a lot of the wrongs in our health care system. Insurance companies don't hold up their end of the deal a lot of times if you get really sick (shit they have whole departments fo the company that look for ways to fuck us), pharm companies basically have run out of new drugs so they just sort of make it up as they go or make bad drugs (see Heparin a couple years ago that was killing people), and doctors are being paid off by most drug and insurance companies to treat symptoms and not core problems. Add to this the incredible amounts of $ the health care industry pays our politicians to push their policies and propaganda forward and you can kinda see the shit-storm we're in. What the American people need is some of our own lobbyists, but unfortunately with all the tax money we pay we don't get the same attention as corporations do. I love the thoguht of a free market, but in case you haven't noticed: for that to work we have to all start out on a level playing field; and that just obviously isn't the case right now.
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Re: Americas health care dilema........solutions/suggestions???? [Re: switchy85]
#293715 - 10/08/09 01:54 PM (14 years, 5 months ago) |
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switchy85 said: usg543: I can't wait until one of those 47 million uninsured Americans gets some crazy disease that they won't get treated (for obvious reasons) and then we all fucking die. That's right: DIE.
one can only hope it's you.
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Re: Americas health care dilema........solutions/suggestions???? [Re: usg543]
#293724 - 10/08/09 02:37 PM (14 years, 5 months ago) |
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*Sigh* I figured you were an idiot. Oh well, gotta live with em all, I guess.
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Re: Americas health care dilema........solutions/suggestions???? [Re: switchy85]
#293727 - 10/08/09 02:56 PM (14 years, 5 months ago) |
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don't be dissin' my homie.
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Re: Americas health care dilema........solutions/suggestions???? [Re: usg543]
#296004 - 10/12/09 03:44 PM (14 years, 5 months ago) |
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usg543 said: 1) if there's no profit incentive, those drugs would never be created. there are huge R&D costs associated with making drugs.
Do you understand what profit is? Profit is the money made after R&D, salaries and overhead expenses
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4) once again you are retarded. that's limiting freedom and flexibility. why do you think our economy is in such shambles? look at what a great job unions did for the auto-industry. take a basic business class.
How is allowing a person time off for an illness limiting freedom, talk about a fucking retard. And WTF does a union have to do with giving a person ample sick leave if they are injured
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5) that's what we have already. if you think your doctor is doing it for other reasons, go see another doctor. you pick your own doctor and that doctor says what the best treatment is for you. under obama's plans he limits doctors on what procedures and medications they can prescribe.
Yea, your a fucking idiot
Many people do NOT have the option to go to the doctor of their choice That is part of the problem now fool
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Re: Americas health care dilema........solutions/suggestions???? [Re: niteowl]
#296264 - 10/13/09 12:57 AM (14 years, 5 months ago) |
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usg543 said: 1) if there's no profit incentive, those drugs would never be created. there are huge R&D costs associated with making drugs.
Do you understand what profit is? Profit is the money made after R&D, salaries and overhead expenses :flowstone
i understand profit. i have a bachelors of science in business administration. there's a little something called risk vs return. R&D requires huge investments and big sunk costs. you think they are gonna make the drugs for nothing??? or to just break even?? hell no. good luck finding capital for that. that money could make more having it sit in the bank if you remove profit (time value of money). and if profit was removed or limited, it would slow down or even stop the creation and testing of new drugs. you also said charge $5 a script... what if the drugs cost more than that? you except them to eat the loss? what company would do that? end up like the auto industry and have the government bail them out and make the taxpayers foot the bill? because we all know how efficient the government is...
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Re: Americas health care dilema........solutions/suggestions???? [Re: niteowl]
#296270 - 10/13/09 01:07 AM (14 years, 5 months ago) |
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4) once again you are retarded. that's limiting freedom and flexibility. why do you think our economy is in such shambles? look at what a great job unions did for the auto-industry. take a basic business class.
How is allowing a person time off for an illness limiting freedom, talk about a fucking retard. And WTF does a union have to do with giving a person ample sick leave if they are injured
you said... "4) Employers can not fire a person for missing 'too many days'. If they are under a Drs care and he deems it necessary for them to be off for a week, the employer can not hold it against the employee. "
There are already laws the protect this, i think this would fall under disabilities and medical conditions, but i think what the law says is they cannot be fired unless it hinders their ability to perform their job. which i agree with that, however, the way you said it makes it sound like they can miss as many days as possible which to me sounds like it would hinder the performance in their jobs. so you except the company to pay them for work they didn't do? or maybe you don't.
but if you understood a basic business class you'd realize that this is INEFFICIENT. it's costly for companies, which could cause the company to fail ultimately. if you understood anything about that you'd realize my reference to UNIONS which is the reason the FED had to bailout our auto industry (they didn't HAVE to they SHOULDNT HAVE). because these unions made it too costly to do business...
you have to realize, we live in a global market place. we have to remain competitive. even though your ideas and unions are in good spirits... ultimately they are bad for our country as a whole. i'm not going to even explain this any further because i think you're too ignorant to understand.
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Re: Americas health care dilema........solutions/suggestions???? [Re: usg543]
#296273 - 10/13/09 01:14 AM (14 years, 5 months ago) |
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5) that's what we have already. if you think your doctor is doing it for other reasons, go see another doctor. you pick your own doctor and that doctor says what the best treatment is for you. under obama's plans he limits doctors on what procedures and medications they can prescribe.
Yea, your a fucking idiot
Many people do NOT have the option to go to the doctor of their choice That is part of the problem now fool
i've never been to a doctor i didn't want to see. no one has ever told me i have to go to THIS doctor. now doctors don't accept all types of insurance. if you wanna go do one that's not on your insurance, pay it out of pocket or get new fucking insurance. how hard is that??
oh and just so you know, i don't have insurance, i don't go to the doctor because it costs money (just free ones), but i have no problem with this. i can support myself i don't need a handout from the government. stop being a lazy bum and stop asking for handouts.
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Re: Americas health care dilema........solutions/suggestions???? [Re: usg543]
#296511 - 10/13/09 10:35 AM (14 years, 5 months ago) |
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usg- I agree with your politics but not your priorities. Get insured!
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Re: Americas health care dilema........solutions/suggestions???? [Re: SmOakland]
#296520 - 10/13/09 10:46 AM (14 years, 5 months ago) |
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Im 12 what is this?
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Re: Americas health care dilema........solutions/suggestions???? [Re: SmOakland]
#296652 - 10/13/09 05:56 PM (14 years, 5 months ago) |
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SmOakland said: usg- I agree with your politics but not your priorities. Get insured!
i'm young and hopefully will have a full time job soon with benefits. right now i'm just working part time until i find a good job. even coming out of school with a degree times are hard.
if i develop some serious illness and decide i need medical treatment, i'll just move to canada
funny thing is i'm actually going thursday to get tested for STDs and it only costs like $10. could go to a free place but some girl i know is taking me
don't think i have anything but i wanna get tested anyways because the last girl i was with was super slutty and i didn't use a rubber getting old enough where i need to just settle down and get a girlfriend anyways.
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