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Americas health care dilema........solutions/suggestions????
    #292462 - 10/05/09 09:34 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

I have been reading up on why Americas system fails so badly when compared to other Western countries. In my opinion it all boils down to greed. For some reason we haven't socialized health care, and primarily I blame big pharm companies, however blame can easily be spread throughout our society. There is no debate that the American system is an example of what not to do.

So the question arises........What can be done, to make our system work better?

Since there is not one problem but many, I will start with the Big pharms.

1) All drugs approved by the FDA are patented. This allows them to charge what ever they want. Using R&D expenses as their excuse to keep these drugs at an unreasonable price. Allow patents to last for 5 years. Then the generic companies can produce it. If a drug is made that has more than one use then they can amend their patent for the new illness. When Wellbutrin first came out it was used as an anti-depressant. Allow them to have the name brand status when it is used for depression. After 5 years it goes to the generic form. When they discover that it also helps you quit smoking. Call it something different and allow a 5 year name brand tag on it for stopping smoking.

No advertising their wares in the media. Send information packets to the Doctors, and let them decide what drugs to be prescribed. Pharm companies can not give gifts of any kind to Doctors.

They can not spend money on politics.

2) Insurance companies have to cover anyone who applies, regardless of any pre-existing condition and they can't drop you. Yearly preventative visits to a Dr should be mandatory. No procedures will be denied. A second opinion can be sought, by an independent Dr, if desired.

They can not spend money on politics.

3) Prescription drug plans. If a drug has been approved by the FDA and the Dr says a patient needs it they get it. No questions asked. If it is a new 'Name Brand Drug' then they have to pay $20-50 for it, while generics go for $5-10.

4) Employers can not fire a person for missing 'too many days'. If they are under a Drs care and he deems it necessary for them to be off for a week, the employer can not hold it against the employee.

5) Doctors have to focus only on what is best for their patients. Let the people decide what doctors give the best care. The option for terminally ill patients to allow themselves a dignified suicide should be allowed.

6) A non-profit insurance company needs to be set up for those people who do not have insurance through their job. This will actually give the for-profit companies some competition.

7) People need to take a more active roll in staying healthy.

I know that this is not a perfect plan, but I do believe that it is a step in the right direction.


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Re: Americas health care dilema........solutions/suggestions???? [Re: niteowl]
    #292481 - 10/05/09 09:53 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

So are americans mad with power?  :apestheclown:


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Re: Americas health care dilema........solutions/suggestions???? [Re: niteowl]
    #292493 - 10/05/09 10:08 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

I really do not care.  The job I get when I graduate will most likely give me awesome medical benefits.


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Re: Americas health care dilema........solutions/suggestions???? [Re: Tangerines]
    #292499 - 10/05/09 10:15 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

The system is fucked.  I can't say that I know enough to say what the solution is.  I am not in favor of a public option.  I think that the government will fuck shit up, especially because of the extreme hostility towards it.  One problem is because when you pay for insurance, you are paying for your doctor appointments.  It should be that you use insurance for large medical procedures.  You should pay to go to the doctor when you are sick, not just because your appointment paid for by the insurance company is going to expire.


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Re: Americas health care dilema........solutions/suggestions???? [Re: SmOakland]
    #292587 - 10/06/09 12:07 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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The system is fucked.  I can't say that I know enough to say what the solution is.  I am not in favor of a public option.




Why not.

A non profit organization isn't necessarily ran by the government.

It would be a good idea because it would give the big insurance companies some healthy competition.


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One problem is because when you pay for insurance, you are paying for your doctor appointments.  It should be that you use insurance for large medical procedures.  You should pay to go to the doctor when you are sick, not just because your appointment paid for by the insurance company is going to expire.




:dudewtf:

That made absolutely NO sense to me.


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Re: Americas health care dilema........solutions/suggestions???? [Re: niteowl]
    #292632 - 10/06/09 01:02 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

A not for profit organization would be solid.  I don't know how they could do that.  It would have to be a huge scale business, it would be hard for it to be not for profit.

I don't know about your health insurance, but the one I used to have covers a certain number of doctor visits per year.  This obviously leads to problems, the lest of which is inefficiency.


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Re: Americas health care dilema........solutions/suggestions???? [Re: SmOakland]
    #292648 - 10/06/09 01:12 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Every insurance company I have had, I had a co-pay for my Dr visits.
There were no limits on how many times you could see an MD
but it would only pay for 8-9 visits to a Psychiatrist or therapist

I'm bi-polar so that is an issue for me.

At the moment I have no insurance. I recently was approved for disability (due to the bi-polar disorder) but I won't be eligible for Medicare/caid for 2 years. So I'm in a pickle till then.

Once you read/hear about how other countries handle their health care, America looks so fucking sad :sad:

Here you can loose your job if your get sick.
People have had to file for bankruptcy over hospital bills

Something needs to be done, yet no one wants to talk about how to change our system for the better :shake:


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Re: Americas health care dilema........solutions/suggestions???? [Re: niteowl]
    #292659 - 10/06/09 01:34 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Whatever I don't really want to argue about politics.  Good luck on not getting diagnosed with anything while you do not have insurance.


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Re: Americas health care dilema........solutions/suggestions???? [Re: SmOakland]
    #292681 - 10/06/09 01:52 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

niteowl is just upset because he can't control his step-daughter and assault is a felony.


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They should teach african engineering at the college level.  mcgyver 101

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Re: Americas health care dilema........solutions/suggestions???? [Re: MFDoom666]
    #292700 - 10/06/09 02:04 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

:dudewtf:


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Re: Americas health care dilema........solutions/suggestions???? [Re: niteowl]
    #292702 - 10/06/09 02:05 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

just hangin' brah.

what's up?


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They should teach african engineering at the college level.  mcgyver 101

Harry_Ba11sach said:

Has anyone really been far even as decided to use even go want to do look more like?


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Re: Americas health care dilema........solutions/suggestions???? [Re: MFDoom666]
    #292727 - 10/06/09 02:43 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

FDA needs to be scrapped and replaced.
Doctors need to be paid based on their ability to PREVENT illness rather than TREAT it.
This is how it is in many European countries, like France for instance, but in the US doctors wait until we are sick and then make money treating the SYMPTOMS and not the cause of illness.


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Re: Americas health care dilema........solutions/suggestions???? [Re: MFDoom666]
    #292806 - 10/06/09 11:38 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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niteowl is just upset because he can't control his step-daughter and assault is a felony.





:ilold:


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niteowl said:
See, that term pedo gets thrown around a lot.
Is a 16 year old guy having sex w/a 16 year old girl a pedophile?
If not, then how is a 30 year old considered a pedophile for doing the same thing?
I think y'all need to look up the definition for pedophile.


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Re: Americas health care dilema........solutions/suggestions???? [Re: still beLIEve]
    #292897 - 10/06/09 04:52 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

free drugs for everyone?


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Re: Americas health care dilema........solutions/suggestions???? [Re: Argos]
    #293125 - 10/07/09 01:47 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

yes plz


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See, that term pedo gets thrown around a lot.
Is a 16 year old guy having sex w/a 16 year old girl a pedophile?
If not, then how is a 30 year old considered a pedophile for doing the same thing?
I think y'all need to look up the definition for pedophile.


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Re: Americas health care dilema........solutions/suggestions???? [Re: still beLIEve]
    #293171 - 10/07/09 03:47 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

IMHO .... I dont know what the fuck would work. But I think it is gross and sickening(no pun intended) how much some companies, people, stockholders, whatever, make on the "healthcare" industry. I know i sound like a "idealist" but what happened to people becoming doctors to help people? you know what i mean? I know everyone has to make a living, and what not. But fuck! It seems like everybody is out just to turn a profit, not to help people.


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Re: Americas health care dilema........solutions/suggestions???? [Re: jrjr54321]
    #293232 - 10/07/09 10:35 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

That is why profit needs to be taken out of the health care industry.

Being a Dr should be about helping people not looking for ways to milk them outta their cash


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Re: Americas health care dilema........solutions/suggestions???? [Re: niteowl]
    #293241 - 10/07/09 11:43 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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That is why profit needs to be taken out of the health care industry.

Being a Dr should be about helping people not looking for ways to milk them outta their cash




That is insane.  Do you actually think that people my age will work their ass off in college, go to med school for 4 more years, and have a 2 year residency so that they can have some shitty job that won't even pay for their student loans?  Being a doctor is one of the hardest jobs out there.  They are always on call and have long ass shifts.  Blaming doctors is totally wrong here.  If you don't like your doctor, get a better one.


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Re: Americas health care dilema........solutions/suggestions???? [Re: SmOakland]
    #293268 - 10/07/09 12:56 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

When did I ever say that a Dr shouldn't make a fair salary :imslow:

Insurance and Pharm companies are the biggest problem with the industry at the moment.


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Re: Americas health care dilema........solutions/suggestions???? [Re: niteowl]
    #293331 - 10/07/09 04:45 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

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Insurance and Pharm companies are the biggest problem with the industry at the moment.




This is true.  Pharm companies pull some bullshit.  I support them as little as possible.  I disagree when you suggest that some doctors are "looking for ways to milk them outta their cash".

But enough argument about that. I wanna hear some solutions.


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