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Home-Made Mix VS Bottled Fertilizers (ORGANIC)
    #680527 - 08/05/13 05:11 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

I'm growing on 5 pots. 1 with a homemade soil mix. 1 with bottled fertilizers in a coco/sand medium. 1 with both. Also, in small cups... 1 with the homemade mix + azomite, one without the azomite.

So I need to know what you guys think. I want to grow 5 plants in 5 pots, how do I sow seeds in 5 pots so that I get females? Do I put 2 seeds in each pot, or 3?

Anyway, here's the final mix I used for the home-made mix pots.

MEDIUM 40%
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Coco Coir 100%


COMPOST 40%
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Worm Castings 50%*
Dirts 15% 
Coffee Grounds 10%
Cow Manure 15%
Composted Banana peels 5%
Kitchen Compost Tea 5% (liquid)
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MINERALS & Drainage 20%
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Powdered Eggshells 25%
Volcanic Sand 25%
River sand 37%
Wood Ash 10%
Epsom Salts 1%
Sea Sand 2%
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I then mulched with some leaves I picked around the house. I also fertilized the coco pot and the mixed pot with big bloom and buddha grow to test against my home made mix. I'm also comparing 2 mixes to test the benefits of azomite. Fertilizing with Buddha grow was hell, I shook the bottle and the shit exploded when I opened it! I'm now giving it 3 weeks to cook, I will sow some mango/raspberry landrace bagseeds on the 12th. Here's some pics of me mixing the mix.



































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Re: Home-Made Mix VS Bottled Fertilizers [Re: taozen]
    #680534 - 08/05/13 06:54 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

:popcorn:


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Re: Home-Made Mix VS Bottled Fertilizers [Re: TomCollins]
    #680859 - 08/08/13 06:30 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

So what do you guys say? sow 1 seed on each pot and delay the comparisons if a male pops up. Or sow 2 seeds on each pot to have probably at least 1 fem on each pot?


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Re: Home-Made Mix VS Bottled Fertilizers [Re: taozen]
    #680911 - 08/09/13 05:18 AM (3 years, 3 months ago)

Just drop one seed in each pot. Or start them all in small containers and plant them seperately.

Goodluck:thumbup:

:peace:


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Re: Home-Made Mix VS Bottled Fertilizers [Re: signeg]
    #680933 - 08/09/13 12:04 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

well if u want 100% chance of females ..either get clones or fem seeds.


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Re: Home-Made Mix VS Bottled Fertilizers [Re: Mrshroom]
    #681570 - 08/14/13 09:52 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

So I sowed the seeds but I found some earthworms and I decided to chuck them in just for an extra bit of luck. It's now up to the seeds to do their magic.





















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Re: Home-Made Mix VS Bottled Fertilizers [Re: taozen]
    #681660 - 08/16/13 03:28 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

So I've been seeing these tiny insects flapping around on the surface when I uncover the plastic. I've seen them all the time everytime I put plastic over a pot, they obviously like humidity. They are about 2mm long. Are they a pest to worry about?







Mating


Next to a tiny ant.




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Re: Home-Made Mix VS Bottled Fertilizers [Re: taozen]
    #681687 - 08/17/13 04:39 AM (3 years, 3 months ago)

:thumbup: for the worms! I did the same with my plants! The worms eat the rest of the nutes and u end up with natural worm muck :smile:

Do you know if this ant also lays eggs in the soil?
At the beginning of my grow I also had a lot of movement on my soil..


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Re: Home-Made Mix VS Bottled Fertilizers [Re: taozen]
    #681695 - 08/17/13 01:21 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

Those kinda look like fungus gnats. Your soil is staying too moist with that plastic wrap over them, you gotta let it air out a bit.


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Re: Home-Made Mix VS Bottled Fertilizers [Re: Mycophile]
    #682449 - 08/22/13 12:58 AM (3 years, 3 months ago)

So I'm sad to say those were indeed fungus gnats whose larvae ate half of the seeds, the other half was replanted into a recovery pot. I waited almost a week for the germinations to find out.

Anyway, I will try again, fortunately I still had seeds from the same batch altought they we not the best seeds :frown: Before planting them I used the hidrogen peroxide technicque to kill the larvae (1:5 3%HP to water) then I used the sand over the surface to prevent any further infestation and gave it a few hours while I soaked the seeds before planting them.

I still see some fungus gnats but they do seem confused about the sand, hopefuly the HP took care of the larvae and these are just the ones that were wondering around the room.

Fingers crossed for attemp #2...









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Re: Home-Made Mix VS Bottled Fertilizers [Re: taozen]
    #685333 - 09/15/13 09:06 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

So the grow is finally up and running. I had troubles with fungus gnats and germinations but finally found a bulletproof method. The only drawback is that the plants are of different ages now, 1 is 3 weeks old in a cup, 3 are 2 weeks old including one which had some problems with the leaves, probably related to the gnat attack, that soon resolved but will take longer to veg, and one I just germinated a couple days ago into the other cup. they look green and healthy to me, and are growing quite fast :smile: I have a couple questions...









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Re: Home-Made Mix VS Bottled Fertilizers [Re: taozen]
    #685687 - 09/19/13 05:00 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

Given that I won't transplant the plants into bigger pots, as I want to keep them small and rootbound, when should I induce flowering so that the plants use the size of the pot the most efficiently?

Meaning they won't either be too small or too rootbound at the end of the grow. 













Also, I have been fertilizing 2 of these but they are not getting any greener so maybe the solution is too weak and they need a stronger dose.

How long does it take to see the effects of organic liquid fertilizers?


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Re: Home-Made Mix VS Bottled Fertilizers [Re: taozen]
    #687648 - 10/05/13 02:21 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

Update... They are a few days into flowering now. One of the plants is kind of stunted and looks a lighter green than the rest, (the small one on one of the galon pots) so I'm wondering if I should give it a more concentrated dose of fertilizer or just give it time? Could it be that it's just naturally lighter even if I took it out of the same bag of buds?









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Re: Home-Made Mix VS Bottled Fertilizers [Re: taozen]
    #687651 - 10/05/13 07:24 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

Those will produce practically nothing if you flower them now.


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Re: Home-Made Mix VS Bottled Fertilizers [Re: Mycophile]
    #687688 - 10/05/13 09:39 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

Mycophile said:
Those will produce practically nothing if you flower them now.




I don't think that's correct. You can pull a lot of weight off a plant with very little vegetation period, but it depends, of course, on other things. Some people flower from seed and pull off impressive yields.


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Re: Home-Made Mix VS Bottled Fertilizers [Re: TomCollins]
    #687704 - 10/05/13 12:37 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

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Quote:

Mycophile said:
Those will produce practically nothing if you flower them now.




I don't think that's correct. You can pull a lot of weight off a plant with very little vegetation period, but it depends, of course, on other things. Some people flower from seed and pull off impressive yields.




I promise it's correct. Yes some people can pull a lot in short periods, but these won't. They aren't going to magically produce some surprising amount, I can see every single node on each one of those plants.

I bet OP doesn't get more than an 8th off those at that size.


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Re: Home-Made Mix VS Bottled Fertilizers [Re: Mycophile]
    #687713 - 10/05/13 02:04 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

Mycophile said:
Quote:

DonkeyDong69 said:
Quote:

Mycophile said:
Those will produce practically nothing if you flower them now.




I don't think that's correct. You can pull a lot of weight off a plant with very little vegetation period, but it depends, of course, on other things. Some people flower from seed and pull off impressive yields.




I promise it's correct. Yes some people can pull a lot in short periods, but these won't. They aren't going to magically produce some surprising amount, I can see every single node on each one of those plants.

I bet OP doesn't get more than an 8th off those at that size.




Well, if you read the thread I don't have any intentions of getting 10 pounds. It's something I want to do given that unfortunately I have to hide them. I love cannabis as a plant so I love growing them even if they don't yield much. Atleast it will be a much better product than I can get on the streets, that I've proven before. Anyway, the ones in the cups are almost purely there for experimental purposes, I will only transplant if I get a male.

I don't know really I was hoping I could get an ounce out of all of these but I'm no expert, we'll see what we yield but I wouldnt be surprised if it's nothing but an 8th as you say.


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Re: Home-Made Mix VS Bottled Fertilizers [Re: Mycophile]
    #687779 - 10/06/13 03:47 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

Mycophile said:
I promise it's correct. Yes some people can pull a lot in short periods, but these won't. They aren't going to magically produce some surprising amount, I can see every single node on each one of those plants.

I bet OP doesn't get more than an 8th off those at that size.




I'll take you up on that bet. I bet he'll yield more than 3.5g (1/8th of an oz). If you look at his pictures closely one of his plants looks to be a meter tall and they're only a few days into flowering which means there is still 3 weeks or so of fast growing left, provided the plants have the space to do so. His plants also look beautifully healthy, which I think is a better indicator of his potential yield, than the number of nodes on his plants at this point in the grow...

:2cents:


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Re: Home-Made Mix VS Bottled Fertilizers [Re: TomCollins]
    #687826 - 10/06/13 09:18 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

DonkeyDong69 said:
Quote:

Mycophile said:
I promise it's correct. Yes some people can pull a lot in short periods, but these won't. They aren't going to magically produce some surprising amount, I can see every single node on each one of those plants.

I bet OP doesn't get more than an 8th off those at that size.




I'll take you up on that bet. I bet he'll yield more than 3.5g (1/8th of an oz). If you look at his pictures closely one of his plants looks to be a meter tall and they're only a few days into flowering which means there is still 3 weeks or so of fast growing left, provided the plants have the space to do so. His plants also look beautifully healthy, which I think is a better indicator of his potential yield, than the number of nodes on his plants at this point in the grow...

:2cents:




I really appreciate your enthusiasm but the thing is I won't transplant them, they will stay in the galon pots till the end. I need to keep them small. The tallest one is about 17 inches from the base of the stem and they all seem to be done with the rapid growth phase. Let's see what happens.


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Re: Home-Made Mix VS Bottled Fertilizers [Re: taozen]
    #687912 - 10/07/13 08:26 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

The lateral branches don't seem to have branched out very much,

You could try topping them next time if you wanted to keep them shorter and possibly harvest a little more.


Edited by signeg (10/11/13 10:13 PM)


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