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The Official "USA is fucked. The economy is tanking" Thread!
    #576788 - 08/05/11 09:11 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

This shit isn't good with the credit rating. The markets were terrible yesterday already (hey I wonder if they got tipped off?) and with that credit rating downgrade, it's likely to take the whole economy with it.

Obama can't get his ass in line because he the democrats don't have balls and the republicans are fucking rich bitches.

Shit's going to get real crazy pretty soon, especially if the republicans hold out until everyone is jobless and pissed off.

All of north America and most of Europe is fucked now.

I'm fucking pissed off for one. Lets discuss this!

I blame:
- Fox news (49% of American news viewership) and News Corp for preying on naive Christians
- The Republican Party, for screwing the bottom 99% by giving tax cuts to the rich and cutting social programs to pay for it. And for continually holding the American economy hostage to accomplish these goals.
- various others.

:kingcrankey:

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Re: The Official "USA is fucked. The economy is tanking" Thread! [Re: HippoSex]
    #576789 - 08/05/11 09:13 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

The US gov borrows 43 cents on every dollar they spend. A bump from a 3% rate to a 3.75 rate would make shit a lot more expensive. And it would cause a lot of home owners to default on their loans, lose their house, etc, and the down economy will mean less taxes are recieved by the gov, necessitating further cuts, and on and on and we're fucked.

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Re: The Official "USA is fucked. The economy is tanking" Thread! [Re: HippoSex]
    #576790 - 08/05/11 09:20 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

I blame Stephen Harper


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Re: The Official "USA is fucked. The economy is tanking" Thread! [Re: HippoSex] * 1
    #576791 - 08/05/11 09:25 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

I'll just say this, don't attempt to discuss what you know little to nothing about.

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Re: The Official "USA is fucked. The economy is tanking" Thread! [Re: Manitou]
    #576792 - 08/05/11 09:28 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

God damn I hate that piece of shit.

watch this video of him that just got leaked. Those fuckers are pretty damn happy for having just cut tens of thousands of public sector jobs.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5bwsNa7RJvU

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Re: The Official "USA is fucked. The economy is tanking" Thread! [Re: DungenessDank]
    #576793 - 08/05/11 09:28 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

Quote:

DungenessDank said:
I'll just say this, don't attempt to discuss what you know little to nothing about.



:congrats:


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Re: The Official "USA is fucked. The economy is tanking" Thread! [Re: DungenessDank]
    #576794 - 08/05/11 09:29 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

Quote:

DungenessDank said:
I'll just say this, don't attempt to discuss what you know little to nothing about.




Lets get started bitch. You republican? Put your cards on the table.

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Re: The Official "USA is fucked. The economy is tanking" Thread! [Re: HippoSex]
    #576795 - 08/05/11 09:32 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

:popcorn:


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Re: The Official "USA is fucked. The economy is tanking" Thread! [Re: DungenessDank]
    #576796 - 08/05/11 09:33 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

Quote:

DungenessDank said:
I'll just say this, don't attempt to discuss what you know little to nothing about.



Burnt.


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Re: The Official "USA is fucked. The economy is tanking" Thread! [Re: HippoSex]
    #576797 - 08/05/11 09:37 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

meh.

it's not like I'm upset about it.

It has been a long time coming and I welcome it because I wishingly believe that it will bring on social change.

Even these last couple weeks have opened a lot of people's eyes to the amount of corruption that exists within our government, in the form of special interests/class warefare.

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Re: The Official "USA is fucked. The economy is tanking" Thread! [Re: HippoSex]
    #576800 - 08/05/11 09:51 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

Class warfare is nothing but a distraction like the rest of our political discourse.

I'm not a republican, but I'm sure as hell not a democrat/socialist/Marxist utopian.

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Re: The Official "USA is fucked. The economy is tanking" Thread! [Re: DungenessDank]
    #576802 - 08/05/11 09:55 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

Yeah. The real problems are athiests/muslims/liberals/socialists/minorities/spending/birth control/abortions/public healthcare/social security/food stamps/corporate taxes/corporate regulations/minimum wage/obama's birth certificate, etc.

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Re: The Official "USA is fucked. The economy is tanking" Thread! [Re: HippoSex]
    #576805 - 08/05/11 10:05 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

i just know shit is pretty fucked.

thats about all i know about it.

im ready for shit to get wild, and priorities to get shifted.


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Re: The Official "USA is fucked. The economy is tanking" Thread! [Re: HippoSex]
    #576806 - 08/05/11 10:05 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

Typical liberal response. Create a strawman instead of addressing the issues with logic.

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Re: The Official "USA is fucked. The economy is tanking" Thread! [Re: DungenessDank]
    #576810 - 08/05/11 10:15 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

Quote:

still beLIEve said:
im ready for shit to get wild, and priorities to get shifted.




Exactly my feeling towards this situation
Quote:



DungenessDank said:
Typical liberal response. Create a strawman instead of addressing the issues with logic.



What straw man? Make an arguement. State your case.

Question: Do you watch fox news?

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Re: The Official "USA is fucked. The economy is tanking" Thread! [Re: HippoSex]
    #576813 - 08/05/11 10:28 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

Only to laugh at the absurdity of its existence.

Do you think 51% of people have the right to take the property of the other 49% without their consent?

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Re: The Official "USA is fucked. The economy is tanking" Thread! [Re: DungenessDank]
    #576819 - 08/05/11 10:56 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

Quote:

DungenessDank said:
Only to laugh at the absurdity of its existence.

Do you think 51% of people have the right to take the property of the other 49% without their consent?




Ehh... that's an argument straight from Fox News.

Increase taxes on the poor. Great answer, idiot. Just because they don't pay federal income taxes doesn't mean they aren't taxed.

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Re: The Official "USA is fucked. The economy is tanking" Thread! [Re: HippoSex] * 1
    #576821 - 08/05/11 10:58 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

Guys why so much hate ... you all can have a discussion without insulting the others ... it's getting kinda childish tbh ... :bubbles:


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Re: The Official "USA is fucked. The economy is tanking" Thread! [Re: HippoSex]
    #576823 - 08/05/11 11:04 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

You can't get out of a recession by only increasing taxes on the poor.

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Re: The Official "USA is fucked. The economy is tanking" Thread! [Re: HippoSex]
    #576824 - 08/05/11 11:10 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

You can't get out of a recession by taxing at all. The government has repeatedly tried to inflate their way out of it to no avail, inflation itself being a tax on savings.

They will keep using the same shitty economic policy that only delays our economic woes and helps funds 5 simultaneous military conflicts.

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Re: The Official "USA is fucked. The economy is tanking" Thread! [Re: HippoSex]
    #576826 - 08/05/11 11:18 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

If the government cuts social programs, that is a tax on the poor.

Well, I'm not arguing that if we take the democratic way, we won't be fucked economically. We may very well be. However, we're most likely fucked economically either way, so I'd rather stimulate the economy by building on medical care and infrastructure than by siphoning money off to the Republican campaign contributors through more war in the middle east and defense / prison spending.

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Re: The Official "USA is fucked. The economy is tanking" Thread! [Re: HippoSex]
    #576829 - 08/05/11 11:29 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

Ohhhh shiiiit...

I just realized that the announcement that the rating was changed came several hours after the NYSE closed. Ha, I bet all that selling in the last two days was due to insider trading.

The markets still haven't reacted to the downgrade, and they won't until Monday in Tokyo.

We could potentially see a black monday.

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Re: The Official "USA is fucked. The economy is tanking" Thread! [Re: HippoSex] * 1
    #576840 - 08/06/11 12:21 AM (12 years, 6 months ago)

I blame Ronald Reagen.

Started to fix the debt then made the war on drugs more important.


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Re: The Official "USA is fucked. The economy is tanking" Thread! [Re: KaptKid]
    #576853 - 08/06/11 01:59 AM (12 years, 6 months ago)

FUCK THE LEFT AND THE RIGHT

Its all fucking distraction!!!

RON PAUL NIGGAS
:ronpaul:

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Re: The Official "USA is fucked. The economy is tanking" Thread! [Re: DungenessDank] * 1
    #576855 - 08/06/11 03:02 AM (12 years, 6 months ago)

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I'll just say this:





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Re: The Official "USA is fucked. The economy is tanking" Thread! [Re: HippoSex]
    #576874 - 08/06/11 07:55 AM (12 years, 6 months ago)

Quote:

HippoSex said:
If the government cuts social programs, that is a tax on the poor.

Well, I'm not arguing that if we take the democratic way, we won't be fucked economically. We may very well be. However, we're most likely fucked economically either way, so I'd rather stimulate the economy by building on medical care and infrastructure than by siphoning money off to the Republican campaign contributors through more war in the middle east and defense / prison spending.




Republicans are cunts for sure, but anyone who tries to tell you Democrats aren't just as guilty is biased in their conclusion. They receive just as much corporate donations, while pandering to union bosses for their donations.

I've seen some people say they expect to see the dow jones down 10% on monday.

Also, Reagan was a hypocrite.

Ron Paul 2012.

Cannalize Legabis.

Edited by DungenessDank (08/06/11 08:43 AM)

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Re: The Official "USA is fucked. The economy is tanking" Thread! [Re: DungenessDank]
    #576880 - 08/06/11 08:40 AM (12 years, 6 months ago)

Fuck the system I don't need it.

I'll gladly live like a hobo off the land as long as I have a roof over my head :shrug:


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Re: The Official "USA is fucked. The economy is tanking" Thread! [Re: RasJeph]
    #576881 - 08/06/11 08:46 AM (12 years, 6 months ago)

That is as good a solution as any. I try to keep up with the shit-storm in DC, but what I'd really love to see is it all going down.

I'm ready to establish a voluntary society based on economic and social liberty.

Whenever the rest of you guys are done trying to fix the inherently corrupt idea of government rule.

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Re: The Official "USA is fucked. The economy is tanking" Thread! [Re: DungenessDank]
    #576896 - 08/06/11 10:05 AM (12 years, 6 months ago)

Isn't it exciting?

As for the democratic party...yes, they are also guilty. But not "equally guilty".

As for Ron Paul... My suspicion is that he is a ploy by the Republican Party to attract swing votes from libertarians and youth. I would not vote for him because of his party (the Republican Party) and because I do not agree with many of his opinions. For example, I think US policies should promote liberty nationally, and not allowing individual states to decide how much liberty they afford to their constituents. And I support social programs and programs for the poor, which require taxes. And I do not believe corporations do a good job of regulating the markets they have monopolies on.

He's also one of the "all cuts, debt ceiling standoff" guys and he is adamantly against ending the Bush era tax cuts to reduce the deficit.

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Re: The Official "USA is fucked. The economy is tanking" Thread! [Re: HippoSex]
    #576899 - 08/06/11 10:08 AM (12 years, 6 months ago)

Am I the only one who thinks that talking about politics and economics and all that shit is boring as fuck :yawn:


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Re: The Official "USA is fucked. The economy is tanking" Thread! [Re: HippoSex]
    #576903 - 08/06/11 10:13 AM (12 years, 6 months ago)

It matters, bro.:jah:

There could potentially be a lot more dr00gz and a lot less piggies in our future. Or a lot more of both and less social spending. We'll see!

People are getting informed. TIMES ARE CHANGING!

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Re: The Official "USA is fucked. The economy is tanking" Thread! [Re: HippoSex]
    #576905 - 08/06/11 10:17 AM (12 years, 6 months ago)

I think Obama is scared of becoming the next Clinton (impeached) or JFK though.

lets hope he grows some balls {and doesn't get assassinated!)

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Re: The Official "USA is fucked. The economy is tanking" Thread! [Re: HippoSex]
    #576907 - 08/06/11 10:21 AM (12 years, 6 months ago)

You're characterization of Ron Paul is common, but incorrect.

The established republican party doesn't want Ron Paul as their nominee because he challenges their corporatist positions, he is a threat to every US politician.

The only reason he has got as far as he has is because people are waking up and demanding an alternative choice.

Ron Paul's positions in no way reflect anything the GOP (republican party) has stood for, ever.

Edit: He is only running as a Republican because our electoral system is so fucked a third party can rarely get on the ballot. Dr Paul is essentially a right-libertarian.

Edited by DungenessDank (08/06/11 10:24 AM)

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Re: The Official "USA is fucked. The economy is tanking" Thread! [Re: HippoSex]
    #576910 - 08/06/11 10:29 AM (12 years, 6 months ago)

Quote:

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It matters, bro.:jah:




no doubt about that but its not like we can do anything about it. The future is fucked and that cannot be changed.


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Re: The Official "USA is fucked. The economy is tanking" Thread! [Re: mellowparty] * 1
    #576911 - 08/06/11 10:30 AM (12 years, 6 months ago)

Quote:

mellowparty said:

The future is fucked and that cannot be changed.





:nonono:

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Re: The Official "USA is fucked. The economy is tanking" Thread! [Re: DungenessDank]
    #576918 - 08/06/11 11:06 AM (12 years, 6 months ago)

Quote:

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You're characterization of Ron Paul is common, but incorrect.

The established republican party doesn't want Ron Paul as their nominee because he challenges their corporatist positions, he is a threat to every US politician.

The only reason he has got as far as he has is because people are waking up and demanding an alternative choice.

Ron Paul's positions in no way reflect anything the GOP (republican party) has stood for, ever.

Edit: He is only running as a Republican because our electoral system is so fucked a third party can rarely get on the ballot. Dr Paul is essentially a right-libertarian.




He's pro-life. That doesn't sound libertarian, that sounds republican. What's his stance on medicare, social security, and infrastructure development? Do you know?

The fact of the matter is that people who would normally hold democratic values are supporting him in large numbers. It's taking away much needed votes from the democratic party and it is supporting the falsehood that the Republican Party still has an ounce of legitimacy left in it.
Ron Paul will not be president, but his candidacy does wonders for the Republican Party.

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Re: The Official "USA is fucked. The economy is tanking" Thread! [Re: HippoSex]
    #576919 - 08/06/11 11:14 AM (12 years, 6 months ago)

Pro-life is bullshit.

But Ron Paul still makes the most sense out of all the other politicians.

Which is fucking sad.


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Re: The Official "USA is fucked. The economy is tanking" Thread! [Re: RasJeph] * 1
    #576926 - 08/06/11 11:43 AM (12 years, 6 months ago)

I disagree.

See, if the government cuts spending right now, a whole bunch of people are going to lose their jobs. Not McJobs either, but real jobs that pay well enough to support a family - and a mortgage. And then those people are going to default on their mortgages and we know what happens then. Tent cities, bitches!

There would be less money in the hands of the American consumer and as a result, businesses would suffer too, and the gov would get less taxes, and it would cycle.

Right now you're saying "but inflation!" - exactly. The government needs more in certain areas to spend more to put people to work, to provide social programs that people need (since they have no jobs), and to rebuild our tattered infrastructure - but it also needs to deal with its deficit. That's where taxing the rich and cutting waste (like defense spending) comes in. We end wars and close loopholes, return to the pre-bush rates, and suddenly we can actually afford to rebuild and keep this economy afloat.


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It's like this - the economy is one big ship that Obama has to try to steer.

Bush was fucking around on the boat and starting getting piss drunk and ramming into people, then using taxpayer funds to pay his friends to repair the boat (which they didn't do), so there's a few (many) small (large)leaks in the hull and people are pretty damn seasick.

Anyway, Obama is like, hey! we need to use the leftover wood (the big economic ship is made of wood) to fix the holes in the ship!

But the republicans are like, OMG NO YOU'RE GOING TO WASTE THE LAST OF OUR WOOD. See, there is actually enough wood to go around, but the republicans would rather put the wood on the markets and let the people on the ship with the most money buy the wood so that they can have some Chinese people assemble it and then Bush and his friends can use the wood, which is now a luxury sailboat, to go to shore so that he and his friends can "get help and rescue the rest of the people on the big sinking wooden economic ship."

That's not going to happen though.

Make sense?

Edited by HippoSex (08/06/11 11:59 AM)

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Re: The Official "USA is fucked. The economy is tanking" Thread! [Re: HippoSex]
    #576939 - 08/06/11 12:49 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

Nothing any of them are going to do is going to satisfy me anyway. They're all full of shit, and not a single one is radical enough to get things done imo.

"Politics is one big ass blast".


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Re: The Official "USA is fucked. The economy is tanking" Thread! [Re: RasJeph]
    #576947 - 08/06/11 01:02 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

Republicans as a party have become estranged certainly but you make the mistake of generalizing and discounting all republicans simply because of their party affiliation.  And though Ron Paul is pro-life he is pro-states rights first, which is a republican ideal.  He believes it is not up to the federal government to decide but rather the states.  Which I agree with.

Pro-states rights
limited federal government
freedom to own firearms

These are republican ideals.  Abortion, gay rights ect has nothing to do with being a republican.


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you know what i did in english class? I came to class stoned out of my mind every day, i chugged vodka in the back of class, i put dead fish in the ceiling tiles. i put a gallon of old milk and orange juice in the file cabinet before winter vacation. i brought snakes in a tied up sweater and let them loose during class. i didnt go to school to learn, i went because i had to. i didnt care, and i didn't fucking listen to that stupid bitch. and i still don't fucking care. i tore the pages out of her books and burned them, and threw away all the books in the class, two books per day.  :twobooks:

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Re: The Official "USA is fucked. The economy is tanking" Thread! [Re: HippoSex]
    #576952 - 08/06/11 01:09 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

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He's pro-life. That doesn't sound libertarian, that sounds republican. What's his stance on medicare, social security, and infrastructure development? Do you know?




He delivers babies for a living, I can see why he would be pro-life, being said he doesn't believe he should have the authority to decide what you do with your own body, so its a moot point.

He would be in favor allowing individual states the ability to decide if they want to supply those services or allow privatization.


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The fact of the matter is that people who would normally hold democratic values are supporting him in large numbers. It's taking away much needed votes from the democratic party and it is supporting the falsehood that the Republican Party still has an ounce of legitimacy left in it.
Ron Paul will not be president, but his candidacy does wonders for the Republican Party.




The democratic party doesn't "need" the votes, you do realize our congress is meant to represent the will of the people, correct? The people will vote for who they believe best represents them, or much more likely who the news media tells them they should think represents them.

It's simply false to say the GOP wants Paul as candidate, they overwhelmingly want Romney.

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See, if the government cuts spending right now, a whole bunch of people are going to lose their jobs. Not McJobs either, but real jobs that pay well enough to support a family - and a mortgage. And then those people are going to default on their mortgages and we know what happens then. Tent cities, bitches!




Or they can rent. The reason we have such crazy deficits is precisely because government spending has been treated as a jobs program.

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There would be less money in the hands of the American consumer and as a result, businesses would suffer too, and the gov would get less taxes, and it would cycle.




Unless you lowered taxes and deregulated which would spur investment at home instead overseas. More taxes on corporations to pay for jobs that wouldn't exist without the government propping them up is only going to send legitimate jobs away from home.

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Right now you're saying "but inflation!" - exactly. The government needs more in certain areas to spend more to put people to work, to provide social programs that people need (since they have no jobs), and to rebuild our tattered infrastructure - but it also needs to deal with its deficit. That's where taxing the rich and cutting waste (like defense spending) comes in. We end wars and close loopholes, return to the pre-bush rates, and suddenly we can actually afford to rebuild and keep this economy afloat.




Ah, but you are the champion of saving jobs correct? Do you have any idea how many jobs would be lost with drastic cuts in defense spending? Wouldn't we be seeing your hypothetical tent cities in either case?

The rest of your post is just boot-licking. Obama is no saint, he is liar and hypocrite who will do and say whatever will get him elected, the same as GW Bush. Politics in the US are a joke, and from the sounds of it you are rendered stupefied by the political theater and what they want you to believe is best for "everyone."

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Re: The Official "USA is fucked. The economy is tanking" Thread! [Re: DungenessDank]
    #576958 - 08/06/11 01:25 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

Quote:

DungenessDank said:
Quote:

HippoSex said:
He's pro-life. That doesn't sound libertarian, that sounds republican. What's his stance on medicare, social security, and infrastructure development? Do you know?




He delivers babies for a living, I can see why he would be pro-life, being said he doesn't believe he should have the authority to decide what you do with your own body, so its a moot point.

He would be in favor allowing individual states the ability to decide if they want to supply those services or allow privatization.

Why should women in some states have control over their bodies, but not in others?


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HippoSex said:
The fact of the matter is that people who would normally hold democratic values are supporting him in large numbers. It's taking away much needed votes from the democratic party and it is supporting the falsehood that the Republican Party still has an ounce of legitimacy left in it.
Ron Paul will not be president, but his candidacy does wonders for the Republican Party.




The democratic party doesn't "need" the votes, you do realize our congress is meant to represent the will of the people, correct? The people will vote for who they believe best represents them, or much more likely who the news media tells them they should think represents them.

It's simply false to say the GOP wants Paul as candidate, they overwhelmingly want Romney.

I didn't say they wanted Paul. He helps by taking votes from the Democrats. He's not a real candidate for president.

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HippoSex said:
See, if the government cuts spending right now, a whole bunch of people are going to lose their jobs. Not McJobs either, but real jobs that pay well enough to support a family - and a mortgage. And then those people are going to default on their mortgages and we know what happens then. Tent cities, bitches!




Or they can rent. The reason we have such crazy deficits is precisely because government spending has been treated as a jobs program.
"Let them eat cake" How are they going to rent without jobs and a social safety net?

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HippoSex said:
There would be less money in the hands of the American consumer and as a result, businesses would suffer too, and the gov would get less taxes, and it would cycle.




Unless you lowered taxes and deregulated which would spur investment at home instead overseas. More taxes on corporations to pay for jobs that wouldn't exist without the government propping them up is only going to send legitimate jobs away from home.

McJobs don't do much to spur the economy. Even with lower taxes, it's hard to beat China where you can pay college educated workers $200 a month. The taxes on corporations are on net profits, not individual workers.
Deregulation would spur investment? How about rebuilding a middle class that can afford not to shop and work at Walmart?


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HippoSex said:
Right now you're saying "but inflation!" - exactly. The government needs more in certain areas to spend more to put people to work, to provide social programs that people need (since they have no jobs), and to rebuild our tattered infrastructure - but it also needs to deal with its deficit. That's where taxing the rich and cutting waste (like defense spending) comes in. We end wars and close loopholes, return to the pre-bush rates, and suddenly we can actually afford to rebuild and keep this economy afloat.




Ah, but you are the champion of saving jobs correct? Do you have any idea how many jobs would be lost with drastic cuts in defense spending? Wouldn't we be seeing your hypothetical tent cities in either case?

The amount of money that private military contractors made away with is massive, and most of it does NOT get paid to soldiers. We could better use that money to build infrastructure, educate people to become doctors, and then hire them to provide medical care to ALL AMERICANS.

The rest of your post is just boot-licking. Obama is no saint, he is liar and hypocrite who will do and say whatever will get him elected, the same as GW Bush. Politics in the US are a joke, and from the sounds of it you are rendered stupefied by the political theater and what they want you to believe is best for "everyone."




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Republicans as a party have become estranged certainly but you make the mistake of generalizing and discounting all republicans simply because of their party affiliation.




I blame Republican leadership, the media, and the corporations that control them, not the voters. Voters are misinformed, not stupid.

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Re: The Official "USA is fucked. The economy is tanking" Thread! [Re: HippoSex]
    #576968 - 08/06/11 01:48 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

Well whether you like it or not this is a democracy in this country.  Ideally yes abortion should be a right extended to all women however at the very least we can make it an issue which voters can decide on. 

As you put, voters are misinformed not stupid.  So inform them and help change their minds on the issues.  But if your state votes to outlaw abortion, well that is how our political system works.  As long as each state has the right to decide I see no problem with that.  Don't like it?  Move to another state or make an effort to change peoples minds.


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you know what i did in english class? I came to class stoned out of my mind every day, i chugged vodka in the back of class, i put dead fish in the ceiling tiles. i put a gallon of old milk and orange juice in the file cabinet before winter vacation. i brought snakes in a tied up sweater and let them loose during class. i didnt go to school to learn, i went because i had to. i didnt care, and i didn't fucking listen to that stupid bitch. and i still don't fucking care. i tore the pages out of her books and burned them, and threw away all the books in the class, two books per day.  :twobooks:

Edited by THEBats (08/06/11 01:50 PM)

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Re: The Official "USA is fucked. The economy is tanking" Thread! [Re: THEBats]
    #576974 - 08/06/11 02:14 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

:feelshighman:

looks like i got lost for a moment and landed in the parallel dimension where the USA is a big :feelsbadman:

lol

Yesterday the USA was doin' amazing, looks like I'm gonna have to GTFO and do thangs, go through the wormhole and pop into the dimension where the USA is a big :feelsgoodman:


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Re: The Official "USA is fucked. The economy is tanking" Thread! [Re: I_AM_SWIM]
    #576995 - 08/06/11 04:54 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

you fucks bitchin about ron pauls pro life position dont realize that he has stated that he personally is prolife (probably cause hes delivered a million babies) but he would leave it up to the states if he were elected.

RON PAUL is the ONLY honest candidate who will do the right things for our country along with gary johnson.

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Re: The Official "USA is fucked. The economy is tanking" Thread! [Re: grateful dead]
    #577003 - 08/06/11 06:26 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

Exactly, it's unfortunate Gary Johnson doesn't have more support.

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Re: The Official "USA is fucked. The economy is tanking" Thread! [Re: HippoSex]
    #577026 - 08/06/11 10:25 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

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HippoSex said:
Yeah. The real problems are athiests/muslims/liberals/socialists/minorities/spending/birth control/abortions/public healthcare/social security/food stamps/corporate taxes/corporate regulations/minimum wage/obama's birth certificate, etc.



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Re: The Official "USA is fucked. The economy is tanking" Thread! [Re: iStoner]
    #577027 - 08/06/11 10:36 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

People like to create mischaracterizations of those with opposing view points, it helps justify their views in their own minds.

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Re: The Official "USA is fucked. The economy is tanking" Thread! [Re: DungenessDank]
    #577131 - 08/07/11 05:56 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

Here we go motherfuckers! We're four minutes away from the asian markets opening.

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Re: The Official "USA is fucked. The economy is tanking" Thread! [Re: HippoSex]
    #577148 - 08/07/11 09:16 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

Meh, gold opened 40 points up, I don't care about the rest of the market, let it crash. Of course, you think we should inflate to give the market artificially good numbers and maintain the status quo. Wouldn't want to lose any of those good productive jobs.

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Re: The Official "USA is fucked. The economy is tanking" Thread! [Re: DungenessDank]
    #577154 - 08/07/11 09:41 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

Hell no. I want it all to come down as much as you do. I'd like to get healthcare and security for everyone, but failing that, anarchy is better than fascism.

The markets are really unstable right now. People are just holding and waiting. Keep watching over the coming hours and days. The markets in Europe and the USA haven't even opened yet.

Last time the governments had the funds to stimulate us for a while, but since that money has been spent and we now have a debt ceiling, , they can't really do much if things start crashing.

Shit shall be interesting. I'm curious as to whether Obama will actually have the balls to go on the air prime time and talk about what's going on, or whether he'll hide out in the background and "wait for congress to return" - which is in mid September, lol.

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Re: The Official "USA is fucked. The economy is tanking" Thread! [Re: HippoSex]
    #577157 - 08/07/11 10:15 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

Quote:

anarchy is better than fascism.




We can agree on that.

Obama will find a way to put a partisan spin on it, despite the fact the fucking over of our country has been a non-partisan effort since WWII.

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Re: The Official "USA is fucked. The economy is tanking" Thread! [Re: DungenessDank]
    #577180 - 08/08/11 01:17 AM (12 years, 6 months ago)

Round two!

Europe's markets open (17 mins ago) to uncertainty.

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DungenessDank said:
Obama will find a way to put a partisan spin on it, despite the fact the fucking over of our country has been a non-partisan effort since WWII.




To the bane of many democrats, he has not yet done so in a sufficient manner.

Edited by HippoSex (08/08/11 01:29 AM)

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Re: The Official "USA is fucked. The economy is tanking" Thread! [Re: HippoSex]
    #577182 - 08/08/11 01:43 AM (12 years, 6 months ago)

live stocks http://www.google.ca/finance

europe opened down about .5 percent, now up .5 to 2.1. That sure isn't going to last long, haha.

gonna be a wild week.

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Re: The Official "USA is fucked. The economy is tanking" Thread! [Re: HippoSex]
    #577403 - 08/09/11 03:10 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)


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Re: The Official "USA is fucked. The economy is tanking" Thread! [Re: HippoSex]
    #577404 - 08/09/11 03:14 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)


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Re: The Official "USA is fucked. The economy is tanking" Thread! [Re: HippoSex]
    #577409 - 08/09/11 03:44 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

All I know is, shit's gonna hit the fan soon. :shitfan:
So stop bitchin and be fuckin ready.  :shitstorm:


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Re: The Official [Re: HippoSex]
    #591831 - 10/12/11 06:03 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

i blame the federal reserve and can prove it, your a nwo operative and i will be banned

Edited by Infowars.com (10/12/11 06:03 PM)

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Re: The Official "USA is fucked. The economy is tanking" Thread! [Re: Infowars.com]
    #591840 - 10/12/11 06:13 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

i love these fucking paid off kids with 1000 people using their account
FUCK THE FEDERAL RESERVE WE HAVE NO MORE TIME

go fuck off puppets we know who is the enemy and the shroomery already got traced back to the BIG 6

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