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The official fringe sciences and ufo thread.
    #460132 - 08/14/10 02:31 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

So since we do not have a forum for this type of stuff maybe we
can keep it in this official thread. Its been kind quiet lately as
far as the UFO and such are concerned except for the situation in china.

But Im gona get the ball rolling here with something else.

I believe that the history we grew up learning in school was only
but a fraction of the big picture of the history of this planet.
Ill keep it simple with just that statement.

This vido is long, about 1 hour and 37 mins long but a good place
to start if you do not want to watch the whole thing just go to 50 mins.



This comment was posted below on youtube....


"hancock - excellent

wilcock - can you please be silent when your interviewee is speaking... the "oH, Yes, Uhuh, Right, yes, yeap, mmmm, yea" is annoying."

Pretty spot on and possibly too many cocks involved but hey, this
shit is ridiculously interesting :lol:

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Re: The official fringe sciences and ufo thread. [Re: DeadHearts]
    #460140 - 08/14/10 02:46 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

I'm pretty on the fence over UFOs

I've even had some encounters when I was younger but the older I get the harder it is to maintain my belief.

there are just too many hoaxes and not enough evidence.
and the majority of the real unexplained happenings go unexplained


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Re: The official fringe sciences and ufo thread. [Re: CosmicFool]
    #460145 - 08/14/10 02:54 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)



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Re: The official fringe sciences and ufo thread. [Re: iStoner]
    #460188 - 08/14/10 04:28 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

UFOs are real.  Whether or not there are aliens flying around in them is the debate.


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you know what i did in english class? I came to class stoned out of my mind every day, i chugged vodka in the back of class, i put dead fish in the ceiling tiles. i put a gallon of old milk and orange juice in the file cabinet before winter vacation. i brought snakes in a tied up sweater and let them loose during class. i didnt go to school to learn, i went because i had to. i didnt care, and i didn't fucking listen to that stupid bitch. and i still don't fucking care. i tore the pages out of her books and burned them, and threw away all the books in the class, two books per day.  :twobooks:

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Re: The official fringe sciences and ufo thread. [Re: CosmicFool]
    #460272 - 08/14/10 07:41 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

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CosmicFool said:


there are just too many hoaxes and not enough evidence.
and the majority of the real unexplained happenings go unexplained





Hoaxes are always gona happen. But I believe there is plenty of
evidence around to say at the very least that something is going on.
Im talking about well know officials testifying what the saw and
experienced. Everyone from astronauts to airplane pilots to police
officers.

There is also an incredible amount of info regarding crop circles
that definitely suggest that humans do not have the technology to
do such things. Some of course are fake.

I think there is too much evidence out there to ignore.

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Re: The official fringe sciences and ufo thread. [Re: DeadHearts]
    #463780 - 08/19/10 08:14 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

New swirled order (crop circle documentary 2009)

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Re: The official fringe sciences and ufo thread. [Re: THEBats]
    #463783 - 08/19/10 08:33 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

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THEBats said:
UFOs are real.  Whether or not there are aliens flying around in them is the debate.




Is it a debate?  I think of it more as a sort of delusion of grandeur.

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Re: The official fringe sciences and ufo thread. [Re: DieCommie]
    #463784 - 08/19/10 08:41 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

Quote:

DieCommie said:
Quote:

THEBats said:
UFOs are real.  Whether or not there are aliens flying around in them is the debate.




Is it a debate?  I think of it more as a sort of delusion of grandeur.




Why dont you watch the video above in its entirety.

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Re: The official fringe sciences and ufo thread. [Re: DieCommie]
    #463785 - 08/19/10 08:44 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

Quote:

DieCommie said:
Quote:

THEBats said:
UFOs are real.  Whether or not there are aliens flying around in them is the debate.




Is it a debate?  I think of it more as a sort of delusion of grandeur.




Yes there is much to debate whether or not aliens have visited us.  Not much to debate on whether or not they exist.


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you know what i did in english class? I came to class stoned out of my mind every day, i chugged vodka in the back of class, i put dead fish in the ceiling tiles. i put a gallon of old milk and orange juice in the file cabinet before winter vacation. i brought snakes in a tied up sweater and let them loose during class. i didnt go to school to learn, i went because i had to. i didnt care, and i didn't fucking listen to that stupid bitch. and i still don't fucking care. i tore the pages out of her books and burned them, and threw away all the books in the class, two books per day.  :twobooks:

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Re: The official fringe sciences and ufo thread. [Re: THEBats]
    #463788 - 08/19/10 08:49 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

Quote:

THEBats said:
Quote:

DieCommie said:
Quote:

THEBats said:
UFOs are real.  Whether or not there are aliens flying around in them is the debate.




Is it a debate?  I think of it more as a sort of delusion of grandeur.




Yes there is much to debate whether or not aliens have visited us.  Not much to debate on whether or not they exist.




There is too much information to continue to ignore. If someone thinks
that these topics are brought up by people who have a delusional
outlook then that person needs to take a look in the mirror.

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Re: The official fringe sciences and ufo thread. [Re: DeadHearts]
    #463791 - 08/19/10 08:53 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

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Yes there is much to debate whether or not aliens have visited us.




I dont think there is.



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Why dont you watch the video above in its entirety.




I wont watch it because videos are filled with biased information, emotional music and misrepresentation of people quotes.  Also they are an incredibly slow method of disseminating information.  I think videos about this kind of stuff proliferate because smart people read and dumb people watch videos.  Thats a dickish thing to say, and its a generalization but I cant help but find it to be the case.  Internet video clips are an opiate of the masses, and people who buy into their crap are brainwashed sheep.  Again, Im sorry if that offends you (I know it would offend me) - but this is an anonymous internet forum so I will call it like I see it.

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Re: The official fringe sciences and ufo thread. [Re: DeadHearts]
    #463796 - 08/19/10 08:56 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

Quote:

DeadHearts said:
Quote:

THEBats said:
Quote:

DieCommie said:
Quote:

THEBats said:
UFOs are real.  Whether or not there are aliens flying around in them is the debate.




Is it a debate?  I think of it more as a sort of delusion of grandeur.




Yes there is much to debate whether or not aliens have visited us.  Not much to debate on whether or not they exist.




There is too much information to continue to ignore. If someone thinks
that these topics are brought up by people who have a delusional
outlook then that person needs to take a look in the mirror.




If there's so much information then why is there so much doubt within the academic community?  Also there does exist commonalities amongst people typically engaged in conspiracy theories.  :sorry:  Not saying you guys are delusional, but there are definitely some personality traits that play into things.


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you know what i did in english class? I came to class stoned out of my mind every day, i chugged vodka in the back of class, i put dead fish in the ceiling tiles. i put a gallon of old milk and orange juice in the file cabinet before winter vacation. i brought snakes in a tied up sweater and let them loose during class. i didnt go to school to learn, i went because i had to. i didnt care, and i didn't fucking listen to that stupid bitch. and i still don't fucking care. i tore the pages out of her books and burned them, and threw away all the books in the class, two books per day.  :twobooks:

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Re: The official fringe sciences and ufo thread. [Re: DieCommie]
    #463799 - 08/19/10 08:58 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

Quote:

DieCommie said:





I wont watch it because videos are filled with biased information, emotional music and misrepresentation of people quotes.  Also they are an incredibly slow method of disseminating information.  I think videos about this kind of stuff proliferate because smart people read and dumb people watch videos.  Thats a dickish thing to say, and its a generalization but I cant help but find it to be the case.  Internet video clips are an opiate of the masses, and people who buy into their crap are brainwashed sheep.  Again, Im sorry if that offends you (I know it would offend me) - but this is an anonymous internet forum so I will call it like I see it.




Smart people read and dumb people watch videos?? What in the fuck is
wrong with you?? Do you know how incredibly arrogant you sound with
that statement alone??

You are afraid to look into the matter weather you read about it or
watch a fucking video. Because regardless or reading or watching the
INFORMATION is still there.

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Re: The official fringe sciences and ufo thread. [Re: DeadHearts]
    #463800 - 08/19/10 09:01 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

Quote:

DeadHearts said:
Quote:

DieCommie said:





I wont watch it because videos are filled with biased information, emotional music and misrepresentation of people quotes.  Also they are an incredibly slow method of disseminating information.  I think videos about this kind of stuff proliferate because smart people read and dumb people watch videos.  Thats a dickish thing to say, and its a generalization but I cant help but find it to be the case.  Internet video clips are an opiate of the masses, and people who buy into their crap are brainwashed sheep.  Again, Im sorry if that offends you (I know it would offend me) - but this is an anonymous internet forum so I will call it like I see it.




Smart people read and dumb people watch videos?? What in the fuck is
wrong with you?? Do you know how incredibly arrogant you sound with
that statement alone??

You are afraid to look into the matter weather you read about it or
watch a fucking video. Because regardless or reading or watching the
INFORMATION is still there.




He's not so much saying that as bringing up the persuasion factor behind video media.  Well, he did say that but he has a point.  There are much more persuasive techniques available to someone in videography rather than pure literature.


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kickin-two-hundo said:
you know what i did in english class? I came to class stoned out of my mind every day, i chugged vodka in the back of class, i put dead fish in the ceiling tiles. i put a gallon of old milk and orange juice in the file cabinet before winter vacation. i brought snakes in a tied up sweater and let them loose during class. i didnt go to school to learn, i went because i had to. i didnt care, and i didn't fucking listen to that stupid bitch. and i still don't fucking care. i tore the pages out of her books and burned them, and threw away all the books in the class, two books per day.  :twobooks:

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Re: The official fringe sciences and ufo thread. [Re: THEBats]
    #463803 - 08/19/10 09:02 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

Quote:

THEBats said:





If there's so much information then why is there so much doubt within the academic community?  Also there does exist commonalities amongst people typically engaged in conspiracy theories.  :sorry:  Not saying you guys are delusional, but there are definitely some personality traits that play into things.




Right now I will stay with on subject and that will be in regards to the last video I posted on crop circles. There is a ridiculous amount of information that has been gathered by credible people who have used
many different scientific methods to get an idea of how these things
are being made. I mean this stuff is right at ur finger tips and people
will still argue or refuse to acknowledge it. That is the thing here
I cannot understand.

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Re: The official fringe sciences and ufo thread. [Re: DeadHearts]
    #463807 - 08/19/10 09:04 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

I know how arrogant that sounds, I mentioned that in my post.  Videos are better propaganda machines than text.  The combination of their editing, music and special effects can 'woo' and 'ahh' viewers like no text can.  Plus they are so, so slow - it take them an hour to say what could be said in two paragraphs.

Im not afraid to look into any matter, every one of my many beliefs is tentative and subject to change.  I have looked into this matter many times over the years and have come to a conclusion.  My conclusion is that videos of this sort are delusional crap and the people who buy into them are foolish and being led around like sheep.

Yes I know that is arrogant sounding.  So what?

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Re: The official fringe sciences and ufo thread. [Re: THEBats]
    #463808 - 08/19/10 09:05 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

Quote:

THEBats said:
Quote:

DeadHearts said:
Quote:

DieCommie said:





I wont watch it because videos are filled with biased information, emotional music and misrepresentation of people quotes.  Also they are an incredibly slow method of disseminating information.  I think videos about this kind of stuff proliferate because smart people read and dumb people watch videos.  Thats a dickish thing to say, and its a generalization but I cant help but find it to be the case.  Internet video clips are an opiate of the masses, and people who buy into their crap are brainwashed sheep.  Again, Im sorry if that offends you (I know it would offend me) - but this is an anonymous internet forum so I will call it like I see it.




Smart people read and dumb people watch videos?? What in the fuck is
wrong with you?? Do you know how incredibly arrogant you sound with
that statement alone??

You are afraid to look into the matter weather you read about it or
watch a fucking video. Because regardless or reading or watching the
INFORMATION is still there.





There are much more persuasive techniques available to someone in videography rather than pure literature.




Yes that is true. But not very likely. As these formations are there
weather they have been video recorded or not. Its a terribly weak are
to keep it short here.

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Re: The official fringe sciences and ufo thread. [Re: DieCommie]
    #463809 - 08/19/10 09:06 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

Quote:

DieCommie said:
I know how arrogant that sounds, I mentioned that in my post.  Videos are better propaganda machines than text.  The combination of their editing, music and special effects can 'woo' and 'ahh' viewers like no text can.  Plus they are so, so slow - it take them an hour to say what could be said in two paragraphs.

Im not afraid to look into any matter, every one of my many beliefs is tentative and subject to change.  I have looked into this matter many times over the years and have come to a conclusion.  My conclusion is that videos of this sort are delusional crap and the people who buy into them are foolish and being led around like sheep.

Yes I know that is arrogant sounding.  So what?




So then Are you refusing to ignore the "text" that is also out there??

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Re: The official fringe sciences and ufo thread. [Re: DeadHearts] * 1
    #463813 - 08/19/10 09:08 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

What amazes me is that some of the worlds top thinkers don't also share your viewpoint, what with all the evidence and what not.  :rolleyes: 

Sorry there just really isn't enough evidence.  I've looked through that vid and not one of those crop circles are out of the capabilities of someone to construct.

Have you seen vids where people do just that?

I even anticipate your retort, it's predictable.


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kickin-two-hundo said:
you know what i did in english class? I came to class stoned out of my mind every day, i chugged vodka in the back of class, i put dead fish in the ceiling tiles. i put a gallon of old milk and orange juice in the file cabinet before winter vacation. i brought snakes in a tied up sweater and let them loose during class. i didnt go to school to learn, i went because i had to. i didnt care, and i didn't fucking listen to that stupid bitch. and i still don't fucking care. i tore the pages out of her books and burned them, and threw away all the books in the class, two books per day.  :twobooks:

Edited by THEBats (08/19/10 09:09 PM)

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Re: The official fringe sciences and ufo thread. [Re: DeadHearts]
    #463816 - 08/19/10 09:10 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

Quote:

DeadHearts said:
So then Are you refusing to ignore the "text" that is also out there??





Nope, I have looked at all forms of media on the subject - video and otherwise.  Like I said, I have considered this many times over the years.  And in my many considerations I have found internet videos to be the weakest and most pathetic attempts to convince me of all.

I think you have trouble realizing that two different people can look at the same thing and draw two different conclusions.  You do realize that right?  Just because the 'evidence' convinces you doesn't mean it must convince me (and vise versa).

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Re: The official fringe sciences and ufo thread. [Re: DeadHearts]
    #463817 - 08/19/10 09:12 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

Please go here and "READ" the information provided and tell me what
you think afterward.

http://www.bltresearch.com/plantab.php

I find it hard to believe ater reading such information you will
still be able to call these things delusions. There is a technology
there they us regular people do not know about. So I am not saying
this shit is alien but if its not then who?

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Re: The official fringe sciences and ufo thread. [Re: DeadHearts]
    #463819 - 08/19/10 09:13 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

Quote:

So I am not saying
this shit is alien but if its not then who?




Human.  Or at least, Terran.

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Re: The official fringe sciences and ufo thread. [Re: THEBats]
    #463822 - 08/19/10 09:15 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

Quote:

THEBats said:
What amazes me is that some of the worlds top thinkers don't also share your viewpoint, what with all the evidence and what not.  :rolleyes: 

Sorry there just really isn't enough evidence.  I've looked through that vid and not one of those crop circles are out of the capabilities of someone to construct.

Have you seen vids where people do just that?

I even anticipate your retort, it's predictable.




The top thinkers in the world also have a thing called reputation.
Shit you can obviously see what happens to us normal people who bring
these topics to the table. It would destroy careers. Now its different
for someone to build their career around these very topics.

I would also like you to show me where people make these formations
in a 24 hour or shorter period.

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Re: The official fringe sciences and ufo thread. [Re: DieCommie]
    #463823 - 08/19/10 09:15 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

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DieCommie said:
Quote:

So I am not saying
this shit is alien but if its not then who?




Human.  Or at least, Terran.




nahh

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Re: The official fringe sciences and ufo thread. [Re: DeadHearts]
    #463824 - 08/19/10 09:16 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

Quote:

DeadHearts said:
Please go here and "READ" the information provided and tell me what
you think afterward.

http://www.bltresearch.com/plantab.php






Yes, I have read that before.  It gets posted alot.  I recall seeing nothing special or convincing at all in that page.  The notion that some grass with a funky bend and radiation is supposed to convince me of alien visitation is completely ridiculous. 

If I have time tomorrow Ill read through it again, but I dont see why I would draw a different conclusion now than I did in the past years.

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Re: The official fringe sciences and ufo thread. [Re: DieCommie]
    #463827 - 08/19/10 09:19 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

Quote:

DieCommie said:
Quote:

DeadHearts said:
Please go here and "READ" the information provided and tell me what
you think afterward.

http://www.bltresearch.com/plantab.php






Yes, I have read that before.  It gets posted alot.  I recall seeing nothing special or convincing at all in that page.  The notion that some grass with a funky bend and radiation is supposed to convince me of alien visitation is completely ridiculous. 

If I have time tomorrow Ill read through it again.




If you already read through it then you would not need to do it
again. That makes me think you are a liar.

The "bends" are hardly all there is to tell. Look into what is found in
the soil. And underground water reservoirs. How can you still say that
people did this?

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Re: The official fringe sciences and ufo thread. [Re: DeadHearts]
    #463829 - 08/19/10 09:23 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

Quote:

If you already read through it then you would not need to do it
again. That makes me think you are a liar.




Some more air tight logic from DeadHearts.... Obviously if I read through it years ago I dont remember all the details. Really dude, face it - I dont draw the same conclusions as you. 

Quote:

How can you still say that
people did this?




Quite easily in fact.  People did this.  People do alot of things.

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Re: The official fringe sciences and ufo thread. [Re: DeadHearts]
    #463830 - 08/19/10 09:23 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

Quote:

DeadHearts said:
Quote:

THEBats said:
What amazes me is that some of the worlds top thinkers don't also share your viewpoint, what with all the evidence and what not.  :rolleyes: 

Sorry there just really isn't enough evidence.  I've looked through that vid and not one of those crop circles are out of the capabilities of someone to construct.

Have you seen vids where people do just that?

I even anticipate your retort, it's predictable.




The top thinkers in the world also have a thing called reputation.
Shit you can obviously see what happens to us normal people who bring
these topics to the table. It would destroy careers. Now its different
for someone to build their career around these very topics.

I would also like you to show me where people make these formations
in a 24 hour or shorter period.




Something tells me hawking or tyson are not worried about ruining their careers by talking on whether or not aliens have visited us. 

Also here's a vid of one made overnight.



Here's a great vid from neil degrasse tyson.



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you know what i did in english class? I came to class stoned out of my mind every day, i chugged vodka in the back of class, i put dead fish in the ceiling tiles. i put a gallon of old milk and orange juice in the file cabinet before winter vacation. i brought snakes in a tied up sweater and let them loose during class. i didnt go to school to learn, i went because i had to. i didnt care, and i didn't fucking listen to that stupid bitch. and i still don't fucking care. i tore the pages out of her books and burned them, and threw away all the books in the class, two books per day.  :twobooks:

Edited by THEBats (08/19/10 09:27 PM)

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Re: The official fringe sciences and ufo thread. [Re: DieCommie]
    #463832 - 08/19/10 09:25 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

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DieCommie said:
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Quite easily in fact.  People did this.  People do alot of things.




Talk about air tight logic, lol.

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Re: The official fringe sciences and ufo thread. [Re: THEBats]
    #463836 - 08/19/10 09:31 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

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THEBats said:






Also here's a vid of one made overnight.






That does appear to be made over night but it pales in
comparison as far as size is concerned. I mean its hardly
proof. People do make good and interesting formations but
most of them I believe were not done by these certain groups
of people. 

Its gotta be back up. What do the stalks look like after they are done?
What was found in the soil?? Obviously there will be no radiation of
any kind. There are things you have to ask urself here. I still do
strongly suggest you watch the whole video. There are people out there
that take care of the hardcore research for us.

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Re: The official fringe sciences and ufo thread. [Re: DeadHearts]
    #463839 - 08/19/10 09:32 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

Do I believe there is life outthere? Yes. Billions of galaxy's with billions of planets each. Do I believe that they have ever come here? Nope. Because of our location the nearest planet or star for that matter is 8 light years away.

With all the UFO sightings that there have been not one person can get a decent pic? Also if they had the technology to go for 8 years at the speed of light then they are far more advanced then us and wouldn't have to hide from us if they came here.

"We have come to take over the earth, oh shit here comes a human with a camera run for it."

I don't think so.


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Re: The official fringe sciences and ufo thread. [Re: Magash]
    #463841 - 08/19/10 09:34 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

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Do I believe there is life outthere? Yes. Billions of galaxy's with billions of planets each. Do I believe that they have ever come here? Nope. Because of our location the nearest planet or star for that matter is 8 light years away.

With all the UFO sightings that there have been not one person can get a decent pic? Also if they had the technology to go for 8 years at the speed of light then they are far more advanced then us and wouldn't have to hide from us if they came here.

"We have come to take over the earth, oh shit here comes a human with a camera run for it."

I don't think so.




At this moment we are not talk about UFOS. Thats a different story.
Crops circles are right here everyday for us to study.

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Re: The official fringe sciences and ufo thread. [Re: DeadHearts] * 1
    #463842 - 08/19/10 09:36 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

people can make crop circles. people do make crop circles. its not hard to make crop circles in one night. the thing is, its hard to make such complex crop circles, very neatly in one night.
it has been proven and proven again, that it would be nearly impossible to make such complex cirlces in one ngith, that are so neatly done. the hoaxes that have been figured out, are either not complex, or not very neatly done.


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Re: The official fringe sciences and ufo thread. [Re: DeadHearts]
    #463844 - 08/19/10 09:36 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

If you watch this vid then you will understand.



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Re: The official fringe sciences and ufo thread. [Re: DeadHearts]
    #463845 - 08/19/10 09:37 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

I would really appreciate it if you guys would check out that video
from the 8 minute mark to a little past the 14 minute mark.

Edited by DeadHearts (08/19/10 09:38 PM)

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Re: The official fringe sciences and ufo thread. [Re: DeadHearts]
    #463852 - 08/19/10 09:42 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

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I would really appreciate it if you guys would check out that video
from the 8 minute mark to a little past the 14 minute mark.




Also if you watch past that for a few minutes it becomes even more
interesting.

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Re: The official fringe sciences and ufo thread. [Re: DeadHearts]
    #463863 - 08/19/10 09:48 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

Did you watch the vid I posted?


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Re: The official fringe sciences and ufo thread. [Re: THEBats]
    #463865 - 08/19/10 09:49 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

what about my video :kingcrankey:


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Re: The official fringe sciences and ufo thread. [Re: THEBats]
    #463866 - 08/19/10 09:50 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

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Did you watch the vid I posted?




like 25% through

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Re: The official fringe sciences and ufo thread. [Re: DeadHearts]
    #463876 - 08/19/10 09:55 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

He does not provide anything credible whatsoever. No one knows what
this shit is. He doesnt know. He needs proof in his hand. Thats fine.
I feel the same way to an extent. The crop circle thing strikes me
because there is hard evidence behind it.

UFOS (aliens) whatever. Will continue to be speculation on both parts.
So for now this conversation should stay on topic.

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Re: The official fringe sciences and ufo thread. [Re: DeadHearts]
    #463887 - 08/19/10 10:05 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

Hard evidence that you conclude to be UFOs.


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Re: The official fringe sciences and ufo thread. [Re: DeadHearts]
    #463890 - 08/19/10 10:09 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

Aliens come to make art in our grass. But we don't understand why because their so much more intelligent than us. Until some super genius person comes and decyphers these codes they draw, we would be forever get illegal grafiti in our crops.


Thats what i'm getting from this thread.


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Re: The official fringe sciences and ufo thread. [Re: King Koopa]
    #463892 - 08/19/10 10:12 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

Or maybe im being a tard for trying to figure out an aliens motive.


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Re: The official fringe sciences and ufo thread. [Re: King Koopa]
    #463930 - 08/19/10 11:39 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

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Aliens come to make art in our grass. But we don't understand why because their so much more intelligent than us. Until some super genius person comes and decyphers these codes they draw, we would be forever get illegal grafiti in our crops.


Thats what i'm getting from this thread.




Not all of our crops.  Mostly England and certainly concentrated in the angelo-sphere.  And they usually come at night, on the weekend.  So the crop circle makers are ethnocentric towards Angelos, and have the same 7 day week cycle we do.  But they arnt human ... and this isnt evidence of aliens it something different. 

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    #463934 - 08/19/10 11:53 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

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Re: The official fringe sciences and ufo thread. [Re: DeadHearts]
    #463939 - 08/20/10 12:11 AM (13 years, 7 months ago)

what say you deadhearts? you think aliens are drawing destroying crops for the sake of art.


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    #463942 - 08/20/10 12:14 AM (13 years, 7 months ago)




those are some crafty aliens:aliendance:


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Re: The official fringe sciences and ufo thread. [Re: King Koopa]
    #464134 - 08/20/10 12:02 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

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what say you deadhearts? you think aliens are drawing destroying crops for the sake of art.




I think someone is trying to send us a message. Many of these formations
directly relate to our DNA as well as our planet. If you look at the
bottom left image of the ones you posted it is clearly representing
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Re: The official fringe sciences and ufo thread. [Re: DeadHearts]
    #464323 - 08/20/10 04:13 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

If they wanted to send us that message, and have already discovered our planet then there are more obvious ways they could accomplish this.  The only reasons we use universal symbols in our seti broadcast is to let aliens know intelligent life is out there.  If we had already discovered and were able to visit the planet I would doubt we, or other intelligent life, would try and communicate so clandestinely.

As I've said before there may exist UFOs and there may even exist unexplained crop circles, though I'm sure nearly two-thirds are easily explained, does not mean they are of extraterrestrial origin.  Maybe the government is making them to keep us distracted. :shrug:  Certainly doesn't seem any less probable then that of extraterrestrial origin.  Really that's what neal degrasse tyson was getting at in the video.  Not that there aren't unexplained things but that we reach conclusions of extraterrestrials without any real evidence that would undoubtedly reach such a conclusion.  Even radiation ect could be planted, though I wouldn't have the slightest clue why a government would be doing such.  But then as I've explained above it wouldn't make much sense for an alien species to do such either.

Essentially just because something is unexplainable doesn't mean you can conclude aliens, when there are many equally unlikely scenarios that could unfold.  You can't rationalize, you need evidence that would directly point to that conclusion. At least that's my feelings on the subject and the feelings of anyone legitimately involved in the field of science.


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Re: The official fringe sciences and ufo thread. [Re: THEBats]
    #464328 - 08/20/10 04:16 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

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Essentially just because something is unexplainable doesn't mean you can conclude aliens, when there are many equally unlikely scenarios that could unfold.  You can't rationalize, you need evidence that would directly point to that conclusion. At least that's my feelings on the subject and the feelings of anyone legitimately involved in the field of science.




Nice write up, bats.


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Re: The official fringe sciences and ufo thread. [Re: THEBats]
    #464352 - 08/20/10 04:33 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

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If they wanted to send us that message, and have already discovered our planet then there are more obvious ways they could accomplish this.  The only reasons we use universal symbols in our seti broadcast is to let aliens know intelligent life is out there.  If we had already discovered and were able to visit the planet I would doubt we, or other intelligent life, would try and communicate so clandestinely.

As I've said before there may exist UFOs and there may even exist unexplained crop circles, though I'm sure nearly two-thirds are easily explained, does not mean they are of extraterrestrial origin.  Maybe the government is making them to keep us distracted. :shrug:  Certainly doesn't seem any less probable then that of extraterrestrial origin.  Really that's what neal degrasse tyson was getting at in the video.  Not that there aren't unexplained things but that we reach conclusions of extraterrestrials without any real evidence that would undoubtedly reach such a conclusion.  Even radiation ect could be planted, though I wouldn't have the slightest clue why a government would be doing such.  But then as I've explained above it wouldn't make much sense for an alien species to do such either.

Essentially just because something is unexplainable doesn't mean you can conclude aliens, when there are many equally unlikely scenarios that could unfold.  You can't rationalize, you need evidence that would directly point to that conclusion. At least that's my feelings on the subject and the feelings of anyone legitimately involved in the field of science.




Listen I get the point you are trying to make, I do.
But simple remarks you make like this one "though I'm sure nearly two-thirds are easily explained" are terribly biased to on train
of thought. Where are the numbers to back a claim like that up?

Now with that said the are so very many things out there that cannot
be explained and or do not make any sense to us. We wonder we speculate
as to what these things could be and yes some people put ridiculous
claims on such events.

Now, you also said the following...
"If they wanted to send us that message, and have already discovered our planet then there are more obvious ways they could accomplish this.  The only reasons we use universal symbols in our seti broadcast is to let aliens know intelligent life is out there.  If we had already discovered and were able to visit the planet I would doubt we, or other intelligent life, would try and communicate so clandestinely."

This seems to me to be a perfect way to communicate with the people on this
planet but maybe only to thos who choose to listen. You have to think outside
the box on things like this. Dont worry you can still be rational :smile:
Maybe they choose to not interfere so directly. Maybe they cant or are not
allowed to. Some of these formations are absolutely incredible as ar as size
and the shear complexity the lies withing them and we see these things poping
up on a daily basis all over. http://www.cropcircleconnector.com/index2.html

I do not think government has anything to do with this. But you have to
question that I understand. But you also have to understand how these
formations were created. We are not talking about walking across the fields
with wooden planks here. So even if the government was behind these events
then we have to ask how. How could they have the technology to do this and
not tell us about it. I think that would be just as important as if it were
indeed beings from another planet.

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Re: The official fringe sciences and ufo thread. [Re: DeadHearts]
    #464373 - 08/20/10 04:43 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

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Essentially just because something is unexplainable doesn't mean you can conclude aliens, when there are many equally unlikely scenarios that could unfold.  You can't rationalize, you need evidence that would directly point to that conclusion. At least that's my feelings on the subject and the feelings of anyone legitimately involved in the field of science.




You missed the conclusion


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    #464379 - 08/20/10 04:45 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

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King Koopa said:
Quote:

THEBats said:
Essentially just because something is unexplainable doesn't mean you can conclude aliens, when there are many equally unlikely scenarios that could unfold.  You can't rationalize, you need evidence that would directly point to that conclusion. At least that's my feelings on the subject and the feelings of anyone legitimately involved in the field of science.




You missed the conclusion




No, I did not.

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Re: The official fringe sciences and ufo thread. [Re: DeadHearts]
    #464381 - 08/20/10 04:47 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

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DeadHearts said:
Quote:

THEBats said:
If they wanted to send us that message, and have already discovered our planet then there are more obvious ways they could accomplish this.  The only reasons we use universal symbols in our seti broadcast is to let aliens know intelligent life is out there.  If we had already discovered and were able to visit the planet I would doubt we, or other intelligent life, would try and communicate so clandestinely.

As I've said before there may exist UFOs and there may even exist unexplained crop circles, though I'm sure nearly two-thirds are easily explained, does not mean they are of extraterrestrial origin.  Maybe the government is making them to keep us distracted. :shrug:  Certainly doesn't seem any less probable then that of extraterrestrial origin.  Really that's what neal degrasse tyson was getting at in the video.  Not that there aren't unexplained things but that we reach conclusions of extraterrestrials without any real evidence that would undoubtedly reach such a conclusion.  Even radiation ect could be planted, though I wouldn't have the slightest clue why a government would be doing such.  But then as I've explained above it wouldn't make much sense for an alien species to do such either.

Essentially just because something is unexplainable doesn't mean you can conclude aliens, when there are many equally unlikely scenarios that could unfold.  You can't rationalize, you need evidence that would directly point to that conclusion. At least that's my feelings on the subject and the feelings of anyone legitimately involved in the field of science.




Listen I get the point you are trying to make, I do.
But simple remarks you make like this one "though I'm sure nearly two-thirds are easily explained" are terribly biased to on train
of thought. Where are the numbers to back a claim like that up?

Now with that said the are so very many things out there that cannot
be explained and or do not make any sense to us. We wonder we speculate
as to what these things could be and yes some people put ridiculous
claims on such events.

Now, you also said the following...
"If they wanted to send us that message, and have already discovered our planet then there are more obvious ways they could accomplish this.  The only reasons we use universal symbols in our seti broadcast is to let aliens know intelligent life is out there.  If we had already discovered and were able to visit the planet I would doubt we, or other intelligent life, would try and communicate so clandestinely."

This seems to me to be a perfect way to communicate with the people on this
planet but maybe only to thos who choose to listen. You have to think outside
the box on things like this. Dont worry you can still be rational :smile:
Maybe they choose to not interfere so directly. Maybe they cant or are not
allowed to. Some of these formations are absolutely incredible as ar as size
and the shear complexity the lies withing them and we see these things poping
up on a daily basis all over. http://www.cropcircleconnector.com/index2.html

I do not think government has anything to do with this. But you have to
question that I understand. But you also have to understand how these
formations were created. We are not talking about walking across the fields
with wooden planks here. So even if the government was behind these events
then we have to ask how. How could they have the technology to do this and
not tell us about it. I think that would be just as important as if it were
indeed beings from another planet.




The remark on the two-thirds thing is a little biased, the train of thought for it comes from the fact that statistically speaking among amateur astronomers, who spend more time then the general population gazing at the sky, report fewer incidents of UFO sightings than that of the general population because of their ability to explain the objects.  Likewise we have to be wary of newspapers and even "crop circle investigators" because of their obvious bias.  Also somethings is always unexplainable before it can be explained. :shrug:

The minute you start using phrases like, "I do not think" or when you said, "So even if the government was behind these events then we have to ask how. How could they have the technology to do this and
not tell us about it" then you begin going against "thinking outside the box" that you suggested I myself do.  The difference being is that I have not reached a conclusion.


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    #464389 - 08/20/10 04:57 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

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The remark on the two-thirds thing is a little biased, the train of thought for it comes from the fact that statistically speaking among amateur astronomers, who spend more time then the general population gazing at the sky, report fewer incidents of UFO sightings than that of the general population because of their ability to explain the objects.  Likewise we have to be wary of newspapers and even "crop circle investigators" because of their obvious bias.  Also somethings is always unexplainable before it can be explained. :shrug:

The minute you start using phrases like, "I do not think" or when you said, "So even if the government was behind these events then we have to ask how. How could they have the technology to do this and
not tell us about it" then you begin going against "thinking outside the box" that you suggested I myself do.  The difference being is that I have not reached a conclusion.




Well these astronomers actually can only see a very small fraction of the sky
at any givin time anyways so that is not a good argument. Definitely hope
I am not coming off as a prick because that is not my intention.
And of course you have to be weary of reports and everything that goes along
with them. There is no doubt about that but that is not to say one cannot
set aside the bullshit. 

Im not sure I understand how Im not thinking outside the box because I
believe the government is not behind it. Its takes a little bit of different
thinking to even question that in the first place as far as I am concerned.

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    #464398 - 08/20/10 05:08 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

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DeadHearts said:
Quote:

THEBats said:


The remark on the two-thirds thing is a little biased, the train of thought for it comes from the fact that statistically speaking among amateur astronomers, who spend more time then the general population gazing at the sky, report fewer incidents of UFO sightings than that of the general population because of their ability to explain the objects.  Likewise we have to be wary of newspapers and even "crop circle investigators" because of their obvious bias.  Also somethings is always unexplainable before it can be explained. :shrug:

The minute you start using phrases like, "I do not think" or when you said, "So even if the government was behind these events then we have to ask how. How could they have the technology to do this and
not tell us about it" then you begin going against "thinking outside the box" that you suggested I myself do.  The difference being is that I have not reached a conclusion.




Well these astronomers actually can only see a very small fraction of the sky
at any givin time anyways so that is not a good argument. Definitely hope
I am not coming off as a prick because that is not my intention.
And of course you have to be weary of reports and everything that goes along
with them. There is no doubt about that but that is not to say one cannot
set aside the bullshit. 

Im not sure I understand how Im not thinking outside the box because I
believe the government is not behind it. Its takes a little bit of different
thinking to even question that in the first place as far as I am concerned.




Yes but they're all over the world.  And they spend their times looking and scanning the night sky, with might I add more advanced optical equipment.  So yes it is a good argument to say that UFO sightings occur more often among the general population because of the misidentification of astronomical objects.

Also the comment about you not thinking out of the box comes from you concluding UFO's rather than the government.  Why would UFO's be a more likely scenario?  You also forget that I am NOT concluding anything.  But I am saying that there are plenty of scenarios available just as unlikely to be the cause as extraterrestrials and that by discounting possible government involvement you are closing yourself off to a possible conclusion.

Also you're not coming off as a prick at all.  I rather enjoy trying to explain the reason science has this viewpoint on extraterrestrials and more importantly why I also share this viewpoint.

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    #464399 - 08/20/10 05:21 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

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Yes but they're all over the world.  And they spend their times looking and scanning the night sky, with might I add more advanced optical equipment.  So yes it is a good argument to say that UFO sightings occur more often among the general population because of the misidentification of astronomical objects.





Yes but still only a very small part of the sky is monitored at any
given time. But yes due to the number of people on this planet there
are bound to be many faux reports. But like many have said. It would
only take ONE genuine report. I believe there has already been many.
How do you disregard the reports of hundreds of government officials
from all over the world. We are talking anywhere from astronauts to
police officers.


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Also the comment about you not thinking out of the box comes from you concluding UFO's rather than the government.  Why would UFO's be a more likely scenario?  You also forget that I am NOT concluding anything.  But I am saying that there are plenty of scenarios available just as unlikely to be the cause as extraterrestrials and that by discounting possible government involvement you are closing yourself off to a possible conclusion.





Why? because of the freakish anomaly's found in the stalks and dirt only
found in the formation area. No other natural occurrence is known in this
world that can be viewed in a similar way. Except if you create certain
tones underneath a flat laying bed of water. But thats not a natural event :wink:
Some people believe this is how they may be created because of the connection to the fact that most of these formations are found to be on top
of underground bodies of water. What technology do we currently have to make
that happen?

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Also you're not coming off as a prick at all.  I rather enjoy trying to explain the reason science has this viewpoint on extraterrestrials and more importantly why I also share this viewpoint.




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    #464404 - 08/20/10 05:35 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

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Yes but still only a very small part of the sky is monitored at any
given time.

It would only take ONE genuine report.

How do you disregard the reports of hundreds of government officials
from all over the world. We are talking anywhere from astronauts to
police officers.







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Why? because of the freakish anomaly's found in the stalks and dirt only
found in the formation area. No other natural occurrence is known in this
world that can be viewed in a similar way. Except if you create certain
tones underneath a flat laying bed of water. But thats not a natural event :wink:
Some people believe this is how they may be created because of the connection to the fact that most of these formations are found to be on top
of underground bodies of water. What technology do we currently have to make
that happen?






I've never heard if this. Where can read I read about this?


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    #464405 - 08/20/10 05:38 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

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Quote:

THEBats said:
Yes but they're all over the world.  And they spend their times looking and scanning the night sky, with might I add more advanced optical equipment.  So yes it is a good argument to say that UFO sightings occur more often among the general population because of the misidentification of astronomical objects.





Yes but still only a very small part of the sky is monitored at any
given time. But yes due to the number of people on this planet there
are bound to be many faux reports. But like many have said. It would
only take ONE genuine report. I believe there has already been many.
How do you disregard the reports of hundreds of government officials
from all over the world. We are talking anywhere from astronauts to
police officers.


Quote:

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Also the comment about you not thinking out of the box comes from you concluding UFO's rather than the government.  Why would UFO's be a more likely scenario?  You also forget that I am NOT concluding anything.  But I am saying that there are plenty of scenarios available just as unlikely to be the cause as extraterrestrials and that by discounting possible government involvement you are closing yourself off to a possible conclusion.





Why? because of the freakish anomaly's found in the stalks and dirt only
found in the formation area. No other natural occurrence is known in this
world that can be viewed in a similar way. Except if you create certain
tones underneath a flat laying bed of water. But thats not a natural event :wink:
Some people believe this is how they may be created because of the connection to the fact that most of these formations are found to be on top
of underground bodies of water. What technology do we currently have to make
that happen?

Quote:

THEBats said:
Also you're not coming off as a prick at all.  I rather enjoy trying to explain the reason science has this viewpoint on extraterrestrials and more importantly why I also share this viewpoint.




:thumbup:




Human testimony is the worst evidence that could be presented.  Also I hate to bring up the tyson video again but: "We are talking anywhere from astronauts to police officers."  They're still human, their brains are capable of the same logical fallacies as anyone of us.  Mental errors really aren't too different from optical illusions.  Our brains can be tricked and in any scientific sense eyewitness testimony is useless.  Scary that the courts do not feel this way.

Kind of an interesting tidbit about psychology, though off topic, is that the more details that someone recalls the less accurate their testimony will be.  Inversely however they are more believable in a court of law if they report more details.

Anyways, back on topic, it still comes down to evidence we can hold, prove and verify.  Also as far as technology the government has, how would I know?  The government has withheld many designs that they've later released public.  I'm also not in anyway a physicist so I could not possibly explain how it could occur otherwise.  But again I stress that does not mean there can't be other explanations.  Logic and rationalization can only go to far.


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you know what i did in english class? I came to class stoned out of my mind every day, i chugged vodka in the back of class, i put dead fish in the ceiling tiles. i put a gallon of old milk and orange juice in the file cabinet before winter vacation. i brought snakes in a tied up sweater and let them loose during class. i didnt go to school to learn, i went because i had to. i didnt care, and i didn't fucking listen to that stupid bitch. and i still don't fucking care. i tore the pages out of her books and burned them, and threw away all the books in the class, two books per day.  :twobooks:

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    #464406 - 08/20/10 05:38 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

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I've never heard if this. Where can read I read about this?




What are you pertaining to? The dirt? The stalks? Or the water??

If its the water it may take me a while to find it. Possibly do you own
search??

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    #464408 - 08/20/10 05:43 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

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Anyways, back on topic, it still comes down to evidence we can hold, prove and verify.  Also as far as technology the government has, how would I know?  The government has withhold many designs that they've later released.  I'm also not in anyway a physicist so I could not possibly explain how it could occur otherwise.  But again I stress that does not mean there can't be other explanations.  Logic and rationalization can only go to far.




Yes I understand there may be other explanations and I also except that.
But for me, its not that irrational at all to believe that were are in some
way being visited. We are still wearing our cosmic diapers. We may not be
the first on this planet and we may not be the last.

But we cant keep this debate up for much longer. Sad to say there is only
so much for us to bring to the table here. Maybe agree to disagree for now

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    #464409 - 08/20/10 05:48 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

Agreed.  I don't think it's irrational to believe such.  Just as an admirer of science and psychologist in training I must try my best and practice separating rationalities from empirical evidence.


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you know what i did in english class? I came to class stoned out of my mind every day, i chugged vodka in the back of class, i put dead fish in the ceiling tiles. i put a gallon of old milk and orange juice in the file cabinet before winter vacation. i brought snakes in a tied up sweater and let them loose during class. i didnt go to school to learn, i went because i had to. i didnt care, and i didn't fucking listen to that stupid bitch. and i still don't fucking care. i tore the pages out of her books and burned them, and threw away all the books in the class, two books per day.  :twobooks:

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    #464410 - 08/20/10 05:50 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

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No other natural occurrence is known in this
world that can be viewed in a similar way. Except if you create certain
tones underneath a flat laying bed of water. But thats not a natural event
Some people believe this is how they may be created because of the connection to the fact that most of these formations are found to be on top
of underground bodies of water.




I cant find anything on this.:sad:


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    #464414 - 08/20/10 06:03 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

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King Koopa said:
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No other natural occurrence is known in this
world that can be viewed in a similar way. Except if you create certain
tones underneath a flat laying bed of water. But thats not a natural event
Some people believe this is how they may be created because of the connection to the fact that most of these formations are found to be on top
of underground bodies of water.




I cant find anything on this.:sad:




Try this out for now. Keep in mind this is not where I first read about
this information.
http://www.dreamscape.com/morgana/belinda.htm

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    #464415 - 08/20/10 06:06 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

Quote:

King Koopa said:
Quote:

No other natural occurrence is known in this
world that can be viewed in a similar way. Except if you create certain
tones underneath a flat laying bed of water. But thats not a natural event
Some people believe this is how they may be created because of the connection to the fact that most of these formations are found to be on top
of underground bodies of water.




I cant find anything on this.:sad:




Try this out for now. Keep in mind this is not where I first read about
this information.
http://www.dreamscape.com/morgana/belinda.htm

http://www.cropcircleconnector.com/anasazi/sounds1.html

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    #464417 - 08/20/10 06:10 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

There are a number of observations that have been made over the years that seem to indicate that there are particular characteristics that "genuine" (or non-mandmade) formations appear to exhibit. Some of the observations are listed below:


In what kind of crops do they occur?Crop circles have been reported in mostly barley and wheat. But, they also appear in corn, oats, oilseed rape (canola), grass, ricefields, trees, sand, and even snow.

Where do they appear? They have appeared on almost every continent and in over 70 countries worldwide -- including the US, Canada, Australia, Brasil, Russia, India, Germany, and South Africa. There seems to be a correlation with many forming near ancient sites.

Physical changes of plants and soil - not only does the physical appearance of seem to change (it looks dehydrated), but there is change at the molecular level. Research has been conducted over a ten year period with samples and thorough laboratory testing carried out by the biophysicist Dr. Levengood, Nancy Talbott, and John Burks -- the BLT Research Team, and a small army of volunteers worldwide. Their findings include enlarged cell walls, expulsion cavities in the nodes of the plant stalks, significantly extended node lengths, and changes to the soil composition (ie. vastly higher level of magnetite concentration) from samples taken within the crop formations in contrast to the control samples taken from outside the circles.
Reported increase in crop yield - Some farmers and researchers have independently reported greater yield in the years following the appearance of formations in their fields. In 1997, Tim Carson who farms East Field (where the "DNA" formation appeared in 1996) reported to researchers that his yield was up 30-40%. The increased yield that usually only comes with annual rehybridization (done in labs) remains the same level even in up to 5th generation crops coming from crop circles, according to researcher Steve Purkaple.

Swirl in multiple directions - many formations have complex woven patterns of the swirled crops. Not only do the plants in the formation swirl clockwise or counter-clockwise, but sometimes certain sections will swirl one direction and layers on top are going another direction. They sometimes even have multiple layers swirled in different directions.

Woven stalks - Other times the stalks are actually woven like a piece of loose cloth on the floor of the formation. This has been observed by various researchers in the UK.

Selective swirling - Even though the edges are clearly defined, sometimes stalks from the outside edge are pulled into the formation. This doesn't seem to be too unusual, but actually certain stalks from the middle of a grouping of plants gets pulled in. The ones closest to the formation do not. And this occurs around the entire edge of the crop circle. Very meticulous!

Equipment malfunctions - There have been numerous reports of electronic equipment failing in crop circles and compasses spinning out of control in & over the crop circles (when flying over in aircraft). This range of equipment includes watches, mobile phones, batteries, cameras... fortunately no pacemakers yet! No explanations for these occurences, other than the indication of a strong EM field distortions.

Formations "transform" into new patterns - There have been instances where certain formations take on an entirely different appearance as they continue to grow in the field. For example, one formation got a wavy look within the center of the circle that wasn't there originally.

Unusual bending of plant stalks - It's a widely publicized fact that plants within a formation actually bend at the naturally occuring nodes 90 degrees. This can also happen in hoaxed formations where the plant is pressed to the ground and "bends" to reach towards the light. This process known as phototropism is more pronounced in younger stalks, often reaching up towards the light in 1-2 days. However, what isn't well-known is that there is more than one possible place for bent nodes. Some formations have had stalks all bent from the same node (there are up to a half dozen nodes on one plant). Some formations show bending at the knuckle closest to the ground, yet in a neighboring section they all bend two knuckles up and so on. In the line of ~24 circles in Windmill Hill in 2000, virtually all the stalks were bent 1/4" beneath the nodes, though at completely different heights (1" to 6" range) from the ground. This means that each stalk would have to be bent individually to give that effect.

Occur far from any tramlines - many formations and plain circular "grapeshots" often occur in the middle of fields far from any tramlines without any disturbance of the surrounding crop (which is detectable). Good example is the 1996 formation in Basingstoke, Hampshire where a circle with a ring was put inside the middle of an organic oilseed rape field that had no tramlines at all and the crop was 4-5 feet tall!

Formations occur inside restricted areas - numerous accounts of crop circles appearing inside military installations that are fenced off (quite securely!) from the surrounding area. Most noteably in Wiltshire along the Salisbury Plain. Are Doug and Dave in the Army?

Geophysical features - One common denominator of many of the crop formations is that they occur over underground water supplies and land situated above chalk beds, according to researcher Steve Page. Water is a good conductor of electrical current, and could possibly be channeling the electromagnetic currents of the Earth (which is what dowsers attempt to detect). This observation may have something to do with how some crop circles are formed.

Sacred geometry - Researchers have discovered layers within layers of information contained in the crop circles themselves. There are sacred ratios, such as phi, that governs the growth process of all organic life. This is an area that requires more attention and resources, as perhaps this understanding could reveal a message or at least "higher intelligence" behind these artistic patterns.

Physical side effects - Many people mention having some sort of physical reaction (positive or negative) during and after a visit to a crop formation. Side effects range from nausea, headaches, dizziness, tingling sensations, pains amd giddiness... to getting literally knocked off their feet! Sometimes the effects are felt only after leaving the formation, such as sickness or disruption to the mentrual cycle, which could be affected by the surge of energies absorbed from within the formation.
Alignment with natural features of the land - This isn't apparent from the ground, but aerial photographs have shown that often formations are imprinted on the earth in alignment with tram lines or even darkened sections on the earth. This is an impossiblity without been able to see "the big picture" before permanently laying out the design.


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    #466861 - 08/24/10 08:50 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

Famed Physicist Michio Kaku Says Close to a "Smoking Gun" on UFOs


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    #466893 - 08/24/10 09:22 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

UFOs 'On The Record': Generals, Pilots And Government Officials Talk About What They Know (PHOTOS)


http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/08/23/ufo-on-the-record_n_689518.html#s129350

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    #471689 - 09/03/10 12:52 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

After UK MOD UFO X-Files which had reveled UFO incidents ,that includes pilot's 'Near Miss' with UFO at Manchester Airport, UK and some top secret UFO facts like Churchill had ordered a 50-Year cover-up on UFOs fearing, it would create mass panic and destroy one's belief in the church. And yesterday Chinese Astronomer and USA Physicist had also told the world that UFO Are Real.

Now France - UFO Phenomenon is real and definitely extraterrestrial origin.

A new French report released on May 31, 2010 concluded that UFOs are definitely real and possibly of extraterrestrial origin.

The Progress Report of the Sigma/3AF Commission comes from a highly credible source, the Aeronautical & Astronomical Association of France, known as the 3AF, which established a Commission on Unidentified Aerial Phenomena back in May 2008.

The Commission’s President is Alain Boudier, a former French Defense attaché, and one of its key members is Jean-Gabriel Greslé, a former fighter pilot who studied at the U.S. Air Force Academy and later became an airliner pilot with Air France, where he experienced a couple of UFO sightings. Greslé has published three UFO books in France, including Unidentified Flying Objects: An Airline Pilot Talks (Guy Trédaniel, 1993).

The Sigma/3AF is not a final report but just a work in progress document; nevertheless, it provides good background material on the history of official UFO research in France, a balance of Sigma’s work during the last two years, a brief description of the most significant French cases, and some comments and conclusions. The report begins with a brief history of French official UFO research, which is quite extensive: “France is the only country where the collection of Unidentified Aerospace Phenomena (PAN in French) and its scientific study have been assigned since 1977 to a civilian official organization, the CNES (National Center for Space Studies, the French space agency) through the GEPAN study group.”

After a short description of this unit, now known as GEIPAN (Study and Information Group on Aerospace Unidentified Phenomena), the report outlines other official or quasi-official French studies, including the famous COMETA (Committee for In-Depth Studies) Report of 1999, issued by a group of high-ranking retired French military and intelligence officers, which concluded that UFOs were real and probably extraterrestrial.

Members of the Sigma/3AF Commission also met representatives of many other official French military and intelligence organizations that had some UFO involvement in the past. These included the National Gendarmerie, which has collected UFO reports systematically since the 1960s; the General Secretariat of National Defense, which issued an interesting report a few years ago (although I am not aware that it was ever released to the public); the Air Force; and one of France’s intelligence services, the General Directorate for External Security, which admitted through an “authorized source” that UFOs have been monitored by the agency since the early sixties.

The section on "the most important French cases" provides then a very short descriptions of the following according to "Sigma/3AF" outstanding five incidents:


  1. A mass UFO sighting in Madagascar in 1954
  2. The landing and close encounters in Valensole in 1965, which was documented by the police
  3. The no less famous landing in Trans-en-Provence in 1981
  4. A similar case from 1982 (both cases were investigated by the armored and were each published in their reports # 16 and # 17)
  5. The sighting of a UFO by several witnesses, between Biarritz and Strasbourg in 1990.

In the Comments section, the Sigma/3AF report uses unambiguous language, for instance: “No natural phenomenon can account for the majority of observation reports accompanied by electromagnetic detections made by one or several radars. Both the defense services and air traffic control have been confronted a number of times around the world with unknown aerial intrusions or artificially induced phenomena.”

Later on, the report goes on to say, “The behavior of these devices during encounters with fighter jets or interceptors – some have participated in real swirling battles in the U.S. – suggests they are controlled, guided or led by particularly sophisticated automation.” And then again, “the air superiority of the craft concerned, if they are indeed crafts, is such that none of the many interceptions which have been made against them, in the United States for example, have been able to overcome one of these devices.”

After outlining a number of characteristics exhibited by UFOs, such as “remarkable accelerations of the craft right after a stationary mode,” the report indicates: “We feel that we must reject the thesis of a terrestrial origin for all the observations made since World War Two. Indeed, if a nation of the world had been able to secretly develop such an armada of exotic craft, like those observed for more than half a century, the means of analysis and strategic logistics available would have permitted their rapid identification.

The illegal overflights which they have been guilty of conducting could constitute a casus belli [cause for war].” The Sigma/3AF experts go on to state that, “the above features suggest that in many cases the devices detected, far from being unidentified, are easily recognizable by the aerial defense agencies as part of a technology far ahead of ours.” And later: “We have been unable to get any serious indication as to the origin of the aerospace phenomena that is the subject of our research. The technological elements that we selected… allow us to draw some assumptions about the aircraft in question, which do not seem to belong to an identifiable terrestrial technology at the times when they were observed.”

The Sigma/3AF report finally agrees with COMETA’s conclusion that we are probably facing an ET presence. That conclusion was quite controversial for a semi-official study like COMETA back in 1999 and was criticized by many in the French press. Yet the Sigma/3AF Commission found no quarrel with it.

“Thus, the central hypothesis proposed by the COMETA report still cannot be rejected up to this day and remains perfectly credible,” they wrote. “Many documents and materials examined by the authors of this report confirm it. We have therefore retained, among some others but only as a working hypothesis, the possibility that most of the craft observed can have a non-terrestrial origin.”

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