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First Grow - 400w, custom hydro flood n drain, scrog, Power Skunk&Power Haze (23Jan10) *DELETED*
    #307696 - 11/01/09 11:37 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Re: First Grow - 400w, custom hydro flood n drain, Power Skunk & Power Haze [Re: TomCollins]
    #307746 - 11/01/09 01:45 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Looking good man. Glad to see the plants are improving so much.


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Re: First Grow - 400w, custom hydro flood n drain, Power Skunk & Power Haze [Re: Azyle00]
    #307750 - 11/01/09 02:15 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Hey your res is gonna fuck up your grow, just go to a hardware store and get black spray paint for plastics and give that thing like 5 coats. Thats what I did for this old school ebb&flo system I made years back and it worked perfect.


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Re: First Grow - 400w, custom hydro flood n drain, Power Skunk & Power Haze *DELETED* [Re: TheShroomJew23]
    #307751 - 11/01/09 02:21 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Re: First Grow - 400w, custom hydro flood n drain, Power Skunk & Power Haze [Re: TomCollins]
    #307754 - 11/01/09 02:29 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

I read that man, I was just saying that its also a very easy fix.


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Re: First Grow - 400w, custom hydro flood n drain, Power Skunk & Power Haze [Re: TheShroomJew23]
    #307757 - 11/01/09 02:42 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

I realize it's an easy fix. In fact I think I even said that myself. However, rather the going down the cheap route, I think the plants would benefit from water constantly being filtered and oxygenated. Not only that, but read up on some of the stuff subculture does. 

I think it's very evident, I'm quick at fixing a problem if it needs fixing. If I wanted a quick and easy fix, that rez would have already been ripped out. That's not the route I'm going however.


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Re: First Grow - 400w, custom hydro flood n drain, Power Skunk & Power Haze [Re: TomCollins]
    #307816 - 11/01/09 05:33 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Ok man, keep updating your grow. I will be watching.


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Re: First Grow - 400w, custom hydro flood n drain, Power Skunk & Power Haze [Re: TheShroomJew23]
    #308395 - 11/02/09 07:59 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

- Update -


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Re: First Grow - 400w, custom hydro flood n drain, Power Skunk & Power Haze [Re: TomCollins]
    #310440 - 11/05/09 07:36 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Update.


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Re: First Grow - 400w, custom hydro flood n drain, Power Skunk & Power Haze [Re: TomCollins]
    #313032 - 11/09/09 11:03 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

:billymaythumbup: I'll keep an eye on this grow.


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Re: First Grow - 400w, custom hydro flood n drain, Power Skunk & Power Haze [Re: Cannaboid]
    #314596 - 11/12/09 09:13 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Re: First Grow - 400w, custom hydro flood n drain, Power Skunk & Power Haze [Re: Triptonic]
    #316148 - 11/15/09 09:37 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Still watching, sucks that males came up. :hissyfit:


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Re: First Grow - 400w, custom hydro flood n drain, Power Skunk & Power Haze [Re: Cannaboid]
    #316153 - 11/15/09 09:40 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Whatever dude. It's my first grow and I made a pile of mistakes that isn't even funny to look at. I'm just happy right now that emerging from the horrific neglect and stupidity that these plants endured for the first few weeks of their lives, I have two awesome female plants.

Next grow, I won't make as many mistakes.


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Re: First Grow - 400w, custom hydro flood n drain, Power Skunk & Power Haze [Re: TomCollins]
    #316275 - 11/15/09 11:20 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

So how far into flowering are you?

How much more can you raise your lights?  Those plants are going to double in height still if you just began flowering... Be careful dude, those plants are going to be too large for that grow space if you don't do some SERIOUS training to them.  Not criticizing but I noticed it's your first grow and you may not understand how much they stretch and bush out after you switch the lights for the first 4-5 weeks.

Nice grow so far though!  Just make sure you have room and switch the damn lights already before those plants are 6' tall and you are much too overcrowded!


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Re: First Grow - 400w, custom hydro flood n drain, Power Skunk & Power Haze [Re: Inverted]
    #316288 - 11/15/09 11:28 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

You need to implement scrog.  I think the plants have been stretching too much all their lives. Can you implement a scrog and have a "ceiling" for all future growth at the minimum light distance?

Your plants have really grown though from when you first started posting pics, looking good.


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Re: First Grow - 400w, custom hydro flood n drain, Power Skunk & Power Haze [Re: Azyle00]
    #316400 - 11/16/09 08:11 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Yeah I thought the sativa plants looked a bit stretched as well. Their branching is really think though, and I've been tying them down more. I don't get it, I had the light right up close for a long long time. I think if I grow haze again, I'll install a scrog somehow.


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Re: First Grow - 400w, custom hydro flood n drain, Power Skunk & Power Haze [Re: Inverted]
    #316408 - 11/16/09 10:16 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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So how far into flowering are you?

How much more can you raise your lights?  Those plants are going to double in height still if you just began flowering... Be careful dude, those plants are going to be too large for that grow space if you don't do some SERIOUS training to them.  Not criticizing but I noticed it's your first grow and you may not understand how much they stretch and bush out after you switch the lights for the first 4-5 weeks.

Nice grow so far though!  Just make sure you have room and switch the damn lights already before those plants are 6' tall and you are much too overcrowded!




Sorry, I didn't catch your post yesterday. Holy shit, they still grow during flowering? Omfg. I thought I was sort of peaking out here. I haven't even started flowering man. I don't plan to for another week or so too. I want to be sure all the plants are developed enough. Plus I still have yet to build my air filtration system, and I have to light tight the closet still! Thanks though for letting me know! I've been doing quite a bit of tying, but more so just to pull branches off of one another. Fuuuck.... wow, I hate it how clueless I am. I'll try and do much more tying down. It's hard though... not much to tie down to.


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Re: First Grow - 400w, custom hydro flood n drain, Power Skunk & Power Haze [Re: TomCollins]
    #316455 - 11/16/09 12:33 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

What Inverted said, you need to flip those to 12/12 ASAP. The longer you wait the more likely you are to seriously regret it. If you start flowering today and supercrop during the stretch you might be ok, but that is not much more room to work with.

They don't appear to be topped either, you should do that now since they are still in veg. That will stunt vertical growth near the top for a while and allow the plant to bush out and bulk up.


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Re: First Grow - 400w, custom hydro flood n drain, Power Skunk & Power Haze [Re: Crusty Ass Bastard]
    #316466 - 11/16/09 01:42 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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206 said:
What Inverted said, you need to flip those to 12/12 ASAP. The longer you wait the more likely you are to seriously regret it. If you start flowering today and supercrop during the stretch you might be ok, but that is not much more room to work with.




I'm not comfortable switching over today. I will wait until the end of this week. I still have more work to do on the closet. Until then I will be tying down more aggressively. Like I said, I still need to install a vent and filtration system, and light proof the closet. Without doing this, I feel that the plants would be in more danger than if I were to wait a few more days.

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206 said:They don't appear to be topped either, you should do that now since they are still in veg. That will stunt vertical growth near the top for a while and allow the plant to bush out and bulk up.




I disagree. In fact, I think this is the worst advice you could give someone this far into vegetation. This is a great method very early into vegetation, and I'm very excited to do this in my next grow; however, the stress could fuck the plants up at this point. Not only that, but your telling me to top them and then switch to 12/12. Sorry, that sounds like a bad idea to me.

Golden rule, as I understand is no stress for the last 2 weeks of veg. Also, one of them has been topped - didn't seem to slow it down too heavily.

In any case, I'm definitely not switching today - I'm simply not ready and I'm definitely not topping them. I'm going to do a lot more tying down tonight.


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Re: First Grow - 400w, custom hydro flood n drain, Power Skunk & Power Haze [Re: TomCollins]
    #316496 - 11/16/09 02:54 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Ya dont top, you can wait a while to switch to flowering if you want to man. It wont hurt the plants any. Like you said tie them down and the bottom branches will get more light. Plus its low stress.


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Re: First Grow - 400w, custom hydro flood n drain, Power Skunk & Power Haze [Re: Triptonic]
    #316500 - 11/16/09 02:59 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

I just need to get the closet ready that's all. I really don't feel prepared.

My plan was to switch right around the 30 veg marker. It's been 26.... so that's why I'm not really where I guess I should be.


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Re: First Grow - 400w, custom hydro flood n drain, Power Skunk & Power Haze [Re: TomCollins]
    #316502 - 11/16/09 03:00 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Dont worry about it man, it wont do any damage to have them veg for a little longer. But I would tie them down.


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Re: First Grow - 400w, custom hydro flood n drain, Power Skunk & Power Haze [Re: Triptonic]
    #316510 - 11/16/09 03:09 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Got it. Thanks a lot man. :smile:


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Re: First Grow - 400w, custom hydro flood n drain, Power Skunk & Power Haze [Re: Triptonic]
    #316886 - 11/16/09 09:04 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Dont worry about it man, it wont do any damage to have them veg for a little longer. But I would tie them down.




You're missing the point here man.  I've dealt with this problem in the exact situation before and it's more of a bitch than you think to have the plants get much larger than you expect.  There's only so much tying down you can do.

The plants don't grow new branches/tops much during flowering but the spacing between the internodes will increase dramatically, and this goes for the spacing on the secondary branches as well.  They will probably get 50-75% taller but much more dense and bushier width-wise and thickness of vegetation.

I'm worried about overcrowding and lack of space, resulting in light bleaching and/burning to the plants which is serious.

I know growing them another week won't really harm them, but the results down the road could be harmful to the overall grow.  Yield is the only thing that will improve w/ longer veg. time.

Plants can be flowered from seed, although people will always tell you to wait for alternating nodes as this is the plant telling you it's sexually mature and ready to go through the flowering cycle.  I do not base my flowering on this at all, but have in the past.

The longer you wait the more branching and budsites you will get.  If you flower as a seedling the plants don't get a chance to build the normal plant structure, so there will be minimal branching and one main cola/terminal tip.

This can be a very beneficial way to grow because you conserve space (smaller pots, narrow plants) and can pack the plants together, ultimately getting a larger yield with more, smaller plants in the same grow space.

Large plants are a waste of space because the wasted time and space could be potentially used and thus a higher yield in a shorter amount of time is possible.

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Re: First Grow - 400w, custom hydro flood n drain, Power Skunk & Power Haze [Re: Inverted]
    #316890 - 11/16/09 09:07 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

My point is, is that it wont hurt to veg. like that one dude was saying. Yea his plants are going to get big. But if he can't get his lights setup like he said than there really is'nt anything he can do about it, now is there?


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Re: First Grow - 400w, custom hydro flood n drain, Power Skunk & Power Haze [Re: Inverted]
    #316899 - 11/16/09 09:10 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Well... as a temporary solution, all I can do is tie them down. I think I'm going to install a scrog on a chain pulley system. But it's going to be a little while before I can get that in there.

I still have space to pull the light up - but not far.


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Re: First Grow - 400w, custom hydro flood n drain, Power Skunk & Power Haze [Re: TomCollins]
    #316913 - 11/16/09 09:13 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Tie them down. Look for LST techniques on here its very good.


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Re: First Grow - 400w, custom hydro flood n drain, Power Skunk & Power Haze [Re: Triptonic]
    #316928 - 11/16/09 09:24 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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My point is, is that it wont hurt to veg. like that one dude was saying. Yea his plants are going to get big. But if he can't get his lights setup like he said than there really is'nt anything he can do about it, now is there?




Uhhh yeah there is plenty he can do about it.

He can tie the shit out of them and pray that they aren't a stretchy phenotype...  He also needs to flower ASAP.

I know what i'm talking about. 

This is before flowering...

     
It's the bigger one of the last pic...

A couple weeks into 12/12...

     

Getting too large for growbox...



This is after...

 

You get the point yet...


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Re: First Grow - 400w, custom hydro flood n drain, Power Skunk & Power Haze [Re: Inverted]
    #316931 - 11/16/09 09:25 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

It was about 5-6 inches tall, tied down when flowering began,

After she finished, I measured her at about 22 inches tall... They can really stretch on you during the flowering cycle, you just need to understand this.


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Re: First Grow - 400w, custom hydro flood n drain, Power Skunk & Power Haze [Re: Inverted]
    #316934 - 11/16/09 09:28 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

I understand. I'm on it. :thumbup:


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Re: First Grow - 400w, custom hydro flood n drain, Power Skunk & Power Haze [Re: Inverted]
    #316950 - 11/16/09 09:53 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Inverted you didnt read all of my posts did you? I told him to tie it down earlier. In fact I dont think you read his posts either about him not being able to flower for a little while.


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Re: First Grow - 400w, custom hydro flood n drain, Power Skunk & Power Haze [Re: Triptonic]
    #316975 - 11/16/09 10:42 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Yes but inverted posted pics, and they were worth it. 

LST begins at 7 inch for me in 10 inch pot and I fully expect 30 inch canopy before I finish.  And that might even be a low estimate.

Spency's grow is like a good drama show really though.  This week's episode is called: "Honey, I shrunk the closet!"


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Re: First Grow - 400w, custom hydro flood n drain, Power Skunk & Power Haze [Re: Azyle00]
    #316981 - 11/16/09 10:47 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Spency's grow is like a good drama show really though.  This week's episode is called: "Honey, I shrunk the closet!"



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Re: First Grow - 400w, custom hydro flood n drain, Power Skunk & Power Haze [Re: TomCollins]
    #317026 - 11/17/09 12:09 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

You seem to be taking good advice (atleast by Inverted and I) as some kind of slight against your techniques. I'm just an experienced grower offering advice on how to best salvage a harvest.

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I disagree. In fact, I think this is the worst advice you could give someone this far into vegetation. This is a great method very early into vegetation, and I'm very excited to do this in my next grow; however, the stress could fuck the plants up at this point. Not only that, but your telling me to top them and then switch to 12/12. Sorry, that sounds like a bad idea to me




These plants were topped 35 days ago, the same day they entered 12/12. See how the lower branches are thick and strong and almost reached the canopy? Stress is not a word these plants are familiar with. This is just a real example, not hypothesis, mind you.

I'm not advocating that everyone top their plants, just to be clear. I'm suggesting that those who overveg, as you have done, have no reason not to. You can only tie down so much, but do what you will and learn as you go. Feel like I have to be a dick just to hammer home good advice, but yeah.


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Re: First Grow - 400w, custom hydro flood n drain, Power Skunk & Power Haze [Re: Crusty Ass Bastard]
    #317029 - 11/17/09 12:18 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

:thumbup:

Well said.  How old and tall were those plants when you flipped them?  Nice grow Dr.!


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Re: First Grow - 400w, custom hydro flood n drain, Power Skunk & Power Haze [Re: Inverted]
    #317071 - 11/17/09 01:57 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Dude, that cool tube thing looks awesome! Oh man, I wish I could go buy it tommorrow... as soon as my new vent system is built, that is the first thing I'm buying. :smile:




That's quoted from a different thread, but I didn't want to muddy up someone else's grow journal commenting about yours. Just keep in mind when you're doing your current ventilation system that the cooltube will need its own fan as well as its own intake and exhaust. You could consider an all in one ventilation system where air from the growspace is pulled through the cooltube and exhausted outside the grow area. That isn't necessarily the ideal configuration, but it could be effective with a large enough fan.


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Re: First Grow - 400w, custom hydro flood n drain, Power Skunk & Power Haze [Re: Crusty Ass Bastard]
    #317112 - 11/17/09 06:59 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Dude, You like drama dont you. Spency go here http://www.growery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/239250#239250 Decide what you want to do from there. It shows proper topping procedures and low stress training and a whole bunch of other things. Decide what you want to do from the guides.


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Re: First Grow - 400w, custom hydro flood n drain, Power Skunk & Power Haze [Re: Crusty Ass Bastard]
    #317117 - 11/17/09 08:13 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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You seem to be taking good advice (atleast by Inverted and I) as some kind of slight against your techniques. I'm just an experienced grower offering advice on how to best salvage a harvest.




No I agree with all of you in regards to the fact that I need to start flowering asap. Different people have offered me multiple solutions to the issue of growth and I honestly feel for some one as inexperienced as me, topping is bad advice. I can see that it works, I'm just really afraid of doing it. I want to try an alternative method first. 

I'm sorry for attacking you earlier. Everything I've ever read about growing says even pruning this far into veg is just waay too much stress for the plants - that's why I disagreed with you. I stand corrected however, the method seems to work! However, these plants have gone through a lot - I'm lucky as fuck to be looking at what I'm looking at and for them to be females. I'm just very nervous about topping and feel very uncomfortable doing it right now. I can see you genuinely gave me good advice, but I want to go with an alternative method for the time being.

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These plants were topped 35 days ago, the same day they entered 12/12. See how the lower branches are thick and strong and almost reached the canopy? Stress is not a word these plants are familiar with. This is just a real example, not hypothesis, mind you.

I'm not advocating that everyone top their plants, just to be clear. I'm suggesting that those who overveg, as you have done, have no reason not to. You can only tie down so much, but do what you will and learn as you go. Feel like I have to be a dick just to hammer home good advice, but yeah.




Like I said, I just need to prepare my closet. Thank you for your advice, and I'm very impressed with that plant! I thought you were full of crap, but now I stand corrected sir. :smile:

However, several different methods as to how to solve my problem have been given to me. I think I'm going to implement a scrog. I still feel topping is a bit risky, only because some of the plants haven't even shown their sex yet and the grow is only 26 days old. Everything I've read says even pruning might be too stressful this far into growth. I want to do everything right, but I feel topping is something my inexperienced hands are just not prepared to do at this point.

Like I said, I can't wait to do it in my next grow. I think this scrog thing will be a good solution to the problem though. I suppose we'll only know when I install it. I just need a few more days until I get paid, that's all.

Also, like I said: One of the plants was actually topped a few weeks ago. I'm only having issues with two of my plants in height. I think I can manage tying down for the time being.

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Dude, that cool tube thing looks awesome! Oh man, I wish I could go buy it tommorrow... as soon as my new vent system is built, that is the first thing I'm buying. :smile:




That's quoted from a different thread, but I didn't want to muddy up someone else's grow journal commenting about yours. Just keep in mind when you're doing your current ventilation system that the cooltube will need its own fan as well as its own intake and exhaust. You could consider an all in one ventilation system where air from the growspace is pulled through the cooltube and exhausted outside the grow area. That isn't necessarily the ideal configuration, but it could be effective with a large enough fan.




The cool tube is actually very far down the road now... as now I want to install a scrog on a chain and pulley system, then my closet ventilation, some more PH stuff and of course I need to eat too. :undecided:


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Re: First Grow - 400w, custom hydro flood n drain, Power Skunk & Power Haze [Re: TomCollins]
    #317138 - 11/17/09 10:25 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Well raising and lowering the scrog screen is defeating the point of the scrog...

You want that stationary so that the plants are forced to branch beneath, with only the tops sticking through so that everything is at one level.  This can also be achieved with careful and skilled tying down techniques.  As 206 said, you can get the hormones to transfer to the lower branches, thus stopping vertical growth and allowing the lower branches to become rather large and match the main top in height and cola size.  Yields will be higher when done properly as well.

You are doing great!  Just flower when you can it's no rush, and don't feel like you have to put a bunch of money into your grow.  I've had successful grows with absolutely 0$ before.  Just using stuff I already have.


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Re: First Grow - 400w, custom hydro flood n drain, Power Skunk & Power Haze [Re: Inverted]
    #317140 - 11/17/09 10:29 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

:facepalm: Inverted thats what I have been telling him all along yet you continue to disagree and fight with me.


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Re: First Grow - 400w, custom hydro flood n drain, Power Skunk & Power Haze [Re: Inverted]
    #317143 - 11/17/09 10:42 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Well raising and lowering the scrog screen is defeating the point of the scrog...

You want that stationary so that the plants are forced to branch beneath, with only the tops sticking through so that everything is at one level.  This can also be achieved with careful and skilled tying down techniques.  As 206 said, you can get the hormones to transfer to the lower branches, thus stopping vertical growth and allowing the lower branches to become rather large and match the main top in height and cola size.  Yields will be higher when done properly as well.





Well it's being mounted by chain and pulleys so that it's adjustable, but more so because I simply have nowhere accessible to really screw it down to. So I figured hanging it wouldn't be a terrible idea, and while I'm at it, I might as well install it on pulleys. I guess I would never need to adjust it. But I think it would allow for easy access in between grows. I dunno.... one way or another, it's going to be hung on chains. There's really no other way of doing it right now.


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Re: First Grow - 400w, custom hydro flood n drain, Power Skunk & Power Haze [Re: TomCollins]
    #317148 - 11/17/09 10:58 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Haha I haven't been talking to you the entire time, i've basically just been talking to him and ignoring everyone else...  I've done more than 10 grows, so I don't need to hear what anyone else has to say on the subject.  Just giving helpful advice.

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Re: First Grow - 400w, custom hydro flood n drain, Power Skunk & Power Haze [Re: TomCollins]
    #317150 - 11/17/09 11:01 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

For the record, I disagree with any HST techniques, despite results, and certainly would encourage a new grower to not engage in this barbaric procedure when LST can be achieved and produce similar if not better results.  While the end result of topping might produce a look that seems to say "wow it worked so well", the scientific reality of what you do to your plant is otherwise.  You do not see what *could* have been when it is missing and incomplete.  They thought the world was flat until science proved otherwise and even then, they killed the champion of reality.

If he is fighting you on telling him to HST plants, I do not blame him. 

The rest of the advice he is simply learning and trying to decide what the best route for his own personal grow and situation.

I am still very impressed at how well his plants look given the history of his project.

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Re: First Grow - 400w, custom hydro flood n drain, Power Skunk & Power Haze [Re: Inverted]
    #317151 - 11/17/09 11:02 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

P.S. - I still think height is going to be an issue, even the branches you tie down will still stretch to about 3-4x the length.  It's going to be a huge mess in there... Oh well at least you aren't going to yield on the LOW side :lol:  Just make sure that scrog screen is heavy enough so that the plants won't move it around by growing.  They can do that.


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Re: First Grow - 400w, custom hydro flood n drain, Power Skunk & Power Haze [Re: Inverted]
    #317158 - 11/17/09 11:18 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Oh and with those crazy plants and all the growth...hash making time!

My fav pic is where the weed looks like it is gonna grow into the power bar sockets.

I have identified the strain as well.  It is the same strain from Scary Movie 2, the one that resulted in the weed monster...lol.


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Re: First Grow - 400w, custom hydro flood n drain, Power Skunk & Power Haze [Re: Azyle00]
    #319591 - 11/21/09 05:27 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Re: First Grow - 400w, custom hydro flood n drain, scrog, Power Skunk & Power Haze (Updated 21stNov. [Re: TomCollins]
    #320642 - 11/23/09 08:52 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Nice ScrOG screen!  I'm liking the way your setup looks now that you got them all tied down.  You are pretty much set to flower now, looks good, just wait a few more weeks and you'll become even more obsessed.

I built a screen exactly like that, i'll take a pic of it and upload it later to my journal, be sure to check it when I update, as you'll be suprised how similar we built them.

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Shouldn't be long now, you will see some serious bushing in the next 2 weeks.


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Re: First Grow - 400w, custom hydro flood n drain, scrog, Power Skunk & Power Haze (Updated 21stNov. [Re: Inverted]
    #321913 - 11/26/09 02:38 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Boom.  :smile:



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Re: First Grow - 400w, custom hydro flood n drain, scrog, Power Skunk & Power Haze (Updated 21stNov. [Re: TomCollins]
    #322006 - 11/26/09 04:43 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

You should add some CFLs that shine up to help supplement lower bud production since its such a forest. :naughty:


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    #322053 - 11/26/09 06:55 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Safety "All Round" at each end of the light, fastened to the ceiling as secondary to your chaining system would be a feature I would add.

If anything goes wrong at either end, the light can fall down onto plants.  You would need to be creative however to make that adjustable as well, yet independent of the other system.

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Re: First Grow - 400w, custom hydro flood n drain, scrog, Power Skunk & Power Haze (Updated 21stNov. [Re: Azyle00]
    #322843 - 11/28/09 11:36 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Nice setup, I like the cooltube and screen, looks just like mine.  I just switched to flowering so i'll be weaving them through it once I finish transplanting in the next few days.


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Re: First Grow - 400w, custom hydro flood n drain, scrog, Power Skunk & Power Haze (Updated 21stNov. [Re: Inverted]
    #322859 - 11/29/09 02:10 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

What do you mean by weaving?


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Re: First Grow - 400w, custom hydro flood n drain, scrog, Power Skunk & Power Haze (Updated 21stNov. [Re: TomCollins]
    #322860 - 11/29/09 02:20 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

You take the top and put it through the hole, then back under and up again through another hole, you repeat this process as the plant grows/stretches so the it doesn't grow vertically above the screen.  That's the point of the ScrOG... It's like tying down without doing anything, it also forces the lower branching to receive more growth hormones and they catch up to the top and can be weaved through the screen when they grow big enough.  Does that make sense to you?


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Re: First Grow - 400w, custom hydro flood n drain, scrog, Power Skunk & Power Haze (Updated 21stNov. [Re: Inverted]
    #322866 - 11/29/09 03:04 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

It does actually and it answers a lot of questions. I've been watching the plants just grow right through the scrog and have been scratching my head, wondering if I'm doing something wrong. :tongue:

it seems like that would be ├╝ber stressful for the plants, and you could actually break the stems doing that. :undecided:


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Re: First Grow - 400w, custom hydro flood n drain, scrog, Power Skunk & Power Haze (Updated 21stNov. [Re: TomCollins]
    #322872 - 11/29/09 04:33 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Just be careful, that's how scrogging is done, besides the very tip of the plants should be soft and pliable.  Just use your best feel and work SLOWLY.


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Re: First Grow - 400w, custom hydro flood n drain, scrog, Power Skunk & Power Haze (Updated 21stNov. [Re: Inverted]
    #327974 - 12/07/09 06:57 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Re: First Grow - 400w, custom hydro flood n drain, scrog, Power Skunk & Power Haze (Updated 21stNov. [Re: TomCollins]
    #328566 - 12/08/09 07:22 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Sell your 400w or keep it and buy a 1000w and expand your aero system, it really sucks dude that all your females are bunched to one side and not spread out.


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Re: First Grow - 400w, custom hydro flood n drain, scrog, Power Skunk & Power Haze (Updated 21stNov. [Re: TheShroomJew23]
    #328757 - 12/09/09 03:01 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

1000watters are hard to come by locally here, I'm in the process of trying to figure out how to suspend dual cool tubes in the closet and thereby allowing me to add a 600w to the system.

It's not an aero system btw. It says that right on the title of this thread.

It does suck a bit that all the females are bunched together but that's what happened.


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    #329137 - 12/09/09 11:49 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Oh your right, I was super high and drunk when I posted because I had just smoked with Doug Benson. He did a show at the theater I work at part time at 420 but of course it started late.


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    #329215 - 12/10/09 03:39 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Mmmhmmm.... :rolleyes:

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Re: First Grow - 400w, custom hydro flood n drain, scrog, Power Skunk & Power Haze (Updated 21stNov. [Re: TomCollins]
    #329243 - 12/10/09 09:00 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

:lol:

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    #334374 - 12/21/09 08:29 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Re: First Grow - 400w, custom hydro flood n drain, scrog, Power Skunk & Power Haze (Updated 21stNov. [Re: TomCollins]
    #335498 - 12/23/09 01:27 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Don't kid yourself.  Spider mites are serious stuff and washing them over and over is a bad idea in flowering as well as applying anything toxic or that might ruin the taste and development.

Predator Spider Mites.

They are most likely given the grow you have to be the cure.  I would recommend mantis babies, but you wont likely be able to buy them this time of year.  That really sucks about mites.  I had them on strawberry plants and they multiply fast and are impossible to get rid of I found.  Neem oil, washing them etc, never kept them gone.

Which is why I am so happy that my grow room is very isolated.  Also it is winter.  Not sure if it matters, but I feel you are less likely to contaminate your crop during winter from outdoor to indoor transfer.

Your dog may be the transfer agent however.  Pets are a huge problem when it comes to that.

Sucks man, I hope you get some biological available and can erradicate them all and save your buds.


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Re: First Grow - 400w, custom hydro flood n drain, scrog, Power Skunk & Power Haze (Updated 21stNov. [Re: Azyle00]
    #335518 - 12/23/09 01:49 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

I stopped doing the isopropyl thing about a week or so ago. I've just been doing it by hand really. I've also been trying to up the humidity in the closet - heard that really helps.

Yeah I went to my local hydro store and asked for predatory mites, he said same thing you said. Can't get them this time of year.

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    #344870 - 01/10/10 06:34 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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    #349305 - 01/18/10 02:40 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

HARVESTZEZ PICZ!!!


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Re: First Grow - 400w, custom hydro flood n drain, Power Skunk & Power Haze [Re: TomCollins]
    #349478 - 01/18/10 06:32 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Congrats on a good end to your first grow! :smile:  It only gets easier from here my man :wink:

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I think this is due to a lack of CO2 in the grow closet. I don't have proper ventilation in and out of the grow room, so to compensate I think I may try the seltzer tek on my one remaining plant which still has 6 weeks to go.




Eh, I would look to other means besides C02 to fix your yield problems.  CO2 is most beneficial in a closed system on a regulated tank.  Even then you're almost always better off figuring out how to keep temps down rather then supplement with C02.


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Re: First Grow - 400w, custom hydro flood n drain, Power Skunk & Power Haze [Re: coda]
    #350048 - 01/19/10 05:34 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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Congrats on a good end to your first grow! :smile:  It only gets easier from here my man :wink:




Thanks Coda! I'm super happy I got at least something good out of this grow. Now hopefully my remaining haze will make it the last 6-7 weeks. The yield off that thing is gonna be really big. The plants enormous - I trained it around the skunk plant!

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I think this is due to a lack of CO2 in the grow closet. I don't have proper ventilation in and out of the grow room, so to compensate I think I may try the seltzer tek on my one remaining plant which still has 6 weeks to go.




Eh, I would look to other means besides C02 to fix your yield problems.  CO2 is most beneficial in a closed system on a regulated tank.  Even then you're almost always better off figuring out how to keep temps down rather then supplement with C02.




Well there is little I can do for the remaining 6 weeks or so. Temps are not a problem. I think the biggest limitation of this grow has been rooting. Next grow I'm definitely going down the netted cups and hydro pebble route. I also need to rethink my drainage a bit - since flood and drain are all located on the same side of the flood chamber, a lot of crap builds up on the left end of the setup. So there is for sure, lots for me to think about... however like I said, I think trying to enrich co2 is the only thing to do on this grow.


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Re: First Grow - 400w, custom hydro flood n drain, Power Skunk & Power Haze [Re: TomCollins]
    #350295 - 01/19/10 07:20 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Dude I think the biggest lesson I learned from your grow is use all cones in this type of system so they all harvest at the same time and grow to the same height. I also was reminded why roots are so dam important. Great log, this is why we have them. For people who just don't know what we already do.


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Re: First Grow - 400w, custom hydro flood n drain, Power Skunk & Power Haze [Re: TheShroomJew23]
    #350618 - 01/20/10 03:43 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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Dude I think the biggest lesson I learned from your grow is use all cones in this type of system so they all harvest at the same time and grow to the same height. I also was reminded why roots are so dam important. Great log, this is why we have them. For people who just don't know what we already do.




QFT - Those are the two big ones I learned too.


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Re: First Grow - 400w, custom hydro flood n drain, Power Skunk & Power Haze [Re: TomCollins]
    #605895 - 01/19/12 10:42 PM (8 years, 1 month ago)

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Whatever dude. It's my first grow and I made a pile of mistakes that isn't even funny to look at. I'm just happy right now that emerging from the horrific neglect and stupidity that these plants endured for the first few weeks of their lives, I have two awesome female plants.

Next grow, I won't make as many mistakes.




i grew barneys farm 8 ball kush had what i think was really good turn out i had serious newbie syndrome over/under watering/fertilization cold nights  cold waterings i even woke my ladies up at night on many occasion and they turned out ok for me if newbies like me use them it should be all good i had 3 seeds got 3 ladies and NO hermies


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Re: First Grow - 400w, custom hydro flood n drain, Power Skunk & Power Haze [Re: growclick]
    #605914 - 01/20/12 03:33 AM (8 years, 1 month ago)

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Re: First Grow - 400w, custom hydro flood n drain, Power Skunk & Power Haze [Re: Dimo114]
    #605915 - 01/20/12 05:28 AM (8 years, 1 month ago)

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Re: First Grow - 400w, custom hydro flood n drain, scrog, Power Skunk & Power Haze (Updated 21stNov. [Re: Azyle00]
    #605938 - 01/20/12 10:05 AM (8 years, 1 month ago)

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Don't kid yourself.  Spider mites are serious stuff and washing them over and over is a bad idea in flowering as well as applying anything toxic or that might ruin the taste and development.

Predator Spider Mites.

They are most likely given the grow you have to be the cure.  I would recommend mantis babies, but you wont likely be able to buy them this time of year.  That really sucks about mites.  I had them on strawberry plants and they multiply fast and are impossible to get rid of I found.  Neem oil, washing them etc, never kept them gone.

Which is why I am so happy that my grow room is very isolated.  Also it is winter.  Not sure if it matters, but I feel you are less likely to contaminate your crop during winter from outdoor to indoor transfer.

Your dog may be the transfer agent however.  Pets are a huge problem when it comes to that.

Sucks man, I hope you get some biological available and can erradicate them all and save your buds.





DOGS carry spider mites i grow in a really small shed my last room took up most of the shed with a small bit being a kennel for my dog.s my dogs where like 1 foot away from the plants ina kennel of course and they cant get to the plants  ether i had that problem b4 my little house dog ate a baby plant ooo i was mad BUT was my fault i put it down in front off her lol


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Re: First Grow - 400w, custom hydro flood n drain, scrog, Power Skunk & Power Haze (Updated 21stNov. [Re: growclick]
    #606196 - 01/22/12 07:15 PM (8 years, 30 days ago)

Death to all spider mites! they really harm the plants and even kill the plants. once you got them no choice but to nurse plant, I hate them. liquid ladybug then harvest! :stoned:


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