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From Seeds to Mother
    #10153 - 04/23/08 07:20 AM (11 years, 7 months ago)

Today I received 10 seeds that will hopefully supply us with one or two mother plants from which we will make 10-20 clones every grow.

I've always used clones so this is the first time I play with seeds. This is a work in progress, I just planted the seeds, so all tips/hints/warnings are more than welcome. 

The seeds
10x K.O Kush (cross between Killa Kush and Herijuana) crossed by a local grower.



The future mother box
Box: The mother will grow in an old bathroom closet.
Area: 0.25 m^2 (2.5 ft^2)
Dimensions: 50cm x 50cm x 180cm (19inch x 19inch x 70inch)
Light: 6x 15W normal fluorescent tubes (total 90W).
Fans: one cheap outlet fan. An inlet hole still needs to be made.



Germinating the seeds
The seeds came with pitpots to germinate the seeds in. This is convenient, but not necessary. I do use it because it came free with the seeds.

I watered the pitpots with pH 6.5 water. A small amount of bacteria that came with the seeds were added to the water. This causes the brown colour of the water.



Then I placed the seeds on the pitpots and pressed them 5-10mm into the pits.



After sowing the seeds, I placed the pitpots in a simple propagator. This propagator was then placed in the mother box. 2/6 fluorescent tubes are on (30W) to try to create a temperature of 25C (77F). Excess water was poured onto the bottom of the propagator to create a high humidity (90% atm).



Plan
We will make clones of all seedlings/future mothers when they are large enough to miss their top. These clones will root and are put under 12/12 light to let them show sex and killed afterwards. All clones are numbered and in this way we can determine the sex of the potential mothers. The males are useless and will be destroyed. The remaining mothers will grow until they have enough branches to make 15 clones. These will be the first clones that will actually flower.
We will, again, mark the clones to their mothers so that we can see what mother produces the best clones. We can then remove the "bad" mothers and keep 1 of 2 of the best mothers we still hope to have.

Pictures
day 1:


day 3:


day 5: - before and after repotting


day 14:


day 21:


day 27:


day 33:


day 35:
 


day 40:




day 45: topping plants and making clones for sexing




 



day 49: 4 days after topping




day 56: clones have rooted and are on a 12/12 light schedule




day 63 - mother gene pool



Day 68 - two remaining mothers (7 out of 9 males were killed)


Day 75:


day 98:




day 116 - two weeks after the first 14 clones were taken from the two mothers.




day xxx - just after the third generation of clones was made from the mothers




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Re: From Seeds to Mother [Re: Annom]
    #10172 - 04/23/08 07:53 AM (11 years, 7 months ago)

Personally I'd let them show sex naturally, I'd keep a recorded clone of each female then flower all of the seedlings, chose on the merits of each one after a full flower, harvest and smoke.

It means that you have to keep the clones of each going for seven to nine weeks which will mean you're going to have to keep them in small pots and prune them down if you only have limited clone/veg/mum space or they'll get heaps too big.

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Re: From Seeds to Mother [Re: Hanky]
    #10190 - 04/23/08 09:11 AM (11 years, 7 months ago)

mmmmm.... The problem is that we have trouble finding clones so we hope to produce our own clones next grow. Our current grow is from clones and they are just set on 12/12 (8-9 weeks to go).

If we would use your method, we would have to wait with germinating the seeds until the end of our current grow, but than we don't have clones for the grow after the seedlings grow. We could of course buy more seeds or try to find new clones to overcome this period without mother, but that's not preferred.

I see your point though and don't really know what to do. I would have to remove the seeds now if I want to use your method.... :confused:


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Re: From Seeds to Mother [Re: Annom]
    #10193 - 04/23/08 09:34 AM (11 years, 7 months ago)

big f#en deal. A gay mod will pry ban be. We really got to be worshipping the little grows.? Nothing less than 600 plants this is the internet not preschool.


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Re: From Seeds to Mother [Re: stonedwarrior]
    #10199 - 04/23/08 09:44 AM (11 years, 7 months ago)

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stonedwarrior said:
this is the internet not  preschool.




And yet, strangely enough, you seem to have the intelligence of a preschooler. :shrug:


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Re: From Seeds to Mother [Re: stonedwarrior]
    #10212 - 04/23/08 10:25 AM (11 years, 7 months ago)

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big f#en deal. A gay mod will pry ban be. We really got to be worshipping the little grows.? Nothing less than 600 plants this is the internet not preschool.




wtf? notice the title of "grow journals,"

i don't see anyone worshiping anything.

this is a place to share experiences and advice, to find common ground for the underground.

if you want to cry about it, gtfo


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Re: From Seeds to Mother [Re: Yrat]
    #10214 - 04/23/08 10:29 AM (11 years, 7 months ago)

Annom,

everything looks good to me, but I do think you might have trouble keeping two mother plants in such a confined space. In order to get a good number of clones off a plant they will need to be quite bushy and branched. That closet might only be able to hold one fat mom. it's hard to tell how big it is, what are the dimensions?


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Re: From Seeds to Mother [Re: Yrat]
    #10219 - 04/23/08 10:39 AM (11 years, 7 months ago)

Closet dimensions are 50cm x 50cm x 180cm (19inch x 19inch x 70inch), area 0.25 m^2 (2.5 ft^2).

Probably one mother. Using a scrog/sog to cover the full area of the closet.

Is 15 clones every 12 weeks possible?


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Re: From Seeds to Mother [Re: Annom] * 1
    #10224 - 04/23/08 10:44 AM (11 years, 7 months ago)

the scrog will definitely help to keep her branching

i definitely think 15 clones would be possible every 12 weeks, probably more.  of course this will all depend on the rate of growth and how happy the plant is.  i think you should be good :thumbup:


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Re: From Seeds to Mother [Re: Yrat]
    #10293 - 04/23/08 12:24 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

Very nice.. can't wait to see how this develops! :smile:


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Re: From Seeds to Mother [Re: thcibling]
    #10399 - 04/23/08 02:29 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

For the mom id skip the SCROG and stick to LST/topping to train and bush out your plants.  Screens can be a PITA (especially if you want to move the plant) to deal with and are really not needed to keep moms. 



That's a picture of the mom my current plants came from.  She's kept in soil in a 5 gallon bucket.  That's actually a pretty old pic of her, she's now a lot bushier then in that photo.  The plant was LST'ed and the original owner had split the main stem into two parts to further branch it out.  I've never seen that before, but, whatever he did it worked because there are about 80 thousand clones to be had.  Eventually she's going to be flowered but not before i get more cuttings :wink:

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Is 15 clones every 12 weeks possible?




Most definitely.  If you bush the plant out right you can achieve more then 15 clones every 12 weeks.  In fact it's possible to take 15 clones almost every month if you have enough branches on your mom.


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Re: From Seeds to Mother [Re: Annom]
    #10629 - 04/23/08 05:11 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

oh man, im so ready to grow.. nice pics annom!


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Re: From Seeds to Mother [Re: hazey]
    #10680 - 04/23/08 05:49 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

that is an awesome bush


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Re: From Seeds to Mother [Re: Yrat]
    #10724 - 04/23/08 06:31 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

Damn man. That shit is nice. Can't wait for my own.


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Re: From Seeds to Mother [Re: Annom]
    #12421 - 04/25/08 05:02 AM (11 years, 7 months ago)

update day 3:


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Re: From Seeds to Mother [Re: Annom]
    #14411 - 04/27/08 11:07 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

I'll enjoy following this thread.

Thanks


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Re: From Seeds to Mother [Re: Hanky]
    #14440 - 04/27/08 11:54 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

Quote:

Hanky said:
Personally I'd let them show sex naturally,




How long does this normally take?


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Re: From Seeds to Mother [Re: Laysthepipe]
    #14521 - 04/28/08 04:06 AM (11 years, 7 months ago)

it depends on your light but my seed plants i have grown in the past have showed usually between 4-6 weeks of veg


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Re: From Seeds to Mother [Re: dutchmushroom]
    #14541 - 04/28/08 09:02 AM (11 years, 7 months ago)

how are those little babies looking now?


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Re: From Seeds to Mother [Re: Yrat]
    #14552 - 04/28/08 10:46 AM (11 years, 7 months ago)

day 5:



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Re: From Seeds to Mother [Re: Annom]
    #14720 - 04/28/08 07:33 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

looking good.


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Re: From Seeds to Mother [Re: maggotz]
    #22141 - 05/07/08 05:00 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

day 14:


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Re: From Seeds to Mother [Re: Annom]
    #22669 - 05/08/08 09:46 AM (11 years, 7 months ago)

those will be nice fat little bushes, no stretching there at all


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    #24324 - 05/10/08 12:40 AM (11 years, 7 months ago)

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Re: From Seeds to Mother [Re: Annom]
    #24360 - 05/10/08 01:23 AM (11 years, 7 months ago)

and it was just that easy


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Re: From Seeds to Mother [Re: Annom]
    #29246 - 05/14/08 07:51 AM (11 years, 6 months ago)

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Re: From Seeds to Mother [Re: Annom]
    #29427 - 05/14/08 02:22 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

looking very good:thumbup:


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Re: From Seeds to Mother [Re: araucaria]
    #30208 - 05/15/08 01:21 AM (11 years, 6 months ago)

Yeah, this is looking well reet so far!


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Re: From Seeds to Mother [Re: FurrowedBrow]
    #31145 - 05/15/08 10:25 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

Great genetics all the plants look to be growing uniform Beautiful!


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    #34822 - 05/20/08 02:11 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

day 27


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Re: From Seeds to Mother [Re: Annom]
    #35560 - 05/21/08 02:16 AM (11 years, 6 months ago)

So pretty!!!!

Did one plant die? You had 10 at day 21 and 9 at day 27?
Also, what did you grow them in? Did you add any nutrients?


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Re: From Seeds to Mother [Re: Miss Penguin]
    #35633 - 05/21/08 06:18 AM (11 years, 6 months ago)

I took one plant out of the gene pool. The plant can be seen in on the bottom left in the following pic:


The other plants can use the space and I'm sure that crippled plant wasn't going to be our mother.

I grow them in "plagron light-mix". It's a special mix for marijuana plants found in grow shops (in Holland). It's an airy soil, I don't know the ingredients nor the English words for it. It's the same soil I use for my normal plants.

I didn't add any nutes until the third week. The soil has a very low nute content and they don't need much/anything in the first few weeks. I started adding some small amounts of normal grow nutes now and will build that up.


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Re: From Seeds to Mother [Re: Annom]
    #35656 - 05/21/08 09:19 AM (11 years, 6 months ago)

looks like plagron is just peat moss and castings, at least the light mix is.

"A lightly fertilised organic potting soil, it has enough nutrient content for your plants first 10 days. Use light mix to start your plants and when well established re-pot to Grow mix, Royalty mix or Bat mix for best results. It is composed of a variation of peat types, white peat, black peat, sphagnum and worm castings."


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Re: From Seeds to Mother [Re: Annom]
    #36524 - 05/22/08 01:56 AM (11 years, 6 months ago)

lookin' good :cool:


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    #36544 - 05/22/08 02:06 AM (11 years, 6 months ago)

Looking good! It'll be fun watching this grow progress.


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    #39077 - 05/25/08 01:42 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

OMG Yes it will.


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Re: From Seeds to Mother [Re: Annom]
    #39620 - 05/26/08 07:07 AM (11 years, 6 months ago)

day 33


I wasn't able to check the plants for 3 days and noticed today that the oldest/bottom leaves have turned light green or yellow.

It looks like a lack of sulfate or light. Not sure what to do about it, I could give them some rain water to increase sulfate. I started to give them normal grow nutes from week 3, at half the normal dosage.

Please let me know if you have any advice. My plan is to just wait and see what happens.


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Re: From Seeds to Mother [Re: Annom]
    #39623 - 05/26/08 07:26 AM (11 years, 6 months ago)

Is sulfate the same as sulfur? I'm definitely not an expert on this, but I was to understand that sulfur deficiencies show yellowing on new growth, whereas nitrogen deficiencies start as yellowing of lower leaves and work their way up the plant.


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Re: From Seeds to Mother [Re: Sirius]
    #39646 - 05/26/08 10:18 AM (11 years, 6 months ago)

Yes, I meant sulfur. I'm also not an expert (never had any problems like this). Read a Dutch grow problem guide and it said sulfur deficiency would show in the oldest leaves first. Sulfur deficiency was the only thing that matched my problem. I've seen more of these diagnostic guides and they don't always correspond so not sure what is true or not.

If it is sulfur related, it is probably caused by a too high pH. My cheap pH meter needed new batteries so I didn't use it for a few waterings.

Or it's just too little light. It's the first time I use fluorescent tubes and grow from seeds so it may be natural. I don't think it is though and it doesn't look very healthy.


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    #39657 - 05/26/08 12:17 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

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Is sulfate the same as sulfur? I'm definitely not an expert on this, but I was to understand that sulfur deficiencies show yellowing on new growth, whereas nitrogen deficiencies start as yellowing of lower leaves and work their way up the plant.




You are absolutely right! :smile:

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    #39755 - 05/26/08 02:15 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

Looks like the beginnings of an N deficiency to me.


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    #39804 - 05/26/08 03:32 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

Ok, normal dosage of grow nutes from now on.

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    #41362 - 05/27/08 08:43 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

Today, just before watering.



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    #43582 - 05/30/08 07:22 AM (11 years, 6 months ago)

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Today, just before watering.






well, I'm doing something wrong, at first I thought your plants were growing too slow, as mine grew a little faster than that at first. but then I looked at your roots, they're healthy as shit! my roots always come out small. I'm guessing them growing slow at first but growing quick roots means they're stable, then they probably go through a growth spurt and start growing an inch or two in height a day, right?

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    #43593 - 05/30/08 08:05 AM (11 years, 6 months ago)

They do grow slowly compared to what I've seen under a 400W HPS and in a large soil box. I had expected them to be larger by now, but remember that they are under 90W and in small containers.

I'll put a little stick next to the plants to see how much they grow each day.

edit: also note that the last pics of the plants with the roots were taken from an angle from which the plants look smaller than they really are.


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    #43656 - 05/30/08 11:15 AM (11 years, 6 months ago)

What light schedule have those been growing on?


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    #43686 - 05/30/08 12:40 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

18/6 for the first two weeks. 24/0 after the first two weeks. I needed the timer for something else and decided to try 24/0, no other reason for the change.


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    #43688 - 05/30/08 01:02 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

I just constructed an improvised CFL lamp to put on top of a small greenhouse. This greenhouse will house the clones that will be cut from the seedlings.



I used 3x 15W CFL's ("cool white"), a wooden frame and a cardboard/aluminium foil reflector (and some ducktape here and there for the pro look :tongue2: ).

I plan to place this on top of a small greenhouse, inside a cardboard box to create 12/12 (to determine gender). I'm testing temperature inside the greenhouse now.

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Did you build in a way to ventilate the clone area?


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    #43696 - 05/30/08 01:19 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

Not yet, but I think I'll connect it, in series, to some already running fans (in my normal or mother box).


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yah, just as long as you get some airflow in there you'll be ok.  The CFL's don't produce much heat, but, they still produce it.  Besides that plants need and love fresh air :smile:


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    #43701 - 05/30/08 01:31 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

Yeah, plants need fresh air, but high humidity is more important for clones. I'll let the air flow around the greenhouse and open a few small windows in the greenhouse/propagator itself.


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    #43785 - 05/30/08 04:47 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

high RH is only important for a clone in the first three days of it's life. Even so, when growing in a greenhouse, you still need to provide an air exchange for your plants or they'll suffer. It doesn't have to be continuous, but, you sill have to a.) remove the heat from your lamps and b.) replace the air so that your plants are happy.


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    #43821 - 05/30/08 07:00 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

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I just constructed an improvised CFL lamp to put on top of a small greenhouse. This greenhouse will house the clones that will be cut from the seedlings.



I used 3x 15W CFL's ("cool white"), a wooden frame and a cardboard/aluminium foil reflector (and some ducktape here and there for the pro look :tongue2: ).

I plan to place this on top of a small greenhouse, inside a cardboard box to create 12/12 (to determine gender). I'm testing temperature inside the greenhouse now.

Any comments/tips etc?




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    #44451 - 05/31/08 10:30 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

I just noticed that my room mate gave normal tap water(without nutes) to the plants without my knowledge :mad: They look very bad right now.


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    #44684 - 06/01/08 02:51 AM (11 years, 6 months ago)

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I just noticed that my room mate gave normal tap water to the plants without my knowledge :mad: They look very bad right now.


Tap water is what i use to water mine.
I let it set for a day or 2 tho.

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I just noticed that my room mate gave normal tap water to the plants without my knowledge :mad: They look very bad right now.




Unless you have really hard, or really soft water, tap water won't hurt your plants that much.  The only think you need to watch out for is that tap water tends to be pretty alkaline.  Alkaline soils will block out the uptake of micro nutrients such as Zn, Mg, and Fe.

Yellowing leaves with green veins in the older leaves is a sign of Mg deficiency.  Leaves that are turning yellow all over (no green veins) is a sign of N deficiency.  New growth that is turning yellow with green veins is a sign of Mg lockout or Zn/Fe deficiency.  A flush and a feeding of micronutes will help fix that problem.

Still nothing beats a solid pic of the problems you are having if you want more help in diagnosing them.


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    #47808 - 06/01/08 01:30 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

I think the problem is that he didn't add any nutes to the water. The plants showed the same symptoms as before (the yellow leaves) and were totally limp (hanging leaves and tops).

I didn't have time to take pics, but I did give them water with nutes (they needed water anyway). They look healthy again now, except for some more yellow leaves.


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    #48064 - 06/01/08 06:41 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

indeed, and since you're growing in basically a soiless mixture, nutes are kind of important :wink:


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    #48801 - 06/02/08 12:38 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

day 40




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    #48809 - 06/02/08 12:48 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

dang i've been waiting to see these.

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this picture the yellowing looks like an N def.




these two pictures show sign of a Mg def.

Weird.

Either or, the rest of the plants growth looks awesome! I really wouldn't worry about the yellowing all too much. Just keep an eye on it and if it begins to spread in the lower growth you'll know to bump up the strength of your nutes.


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    #48980 - 06/02/08 04:19 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

The recent yellowing happened in two days, when no nutes were added to the water. It's stable now as far as I can tell. The first yellowing also happened in two few days and stopped when I added normal nutes. I think it won't happen again as long as I give them the food they need.


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    #52333 - 06/06/08 12:08 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

I'm thinking about making clones from the (main) tops to determine sex, as soon as possible. I have everything ready to clone so I could start today. I want to top the females anyway because they need to become bushy and produce more clones in the future and I want to get rid of the males because it's getting crowded with 9 plants in the small mother box.

I could also try to determine sex by the preflowers that are starting to become visible.

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If the preflowers are starting to become visible, wouldn't sex start to become apparent soon anyways?


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    #52344 - 06/06/08 12:18 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

i took clones of the tops of three of my plants to determine sex and and that worked for me plus you top the plant as you said.


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    #52350 - 06/06/08 12:26 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

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If the preflowers are starting to become visible, wouldn't sex start to become apparent soon anyways?




I don't know. Let me know if you know :cool:

Here is what some preflowers look like now, some plants don't yet show anything though:


I can't say anything about the sex from that yet, but I've never done this before.

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my bet from that pic is on female

still early tho, another week an you'll know 100%

you can see some trics i think, along the stem right at the node

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    #52379 - 06/06/08 01:17 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

Thanks, I'll start waiting :smile:

Males don't produce any form of trichs?

I have a Canon powershot A720IS and I know that enough light is important when making pics.


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i would think higher quality males would produce trichomes, but i've never let them get that far into life :wink:

i'm sure it's one of the characteristics looked for when breeding and making serious crosses.


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    #52439 - 06/06/08 02:44 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

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I don't know. Let me know if you know :cool:




I'm not sure how long it takes exactly from when they start to appear before the point that they are developed enough for it to be easy to tell the sex, but I'd have to think that the amount of time would be quicker than it would take to tell from taking clones, since the clones would have to develop them as well and would take that same amount of time.

Those definitely look like healthy plants! :thumbup: How long until you will flower them? :smile:

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I may change from 24/0 to 18/6 since it may help the preflower development.




I don't know about assisting that development of the preflowers, but gearing down the light like that before switching to 12/12 is probably a good idea to help prevent shock to the plants, although I don't know that it would be too much shock to take them straight to 12/12 anyways... :shrug:


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i would think higher quality males would produce trichomes, but i've never let them get that far into life :wink:




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    #52449 - 06/06/08 03:17 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

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How long until you will flower them? :smile:




I do not plan to flower them. One or two of them will hopefully become mothers who are going to provide us with clones. The mother(s) will always stay in vegetative growth. I only need to determine sex so the females can have more space to grow. I'll gradually kill some females when they don't produce the best clones, these clones will be "tested" in my normal flowering box. That's the long term plan.

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although I don't know that it would be too much shock to take them straight to 12/12 anyways... :shrug:



I'm skeptic about applying things like "stress" and "shock" to plants. I'm sure there are optimal conditions, but those can only be found by experiment or logic complex biological reasoning, not by using human analogues. I'm willing to accept it if someone has some good evidence though. There has to be a logic meaning of plant "stress". 

I've never seen "stress" in my plants when going from 18/6 to 12/12. I'll give them some Valium next time I water them, just in case. :tongue2:

Someone on a dutch forum told me that my plants would be in complete shock and stress when temperatures dropped below 15C (60F) with the lights off. I had temperatures, with lights off, below 12C (54F) during at least two weeks (due to some construction work). It was the best grow so far, almost 1g/W.


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Males don't produce any form of trichs?




It's an uncommon trait but males can produce resin glands.

From your pic i would say that is a female preflower.  Male preflowers tend to have a small stalk that raises the flower above the stem.  Yours doesn't seem to have that stalk.  However the little white hair is the only way to know for sure :wink:


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    #52451 - 06/06/08 03:20 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

Of course; totally spaced that out. :hehehe:


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    #52452 - 06/06/08 03:22 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

In that case, topping/cloning and putting them in flower as soon as they root might be your best bet, since you're intending on topping anyways.


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    #52462 - 06/06/08 03:59 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

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Someone on a dutch forum told me that my plants would be in complete shock and stress when temperatures dropped below 15C (60F) with the lights off. I had temperatures, with lights off, below 12C (54F) during at least two weeks (due to some construction work). It was the best grow so far, almost 1g/W.




Don't totally discredit it though.  Lots of things people say actually do have scientific reasons behind them.  Cannabis grows the best with a 5-8 degree temperature differential between light and dark.  Ideal temps for lights on is 75-78, lights off between 70-73.

During colder temperatures plants will grow slower as well, this can lengthen the time of your flowering cycle or severely stunt the overall growth of the plant.  Likewise too high of a temperature difference between lights on and lights off will make your plants uncomfortable too. 

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There has to be a logic meaning of plant "stress".




How about "altering the plants hormones/chemicals by actions which are not conducive to healthy plant growth".  If you really, seriously, don't believe that you can stress out plants i have an idea for you.  If you really were just going to kill off some females you weren't happy with try experimenting with them.  Fuck with the light cycles viciously, see what happens when you give them 5 hrs on, 2 hrs off, 4 hrs on, 5 hrs off etc throughout the day/week/month.  Let them grow in 90 degree weather, then cooler weather, over and over and see what happens.  Or, bud your plants for a while on 12/12, then in the middle of that flip the lights on to 24/0 to veg them again, then flip them back to flowering, then look at the results.  At the end of it all, take the plants that you treated like shit and compare them to the ones you treated normally.

However, cannabis is a hardy plant.  It can tolerate a lot of bullshit.  So, along the way, if small mistakes happen generally they won't affect you too much in the end.  In your case your plants only put up with colder temps in the last two weeks of their life.  By this point they have already pretty much finished growing and are ripening up before harvest.  Temperature differences in this stage of your grow really won't affect things too much.  However if your plants were in veg at 54 degrees you'd see some damn slow growth.  So, in the end, constant or repeated mistakes will ultimately hurt your plants and affect your final results.


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    #52468 - 06/06/08 04:17 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

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I've never seen "stress" in my plants when going from 18/6 to 12/12. I'll give them some Valium next time I water them, just in case. :tongue2:




I don't think that there would be much from going from 24/0 to 12/12, which is what I was saying, and there would be less going from 18/6 to 12/12, but I have heard reports of there being some going from 24/0 to 12/12 because it is an unexpected, dramatic change. I would imagine this would be apparent by the plant taking some amount of time to adjust before it focused on growing again. It definitely isn't going to be that much of a concern, since a lot of people switch like that and it obviously doesn't harm the plant much. I was just pointing it out since you are making the switch and that it is, in some way, beneficial for it. :wink:


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    #52477 - 06/06/08 04:36 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

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Cannabis grows the best with a 5-8 degree temperature differential between light and dark.  Ideal temps for lights on is 75-78, lights off between 70-73.




There sure are ideal conditions, but cannabis seems to have a wide variety of temp conditions in which it can function fine and create a high yield (not highest). It would be useful if there was a clearer distinction between ideal conditions and still ok conditions. It's as important to know what happens when you move away from ideal conditions as to know what ideal conditions are.

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In your case your plants only put up with colder temps in the last two weeks of their life.


 
It actually was in the first two weeks of flowering, when the plants still grow.
I can understand why low temperatures slow growth, but it apparently had no significant effect on yield.


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I can understand why low temperatures slow growth, but it apparently had no significant effect on yield.




because you fixed the problem relatively early on in the flowering cycle.  If you would have budded your plants out at the lower temp throughout the entire grow you might have had different results.

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It would be useful if there was a clearer distinction between ideal conditions and still ok conditions. It's as important to know what happens when you move away from ideal conditions as to know what ideal conditions are.




Actually there really is a set of optimal and ideal conditions.  Fuck, im not home, but jorge cervantes did an article in some british cannabis mag not too long ago regarding this.  But the part where he was talking about temperatures was interesting.  Basically he said the higher your temps are the more they work to breathe properly.  Higher temps also affect your bud structure as well.  The hotter it is the fluffier your buds will be.  Plants will also stretch more in higher temps to disperse the heat better (by allowing more airflow between the nodes).  He also charted out the appropriate RH for your plants in the stages of their life cycle.  Personally i don't think humidity is as important as airflow/ventilation and temperature.  But if you wanted to be a stickler about it, there's a chart to follow for that as well.

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Lights on between 75-78 deg F
Lights off between 70-73 deg F

IDEAL TEMPS:
Lights on between 79-84 deg F
Lights off bewtween 76-79 deg F

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    #52964 - 06/07/08 06:27 AM (11 years, 6 months ago)

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    #53032 - 06/07/08 02:45 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

Today I made sexing clones from the tops of the mothers. Here are the pics, no time for text right now:





 



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    #55459 - 06/11/08 12:28 PM (11 years, 5 months ago)

day 49

The clones on day 4:


And the mother gene pool on day 49, 4 days after topping. Three leaves show burns at the tips, this was caused by touching a fluorescent tube and isn't a fundamental problem.





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    #55483 - 06/11/08 12:44 PM (11 years, 5 months ago)

looking great!  They seem to be liking the top you did, you planning on training them more?


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    #55489 - 06/11/08 12:57 PM (11 years, 5 months ago)

Yes. Everything I do here is the first time though. First time growing from seeds, first time making clones, first time topping. I only have experience with growing flowers from clones :smile:

The plan I have now is as follows,
1. determine sex by the sexing clones or preflowers
2. kill males, keep all healthy females
3. make two clones from every female/mother still in the gene pool
4. grow and flower these clones
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6. goto 3. repeat until best 2 mothers remain
7. have two mothers that produce 10-20 clones per 10 weeks, they will grow in the box (90W) seen in this thread

I need some way to create a somewhat horizontal field of small tops that can be placed close to the fluorescence tubes. Not a long plant, but a nice bush :cool:

A scrog and/or training can create this.

I have no experience with training so any advice, tips or links about creating a nice bushy mother are more than welcome!


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    #58364 - 06/16/08 08:22 AM (11 years, 5 months ago)

The first roots are visible on one clone, through the rockwool, 10 days after cloning. I hope to other clones follow.


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    #58440 - 06/16/08 01:25 PM (11 years, 5 months ago)

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    #59970 - 06/18/08 01:37 PM (11 years, 5 months ago)

day 56

the sexing clones, now in small containers and on 12/12:


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    #59975 - 06/18/08 01:56 PM (11 years, 5 months ago)

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Yes. Everything I do here is the first time though. First time growing from seeds, first time making clones, first time topping. I only have experience with growing flowers from clones :smile:




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look at those roots! :eek::awesome:

don't forget that root-ability would be a good trait to consider in your selection of a mother plant.

there is one mother that stands out, seemingly phenotypically different than the rest, in the bird's-eye shot, far right in the middle.  different color and much broader leaves.


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    #60009 - 06/18/08 03:10 PM (11 years, 5 months ago)

Can you explain teh "cutting to sex" thing? i dont follow that. making cuttings make the plant show faster?

are you veging all those in teh same box?  then keeping a mother in the box and flowering the rest somewhere else?  am i following right?

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    #60035 - 06/18/08 03:41 PM (11 years, 5 months ago)

cutting to sex means that he either:

a.) Took a cutting then placed the mother into flowering to force sex

b.) took a cutting, rooted it, and placed it into flowering to force sex

It's just a method of determining sex of your plants.  This way you can keep the strain alive and weed out the males earlier then just letting them mature in veg.


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Here is a high-res root macro I forgot to post:


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looking great!  Nice, thick, white, and healthy!


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    #64574 - 06/23/08 04:26 PM (11 years, 5 months ago)

The same roots 5 days later, 17 days after cloning:


I placed the sexing clones under a 400W HPS in my flower room today. It was empty anyway and I want the clones to show sex asap.


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    #65573 - 06/25/08 02:30 AM (11 years, 5 months ago)

that looks really good, but there's no updates?

i'm trying to make a note of when the plant goes through it's growth spurts

it looks like up to day 30 it grows extremely slow, then after that it grows much faster

also, is it me? or does cannabis take longer to grow outwards than upwards.. meaning.....

if you have a 1 foot plant, it will take longer to grow to 3 feet because it has to get thicker, in contrast to a 1 foot clone from a 3 foot plant, which will grow to 3 feet much quicker, because it won't have to take the time to grow a thicker stem and branch outwards. correct?
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    #65799 - 06/25/08 01:48 PM (11 years, 5 months ago)

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it looks like up to day 30 it grows extremely slow, then after that it grows much faster




cannabis grows fast for the majority of it's life.  In fact, plants in flowering will "grow" faster once the lights have flipped.  This is due to the stretch they go through in the dark period.

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also, is it me? or does cannabis take longer to grow outwards than upwards.. meaning.....

if you have a 1 foot plant, it will take longer to grow to 3 feet because it has to get thicker, in contrast to a 1 foot clone from a 3 foot plant, which will grow to 3 feet much quicker, because it won't have to take the time to grow a thicker stem and branch outwards. correct?
no?




no, this is incorrect.  If you want to speed up or increase branching you need to top and/or train your plants.


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    #65823 - 06/25/08 02:12 PM (11 years, 5 months ago)

how do i top or train my plants?

also, if it grows so fast, then why is it common that when they sprout, in their first month they rarely grow past a foot?

am I wrong about this?

why wouldn't a plant cloned from an older more mature plant not grow faster than a plant cloned from a smaller less mature plant?

if i had a tree cloned from a branch 2 inches in diameter, when it rooted when it not grow faster than a clone from a tree branch 1 inch in diameter? even if they were the same height?

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i'm trying to make a note of when the plant goes through it's growth spurts

it looks like up to day 30 it grows extremely slow, then after that it grows much faster




There is no such thing as growth spurt moment. A starting clone/seedling has few leaves and roots. This means that it can't grow fast, more leaves and roots will cause higher grow rate.

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also, is it me? or does cannabis take longer to grow outwards than upwards.. meaning.....



It grows where there is light! It can all be reasoned from basic knowledge of how a plant grows. Plants need light for photosynthesis and it will grow there where there is light, proportional with the light intensity. Provided there is enough water and other nutritions coming up from the root system.

My mothers are under fluorescence tubes and only the top leaves receive enough light to really grow well. The Sun changes position and is more intense; outdoor plants will therefore grow more outwards than the mothers I have right now.
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why wouldn't a plant cloned from an older more mature plant not grow faster than a plant cloned from a smaller less mature plant?



It's all about the leaf area and root system size. Age of the mother doesn't really matter.


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    #65931 - 06/25/08 05:21 PM (11 years, 5 months ago)

day 19 - sexing clones


day 63 - mother gene pool




I want to determine sex as soon as possible because the mothers are starting to stretch a little. After sexing they will have more space because I remove the males. I'll also put them in larger containers and maybe make some sort of scrog. This all when the clones show sex.


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how do i top or train my plants?




that's a question to ask in the cult forum, no need to clutter up this thread with unrelated questions.

Quote:

also, if it grows so fast, then why is it common that when they sprout, in their first month they rarely grow past a foot?




Annom nailed it already, it's all about the root system.  The reason common garden weeds grow so fast is because they already have an established root system.  If you were to drastically reduce the root system of said weed it wouldn't grow back as fast as before.


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    #68015 - 06/28/08 01:25 PM (11 years, 5 months ago)

Here are some pics of the sexing clones. I only don't have good pics of plant nr 6 and 8 yet. I found 2 females, but the rest seems to be male :mad:. Nr 6 and 8 also look like they are males, but they are not clear yet. Can anyone check the pics and tell the sex? I want to be sure.

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nr 2:


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    #68018 - 06/28/08 01:37 PM (11 years, 5 months ago)

Yup, #2 and #9 are females, the rest are males. Sorry dude. :hug:


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    #68027 - 06/28/08 01:47 PM (11 years, 5 months ago)

Is it a 50/50 probability?

If so, the probability for 2 or less females out of 9 plants is 9%. Me no lucky :crazy:

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    #68040 - 06/28/08 02:27 PM (11 years, 5 months ago)

And here are nr 6 and 8.

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Both males if you ask me.


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    #68048 - 06/28/08 02:38 PM (11 years, 5 months ago)

yes sir, definitely have some nuts swinging from those branches.  While you may have not gotten the gene pool you wanted, you at least have some females to work with.  You can always pop more beans and select some more ladies if you need.


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Re: From Seeds to Mother [Re: coda]
    #68060 - 06/28/08 03:01 PM (11 years, 5 months ago)

After how many days you have determined the sex of those plants?


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Re: From Seeds to Mother [Re: m.faust]
    #68061 - 06/28/08 03:03 PM (11 years, 5 months ago)

22 days after making the clones.


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Re: From Seeds to Mother [Re: Annom]
    #68076 - 06/28/08 03:18 PM (11 years, 5 months ago)

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Is it a 50/50 probability?




Generally yes, but there's a good debate on how much genetics plays in sex and how much the environment does. I couldn't think though that there was anything in your setup that would have caused all males though, so I think you just got unlucky. It happens. :shrug:

You could look at it as an opportunity though, you've got plenty of different males, you could always find the best one and take a clone and keep it vegging somewhere until the time you'd like to make it a proud father. :super:


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Re: From Seeds to Mother [Re: Annom]
    #68472 - 06/29/08 11:50 AM (11 years, 5 months ago)

aww man, that's shitty luck.  which two are the females in the mother (father? :wink:) pic?

just from looking at the high homogeneity of the parent group i doubt even if you did get mostly females that there would be much difference between them all to narrow down a selection.

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Re: From Seeds to Mother [Re: Annom]
    #68474 - 06/29/08 11:54 AM (11 years, 5 months ago)

these two...



.. are the only ones that really seem different across the pool.  are they the two females?


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Re: From Seeds to Mother [Re: Yrat]
    #68480 - 06/29/08 12:46 PM (11 years, 5 months ago)

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are they the two females?



Yes!!!


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Re: From Seeds to Mother [Re: Annom]
    #68563 - 06/29/08 06:23 PM (11 years, 5 months ago)

ha no shit!


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Re: From Seeds to Mother [Re: Annom]
    #68871 - 06/30/08 10:48 AM (11 years, 5 months ago)

damn, shitty luck.

what will you do with all the males?


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    #68921 - 06/30/08 05:49 PM (11 years, 5 months ago)

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what will you do with all the males?




:cutoff:

I don't have space and need for seeds, so I can't use them for anything.


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    #68923 - 06/30/08 05:58 PM (11 years, 5 months ago)

Pic update of the two remaining mothers.

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    #68924 - 06/30/08 05:58 PM (11 years, 5 months ago)

:healthy:


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    #69351 - 07/01/08 12:36 PM (11 years, 5 months ago)

They look superb.  What did you use to tie them to the wire? Twist ties?


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    #69360 - 07/01/08 01:17 PM (11 years, 5 months ago)

Yes, twist ties that came with bin bags. I've used them before and they do the job!


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    #69367 - 07/01/08 01:39 PM (11 years, 5 months ago)

Nice work :rasta:


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that'll bush up nicely :gethigh:


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    #69756 - 07/02/08 01:09 AM (11 years, 5 months ago)

where did you get that screen for your SCRoG?


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    #69829 - 07/02/08 05:04 AM (11 years, 5 months ago)

At a dutch hardware store.


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    #70051 - 07/02/08 03:33 PM (11 years, 5 months ago)

ok, but what was it's intended purpose?  Is it used for gardening or did you just see it and know it would perfect?  I'll have to hit up a hardware store and see if i can find something like that.  It looks like you have the screen attached to the pots of your plants.  Makes life a lot easier.


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    #70054 - 07/02/08 03:36 PM (11 years, 5 months ago)

I'm interested to see a picture update from you! My grow is coming along nicely but yours is kicking my ass :frown:


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    #70062 - 07/02/08 03:43 PM (11 years, 5 months ago)

I think it is normally used to make a fence. I had to buy 5m :laugh:. It's not a specialized scrog product.

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It looks like you have the screen attached to the pots of your plants.


 
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    #70070 - 07/02/08 03:48 PM (11 years, 5 months ago)

Good Deal!!! :smile:  Very creative and effective! Props to ya!  When is one able to give positive ratings?


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    #70075 - 07/02/08 03:50 PM (11 years, 5 months ago)

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Yes, I made four supporting rods and attached the screen on top.




AH! ok, so there was some DIY involved.  I'll have to look into that when i get the chance to grow again next year.


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    #74846 - 07/07/08 03:27 PM (11 years, 5 months ago)

day 75:


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    #74899 - 07/07/08 04:20 PM (11 years, 5 months ago)

looking pretty, nice pruning job on the bottom, you sure have some happy girls on your hand!


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Looks :awesome:


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Re: From Seeds to Mother [Re: Annom]
    #76707 - 07/09/08 12:45 PM (11 years, 5 months ago)

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Here are some pics of the sexing clones. I only don't have good pics of plant nr 6 and 8 yet. I found 2 females, but the rest seems to be male :mad:. Nr 6 and 8 also look like they are males, but they are not clear yet. Can anyone check the pics and tell the sex? I want to be sure.

nr 1:


nr 2:


nr 3:


nr 4:


nr 5:


nr 7:


nr 9:





Hey man, what day in flower was this that they showed the noticable sex signs?


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Re: From Seeds to Mother [Re: Laysthepipe]
    #78202 - 07/10/08 04:11 PM (11 years, 5 months ago)

what day in flower was this that they showed the noticable sex signs?
around day 10.


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    #88948 - 07/20/08 04:27 AM (11 years, 4 months ago)

what's going on here? i demand an update! :crankey:


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    #88972 - 07/20/08 06:42 AM (11 years, 4 months ago)

Annom's on vacation. :wink:


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    #99208 - 07/31/08 06:34 PM (11 years, 4 months ago)

How about now?  I've been following this one.  :laugh:


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    #102543 - 08/04/08 05:42 PM (11 years, 4 months ago)

day 98:

I just came back from a 3 week vacation, sorry for the gap in the grow journal. I repotted the two mothers into one large cardboard box, to give the roots more space and to be able to water less frequent. The box fits perfectly into the grow space. I plan to make clones next morning, for the first grow from these mothers.





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    #102560 - 08/04/08 06:14 PM (11 years, 4 months ago)

Looks :awesome:. Glad to have you back.


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    #103258 - 08/05/08 12:30 PM (11 years, 4 months ago)

Here are 14 clones that I just cut from the two mothers, I should probably start a new grow journal for their grow:


And here the two mothers after they gave birth:


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    #103461 - 08/05/08 05:41 PM (11 years, 4 months ago)

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I should probably start a new grow journal for their grow:





Excellent idea!  Welcome back.  :smile:  They look great!


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    #108750 - 08/13/08 07:17 PM (11 years, 3 months ago)

All 7 clones from mother #2 (M2) have rooted after 8 days, all 7 clones from M1 don't yet show roots. They all stand in the same small closed container.


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    #108968 - 08/14/08 03:43 AM (11 years, 3 months ago)

Can't wait to see flowering pics! :super:

Hey, forgive me if you mentioned it already, but what kind of nutrients are you using, and what is the guaranteed analysis and dosage? I'm wondering because your leaves look really dark green and healthy, and I want to run some calculations... :hehehe:


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    #109609 - 08/15/08 11:06 AM (11 years, 3 months ago)





I don't know how much of which substance is in the different mixes.


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    #109615 - 08/15/08 11:33 AM (11 years, 3 months ago)

10 days after cloning, all clones show roots:




I just repotted the clones and put them in our flower box under 400W HPS, 18/6 light cycle. I'll start a new grow log about this soon.


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    #114579 - 08/26/08 01:33 PM (11 years, 3 months ago)

day 116 - two weeks after the first 14 clones were taken from the two mothers.




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    #114671 - 08/26/08 06:40 PM (11 years, 3 months ago)

Clean those leaves up :spank:

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    #115060 - 08/27/08 01:21 PM (11 years, 3 months ago)

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Clean those leaves up :spank:



:lol: It's all natural for the leave to be there :tongue2:

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    #115456 - 08/28/08 02:12 PM (11 years, 3 months ago)

Everything that I've read/heard says to clean leaves up to make sure no molds or insects have places to live and breed. But if you don't notice any problems...Grow on!


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    #190713 - 01/30/09 11:28 AM (10 years, 10 months ago)

Here are a few pics of the mothers right now, one week after taking 20 clones from them. We are not very happy with their genetics; one stretches too much and they both don't create the flower size we hoped for. Not sure what we will try next. Our 2nd grow from these mothers is almost finished and we will probably do a third grow from these mothers.






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Wow, those moms are tied down hard. Very nice.  Why the Scrog method instead of LST and pruning?


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i love those top shots of the canopy.  amazing.  what kind of lights do they sit under again?  i've got to go digging through the old pages.


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    #190948 - 01/31/09 07:14 AM (10 years, 10 months ago)

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Why the Scrog method instead of LST and pruning?




I used a scrog the first few weeks, until the complete grow area was covered. Now I only prune. No specific reason for scrog over LST. I wanted to try this. I want to remove the screen and see if it keeps shape.


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    #191799 - 02/03/09 05:26 AM (10 years, 10 months ago)

wow, you got the bonsai method really going for you there :thumbup:

too bad it's not a keeper genetic wise :shrug:
maybe its time to be planting more seeds?


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    #193095 - 02/07/09 07:59 AM (10 years, 9 months ago)

We harvested the second grow from these KO Kush mothers (M1 and M2) yesterday. The smallest yield so far. M1 yielded 573g and M2 436g (wet mass). That will be around 200g dried (18-22% remains after drying, from my experience). M1 also won previous grow.
M2 covered more area because it had better roots from the start, but it yielded less than M1 again. M2 streches too much and has fewer flowers, while M1 has a denser flower structure. That's why we removed M2 from the mothers box. We will only keep M1 for now, although we want to try a different strain in the short future.

Here are some pictures of removing M2, my friend might want it for in his house so I put it in a smaller container and removed the scrog screen. 









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    #193096 - 02/07/09 08:04 AM (10 years, 9 months ago)

Here are also some pics from our last grow, the one we harvested yesterday. We didn't do any pruning or scrog this time and just let them free. It has been very cold over here this winter and temperatures dropped to 13 C (55 F) with the lights off (daytime). Other strains we grew could handle that, but this strain may be more demanding.





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    #193120 - 02/07/09 01:11 PM (10 years, 9 months ago)

Bad news with the small harvest. Still some tasty looking nuggets. :eek:


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    #193257 - 02/08/09 03:20 AM (10 years, 9 months ago)

sorry to hear bout the temps messing you up , looks like you had everything else under control tho!!! I am have bad problems right now too!!!


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