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From Seeds to Mother
    #10153 - 04/23/08 07:20 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Today I received 10 seeds that will hopefully supply us with one or two mother plants from which we will make 10-20 clones every grow.

I've always used clones so this is the first time I play with seeds. This is a work in progress, I just planted the seeds, so all tips/hints/warnings are more than welcome. 

The seeds
10x K.O Kush (cross between Killa Kush and Herijuana) crossed by a local grower.



The future mother box
Box: The mother will grow in an old bathroom closet.
Area: 0.25 m^2 (2.5 ft^2)
Dimensions: 50cm x 50cm x 180cm (19inch x 19inch x 70inch)
Light: 6x 15W normal fluorescent tubes (total 90W).
Fans: one cheap outlet fan. An inlet hole still needs to be made.



Germinating the seeds
The seeds came with pitpots to germinate the seeds in. This is convenient, but not necessary. I do use it because it came free with the seeds.

I watered the pitpots with pH 6.5 water. A small amount of bacteria that came with the seeds were added to the water. This causes the brown colour of the water.



Then I placed the seeds on the pitpots and pressed them 5-10mm into the pits.



After sowing the seeds, I placed the pitpots in a simple propagator. This propagator was then placed in the mother box. 2/6 fluorescent tubes are on (30W) to try to create a temperature of 25C (77F). Excess water was poured onto the bottom of the propagator to create a high humidity (90% atm).



Plan
We will make clones of all seedlings/future mothers when they are large enough to miss their top. These clones will root and are put under 12/12 light to let them show sex and killed afterwards. All clones are numbered and in this way we can determine the sex of the potential mothers. The males are useless and will be destroyed. The remaining mothers will grow until they have enough branches to make 15 clones. These will be the first clones that will actually flower.
We will, again, mark the clones to their mothers so that we can see what mother produces the best clones. We can then remove the "bad" mothers and keep 1 of 2 of the best mothers we still hope to have.

Pictures
day 1:


day 3:


day 5: - before and after repotting


day 14:


day 21:


day 27:


day 33:


day 35:
 


day 40:




day 45: topping plants and making clones for sexing




 



day 49: 4 days after topping




day 56: clones have rooted and are on a 12/12 light schedule




day 63 - mother gene pool



Day 68 - two remaining mothers (7 out of 9 males were killed)


Day 75:


day 98:




day 116 - two weeks after the first 14 clones were taken from the two mothers.




day xxx - just after the third generation of clones was made from the mothers




Edited by Annom (01/30/09 11:31 AM)


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Re: From Seeds to Mother [Re: Annom]
    #10172 - 04/23/08 07:53 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Personally I'd let them show sex naturally, I'd keep a recorded clone of each female then flower all of the seedlings, chose on the merits of each one after a full flower, harvest and smoke.

It means that you have to keep the clones of each going for seven to nine weeks which will mean you're going to have to keep them in small pots and prune them down if you only have limited clone/veg/mum space or they'll get heaps too big.

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Re: From Seeds to Mother [Re: Hanky]
    #10190 - 04/23/08 09:11 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

mmmmm.... The problem is that we have trouble finding clones so we hope to produce our own clones next grow. Our current grow is from clones and they are just set on 12/12 (8-9 weeks to go).

If we would use your method, we would have to wait with germinating the seeds until the end of our current grow, but than we don't have clones for the grow after the seedlings grow. We could of course buy more seeds or try to find new clones to overcome this period without mother, but that's not preferred.

I see your point though and don't really know what to do. I would have to remove the seeds now if I want to use your method.... :confused:


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Re: From Seeds to Mother [Re: Annom]
    #10193 - 04/23/08 09:34 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

big f#en deal. A gay mod will pry ban be. We really got to be worshipping the little grows.? Nothing less than 600 plants this is the internet not preschool.


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Re: From Seeds to Mother [Re: stonedwarrior]
    #10199 - 04/23/08 09:44 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Quote:

stonedwarrior said:
this is the internet not  preschool.




And yet, strangely enough, you seem to have the intelligence of a preschooler. :shrug:


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Re: From Seeds to Mother [Re: stonedwarrior]
    #10212 - 04/23/08 10:25 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Quote:

stonedwarrior said:
big f#en deal. A gay mod will pry ban be. We really got to be worshipping the little grows.? Nothing less than 600 plants this is the internet not preschool.




wtf? notice the title of "grow journals,"

i don't see anyone worshiping anything.

this is a place to share experiences and advice, to find common ground for the underground.

if you want to cry about it, gtfo


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Re: From Seeds to Mother [Re: Yrat]
    #10214 - 04/23/08 10:29 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Annom,

everything looks good to me, but I do think you might have trouble keeping two mother plants in such a confined space. In order to get a good number of clones off a plant they will need to be quite bushy and branched. That closet might only be able to hold one fat mom. it's hard to tell how big it is, what are the dimensions?


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Re: From Seeds to Mother [Re: Yrat]
    #10219 - 04/23/08 10:39 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Closet dimensions are 50cm x 50cm x 180cm (19inch x 19inch x 70inch), area 0.25 m^2 (2.5 ft^2).

Probably one mother. Using a scrog/sog to cover the full area of the closet.

Is 15 clones every 12 weeks possible?


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Re: From Seeds to Mother [Re: Annom] * 1
    #10224 - 04/23/08 10:44 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

the scrog will definitely help to keep her branching

i definitely think 15 clones would be possible every 12 weeks, probably more.  of course this will all depend on the rate of growth and how happy the plant is.  i think you should be good :thumbup:


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Re: From Seeds to Mother [Re: Yrat]
    #10293 - 04/23/08 12:24 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Very nice.. can't wait to see how this develops! :smile:


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Re: From Seeds to Mother [Re: thcibling]
    #10399 - 04/23/08 02:29 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

For the mom id skip the SCROG and stick to LST/topping to train and bush out your plants.  Screens can be a PITA (especially if you want to move the plant) to deal with and are really not needed to keep moms. 



That's a picture of the mom my current plants came from.  She's kept in soil in a 5 gallon bucket.  That's actually a pretty old pic of her, she's now a lot bushier then in that photo.  The plant was LST'ed and the original owner had split the main stem into two parts to further branch it out.  I've never seen that before, but, whatever he did it worked because there are about 80 thousand clones to be had.  Eventually she's going to be flowered but not before i get more cuttings :wink:

Quote:

Is 15 clones every 12 weeks possible?




Most definitely.  If you bush the plant out right you can achieve more then 15 clones every 12 weeks.  In fact it's possible to take 15 clones almost every month if you have enough branches on your mom.


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Re: From Seeds to Mother [Re: Annom]
    #10629 - 04/23/08 05:11 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

oh man, im so ready to grow.. nice pics annom!


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Re: From Seeds to Mother [Re: hazey]
    #10680 - 04/23/08 05:49 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

that is an awesome bush


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Re: From Seeds to Mother [Re: Yrat]
    #10724 - 04/23/08 06:31 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Damn man. That shit is nice. Can't wait for my own.


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Re: From Seeds to Mother [Re: Annom]
    #12421 - 04/25/08 05:02 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

update day 3:


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Re: From Seeds to Mother [Re: Annom]
    #14411 - 04/27/08 11:07 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

I'll enjoy following this thread.

Thanks


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Re: From Seeds to Mother [Re: Hanky]
    #14440 - 04/27/08 11:54 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Quote:

Hanky said:
Personally I'd let them show sex naturally,




How long does this normally take?


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Re: From Seeds to Mother [Re: Laysthepipe]
    #14521 - 04/28/08 04:06 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

it depends on your light but my seed plants i have grown in the past have showed usually between 4-6 weeks of veg


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Re: From Seeds to Mother [Re: dutchmushroom]
    #14541 - 04/28/08 09:02 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

how are those little babies looking now?


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Re: From Seeds to Mother [Re: Yrat]
    #14552 - 04/28/08 10:46 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

day 5:



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