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First grow
    #825865 - 05/12/17 11:19 AM (1 year, 9 months ago)

Alright peeps, so going to try and get a grow log/update thing down. Got everything up and running finally, germinated 3 power plant seeds in kitchen roll and looks as though 2 are going to make it (started popping up yesterday). Think one is struggling as it sprouted a day after the other 2 and I think the paper dried out too much for it over night. Popped them all in root riot cubes and potted them straight away, didn't fancy messing them around with pot transfers.

I'm growing in 1.2x1.2x2 tent using canna coco pro with 600w sunmaster bulb and lumii adjustable ballast and 5" fan and filter.

Being as this is the first one I'm only going to use canna a+b and see how she does. Also I'm just going to let them grow with no training techniques and maybe try to experiment in my next run.

I'll upload some pics shortly, if anyone has and constructive criticism ill be very grateful.

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Re: First grow (moved) [Re: Macky]
    #825866 - 05/12/17 11:43 AM (1 year, 9 months ago)

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Re: First grow (moved) [Re: phychotron] * 1
    #825867 - 05/12/17 12:22 PM (1 year, 9 months ago)

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Re: First grow (moved) [Re: Macky]
    #825882 - 05/13/17 06:15 PM (1 year, 9 months ago)

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Re: First grow (moved) [Re: Data]
    #825935 - 05/18/17 08:12 PM (1 year, 8 months ago)

It's been a week now, the seedlings are looking not too bad, one problem I think is that they're struggling to get their second set of leaves up.
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One never shot up so I replaced it with a tomato which seems to be loving it. Temp was getting a bit hot so I moved the tent into an area with much better air circulation, I've added a small fan, some wet t shirts to up the humidity a bit but they still seem to be stalling

Any suggestions for more rapid growth anyone? I've been watering with 120ml of tap water every time the top dries out every 1-2 days close to the stems, not using any nutrients yet.


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Re: First grow (moved) [Re: Macky]
    #825939 - 05/18/17 09:38 PM (1 year, 8 months ago)

They look good to me, but I'm definitely not an expert.

In my experience, the first few weeks are the slowest. Once the seed pops, it has a few days of stored energy that it can used to really jump at first, but once that storage runs out it seems to slow down for a bit, until the roots and true leaves have a chance to start chumming out some sugars.

That's about how my seedlings looked on my grow at about the same time. :pipesmoke:


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Re: First grow (moved) [Re: Macky]
    #825949 - 05/19/17 02:14 AM (1 year, 8 months ago)

Growth is proportional to how much light the plant can absorb. Things start out slow at first but as the leaves start coming in they start to absorb more light.

That might need some nutrients. Coco is hard to start in. I usually mix it with some sort of peat based mix 50/50. The purpling of the leaves makes it look like its becoming deficient.

When starting clones in coco I usually give a full strength feeding from the start. Coco has next to nothing in it.

With coco you want to water to about 10-25% runoff, watering when the container uses about half the available water. Adjust container size to water every few days. In flower it might go up to one or two times a day.

Hows the temperature?


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Re: First grow (moved) [Re: phychotron]
    #825954 - 05/19/17 06:02 AM (1 year, 8 months ago)

Thanks for your input and quick responses guys, was getting worried for a minute :smile:

With the feeding it might explain why the tomato has taken off, (started a few tomatoes and chilis off for my garden) I started them in a compost mix and thought id whack a tomato in the coco and see what happened, guesing its using the feed from the small pot it was in?

OK so ill let them dry out, water with 10-25% runoff and then on the next water give them a feed and see how they do. Unless you think to go straight for a feed?

Tempreature is 28C at the top of the tent where the filter is and give or take about 30-32C in the light where theyre sitting.

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Re: First grow (moved) [Re: Macky]
    #825964 - 05/19/17 01:12 PM (1 year, 8 months ago)

Well with a plant that small its tough getting the watering just right. If you fully saturate it at first it will be a long time before it needs anything. That plant is so small it has close to no-requirements for water and most is being lost to the environment through evaporation.

I would do a quarter/half-strength feed (just to run off) then let it sit for a few days and watch it respond. That should charge the coco with some nutrients for the plant to grow into.

Feeding with plain water messes with the coco's buffer and nutrient uptake. Feeding to runoff will flush out old nutrients and waste that the plant gives off. Your plant is so young and in fresh coco so runoff is not as important at the moment, but nutrients are.

Your temperatures are a bit warm. Have you considered opening the windows during the day?

Humidity plays a huge factor in how fast they can grow as well.

http://www.just4growers.com/stream/temperature-humidity-and-c02/vapor-pressure-deficit-the-hidden-force-on-your-plants.aspx


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Re: First grow (moved) [Re: phychotron]
    #825970 - 05/19/17 08:04 PM (1 year, 8 months ago)

Thanks, that makes a hell of a lot of sense. Ill give them 1/4-1/2 strength fill and see how they do. Since I have tried to up the humidity they seem to have taken to it a bit.

Ive been struggling with temperature since I started out, its driving me crazy. I cant open a window in the room because its like the monolith from 2001 a space odyssey poking out at passers by. Ive had to resort to opening all other windows in different rooms to try and get some cooler fresh air exchange in there.

Thanks for the link, will have a good read at work tomorrow.


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Re: First grow (moved) [Re: Macky] * 1
    #825972 - 05/20/17 06:37 AM (1 year, 8 months ago)

Run the lights at night when its cooler.


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Re: First grow (moved) [Re: phychotron]
    #826053 - 05/25/17 10:53 AM (1 year, 8 months ago)

So onto week 2.

Gave a feed 4 or 5 days ago, think I'll give them another one today. I used 1.5ml per 2l that's 3ml of coco a+b combined, maybe I'll cut it down to 2ml total this time round.

They're looking better than they were last week but still some issues I need to get sorted.





The second one I burnt because I had the light too close, moved it further away and it was ok.

Still think they're being slow and can't help feeling they're a bit stunted, it's been really hot this week and temps have rocketed, no nice cool breezes to take advantage of, temps reaching 34C sometimes in the tent. Upgraded to a nice big fan in there now which is managing to cool the area a tad. (Sorry didn't reply to your last message phycotron, can't run them at night it's driving my wife mad, sleep is more important to her apparently  :shrug: )

I have no ph meter and I'm starting to suspect that the water needs more acidity, that's the next thing on my list to get. Also think I'll get some kelp extract or silica.

Is it worth downsizing to a 250w hps with a CFL alongside it? Wondering if the 600 hps is too much and there's only 2 of them growing.


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Re: First grow (moved) [Re: Macky]
    #826054 - 05/25/17 11:30 AM (1 year, 8 months ago)

Don't add the total amount of A and B used. Use the same amounts of Part A as you do B and just write down the one. Its full strength at 4ml/gallon (~4L)

You fed 3ml/gallon, or 3/4 strength. Which might not be that bad but don't overdo it at first.  Especially in the heat you can really mess things up. Water uptake changes, as does evaporation from the surface.

You definitely need some pH adjust. General Hydro sells the standard up/down 'kit' that comes with the pH liquid test drop. I stopped buying meters cause they are very sensitive and have a relatively short life. Just get the test liquid yellow and its good.


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Re: First grow (moved) [Re: phychotron]
    #826100 - 05/28/17 04:15 AM (1 year, 8 months ago)

Thanks for the heads up, gave them 1ml/gal and they're loosing colour, can really see they're not growing as they should be, look like little stumps. Buying kit today, will try get the right ph balance and will give another feed, see how they react.


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Re: First grow (moved) [Re: Macky]
    #826102 - 05/28/17 07:28 AM (1 year, 8 months ago)

Found ph was between 7.5 and 8. 1ml/gal of ph down I bought does the trick.


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Re: First grow (moved) [Re: Macky]
    #826106 - 05/28/17 12:44 PM (1 year, 8 months ago)

That's not so bad but things like iron become unavailable above 8. 

I have a hard time getting things to start in fresh coco, its tricky getting the feed down properly when they're that young. Heat stress might also slow the thing down a bit.

Next time you start a seed try using some "seed starting mix" which is peat moss and a little bit of lime to stabilize the pH. Cut that 50% with coco and it will take care of the seedlings when they're at that phase. ONLY do it with a small pot worth so that you can benefit from using all coco when you transplant.


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Re: First grow [Re: Macky]
    #826153 - 05/30/17 07:17 AM (1 year, 8 months ago)

Good luck on your grow.

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Re: First grow [Re: TrueHerbCrystal]
    #826186 - 06/01/17 01:16 PM (1 year, 8 months ago)

Cheers THC I think I'm going to need it

Thanks for the info again phyco, definitley going to start in smaller pots next time, will give that mix a whirl too.

So week 3 been and gone, not really done anything since my last post, been working my ass off. Will give another water I think on Saturday one is picking up and the other is stumpy.



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Re: First grow [Re: Macky]
    #826198 - 06/01/17 09:19 PM (1 year, 8 months ago)

The seed starting mix is complete garbage by itself. I filled pots up loosely with it, filled the top with water, and the next day its still all pooled up on the top and dry just below the surface. It works so bad by itself I can't understand why they call it a seed starting mix.


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Re: First grow [Re: phychotron]
    #826201 - 06/02/17 01:01 AM (1 year, 8 months ago)

Well thats what surfactants are for :wink: most peat based mixes. 

Seed start soils im general yes are a rip off. They are designed to be very fine which causes poor drainage. Low fert ph balanced and perhaps polymers to stay wet. They are designed more for plug trays then pots. As low nutrient levels want to transplant to better mix once have roots.


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Re: First grow [Re: Theman]
    #826492 - 06/17/17 07:06 AM (1 year, 7 months ago)

Into week 5 now I think, haven't had much to update. After last post it stopped responding and wilted, I fully flushed with ph 6 water and started to slowly up the feeding after that, at 1/2 strength 2ml/gal at the mo, runoff is around ph 5.5-6. Still on canna a+b nothing else other than a tiny bit of raw silica the other week before the flush. Will start using that again soon.

Still going slowly but she's hanging in there. Looks like there could be a deficiency (want to say nitrogen?) and the tips of leaves keep poking downward. Humidity is between 45-55, temps range between 25-29C depending on the day. Sometimes I switch off the extraction and leave the zip door open with oscillating fan on to stableise temps on hotter days. Giving more regular feeding now as she seems to stop responding after 3-4 days.




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Re: First grow [Re: Macky]
    #826509 - 06/18/17 04:21 AM (1 year, 7 months ago)

I would give it a full strength feeding next time. Canna is very forgiving. It looks good other than needing some food.

Something like Rhizotonic will help develop the root zone and overall plant health. An enzyme product will keep the root zone clean so the nutrients you feed will be more accessible and will make it easier for the water to soak in properly. Big Time Enzyme is what I use with good results.


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Re: First grow [Re: phychotron]
    #826542 - 06/19/17 03:33 PM (1 year, 7 months ago)

Cool, I'll have a look at those, what about the raw silica, you think I should keep using it?
I've checked my local water and it's classed as moderately soft with 35mg/l of calcium and 2mg/l of magnesium. You think it's worth adding some cal mag too?


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Re: First grow [Re: Macky]
    #826561 - 06/20/17 01:19 AM (1 year, 7 months ago)

Does the raw silica dissolve?

Silica cant hurt some debate on level of effectiveness. Does raise ph so can use for that. The way I look at it is if plants use so much silica wouldnt the coco have decent amount? Soiless mix have perlite which is silica... silica in nature is basically insoluble or glass would disapper and beaches wouldnt be sand  as silica is the least soluble common element on earth. Some plants like horsetail do have silica. Silica is generally stable isotopically so doesnt even exchange O2 ie can do stable isotope readings on 50thousan year old silicious diatomes. Furthermore silica is utilized more in grass tyle plants like monocotyledon ie 1 seed leaf and mosses amd the like that live on rocks where there is a reason why they want to break down sand and rocks.. speculation. Sorry for rant.. anyway use it if you have it. Next time can just add diatomacious earth and perlite and see if you notice a difference. Dont use to much or inhale glass lol jk..

Since not really much science it sort of appears it has similar action as SAR and probably functions similarly.by Causing damage reaction in plants. But dont think anyones figured it out ezactly. Evidense it does work particularly in corn or bamboo type crops. Which like horse tail sorta makes sense as animals dont like chewing sand...although native americans uses horsetail as a toothbrush.

You can still use calmag as having 25ppm is low and not sure if using nutrients that have ca in them?? If not 150ppm of calcium i think is about normal range for hydroponics so adding more is cool.


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Re: First grow [Re: Theman]
    #826562 - 06/20/17 04:17 AM (1 year, 7 months ago)

Diatomaceous earth works. I use it if I notice the branches sagging to much. It thickens the stems and not just the main stem even the stems in the buds . I'm not a big fan of smoking stems so I don't use it much. To much will cause lock out issues. good luck


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    #826568 - 06/20/17 12:53 PM (1 year, 7 months ago)

Thanks for the input guys, some food for thought on the next grow, might get a little experiment going then. Don't worry about the tangent theman it's cool.

The silica makes the water a tad cloudy and forms some grit on the bottom, still haven't added it in, not really sure the best way to go about it, either spray it or add it to the water when feeding. I've read quite a bit on people raving about it so thought I'd give it a shot, apparently it's good for pests and I've had a lot of them on some of my chillis and herbs recently.

So I took phycs advice and upped the feed and she's looking better today.



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Re: First grow [Re: Macky]
    #826620 - 06/21/17 10:24 PM (1 year, 7 months ago)

Ahh ok so you dont have the soluble silica. What you have is just diatomaceous earth esp since says good for pests :wink:  25 kg bags are 15 bucks at seed and feed just fyi for next time.

Dont have to use that diatomaceous earth every water or even every feed. Few times will be lots and can sprinkle on surface. If you use to much it will clog up the surface and make it harder to water.


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Re: First grow [Re: Theman]
    #826666 - 06/22/17 09:42 PM (1 year, 7 months ago)

The raw silica is 60 to 70% soluble.  Can be used folar or root.  It's also Ph neutral. It can be used right up to flush.

I personally wouldn't use more than 1/4 teaspoon per gallon with feed and 1/32 teaspoon. per gallon in Folar spray.


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    #826670 - 06/22/17 11:22 PM (1 year, 7 months ago)

Ahh just checked website and its not soluble as its diatomaceous earth. Says its suspendable.. where did u come up with that number its 70% soluble? Again diatomaceous earth is same as ant dust or added to animal feed or used ro clean up oil/chem spills.and is not soluble well not more soluble then beach sand. Please dont post misinfo there mr mod :wink:  everything insoluble doesmt change water ph :wink: soluble silica is acidic so that should be ur second clue. Lol me thinks u got suckered and dont want to believe u bought DE for waay to much money and just feel 60% dissolves lol.. man i wish i could sell u a kilo for 80 bucks...

Diatomaceous earth or raw silica can be sprayed on leaves which may help a little in bug control but wont be absorbed. And u do not want to spray that on your flowers so just clearing tgat up!! Can add to watering forsure if u want. Prob best just to use as amendment instead of watering with it.


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Re: First grow [Re: Theman]
    #826676 - 06/23/17 01:03 AM (1 year, 7 months ago)

You got me this time. I should have checked my sources first. Also note I'd never Folar feed any plant passed the third Week of flowering.

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RAW Silica contains 45% Silicon Dioxide which is the highest concentration of silicon dioxide available t-o the home gardener. RAW Silica is flowable and suspend-able in water and naturally available to the plant. Since RAW Silica is a natural form of silicon dioxide, it is PH neutral and does not cloud when added to water. RAW Silica can be used during all stages of growth and bloom for optimal stem and cell wall strength. It is a beneficial supplement to all feeding schedules. Works in conjunction with all nutrient and feeding programs./quote]
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Diatomaceous Earth. Diatomaceous Earth is a silica hydroxide sedimentary rock , is amorphous, (which means it does not have a definite crystalline structure and is therefore not a mineral) is a porous, earthy chalk like mineral, composed primarily of the remains of silica skeletons of diatoms./quote]


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Re: First grow [Re: Stoneth]
    #826731 - 06/24/17 10:44 AM (1 year, 7 months ago)

Ahhh! Thanks for clearing that up guys. I was really confused about the solubility as they say it's non cloudy and soluble and also say it's suspendsble in water, however it is ph neutral which I've checked. To be honest i should have looked into it more and done some research.
After using it it does look like it's got a coating over the leaves and they've got the faintest shine to them, definitely going to experiment with and without on my next run. I added juuuust under 1/8th of a teaspoon to a gallon.

So it looks like it's taking off now just for reference I've added to the base nutrients per gallon;
1.5ml shogun calmag, was a bit dubious about using it as it has added nitrogen and iron and the store didn't have anything else. (Wasn't sure if it works well with canna nutes)
0.5ml cannazym might up to 1ml next feed
2ml rhizotonic
Decided to add the silica once a week

The very tips of a fan leaf look like they got burned so I think I'll reduce calmag to 1ml.
Other than that she's not looking too bad since last week. Still some things to sort out climate wise.



I have it about 15" away from the light, you can see the leaves slightly curling up, there's been a few hot days so I'm wondering if it's the response from heat stress or adding the calmag.


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Re: First grow [Re: Macky]
    #826752 - 06/25/17 02:22 AM (1 year, 7 months ago)

Sorta looks deficiency there. Ur ph good still i guess is looking better eh.

Just curious how you have been mixing ur nutes? Mix a and b then add water. Calmag into a and add water?

All cal mag will have nitrogen its epsum salts and calcium nitrate. Nitrate gicing that nitrogen. Its standard in hydro nutes and why hydro nites come in 2 part formulas. Calcium nitrate in micros would react if mixed together in concemtrarion.


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Re: First grow [Re: Theman]
    #826755 - 06/25/17 05:46 AM (1 year, 7 months ago)

Duh  :facepalm:  yea that's obvious now you say it. You will have to bear with me as I'm clueless.
The method of mixing is gallon of water, add a, then b, cal mag, cannazym, rhizotonic, ph down.


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    #826762 - 06/25/17 01:00 PM (1 year, 7 months ago)

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    #826780 - 06/25/17 07:03 PM (1 year, 7 months ago)

Ok just wanted to make sure u were mixing directly into large amount of water. And no cloudy precip forming.

You prob dont have to mix cannazyme until large plants in flower.

Not sure what rhizotonic is about but imagine mycoryz type product.  Again once innoculated shouldnt need it more then few times. Also be sure to dechlorinate your water as often has enough chlorine to kill alot of the bennies. Best is let sit out overnight. Do not use fish dechlorination products.


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    #826786 - 06/26/17 10:55 AM (1 year, 7 months ago)

You might have to use chems to remove chlorine if the local water supply is using chloramines to do their water purification.  It doesn't gas off like standard chlorination.  The better products remove the chlorine and the resulting ammonia by-product of the process.

At least that is my understanding as it goes from information I have gathered from cultivation sources, as well as from my old fish tank days.


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    #826937 - 07/01/17 11:48 AM (1 year, 7 months ago)

I don't usually let water sit out, if i do it's only for a few hours, always make sure it's luke warm though. I've herd mixed things about letting chlorine evaporate, yea I've herd it depends on the type of chlorine added in drinking water, also does anyone know the toxicity levels of chlorine for plants per litre of water?

So I'm switching to flowering today, she's showing a bit of nitrogen toxicity I think judging from the curling of the leaves.



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    #826945 - 07/01/17 03:08 PM (1 year, 7 months ago)

It looks like a mobile nutrient problem,  how much runoff?  You can probably just up the runoff and be fine or you could run a few quarts of r.o through her then follow it up with fresh nutrients. It doesn't look bad tho. Chlorine will turn her a bronze color . Hope that helps


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    #827155 - 07/08/17 08:26 AM (1 year, 7 months ago)

Thanks man, I usually water to 20% runoff, I flushed and gave a light feed. I've started to leave the water to sit out over night and looks like it's responded quite well to it, also I think I've been watering too acidic so might explain some issues.

First week of flower is over, I burnt it a little mid week after not paying attention to my measurements, thought it was a gallon but turned out to be 3 litres!





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Re: First grow [Re: Macky]
    #827211 - 07/10/17 05:21 AM (1 year, 7 months ago)

Dam she is bushy! Looking good don't sweat a little tip burn . She looks pretty  green too so you could probably cut back a little on nutrients  (make it weaker) . But don't cut back on watering tho. I will increase my runoff to 50% very few waterings just to keep the media clean .:highfive:


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Re: First grow [Re: funky]
    #827343 - 07/15/17 06:49 AM (1 year, 7 months ago)

Cheers funky been a little rocky this week, I've reduced feed to 1.5ml/gal and she looks like she's loving it, over the last couple of weeks I stopped with the cal mag and this week reintroduced it to compensate the lighter feeding.
I really shocked her start of the week, I think it was either not fully mixing the nutes or not keeping an eye on ph, not entirely sure how I did it, she really drooped and next day got some serious burn on a few leaves, definitely learned my lesson there.
Tied a couple of branches down so they get more light exposure.
Started using canna boost too.



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    #827345 - 07/15/17 08:09 AM (1 year, 7 months ago)

How warm ya runnin in there? Those curled leaves indicate heat stress. Aside from the slight burnt tips. Beautiful plant tho mang.

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Re: First grow [Re: ashfiken]
    #827346 - 07/15/17 10:00 AM (1 year, 7 months ago)

I think the burn is actually a magnesium deficiency from when you stop using it.  Magnesium deficiency takes a couple weeks to really show. Is the burn brown or purple?  If it's purple it's probably a K deficiency .she is looking good tho. Temp?

She will get hungry in flower so if she get N or K deficient just increase waterings not the nutrient concentration . Once you get the nutrients rite you can use the same thing from seed to flower just increase watering frequency.


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Re: First grow [Re: funky]
    #827347 - 07/15/17 10:46 AM (1 year, 7 months ago)

Just to clarify about the seed to harvest on one nutrient mix. K.I.S.S method, I used the Lucas formula with maxibloom from seed to harvest.  I now use Jacks 3,2,1 which is more customizable, cheaper, and consistent  (25lb bags).


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Re: First grow [Re: funky]
    #827348 - 07/15/17 11:46 AM (1 year, 7 months ago)

Cheers guys. Temps range between 26-29C in the day and drop to 22 at night. Now you say that funky I've been wondering if it's been a little mag deficient, some brown spots were showing a little and was contemplating weather to add a little epsum salt, that's when I decided to add the cal mag back in after you suggested to reduce feed a bit.
That bad day though it fully wilted and the leaves that got hit bad did turn a bluish purple, the next day they crisped up. The night before I mixed up 2 gallons in a bucket at 3ml/gal, I'm wondering if it all got dumped in at once from a bad mix, had an early start that morning and was in a rush so didn't really pay attention. So if you say it's K deficient then maybe it got serious lockout?
I like the idea of K.I.S.S method, for now I'm going to use up what I got from canna, I'm quite liking it so far.


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    #827353 - 07/15/17 01:43 PM (1 year, 7 months ago)

Canna is a good product just a little pricey . Definitely keep the cal/mag in the mix, sounds like you locked her up . There tough plants tho she'll come back strong just get her back on regular feed. I use 1.2 grams Epsom per gallon but if you have cal/mag just stick with that.


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    #827354 - 07/15/17 01:54 PM (1 year, 7 months ago)

This is a K deficiency among other things.  Lol


It's reddish purple and the leaf doesn't get crispy. The problem with this plant was unbalanced nutrients caused by a crappie bag of maxibloom or me pushing a bit much light.


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Re: First grow [Re: funky]
    #827355 - 07/15/17 03:45 PM (1 year, 7 months ago)

Ah dude, so not K deficiency then. How do you mean pushing too much light, as in trying to get as close as possible?
Are those some phat nugz I see in the background? :gethigh:


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    #827356 - 07/15/17 05:17 PM (1 year, 7 months ago)

The more light the more nutrients it needs or it will go deficient . 1000+ par sorry for the short answer I'm on a phone


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Re: First grow [Re: funky]
    #827357 - 07/15/17 05:37 PM (1 year, 7 months ago)

Rack down shot 1050par. The yellow lady went 6 weeks in flower on the funky batch of maxibloom the green one is 3 weeks I think, it's on the new stuff so it didn't get hurt. But at that par plants go through a lot more nutrients and that's what happens when they don't get enough nutes . They get ugly with reduced yield but I'll still get over 2 zips dry tho. This cut takes a beating and still puts out. I hope you get everything worked out.


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Re: First grow [Re: funky]
    #827359 - 07/16/17 01:17 AM (1 year, 7 months ago)

You sure its not just lockout? Thats bit weird from just growing to fast to much i think. When too much light lower on the plant  wpuld be better and nutes particularly n yelllw from bottom not just heat causes leaves to grt crispy calaused almost.. of u were approuching too much light with led bleaching is pretty common also can happen with certain hps if cool enough if i am not mistaken.

Anotger clue is possibly that funky nutrient likely has "locked up" all the nutes before u even mix it. 

Not sure what ur growing in but can attempt to flush and add freah nutes.but could be weird insolubles.

May be able to save plants and 95% sure its not from too much light pretty classic burn then lockout..


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Re: First grow [Re: Theman]
    #827627 - 07/25/17 12:11 PM (1 year, 6 months ago)

Just a quick update, been 24 days since I flipped her to 12/12, not sure when you're supposed to start counting the official flower period, some say 1 week some say 2 or 3 days, want to gauge it right so I can hit the pk booster.

She's not looking too bad, since the last episode she's been loving it, starting to frost up and fill out so I'm happy :gethigh:

As I lifted it up I hit the top bud on the light. Classic noob error.

Upped the feed very slowly to 7ml/5l of water and 2ml of cal mag and 5ml canna boost, I stared measuring at 5l because it just feels right and will give me room for error if i fuck it up. Watering every day, sometimes 2 days, temps 26-28C humidity 40-50



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    #827657 - 07/26/17 11:07 AM (1 year, 6 months ago)

When you say watering every day, sometimes two times, is that with nutes or are you referring to a separate event, in addition to a daily feeding?  Trying to understand what's going on before I attempt my first kill, I mean grow, lol.


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    #827663 - 07/26/17 02:21 PM (1 year, 6 months ago)

Sorry man should have made it clearer. I'm adding nutes every time I water so feeding every time, that's either once a day or once every 2 days depending on how busy I am or how warm it gets. When temps go up she drinks it all up. I'm sure you will be fine  :goodluck:


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Re: First grow [Re: Macky]
    #827800 - 08/06/17 11:33 AM (1 year, 6 months ago)

So around 35 days in since the switch, some hairs started to turn brown, sampled a little oven dried popcorn bud and was pretty good, looking forward to harvesting.
Started with pk 13/14 this week, dropped a+b a bit as I'm increasing the pk to about 4-5ml, going to run it to the end of next week. Everything else still same, adding rhizotonic and canazym every now and again. Just getting through these next couple of weeks and will be on the home stretch for the flush.
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    #827806 - 08/07/17 12:39 AM (1 year, 6 months ago)

Looking really good. According to Canna you should go no more than 7-10 days with PK. The stuff builds up in the coco and will keep feeding your plant after you've stopped.

Enzyme products need to be added all the time. You might not notice the effects in the beginning, but if you will in the end. As time goes on the roots shed their outer skin and die off will clog the root zone. You try and water but the water puddles up on the top and rolls out to the side, or it goes in and straight down and out of the bottom before it has a chance to saturate the entire medium.

Enzyme products keep the root zone clean and clear of all that sludge and allows the plants to actually access the nutrients.

Same with rhizo. The better the root zone is the better off the plant is. Ever notice that we care for the root zone of the plant more than we do the top? Its because that's the part of the plant that that decides how well the top will grow. As roots get older they die off. If your constantly promoting new root growth you can reap the benefits of a healthy root system. http://www.cannagardening.com/videos/canna_rhizotonic


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    #827855 - 08/12/17 02:01 AM (1 year, 6 months ago)

Enzymes and myco are dif. You shpuldmt have to add myco innoculate your roots more then a few times after that its sort of a waste if using soil or ammended soiless mediums.

Enzymes are better to keep bio sludge outta your hydro reservoir. If u have good life in your soil  less  mediums enzymes are pretty much a waste except for preping old soiless for reuse. But even then debatable as spent alot of effort uping organic content dor slow nutriemt release why do u want to turn it to carbon and solubles to be "instantly" leached? Used up faster in any regard. When all bennies use that organic stuff to thrive on.

To me enzymes are like chemical answer to beneficials. Although great keeping nutrient solutions clean and rezs cleans


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    #827864 - 08/13/17 01:09 AM (1 year, 6 months ago)

Rhizotonic is not microbes. Its an algae based root simulator.

Canna is against large amounts of beneficials for coco. They use tricederma on their coco to fend off any contaminants but their philosophy is that since your feeding the hydroponic nutrients that are ready for uptake that you don't need them. The microbes also compete for the nutrients your trying to feed the plant.


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Re: First grow [Re: phychotron]
    #828159 - 08/27/17 09:55 AM (1 year, 5 months ago)

Thanks for the comment and input phycotron.

It's nearly harvest time, I slowly cut feed to 1/4 strength week before last and have been giving plain water with boost, rhizotonic and cannazyme for 1 week since last Saturday, nearly all leaves turned yellow which easily picked off. Still watering once every 2 days.

Have been away a lot recently so I've added an intake fan with a duct bringing cool air from downstairs into the tent, it's worked quite well and allowed me to keep the tent closed. Also been filling up a 2ltr bottle and leaving it to trickle down so it didn't dry up whilst away.

Leaves at the bottom of main cola are still pretty green so think I'll leave it another day or so.



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    #828195 - 08/28/17 10:58 PM (1 year, 5 months ago)

Lookin nice. If you take the shade leaf off BEFORE you chop it down it makes things easier.  Looks like you got it pretty easy this time.


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    #828212 - 08/30/17 01:38 AM (1 year, 5 months ago)

Thanks, will do. I'm surprised at how it's turned out, wasn't expecting it to swell up like that. I started with 3 and finished with one :gethigh:
Chose ppp because from what I've herd it's quite easy to grow and can be very forgiving for rookies as well as yield pretty big for people who know what they're doing. Any suggestions on strains for the next grow?


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    #828220 - 08/30/17 10:38 AM (1 year, 5 months ago)

Strain selection is a personal choice. Experiment, take clones for mothers, keep or flower those out until you find the right choice for you. Selecting a mother can be difficult but worth the effort.

Grapegod did me well for years and I wish I still had that plant. I just found Pineapple Express and its got some good nug but not as heavy of a yield. Super lemon haze is a tasty plant, Jack Herer also very good.... Grand Daddy Purple is a classic.

Some plants you have to learn how to grow or get a specific cut of before it turns out proper. Kush's always seem to be better when you find someone who's got a nice mother. White widow, blue dream, blueberry, etc strains like that tend to be mediocre unless you found someone with the real deal.

Watch out for other people's genetics. Some people will order one seed off the internet, never flower it and clone the shit out of it then sell you an 'authentic' clone. You can find a lot of those at dispensaries and Craigslist.

Pick some of those well known strains and start there. Cup winners are a good place to start.


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    #828278 - 09/02/17 12:52 AM (1 year, 5 months ago)

Ya ur on the right track dont follow hype as not going to find alot of them easy to grow. Natorious is og for being apindly and low yeilding esp real old cut, purps slooow to veg, blueberry nute sensetive amd og can be aswell. So cup winners are def not where u want to look. Do what ur doing and find those tried true hardy genetics.

Critical mass maybe a good one? Nortgern lights, durban, g13 x or black domina x if want indica..skunk moby dick easy to grow big yeilding sativa dom geating more traction lately for its floral hazyness :wink:.  Blue dream is known to have nice hybrid vigor yeild alot and quality. just read and sound what sounds good for ur situation. Mandala i havent grown but know he peoperly tests and knows his plants and great descriptions not like alot that just say gsc xdosido sherbert and are untested. DNA reserva privada always put out strong structure hardy nice dank plants.


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