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Re: Harry's 2010 Grow Log, 1200W, Flo, Sweet Tooth, Maneater and Snowcap (moved) [Re: maryanne3087]
    #440357 - 07/01/10 10:41 AM (11 years, 2 months ago)

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no there is no evidense all plants carry up 10%




You do realize that up to 10% also means less than 10%? Nothing fits into the category of up to 10%.




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yup so does 0%








My GOD did you seriously say that??




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Re: Harry's 2010 Grow Log, 1200W, Flo, Sweet Tooth, Maneater and Snowcap (moved) [Re: maryanne3087]
    #440530 - 07/01/10 03:15 PM (11 years, 2 months ago)

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You realize coco coir comes from the seed husk? As silica isn't directly used by the metabolism of the plant I can think of at least one good reason why silica wouldn't end up in the protective husk of the seed.

Try harder.





exactly!! what it just disappears as the plant dries then of course. haha. silica is not changed by the plant so then if its in there it will stay in there like excess nutes.... use your minds


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Re: Harry's 2010 Grow Log, 1200W, Flo, Sweet Tooth, Maneater and Snowcap (moved) [Re: the man]
    #440532 - 07/01/10 03:17 PM (11 years, 2 months ago)

Stop telling us to use our minds, it's very rude. we're obviously thinking or this wouldn't even be a discussion.

Also, Maryann already addressed your "point" with that. Seed husks have completely different physiology than the rest of the plant, your point is null and useless


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Re: Harry's 2010 Grow Log, 1200W, Flo, Sweet Tooth, Maneater and Snowcap (moved) [Re: Harry_Ba11sach]
    #440538 - 07/01/10 03:23 PM (11 years, 2 months ago)

well you said its used in ALL cell WALLS. everything in a plant is basically a modified leaf, stem or root so to that end it hasw exactly the same physiology. also coconuts live in the most high silica environment a plant can get into. also because it is not used in teh plants metabolism it could bnot set up some barrier to stop silica from moving around. It is a very valid point and i think you know that!! sorry for saying that it is rude

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Re: Harry's 2010 Grow Log, 1200W, Flo, Sweet Tooth, Maneater and Snowcap (moved) [Re: the man]
    #440539 - 07/01/10 03:24 PM (11 years, 2 months ago)

oh blah blah blah so I used a broad generalization, sue me. I was assuming you were smart enough to understand the point I was trying to make without nitpicking it apart. :nonono:


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Re: Harry's 2010 Grow Log, 1200W, Flo, Sweet Tooth, Maneater and Snowcap (moved) [Re: maryanne3087]
    #440545 - 07/01/10 03:28 PM (11 years, 2 months ago)

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no there is no evidense all plants carry up 10%




You do realize that up to 10% also means less than 10%? Nothing fits into the category of up to 10%.




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yup so does 0%








My GOD did you seriously say that??








really dude it was answering your first question. yes i could say something has up to 10% but also may have none. seriously dude

this thread may contain nuts :smile:


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Re: Harry's 2010 Grow Log, 1200W, Flo, Sweet Tooth, Maneater and Snowcap (moved) [Re: the man]
    #440547 - 07/01/10 03:33 PM (11 years, 2 months ago)

whats teh smoke report on that flo harry!! im interested, looks like it restocked up too!!


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Re: Harry's 2010 Grow Log, 1200W, Flo, Sweet Tooth, Maneater and Snowcap (moved) [Re: the man]
    #440563 - 07/01/10 03:57 PM (11 years, 2 months ago)

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well you said its used in ALL cell WALLS. everything in a plant is basically a modified leaf, stem or root so to that end it hasw exactly the same physiology.




This is where you're wrong. Well there's various other statements you've made where you're clearly wrong but this is another. As you may but quite possibly don't know.

The seed is a vessel of reproduction containing the endosperm,embryro, cotyledoms, testa, and with various fruits including the coconut the mesocarp and exocarp are outside of the seed. In peaches and alike fruit the meso and exocarp are the fleshy part of the fruit and everything else is the seed with the testa being the outtermost layer of the anatomical seed then the endocarp. The exocarp and mesocarp of a coconut are what makes the fibre. This is an overly drawn explaination to basically say seeds aren't a modified leaf, root, or stem. Use your mind!


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Re: Harry's 2010 Grow Log, 1200W, Flo, Sweet Tooth, Maneater and Snowcap (moved) [Re: maryanne3087]
    #440579 - 07/01/10 04:22 PM (11 years, 2 months ago)

well if you knew anything about how plants develop orhow they have evolved then youd know what im saying. regardless, there is cell walls that would have silica in them just like how you say thre is silica in cytoliths in pear fruit.... because you used google and named a few parts of a plant does not mean anything k??


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Re: Harry's 2010 Grow Log, 1200W, Flo, Sweet Tooth, Maneater and Snowcap (moved) [Re: the man]
    #440582 - 07/01/10 04:31 PM (11 years, 2 months ago)

What the fuck are you going on about? You tried to say that everything on a plant is a modified leaf, root, or stem. The naming of the parts of a seed (not a plant, as these are parts of a seeds anatomy and in their own right are new plants) just demonstrates that a seed is not a modified leaf, stem, or root as you had claimed earlier.

For the record, there's some Si in coconut husks, just not anywhere near what would be found in a good soil. You linger far too much almost like an eight year old, are you an eight year old? All Harry asked was if the supplements are a waste as his coco doesn't contain any substantial amount of Si.


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Re: Harry's 2010 Grow Log, 1200W, Flo, Sweet Tooth, Maneater and Snowcap (moved) [Re: the man]
    #440583 - 07/01/10 04:40 PM (11 years, 2 months ago)

well if there plants in there own rights thenthey are a stem leaf and root hahah. its ok man i do knwo whats up and you just try and pretend. its fine but i dont know why i reply to you as u seriously have no idea. at least harry does!!!


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Re: Harry's 2010 Grow Log, 1200W, Flo, Sweet Tooth, Maneater and Snowcap (moved) [Re: the man]
    #440601 - 07/01/10 05:08 PM (11 years, 2 months ago)

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Re: Harry's 2010 Grow Log, 1200W, Flo, Sweet Tooth, Maneater and Snowcap (moved) [Re: the man]
    #440614 - 07/01/10 05:28 PM (11 years, 2 months ago)

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well if there plants in there own rights thenthey are a stem leaf and root





You said all parts of a plant (specifically seeds) are modified leaves, stems, roots.

Things that fit under this category are things such as Rhizomes, Tubers, Stolols, Bulbs, Corms, Stipules, podariums, etc.

Things that don't fit under this category are things such as SEEDS.

Seeds are plants in their own right as they have everything needed to fully develop into a plant. This does not make them a modified leaf, root, or stem.


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Re: Harry's 2010 Grow Log, 1200W, Flo, Sweet Tooth, Maneater and Snowcap (moved) [Re: Harry_Ba11sach]
    #440616 - 07/01/10 05:31 PM (11 years, 2 months ago)

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Stop telling us to use our minds, it's very rude. we're obviously thinking or this wouldn't even be a discussion.

Also, Maryann already addressed your "point" with that. Seed husks have completely different physiology than the rest of the plant, your point is null and useless




K since harry knows what's up and says I've already addressed your bullshit.. does that mean you're done?


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Re: Harry's 2010 Grow Log, 1200W, Flo, Sweet Tooth, Maneater and Snowcap (moved) [Re: maryanne3087]
    #440647 - 07/01/10 06:45 PM (11 years, 2 months ago)

dude the outside of the seed is the coir look it up k??  flowers are modified leaves stamens same thing ect. teh point was its the same shit as the rest of the plant k? also if a seed is a miny root leaf and stem then it is a plant seriously dude good try you try and pick me apart but it doesnt work and you look a fool k? ya a stem cant be a modified stem good point crazy.... You dont have any clue about what a plant is and try and look shit up frantically but if you read a book you would see eventually, hopefully, maybe welllll prob not...

good effort, but you FAIL!!

hhaha let you bait me alot though but thats ok just ended up making you look dumber and dumber. your one of those people who thinks if they talk the loudest and longest you win. but im done being your teacher.


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Re: Harry's 2010 Grow Log, 1200W, Flo, Sweet Tooth, Maneater and Snowcap (moved) [Re: the man]
    #440678 - 07/01/10 07:56 PM (11 years, 2 months ago)

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dude the outside of the seed is the coir look it up k??





I mentioned this earlier, and it's not the outside of the seed the coir is the mesocarp and exocarp which is part of the fruit but not part of the seed.

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flowers are modified leaves stamens same thing ect. teh point was its the same shit as the rest of the plant k?




We are talking about seeds and not flowers, right?

A seed is a product of the flowers, a seed contains a living plant and is the product of syngamy. Since it's a product of syngamy that alone should be enough information to confirm a seed can not be a modified leaf.
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also if a seed is a miny root leaf and stem then it is a plant seriously dude good try you try and pick me apart but it doesnt work and you look a fool k?




I will need to assume you meant mini root, leaf, and stem and yes that's more or less what I'm saying. The cotyledon(s) are embryonic leaves, the "mini root" is the radicle an embryonic root, and the hypocotyl is a embryonic stem. If you typed with some proper grammar and punctuation you may be easier to understand.

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ya a stem cant be a modified stem good point crazy.... You dont have any clue about what a plant is and try and look shit up frantically but if you read a book you would see eventually, hopefully, maybe welllll prob not...




I read lots of books, maybe if you did you wouldn't type like a eight year old. I simply posted facts and you requested citing, I cite and you complain I'm looking shit up.


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Re: Harry's 2010 Grow Log, 1200W, Flo, Sweet Tooth, Maneater and Snowcap (moved) [Re: the man]
    #440735 - 07/01/10 09:42 PM (11 years, 2 months ago)

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dude the outside of the seed is the coir look it up k??  flowers are modified leaves stamens same thing ect. teh point was its the same shit as the rest of the plant k? also if a seed is a miny root leaf and stem then it is a plant seriously dude good try you try and pick me apart but it doesnt work and you look a fool k? ya a stem cant be a modified stem good point crazy.... You dont have any clue about what a plant is and try and look shit up frantically but if you read a book you would see eventually, hopefully, maybe welllll prob not...

good effort, but you FAIL!!

hhaha let you bait me alot though but thats ok just ended up making you look dumber and dumber. your one of those people who thinks if they talk the loudest and longest you win. but im done being your teacher.




Petals, sepals, bracts, and calyx's are considered modified leaves. Pistils, Stamens and Ovaries absolutely are not.


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Re: Harry's 2010 Grow Log, 1200W, Flo, Sweet Tooth, Maneater and Snowcap (moved) [Re: Harry_Ba11sach]
    #440846 - 07/02/10 02:00 AM (11 years, 2 months ago)

harry notice how the number of chambersof a pistil and thenumber of stamens all matches how leafs are formed. hmm interesting ya. also think about how plants evolved.... some had no seeds then all of a sudden they did, what this shows is that previous plants modified what they had ie leaves into things like oh lets say stamens. how else can a meristem change from a growth point to a flower point if they were not at al related. again harry ill reply to you but not to marry as he blabs abotu god knows what. i suppose i can sort of see what your saying but at the end of teh day its modified something it has. ANYWAY HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH SILICA IN DEFENSE RIGHT> i know you guys moved your argument after you realized you were wrong and likei said its basically a none argument because the product uses nutrients to raise defense and not silica...  ok??  coo


how was the flo to smoke??


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Re: Harry's 2010 Grow Log, 1200W, Flo, Sweet Tooth, Maneater and Snowcap (moved) [Re: the man]
    #440849 - 07/02/10 02:08 AM (11 years, 2 months ago)

here is a brief run down for yall haters haha

http://www.cartage.org.lb/en/themes/sciences/botanicalsciences/plantreproduction/floweringplant/FloweringPlant/FloweringPlant.htm

please note the multiple reference to what stamens are and how they evolved. i hate to be a dick, but i truly know what im talking about if i didnt i shut my face. most of you have seen me around and know im not one to stir the pot. i am demystifying things.

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Re: Harry's 2010 Grow Log, 1200W, Flo, Sweet Tooth, Maneater and Snowcap (moved) [Re: the man]
    #440861 - 07/02/10 02:29 AM (11 years, 2 months ago)

:bonghit2: I only exhaled a little.


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