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coco med and nutris ?s
    #454772 - 08/03/10 08:10 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

ok im a first time grower thats about to attempt my first grow. its from a bagseed of sum ok stuff, basically this is a trial and error run.        Now i got some MG organic bonemeal, bloodmeal, i also got a bag of garden lime, some soil acidifer/conditioner and i also got a couple bags of worm castings and a couple bricks of coco coir. now im not looking to get a 8ft plant here but atleast a good size for a decent quantity of personal.
  so my question is at what ratios should i mix all this if im gonna do one plant,in a 2-3gal pot or do i only mix certain ones for planting and certain ones for feeding. i read alot but it seems that everyone has got a different method or in my opinion theres just way to much info and opinions to get a good idea on were to strat.
    Any and all advice is appreciated but a good mixing recipe is even better. Thanx to all who take time to help a first timer

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Re: coco med and nutris ?s [Re: newpala21]
    #454904 - 08/03/10 11:36 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

http://www.growery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/125037

Here's a link to a good mix. I don't see why you couldn't substitute coir for peat. I hear it's a good idea to run water through the coir before using due to the high salt content. Also with the lime, coir has a neutral pH of 7.0, so I don't know if you would use as much lime. I'm sure the ratio on the above link was due to the Peat Moss.

The worm castings, blood, and meal meal are good starts for Nitrogen & Phosphorus. Add some sort of Potassium in there and you got yourself a solid mix. Sulfate of Potash or Kelp meal could be an option for you.

Having a pretty good understanding of coir and how it reacts when saturated, it will probably be a good idea to throw some perlite in there for aeration.

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Re: coco med and nutris ?s [Re: Agent 47]
    #455015 - 08/04/10 12:22 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

well iwas gonna use the coco with perlite mixed in it and yes i was gonna leach it good for potential salts in it. now i was also gonna make a tea with the worm castings but im unsure if i should mix in the bone and blood meal with it or should i jus mixit in a gal a with water and just water with that when needed. i dont have any guano, does anyone got an idea if ill be fine with what i got, i know the guano helps out alot but just curious if ill be fine without it. any other advice would be appreciated, thanx to all who help out.

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Re: coco med and nutris ?s [Re: newpala21]
    #455022 - 08/04/10 12:31 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

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well iwas gonna use the coco with perlite mixed in it and yes i was gonna leach it good for potential salts in it. now i was also gonna make a tea with the worm castings but im unsure if i should mix in the bone and blood meal with it or should i jus mixit in a gal a with water and just water with that when needed. i dont have any guano, does anyone got an idea if ill be fine with what i got, i know the guano helps out alot but just curious if ill be fine without it. any other advice would be appreciated, thanx to all who help out.





I can't help you with the guano teas or anything, but I have used fermented plant extracts. I put a link up in this forum, no one responded, but I have had success with them. Their easy to make and plants are widely available in nature. I know people make tea's with earth worm castings, but I'm not sure about with bone and blood meal.

A link to my grow is in my signature. I used the mix that I linked to you and I'm having good results, no deficiencies or lockouts. Only teas I used were those fermented plant extracts, and I didn't use them much. What's nice about that mix is what you need is already in the soil and it breaks down slowly, just add "organic" water. Using tap water or any form of cholrinated water will kill of your microrganisms (also posted a GREAT link for understanding that) and make it hard for the nutrients to break down.


The only thing I did was top dress the plants with extra bone meal about a week before flowering, for the phosphorus.


One reason, I don't use guano is because of the unethical extraction, but the real reason is the expense :smirk:

I'm sure it wouldn't be real expensive if you had a few plants.


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Re: coco med and nutris ?s [Re: newpala21]
    #455069 - 08/04/10 03:22 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

Boy o Boy you beginners just like jumping in head first don't you?

There are a million coco recipes all you have to do is take the effort to look for them.

As a beginner it's up to you to decide what medium to use but I'd recommend starting with real soil instead as with coco you have to make sure you give your plants EVERYTHING else they need, because the coco doesn't have anything to offer on its own. Also you need the guano for when the plant buds or you will have tiny ass nugs because worm castings lack the phosphorus and pottasium required by cannabis to grow big beautiful flowers.

Are you growing in your home or outside? Are you in the Northern Hemisphere? It's too late to start outside if you are to get a yield worth the effort. If your choosing to do it inside your home, the risk you're taking alone isn't worth the weed you're going to grow from your mediocre bagseed.

It's all on you, remember that. I just can't understand why beginners are willing to risk their freedom for a ghetto bagseed grow. Honestly it's quite a retarded notion.

Good luck all the same. There's only one way to learn how to grow, and that's by doing. But if you're going to DO IT, you should do it right.


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Re: coco med and nutris ?s [Re: PapaKush]
    #455073 - 08/04/10 03:47 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

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Boy o Boy you beginners just like jumping in head first don't you?

There are a million coco recipes all you have to do is take the effort to look for them.

As a beginner it's up to you to decide what medium to use but I'd recommend starting with real soil instead as with coco you have to make sure you give your plants EVERYTHING else they need, because the coco doesn't have anything to offer on its own. Also you need the guano for when the plant buds or you will have tiny ass nugs because worm castings lack the phosphorus and pottasium required by cannabis to grow big beautiful flowers.

Are you growing in your home or outside? Are you in the Northern Hemisphere? It's too late to start outside if you are to get a yield worth the effort. If your choosing to do it inside your home, the risk you're taking alone isn't worth the weed you're going to grow from your mediocre bagseed.

It's all on you, remember that. I just can't understand why beginners are willing to risk their freedom for a ghetto bagseed grow. Honestly it's quite a retarded notion.

Good luck all the same. There's only one way to learn how to grow, and that's by doing. But if you're going to DO IT, you should do it right.



well thanx for that reply, it seems good weed is worth going to jail for u but if u ask me no weed is worth going to jail for so ur reasoning is alittle off and retarded, its just all up to the person if they even wanna take the chance. so good or not either way it would suck to get nailed. imo id rather get nailed wit sum shity plant with barely any buds than a plant the size of a redwood wit like a qp on it.

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Re: coco med and nutris ?s [Re: newpala21]
    #455080 - 08/04/10 04:07 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

It is important for you to take the proper precautions or it's your ass not mine. I'm just trying to get you to consider more than you have. Good quality seeds or cuttings are not difficult to obtain.

When it comes to the cops if you are not a registered medical patient you can get yourself in big shit. And when theh weigh your shit they weigh pots, soil, and all, so whether your plant has a qp on it or not they can still fuck your shit up 'cause wet dirt weighs a lot too man, and cops are known to use as many dirty tricks as they can get away with to make you look like a bad guy.

If you got all your angles covered than by all means man go ahead and get planting, but still I gotta suggest you do soil first.

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Re: coco med and nutris ?s [Re: PapaKush]
    #455118 - 08/04/10 05:36 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

ok i hear ya on all that. so whats wrong with coco and how is soil better than the next. from what i read it dont mattwer what u use as a med just aslong as u do everything right for the method ur using, and i just fond a grow n brew store that carries the bat guano so ima get that and get goin wit it. im just looking for a good recipe/ratio for what i got to use, i dont wanna use to little or to much if u get what im saying

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Re: coco med and nutris ?s [Re: newpala21]
    #455141 - 08/04/10 06:38 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

In my experience soil produces better smelling and tasting bud and I spend less time checking and worrying about pH stability and nutrient availability.


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Re: coco med and nutris ?s [Re: PapaKush]
    #455377 - 08/05/10 11:56 AM (13 years, 7 months ago)

ok well im sticking with their ive read to much on how good it is, but im still unsure on mixing ratios with bone n bloodmeal, and worm castings for soil and or watering. i was gonna make a tea with the castings but im not sure if i should mix the bone n blood in with the tea or just in the soil itself. oya im using a 2-3gal pot to grow in. i got the coir and perlite mixed in good with about a .5in of perlite on the bottom, so i just gotta figure out what to mix, how much and how often. ok now lets see all the coir users reply and help a man out..      thnx all

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Re: coco med and nutris ?s [Re: newpala21]
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Re: coco med and nutris ?s [Re: newpala21]
    #455380 - 08/05/10 12:05 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

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ok well im sticking with their ive read to much on how good it is, but im still unsure on mixing ratios with bone n bloodmeal, and worm castings for soil and or watering. i was gonna make a tea with the castings but im not sure if i should mix the bone n blood in with the tea or just in the soil itself. oya im using a 2-3gal pot to grow in. i got the coir and perlite mixed in good with about a .5in of perlite on the bottom, so i just gotta figure out what to mix, how much and how often. ok now lets see all the coir users reply and help a man out..      thnx all




Well, it seems you didn't read the link, so I'll post it in here for ya. :smirk:

LC’s Soiless Mix #1:
5 parts Canadian Spaghnam Peat or Coir or Pro-Moss
3 parts perlite
2 parts wormcastings or mushroom compost or home made compost
Powdered dolomite lime @ 2 tablespoons per gallon or 1 cup per cubic foot (7.5g) of the soiless mix.
...Wal-Mart now sells worm castings.

A part can be anything, A coffee cup full, or a truckload full.

Now for the plants organic food source

RECIPE #1
If you want to use organic nutes like blood, bone and kelp...
Dry Ferts:
1 tablespoon blood meal per gallon or 1/2 cup per cubic foot of soil mix
2 tablespoons bone meal per gallon or 1 cup per cubic foot of soil mix
1-tablespoon kelp meal per gallon or 1/2 cup per cubic foot of soil mix or Maxicrop 1-0-4 powdered kelp extract as directed
1 tablespoon per gallon or 1/2 cup per cubic foot of Jersey Greensand to supplement the K (potasium) in the Kelp Meal and seaweed extract.
Mix all the dry ferts into the soiless mix well and wet it, but don't soak it with Liquid Karma and water @ 1 tbs./gal. Stir and mix it a few times a week for a week or two so the bacteria can get oxygen and break down the bone meal and make it available. And don't let the mix dry out, keep it moist and add water as needed. It'll also have time to get the humic acids in the Liquid Karma going and the dolomite lime will be better able to adjust the pH of a peat based mixture too.

Veg mix-
1/3 cup Peruvian Seabird Guano (PSG)
1/3 cup High N Bat Guano (Mexican)
1/3 cup Earth Worm Castings (EWC)
5 tsp. Maxicrop 1-0-4 powdered kelp extract
(That makes the "dry mix". You can make all you want and save it to use later.)
Mix with water @ 1 cup of dry mix into 5 gallons of water to make the tea.
To that 5 gallons of tea add:
5 tbs. Liquid Karma
5 tbs. Black Strap Molasses
Use it to water with every 3rd watering.

Flowering nute tea mix:

2/3 cup Peruvian Seabird Guano
2/3 cup Earth Worm Castings
2/3 cup High P Guano (Indonesian or Jamaican)
(That makes the "dry mix". You can make all you want and save it to use later.)
Mix with water @ 2 cups of dry mix into 5 gallons of water to make the tea.
To that 5 gallons of tea add:
5 tbs. Liquid Karma
5 tbs. Black Strap Molasses
Use it to water with EVERY watering.

You can use queen size knee high nylon stockings for tea bags. 3 pair for a dollar at the dollar store. Tell 'em you use them for paint strainers. Put the recommended tea in the stocking, tie a loop knot in it and hang it in your tea bucket. The tea should look like a mud puddle. Agitate the bag in the water vigorously. An aquarium pump and air stone will dissolve oxygen into the solution and keep the good bacteria (microherd) alive and thriving. Let it bubble a day or two before you use it. If you find you are making too much tea and having to throw it out, use 2 1/2 gallons of water and cut the nute amount by half.


You COULD use bone and blood meal in a tea, but I think your best just adding it to your "soil" and use the guano teas listed as "nute teas".


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Re: coco med and nutris ?s [Re: PapaKush]
    #455385 - 08/05/10 12:11 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

serioulsy dude, ive been reading for like 5days str8. i wouldnt be asking these questions if i found what i was asking about. i love how theres so many ppl on here with knowledge on all this and when u ask a question u dont get an answer instead u get pointed towards a thread. ever notice how alot of threads dont answer ur questions or just dont got enough info to assist u all the way.. plz nomore thread recommendations, i keep looking for them and i keep reading them, so plz if u dont got an answer/helpful opinion then plz dont waist both of our time with useless replies. thnx all

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Re: coco med and nutris ?s [Re: Agent 47]
    #455392 - 08/05/10 12:26 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

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newpala21 said:
ok well im sticking with their ive read to much on how good it is, but im still unsure on mixing ratios with bone n bloodmeal, and worm castings for soil and or watering. i was gonna make a tea with the castings but im not sure if i should mix the bone n blood in with the tea or just in the soil itself. oya im using a 2-3gal pot to grow in. i got the coir and perlite mixed in good with about a .5in of perlite on the bottom, so i just gotta figure out what to mix, how much and how often. ok now lets see all the coir users reply and help a man out..      thnx all




Well, it seems you didn't read the link, so I'll post it in here for ya. :smirk:

LC’s Soiless Mix #1:
5 parts Canadian Spaghnam Peat or Coir or Pro-Moss
3 parts perlite
2 parts wormcastings or mushroom compost or home made compost
Powdered dolomite lime @ 2 tablespoons per gallon or 1 cup per cubic foot (7.5g) of the soiless mix.
...Wal-Mart now sells worm castings.

A part can be anything, A coffee cup full, or a truckload full.

Now for the plants organic food source

RECIPE #1
If you want to use organic nutes like blood, bone and kelp...
Dry Ferts:
1 tablespoon blood meal per gallon or 1/2 cup per cubic foot of soil mix
2 tablespoons bone meal per gallon or 1 cup per cubic foot of soil mix
1-tablespoon kelp meal per gallon or 1/2 cup per cubic foot of soil mix or Maxicrop 1-0-4 powdered kelp extract as directed
1 tablespoon per gallon or 1/2 cup per cubic foot of Jersey Greensand to supplement the K (potasium) in the Kelp Meal and seaweed extract.
Mix all the dry ferts into the soiless mix well and wet it, but don't soak it with Liquid Karma and water @ 1 tbs./gal. Stir and mix it a few times a week for a week or two so the bacteria can get oxygen and break down the bone meal and make it available. And don't let the mix dry out, keep it moist and add water as needed. It'll also have time to get the humic acids in the Liquid Karma going and the dolomite lime will be better able to adjust the pH of a peat based mixture too.

Veg mix-
1/3 cup Peruvian Seabird Guano (PSG)
1/3 cup High N Bat Guano (Mexican)
1/3 cup Earth Worm Castings (EWC)
5 tsp. Maxicrop 1-0-4 powdered kelp extract
(That makes the "dry mix". You can make all you want and save it to use later.)
Mix with water @ 1 cup of dry mix into 5 gallons of water to make the tea.
To that 5 gallons of tea add:
5 tbs. Liquid Karma
5 tbs. Black Strap Molasses
Use it to water with every 3rd watering.

Flowering nute tea mix:

2/3 cup Peruvian Seabird Guano
2/3 cup Earth Worm Castings
2/3 cup High P Guano (Indonesian or Jamaican)
(That makes the "dry mix". You can make all you want and save it to use later.)
Mix with water @ 2 cups of dry mix into 5 gallons of water to make the tea.
To that 5 gallons of tea add:
5 tbs. Liquid Karma
5 tbs. Black Strap Molasses
Use it to water with EVERY watering.

You can use queen size knee high nylon stockings for tea bags. 3 pair for a dollar at the dollar store. Tell 'em you use them for paint strainers. Put the recommended tea in the stocking, tie a loop knot in it and hang it in your tea bucket. The tea should look like a mud puddle. Agitate the bag in the water vigorously. An aquarium pump and air stone will dissolve oxygen into the solution and keep the good bacteria (microherd) alive and thriving. Let it bubble a day or two before you use it. If you find you are making too much tea and having to throw it out, use 2 1/2 gallons of water and cut the nute amount by half.


You COULD use bone and blood meal in a tea, but I think your best just adding it to your "soil" and use the guano teas listed as "nute teas".



  ok well i got some of that and yes i read it 2days ago. i just kept looking and askin cuz i dont got all of those item, dont got kelp or liquid karma, or jersey greensand. would i be ok with out those to use, like i said im justy trying to use what i got and since i dont got all of that im not sure about the ratio measurements. thats basicaly why im askin these what seem to be silly and dumb questions, sorry if im annoying but i like to know exacts for sure before macking the attempt, kind of an ocd i guess

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Re: coco med and nutris ?s [Re: newpala21]
    #455400 - 08/05/10 12:42 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

just curious but should i mix the bone n bloodmeal in the coco and let it sit for a couple days before watering with the worm tea or should i just go head and mix it all in together and let it sit for a couple days. i know im a ding dong but the worlds needs me lol

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Re: coco med and nutris ?s [Re: newpala21]
    #455405 - 08/05/10 12:53 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

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dont got kelp or liquid karma, or jersey greensand. would i be ok with out those to use...




No, you won't be okay, your missing K, in the NPK ratio. Your plants with display effects of potassium deficiency, such as yellowing leaves, and stunted growth.

This is what PapaKush was trying to tell you. Soil provides a cushion for when you don't have the EXACT amount on nutrients, Coir doesn't.

If you go with with you have now, your setting yourself up for failure.


HOWEVER, with all the right nutrients, correct pH, and proper lighting, coir can preform with any other growing medium.


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Re: coco med and nutris ?s [Re: newpala21]
    #455406 - 08/05/10 12:56 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

I'd mix your bone, blood, earthworm castings, perlite, lime and coir all together and let it sit for a weak or so.

After which, you can water with your worm tea as you please.

Your going to want to provide a source of K. Sources or manure might be sufficient in providing you with your Potassium, but I can't make an guarantee's. Sulfate of Potash is cheap effective means of providing K.


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Re: coco med and nutris ?s [Re: Agent 47]
    #455452 - 08/05/10 02:41 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

Is money a serious issue for you? Or not an issue at all?

If it's not an issue then you can find the kelp or liquid karma or jersey greensand at one of your local plant nurseries or garden superstores. If you don't have access to that locally then you need to order it online. It's not going to break your bank. But again if money isn't your issue then I would also consider ordering some Canna nutrients that are specifically formulated to growing in coco and take a lot of the guess work out.

You also NEED to make sure you have a pH tester of some kind when working with coir, its a MUST HAVE. Growing in soil provides you with a buffer so nutrient lockouts and nutrient burns and pH stability will be less of a worry for a beginner such as yourself and you will get great results. Remember that coir is AN ALTERNATIVE to growing in soil, which is Mother Nature's own proven method.

I still strongly suggest you bail on the coco and learn the basics of soil and pH and nutrient availabilty with a buffer so you don't hurt your precious babies, because that's what they'll be to you, your babies. Won't somebody think of the children?!


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Re: coco med and nutris ?s [Re: PapaKush]
    #455523 - 08/05/10 04:51 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

ok i got ya, i see what ur sayin about the soil, well i had the coir i got from the pet store from an old mushie grow so it was in block form and i had to add water in order to brake it up, now i did that yesterday and rinsed it real good and let it drain over night. so today i went and mixed in some bone and bloodmeal  real good and gave it a decent watering and let it sit for about hlf hr and took the drainage and rewatered it, will that be fine till my worm tea is ready.
    now my first ? is should i not have mixed that in with the coir just yet. also, ok so now u got me convinced with the soil issue. now would some MG organic soil work just fine if i mixed it in with the coir and perlite opposed to ff or some other top grade soil, moneys not to tight but i did just have twins so im not looking to spend a whole lot more on supplies. and really quick im gonna go back and look it up but when making a worm tea do u have to have it bubbling outside in the sun or is it fine in doors were its like 75f, i got it under some of my lights bubbling but im just curious if i should move it into a warmer climate....    thnx all

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Re: coco med and nutris ?s [Re: newpala21]
    #455541 - 08/05/10 05:32 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

Forget about everything you're working with right now for one minute and answer these questions for me.

How big a space are you working with?

What light(s) are you using?

Are you only growing one plant or many plants?

What size pot(s) are you using?

Are you having one full season chamber or separate veg and flower chambers?

Do you have a pH test kit or meter?

We literally know nothing except what you've told us. We know you don't have everything to complete the soil mix you desire, but you are steaming ahead anyway. You didn't confirm for us what ratios you mixed your bone and blood meal. We just know that you've mixed some of it together.

You should slow down and get everything prepared before you jump in or you're just going to sink my friend. I too was recently a father and I can appreciate how it affects spending, but like any hobby, indoor gardening has certain expenses.

You should mix all the ingredients together at one time, and ensure you have all the ingredients that you need. Let them sit together for a week or so, mixing it up occasionally.

Adding organic soil to your mix in a ratio of MINIMUM 50/50 will give you a buffer and give you the added benefits of coco aeration but also changes the amounts of other ingredients needed in your soil mix.

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Re: coco med and nutris ?s [Re: PapaKush]
    #455566 - 08/05/10 06:31 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

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Forget about everything you're working with right now for one minute and answer these questions for me.

How big a space are you working with?

What light(s) are you using?

Are you only growing one plant or many plants?

What size pot(s) are you using?

Are you having one full season chamber or separate veg and flower chambers?

Do you have a pH test kit or meter?

We literally know nothing except what you've told us. We know you don't have everything to complete the soil mix you desire, but you are steaming ahead anyway. You didn't confirm for us what ratios you mixed your bone and blood meal. We just know that you've mixed some of it together.

You should slow down and get everything prepared before you jump in or you're just going to sink my friend. I too was recently a father and I can appreciate how it affects spending, but like any hobby, indoor gardening has certain expenses.

You should mix all the ingredients together at one time, and ensure you have all the ingredients that you need. Let them sit together for a week or so, mixing it up occasionally.

Adding organic soil to your mix in a ratio of MINIMUM 50/50 will give you a buffer and give you the added benefits of coco aeration but also changes the amounts of other ingredients needed in your soil mix.

Proper planning is necessary to achieve large and dank yields in any medium. Help us help you.




  -ok my space is pretty big about 8x7x8
 
  -lights- i got all cfl's, 3 100(23)watt with 6500k, 2 verilux at 13 watts themselves with 6500k( they produce a daylight spectrum of light and theyre meant for plants, so it says on the box). 1 75(19) watt with 5500k, and one tube light left over from a mushie grow at 23watt itself with 6500k.
 
  -yes im only growing one plant at a time
 
  -for a pot i got this old container from an old cooler, its basicaly a storage bin. its 13in long, 13in high, and 10in across. i drilled holes in the bottom and put a thin layer of perlite( bout .5in) at the bottom of it.

  -yes im only doing a 1 season room.

  - for a ph tester i got a high grade water tester kit for my fish tank, its all liquids, just fill the tester tube and add the proper testing chemical. it can test for ph, ammonia, high range ph, nitrates nitrites.

  - as for what i mixed already, i used 1 whole brick of coir, about an equal amount of perlite( didnt measure just added till it looked evenly mixed )a cup of bloodmeal and a 1.5cup of bonemeal.

  thats everything i used/did as in mixing, and yes u r right boss i did kinda just rush in, got alittle excited there and yes plz help me help myself lololol :crazy:

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Re: coco med and nutris ?s [Re: newpala21]
    #455577 - 08/05/10 06:57 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

Ok so you've got about 7 CFLs with a total 137 watts. This much light is about enough to throw into a 2x4 or 3x4 space and provide enough light to grow mothers and clones but even one plant with all this light crammed around it as close as possible will still provide only a small yield for you.

My advice to you, hearing that you have a young family, is to really think about this. If you get busted your family will be torn apart all over one small plant in a big ass room. Risking your family over one plant is NOT worth it for the yield you will get just go buy yourself an ounce.

This now is just risk management. If you are THAT convinced that growing weed is what you MUST do with yourself, as it is for myself and many others, I really urge you to DO IT RIGHT. You've been reading for 5 days. Keep reading. Learn as much as you can before you involve yourself in this hobby. I just want you to be a safe cultivator. Rushing in and doing things without thinking everything through is where horror stories begin.


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Re: coco med and nutris ?s [Re: PapaKush]
    #455597 - 08/05/10 07:20 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

well u make a very damn good valid point my man and thank u for showing the concern. i have considered that and all the repercusions aswell. well i hear ya on just go by an oz but the shit, the good shit, is like 4-500$ and im not trying to pay that. i wasnt really goin for a monster plant, just want something kinda small to give/produce alittle for personal. i dont need several oz out of it. if i could just possibly get a qt id be completely happy with that out come.
  ok maybe my space is smaller than what i described, but its not that big but anyways ya im just trying to get a small pers plant nothing huge with high yeilds..
  again thank u for the concern much appreciated

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    #455615 - 08/05/10 07:35 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

hey papakush u got an opinion on the worm castings tea on weather or not i should let it sit in the sun while its bubbling or will it be fine inside the house. its like 75 to 80 depending on the day, by the way right now its in a spot bubbling that gets no light unless i turn the lights on and the waters pretty cold too

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Re: coco med and nutrients ?s [Re: newpala21]
    #455670 - 08/05/10 08:31 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

I think your tea will be fine as it is. I have always made teas indoors, as I've never been a landowner. In fact I do all of my processes indoors and haven't come across too many pitfalls.

I have a friend who uses a spinning compost bin in his high rise apartment without issue. He also has a worm farm indoors with terrific results. One way to get your own worm castings is to get your own worms. These two options give you excellent tea to use that drains out of the bottom.


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    #456341 - 08/07/10 12:14 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

ok i jus went and stirred my mixture of the coir, blood n bonemeal with the worm castings in it and i couldnt help but notice that there was a noticeable amount of heat that got released when i stirred it ande the weirder part was that it kinda smelled like ammonia,so i thought, now im not sure if this is common or not but anybody ever had similar encounters with this, any opinions or is everything going fine. by the way, its been sitting doing its thing for 3days now and gets plenty of air exchange. thnx all

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Re: coco med and nutrients ?s [Re: PapaKush]
    #456344 - 08/07/10 12:19 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

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I think your tea will be fine as it is. I have always made teas indoors, as I've never been a landowner. In fact I do all of my processes indoors and haven't come across too many pitfalls.

I have a friend who uses a spinning compost bin in his high rise apartment without issue. He also has a worm farm indoors with terrific results. One way to get your own worm castings is to get your own worms. These two options give you excellent tea to use that drains out of the bottom.



just wanna make sure on this before i doit, is the drainage ok to rewater with in the same day after it has drained out or just dump it, in other wards, water let drain and then use the drainage to rewater or is that one wqtering good enough

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Re: coco med and nutrients ?s [Re: newpala21]
    #456460 - 08/07/10 05:29 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

Double watering is great. It gives your medium a chance to absorb a larger percentage of total water and avoids creating dry pockets within the root zone. I would recommend waiting 3-6 hours before the second watering.

Just make sure you keep the pH right.


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Re: coco med and nutrients ?s [Re: PapaKush]
    #456558 - 08/07/10 08:20 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

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Double watering is great. It gives your medium a chance to absorb a larger percentage of total water and avoids creating dry pockets within the root zone. I would recommend waiting 3-6 hours before the second watering.

Just make sure you keep the pH right.



hey papa u got an opinion on my mixture havin a heat build up, i assumed its from the bacteria breaking down the goodies, but then like i said it seemed like there was an odor of ammonia coming from my soil, atleast thats what it smelled like to me...
    on another note i went to home depot to get sulfate of potash or jersey greensand cause the lady i talked to yesterday said they had both of those. now i went there today and asked the garden mngr were it was and guess what, the bitch lied, they didnt have either one, but on the upside i got " espoma plant-tone" now heres the contents of it.
-total N 5%
  .5% ammoniacal N
  .5% other water soluble N
  4.0% water insoluble N
  - available phosphate(P205) 3.0%
  - soluble potash(K20) 3.0%
  -calcium 3.0%
  -total MG .5%
  0.3 water soluble MG
  -sulfur 1.0%
    1.0% combined sulfur
  -boron 0.02%
  -chlorine 0.1%
  -cobalt 0.0005%
  -total copper 0.05%
  -total iron 1.0%
  -total manganese .05%
    0.01%  water soluble manganese
  -molybdenum  0.0005%
  - sodium 0.1%
  - total zinc 0.05%

  potential acidity equivalent to 80lbs CA CO3 per ton.

    derived from: dehydrated manure, feather manure, crab meal, corn gluten, bone meal, dried blood, sunflower meal, kelp meal, alfalfa meal, greensand, rock phosphate, sulfate of potash, sulfate of magnesia, and humates.

  5% of N, 3% of phosphate, and 1% of potash is natural organic

  plant-tone is a complete plant food. it contains all the essential plant nutrients.
 
    now thats everything it list as far as ingredients, my question is since they didnt have just potash of any kind or greensand will this be ok and just fine to use since i didnt have potassium in my mix or is this gonna spike my levels of goodness since i already added bone n bloodmeal to my medium (using coir wit perlite mixed in it).    any opinion will do to who reads this. thnx all

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Re: coco med and nutrients ?s [Re: newpala21]
    #456615 - 08/07/10 10:32 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

What you bought today is not suitable to use to create the mix you want.

Here's what I suggest you do. If you haven't realized yet that working with coco gets complicated REAL FAST, realize it NOW! You have spent all this time and effort and all you keep doing is running into issues.

Let me help you be successful. You're a first time grower. You're over excited at the prospect of growing your own crop. I get that. I been there. But what you need to do is get a concrete plan together. You need to get every piece of the puzzle before you can put it together properly.

This is what I see; I see a man falling down a rabbit hole after stumbling into it blindfolded.

Having a new family is stressful enough without the added stress of a complicated first grow. Do yourself a favor and bail on the coco idea. For $20 you can buy a big bag of organic soil and get your first grow started without having to worry about all the small details.

I really think it will benefit you to learn first with soil and then maybe you will have the experience you need to work with coco coir by your next season.

My opinion is that no matter what you do if you start with coco you are doomed to fail. You simply will be spending too much time surfing forums trying to figure out what the brown spots are or why your leaves are yellow and not spending that time with your new family. With soil you can rest easy knowing that as long as your water's pH is good, your plants are probably happy.

If you build your own veg/flower soils with organic ingredients its like those damn infomercials, "set it and forget it". Just add pH balanced water.

With coir, you practically have to bust out your science kit everytime your plants get thirsty just to prevent future disaster.

Ultimately it's up to you, but quot trying to cut corners with substitute ingredients. Either get all the right ingredients or don't bother at all.


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    #456999 - 08/08/10 08:18 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

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What you bought today is not suitable to use to create the mix you want.

Here's what I suggest you do. If you haven't realized yet that working with coco gets complicated REAL FAST, realize it NOW! You have spent all this time and effort and all you keep doing is running into issues.

Let me help you be successful. You're a first time grower. You're over excited at the prospect of growing your own crop. I get that. I been there. But what you need to do is get a concrete plan together. You need to get every piece of the puzzle before you can put it together properly.

This is what I see; I see a man falling down a rabbit hole after stumbling into it blindfolded.

Having a new family is stressful enough without the added stress of a complicated first grow. Do yourself a favor and bail on the coco idea. For $20 you can buy a big bag of organic soil and get your first grow started without having to worry about all the small details.

I really think it will benefit you to learn first with soil and then maybe you will have the experience you need to work with coco coir by your next season.

My opinion is that no matter what you do if you start with coco you are doomed to fail. You simply will be spending too much time surfing forums trying to figure out what the brown spots are or why your leaves are yellow and not spending that time with your new family. With soil you can rest easy knowing that as long as your water's pH is good, your plants are probably happy.

If you build your own veg/flower soils with organic ingredients its like those damn infomercials, "set it and forget it". Just add pH balanced water.

With coir, you practically have to bust out your science kit everytime your plants get thirsty just to prevent future disaster.

Ultimately it's up to you, but quot trying to cut corners with substitute ingredients. Either get all the right ingredients or don't bother at all.



  well again my good sir you have a valid point about it being time consuming, so should i try and locate or order some ff organic soil or would some miracle grow organic soil work just fine for the crop.  thanx for taking time to explain and slap alittle sense into me about this operation as i do have a tendency to be an impulser on such things, u should be a motivational speaker lol. also will that soil itself be enough or am i gonna need some other stuff besides what i have,or will the soil be plentiful  for the duration of the grow till it is harvested... thnx all

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    #457032 - 08/08/10 09:40 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

Ok man I started you a new thread! <-- click there :p


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