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OfflineHanky
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Re: Coco Growers Thread. [Re: coda]
    #14035 - 04/27/08 03:10 AM (11 years, 24 days ago)

What problems are you having?


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Re: Coco Growers Thread. [Re: Hanky]
    #14037 - 04/27/08 03:13 AM (11 years, 24 days ago)

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Trimming the leaves right back helps prevent water loss due to transpiration and low light levels reduce photo synthesis allowing the clones to concentrate on rooting instead of stressing by trying to photosynthesize light while having no incoming nutrient supply.




Sounds like a great idea, but to what extent do the leaves get trimmed back? :smile:


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Re: Coco Growers Thread. [Re: Sirius]
    #14130 - 04/27/08 01:48 PM (11 years, 23 days ago)

I usually cut my clones leaves about quarter to half of the leaf off for transpiration.


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Re: Coco Growers Thread. [Re: Hanky]
    #14235 - 04/27/08 04:28 PM (11 years, 23 days ago)

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What problems are you having?




they don't want to root, period. Out of the 50 clones my friend took only 5 survived. I never really got to use the method i prefer, but, he went out and bought an ez cloner and even that couldn't get his cuttings to show roots. They sit there, look nice and green for a week or so, then they crisp up and die.

I just got my peat pellets and preferred rooting hormone in. I'm going over in a day or two to take some more cuttings and see if my method works for them. Along side that i'll try your method and compare.


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Re: Coco Growers Thread. [Re: coda]
    #14256 - 04/27/08 05:14 PM (11 years, 23 days ago)

Hmmm.. Some strains are difficult to clone, but having a 10% success rate something is wrong.

Here is the way I clone maybe it'll work if you're having trouble. I start off by cutting big healthy strong clones because they are more stable than little clones. I split the bottom of the cutting up about half an inch to increase surface area for rooting.

I dip the bottom in water immediately. Then I dip in rooting hormone gel. You dip it in water to prevent air from getting trapped in there before you dunk in rooting hormone gel.

After I dunk in the gel I put them in 1 inch rockwool cubes and dunk them in a B1 & H2O solution. Always use quarter to half strength of recommended dose from whatever B1 brand you use until you are certain of its strength. Got to be gentle with these little girls. After being dunked in a b1 and h20 solution I put them in a tray to root under a humidity dome. Keep humidity over 80%, use a humidity dome and mist with water multiple times a day. I also use a seed mat that I put under the plastic tray which gives off a little bit of heat underneath to stimulate rooth growth.

After a couple of days I give them extremely light veg formula.


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Re: Coco Growers Thread. [Re: Evan]
    #14585 - 04/28/08 12:49 PM (11 years, 22 days ago)

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Here is the way I clone maybe it'll work if you're having trouble.




Oh, im confident with my cloning methods. These were all cuttings my friend took. Some were too small, some had stems that were too woody, etc. At first i thought it was something wrong with his method, but when he bought the ez cloner and go the same results it made me wonder if it was just the plant and not him.

Now that i have my peat pellets and rooting gel he wants me to come over and take more cuttings. I'm going to take a bunch of cuttings from different parts and use my method, hanky's method, and if he has room i'll try the ez cloner as well.


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Re: Coco Growers Thread. [Re: Dexter_Morgan]
    #15700 - 04/30/08 03:32 PM (11 years, 20 days ago)

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fuck, ive probably already asked you this, but i'll ask again, have you ever ran 100% coir?  Or other types of coir than you normally use?  What made you settle on 60/40?

Personally, i've always used chunky coir, its almost like mulch, but the last time i was at my local gardening center :wink:, I picked up some stuff which is very fine grade.  I think its called 'Phase One', its packaged by the makers of the 'EZ Clone' machine.  Ive got a batch of clones coming up im gonna run them both side by side, and see which one the girls like better.




Get back to us on this, I'm interested to see what straight coir does. I talked to some people today who swear by straight coir talking about getting almost double yields on their soil. I'm going to try it straight up this run hmm.

Some of you may find this intersting its the "Idiots Guide to Coco-Coir Growing" at cannaseedcollective.com with added discussion on coco as a medium. https://www.cannaseedcollective.ca/forum/showthread.php?t=2319

Hanky, how often are you watering with your 60/40 mix?


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Re: Coco Growers Thread. [Re: Evan]
    #15811 - 04/30/08 09:02 PM (11 years, 20 days ago)

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Hanky, how often are you watering with your 60/40 mix?




Using 5 gallon buckets I need to water once every two or three days.


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Re: Coco Growers Thread. [Re: Hanky]
    #15832 - 04/30/08 09:38 PM (11 years, 20 days ago)

I mixed my coco like yours but also added those lava rock marbles.

Still not sure if I prefer it to ProMix,
but I am happy to use a renewable resource as opposed to peat.


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Re: Coco Growers Thread. [Re: fondacox]
    #15886 - 04/30/08 10:21 PM (11 years, 20 days ago)

Are you using Coco specific nutes? They're worth it IMO.


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Re: Coco Growers Thread. [Re: Hanky]
    #16094 - 05/01/08 12:28 AM (11 years, 20 days ago)

No, general hydro and others...

I have lots of nutes, so I'm not going to consider switching until I use these up.

Here is what I use: Fonda Cox's Feeding Program


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Re: Coco Growers Thread. [Re: fondacox]
    #16516 - 05/01/08 09:00 PM (11 years, 19 days ago)

fondacox how are your yeilds looking with the mix you have?

To me it only makes sense to use coco nutes if you are starting with fresh coco, if you are reusing then you don't need nutes specific to a medium high in potassium because there should be little potassium left after a full run and complete rinsing. Unless for some reason there still is large amounts of K still left in there, I doubt it though.


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Re: Coco Growers Thread. [Re: Evan]
    #16557 - 05/01/08 10:03 PM (11 years, 19 days ago)

This is my first time using it, just repotted my clones a few weeks ago in it.  I've already learned the hard way that I have to feed them every watering.  Using peat I fed once and watered once. 

I might switch back if they don't perk up soon :foreheadslap:

Honestly I never had so many problems, first the ballast goes, then the outlet gets fried, now the plants aren't as happy in the coco...it's definitely been a challenging week.


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Re: Coco Growers Thread. [Re: fondacox]
    #16587 - 05/01/08 10:44 PM (11 years, 19 days ago)

Keep us updated!

I'm about to drop my vegging girls in coco, I'm think I'll use CNS17 which is Botanicare's Coco nutrient for my first run.


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Re: Coco Growers Thread. [Re: Evan]
    #16643 - 05/01/08 11:32 PM (11 years, 19 days ago)

I know I am just asking for drama, but I'm going to hold off on flowering till I get the hang of the coco in veg...

This will also give me time to buy and assemble one of these:



Hydro Home

I'm tired of wasting my light on such a small space. Probably either Manhatan or London for the extra space.


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Re: Coco Growers Thread. [Re: fondacox]
    #16695 - 05/02/08 12:43 AM (11 years, 19 days ago)

i have the same size room, different company though, and they're pretty fucking big.  Once i get the room to set it up and im putting it back into use, you can fit a fuckton of plants in there :laugh:


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Re: Coco Growers Thread. [Re: coda]
    #16735 - 05/02/08 12:55 AM (11 years, 19 days ago)

Sweet!  I just want to use my 1000W to it's potential...

Stupid cabinets :kingcrankey:


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Re: Coco Growers Thread. [Re: coda]
    #16957 - 05/02/08 08:16 AM (11 years, 19 days ago)

stupid question, but is 'coco' the same as 'coco coir'? thanks in advanced.


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Re: Coco Growers Thread. [Re: bwoy]
    #17022 - 05/02/08 10:39 AM (11 years, 18 days ago)

Actually its hot chocolate with those little freeze dried mashmallows. Some people are adding perlite when there aren't enough marshmallows. no no no just playing . Yes, 'Coco' is Coco Coir.


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Re: Coco Growers Thread. [Re: bwoy]
    #17666 - 05/02/08 11:11 PM (11 years, 18 days ago)

It's a valid question, there is also coco fiber.

The stuff we are talking about is actually sold by hydroponic companies like "Grotek" and other.

But yes, I believe it is coco coir, the same thing used in mushroom cultivation.


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