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OfflineBlargIAmDead


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    #125037 - 09/23/08 02:31 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

Stole this from ICmag. Should I reference the user who posted it?

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Here are some tried and true recipes for getting started in organic growing. Pick one of the first two soiless mix recipes for your grow medium. Then, choose a nute recipe that will work best for what you have available.

Enjoy...

Here are two very good organic soiless mixes...

LC’s Soiless Mix #1:
5 parts Canadian Spaghnam Peat or Coir or Pro-Moss
3 parts perlite
2 parts wormcastings or mushroom compost or home made compost
Powdered dolomite lime @ 2 tablespoons per gallon or 1 cup per cubic foot of the soiless mix.
...Wal-Mart now sells worm castings.

Or, if you use Pro Mix or Sunshine Mix...
LC's Soiless Mix #2:
6 parts Pro Mix BX or HP / Sunshine Mix (any flavor from #1 up)
2 parts perlite
2 parts earthworm castings
Powdered dolomite lime @ 2 tablespoons per gallon or 1 cup per cubic foot of the soiless mix.
If you use a 3 qt. saucepan as “parts” in the amounts given above, it equals about 1 cu. ft. of soiless mix and you can just dump in a cup of powdered dolomite lime.
But, a "part" can be anything from a tablespoon to a five gallon bucket. Just use the same item for all of the "parts".

Now for the plants organic food source

RECIPE #1
If you want to use organic nutes like blood, bone and kelp...
Dry Ferts:
1 tablespoon blood meal per gallon or 1/2 cup per cubic foot of soil mix
2 tablespoons bone meal per gallon or 1 cup per cubic foot of soil mix
1-tablespoon kelp meal per gallon or 1/2 cup per cubic foot of soil mix or Maxicrop 1-0-4 powdered kelp extract as directed
1 tablespoon per gallon or 1/2 cup per cubic foot of Jersey Greensand to supplement the K (potasium) in the Kelp Meal and seaweed extract.
Mix all the dry ferts into the soiless mix well and wet it, but don't soak it with Liquid Karma and water @ 1 tbs./gal. Stir and mix it a few times a week for a week or two so the bacteria can get oxygen and break down the bone meal and make it available. And don't let the mix dry out, keep it moist and add water as needed. It'll also have time to get the humic acids in the Liquid Karma going and the dolomite lime will be better able to adjust the pH of a peat based mixture too.


RECIPE #2
If you want to use guano in your soil mix...
Bongaloid's Guano Mix.
Use all these items combined with one gallon of soil mix.
1/3C hi N Guano (Mexican Bat Guano)
1/2C hi P Guano (Jamaican or Indonesian Bat Guano)
1TBS Jersey Greensand
1TBS Kelp Meal


RECIPE #3 (My favorite)
If you want to use guano tea and kelp...

Guano Tea and Kelp:

Seedlings less than 1 month old nute tea mix-
Mix 1 cup earthworm castings into 5 gallons of water to make the tea.
Add 5 tbs. Black Strap Molasses.
Use it to water your seedlings with every 3rd watering.

Veg mix-
1/3 cup Peruvian Seabird Guano (PSG)
1/3 cup High N Bat Guano (Mexican)
1/3 cup Earth Worm Castings (EWC)
5 tsp. Maxicrop 1-0-4 powdered kelp extract
(That makes the "dry mix". You can make all you want and save it to use later.)
Mix with water @ 1 cup of dry mix into 5 gallons of water to make the tea.
To that 5 gallons of tea add:
5 tbs. Liquid Karma
5 tbs. Black Strap Molasses
Use it to water with every 3rd watering.

Flowering nute tea mix:
2/3 cup Peruvian Seabird Guano
2/3 cup Earth Worm Castings
2/3 cup High P Guano (Indonesian or Jamaican)
(That makes the "dry mix". You can make all you want and save it to use later.)
Mix with water @ 2 cups of dry mix into 5 gallons of water to make the tea.
To that 5 gallons of tea add:
5 tbs. Liquid Karma
5 tbs. Black Strap Molasses
Use it to water with EVERY watering.

You can use queen size knee high nylon stockings for tea bags. 3 pair for a dollar at the dollar store. Tell 'em you use them for paint strainers. Put the recommended tea in the stocking, tie a loop knot in it and hang it in your tea bucket. The tea should look like a mud puddle. Agitate the bag in the water vigorously. An aquarium pump and air stone will dissolve oxygen into the solution and keep the good bacteria (microherd) alive and thriving. Let it bubble a day or two before you use it. If you find you are making too much tea and having to throw it out, use 2 1/2 gallons of water and cut the nute amount by half.


RECIPE #4
Three Little Birds Method
40 gallons used soil
4 cups alfalfa meal
4 cups bone meal
4 cups kelp meal
4 cups powdered dolomite lime
30 pound bag of earthworm castings . . .
That’s the basic recipe . . .
However we also like to use
4 cups of Greensand
4 cups of Rock Phosphate
4 cups of diatomaceous earth


RECIPE #5
Fish and Seaweed (This is sooo easy)

For veg growth…
1 capful 5-1-1 Fish Emulsion
1 capful 0-0-1 Maxicrop liquid
1 gallon H2O

For early flowering…
1 tbs. Neptune’s Harvest 2-3-1 Fish/Seaweed
1 gallon H2O

For mid to late flowering…
1 tbs. Neptune’s Harvest 2-4-1 Fish
1 gallon H2O


And now for some more good tips...

Organic pH issues

I hear a lot of people asking or talking about the pH of their organic soil mix or organic nute solution and how they might correct or adjust it. pH in organics is not an issue like it is in synthetic growing.
The best place to settle the pH issues in organics is within the grow medium. A medium rich in humates (humus) is the place to start. Humates work to "buffer" the pH of organic mediums and the nutes you pour (or mix) into it.
Humates come from compost, worm castings and bottled humus. If you use a peat based medum, use dolomite lime to raise the pH of the acidic peat. Dolomite should be used in any soil or soiless medium to provide magnesium and calcium. But since we are talking about pH here, I'll mention dolomite lime's pH correction benefits.
A medium of coir has a pH near neutral (or 7.0). But humates are still neded to allow uptake of organic nutrients that are outside a near neutral pH range.
With an active medium rich in humates you can pour in nutes like Pure Blend Pro, Earth Juice and guano teas way outside the optimum pH range without worry. The humus will allow the nutes to be taken up through the roots, even at such an extreme pH reading.
So throw those pH meters away folks and enjoy the ease and safety of organic gardening.

Chlorine tap water

Just a word of caution for you organic heads out there...
If you are tapped onto a municipal water supply that uses chlorine to kill bacteria in the water, it'll do the same thing to the bacteria (microherd) in your organic food source.
Always bubble your municipal water in an open container (5 gallon bucket) for 24 hours before adding ANYTHING organic to it.

Flushing

There is absolutely no reason to "flush" organic nute solutions from your soil mix. In an organic grow, the plants don't take up the organic nutes (guano, bone, blood or kelp). The bacteria eat the organic nutes and excrete food that the plant can feed off of. So the organic nutes don't need to be flushed because they never enter the plant. And besides, meals like kelp, bone and blood along with worm castings and dolomite can't be flushed from your soil mix anyway. If you use guano and seaweed, try using plain water or worm casting tea for your last watering or two so the plant can use up what's left in the soil. But drowning your soil with water isn't necessary.

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Re: Organics for Beginners [Re: BlargIAmDead]
    #125069 - 09/23/08 04:19 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

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BlargIAmDead said:
Stole this from ICmag. Should I reference the user who posted it?




If it was his original material, then I think it would be due. :wink:


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Re: Organics for Beginners [Re: Sirius]
    #125092 - 09/23/08 07:18 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

thanks!


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Re: Organics for Beginners [Re: impgl]
    #125116 - 09/23/08 09:37 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

I think the quote here key to everyone growing organically, however I have a correction to make to it.
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Chlorine tap water

Just a word of caution for you organic heads out there...
If you are tapped onto a municipal water supply that uses chlorine to kill bacteria in the water, it'll do the same thing to the bacteria (microherd) in your organic food source.
Always bubble your municipal water in an open container (5 gallon bucket) for 24 hours before adding ANYTHING organic to it.





DO NOT use tap water at all, bubbling your water doesn't solve the problem, there will still be Chlorine and chloramine present in the water. Use some other source of water, reverse osmosis ideally, but rain water is also a good choice. Organics is all about the microherd so there is no point in committing a microbe genocide twice a week when watering.


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Re: Organics for Beginners [Re: DungenessDank]
    #125154 - 09/23/08 11:20 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

Yet a couple dozen organic growers who can't ALL be using RO or rainwater haven't piped up saying this is bunk advice? I think it'll be okay O.o


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Re: Organics for Beginners [Re: BlargIAmDead]
    #125212 - 09/24/08 06:09 AM (8 years, 2 months ago)

Most people who use tap-water let the water sit out for a good couple days before they use it to allow the chloramine to evaporate from the water. Either way, it would always be more preferable when growing organic to use water that isn't tap, because they specifically put stuff in there to kill off a big part of what makes organics a good thing.


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Re: Organics for Beginners [Re: Sirius]
    #161197 - 12/12/08 04:58 PM (7 years, 11 months ago)

Chloramine does not readily evaporate, even after a week of sitting. 

I used to think that bubbling/letting sit for 24 - 48 hours was sufficient, until I decided to use only distilled water on my new mini project.  Needless to say, I bought an RO filter yesterday.  The difference is that obvious when using bennies.


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Re: Organics for Beginners [Re: RapidRoots]
    #162838 - 12/14/08 09:53 PM (7 years, 11 months ago)

No joke?  So distilled or RO only for organic?  That dicks me being in an apartment... i aint got the money for distilled and such...


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Re: Organics for Beginners [Re: Kine]
    #163527 - 12/16/08 04:21 AM (7 years, 11 months ago)

isnt distilled water fairly cheap? like 1$ for 10gals?


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Re: Organics for Beginners [Re: captain.koons]
    #163620 - 12/16/08 11:41 AM (7 years, 11 months ago)

Nothing is cheap bro...

Living on your own, colllege student, more then one single plant that would need watering... It adds up!


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Re: Organics for Beginners [Re: Kine]
    #163876 - 12/16/08 04:54 PM (7 years, 11 months ago)

a big plant needs like 1quart of water a day, if you can't afford it you can't afford it I guess.


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Re: Organics for Beginners [Re: captain.koons]
    #163887 - 12/16/08 05:01 PM (7 years, 11 months ago)

exactly, singular large plant.  But then you start getting up to like 10 large plants, and ass soon as we have the number of plants, we have the housing for up to 42 plants, but we'll max it at 24 probably... it adds up quick.


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Re: Organics for Beginners [Re: Kine]
    #193432 - 02/08/09 11:35 PM (7 years, 9 months ago)

You can buy an RO unit for drinking water from your tap for 150$ and up.  If you have one big plant.  Go stand outside a convenience store and bum a dollar a week for distilled water.  If your growing more then you should be able to afford it. 

Indoor anything costs money.  <shrugs>


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Re: Organics for Beginners [Re: JSweed]
    #196738 - 02/16/09 11:41 PM (7 years, 9 months ago)

So what if you live in the country like I do, we have wells. I use well water. That should be ok right?


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Re: Organics for Beginners [Re: Psilomind2]
    #196752 - 02/16/09 11:57 PM (7 years, 9 months ago)

Depends on how good the well is... test the water


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Re: Organics for Beginners [Re: Kine]
    #197280 - 02/18/09 07:05 PM (7 years, 9 months ago)

Do some reading on water purity and water filtration.  I am actually not a big fan of RO after some heavy reading a week ago.  Well water could have some real issues.  you will have to read up on it.


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Re: Organics for Beginners [Re: JSweed]
    #209089 - 03/26/09 12:31 PM (7 years, 8 months ago)

not sure if it was mentioned or not, but UV is what gets rid of chlorine in water.  if your sitting a bucket in a dark closet, you better wait more than 2 days.... 24 hours in direct sun will do the job.  we HAD to do this in the zoo, or the chlorines in the water would wreck havoc on many of the sensitive animals like amphibians.


i like some of those recipes, im going to try a couple of those tea methods out for parts of the garden :smile:


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Re: Organics for Beginners [Re: Chapter 4]
    #211840 - 04/03/09 02:42 PM (7 years, 8 months ago)

Not all tap water contains chloramine(I know mine doesn't), check with your local water company to find out.


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Re: Organics for Beginners [Re: Andre Nickatina]
    #219307 - 04/24/09 01:43 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

Psilomind2, well water could be just fine.  There's definitely a lot of things that can be wrong with it, though.  If you live by a factory farm the nitrates from animal wastes can contaminate the water or if you're by a big conventional crop farm there can be fertilizers and pesticides that leech down into the groundwater.  What other uses do you have for the well?  Personally, if I had a well I would be very interested to know what the water is like and would start looking up how to get my water tested asap.


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Re: Organics for Beginners [Re: BlargIAmDead]
    #263991 - 08/12/09 07:39 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

thanks blarg, and burn1. i'm gonna start my first grow and going all organic, so this is perfect


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