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OfflineBlargIAmDead


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    #125037 - 09/23/08 01:31 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

Stole this from ICmag. Should I reference the user who posted it?

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Here are some tried and true recipes for getting started in organic growing. Pick one of the first two soiless mix recipes for your grow medium. Then, choose a nute recipe that will work best for what you have available.

Enjoy...

Here are two very good organic soiless mixes...

LC’s Soiless Mix #1:
5 parts Canadian Spaghnam Peat or Coir or Pro-Moss
3 parts perlite
2 parts wormcastings or mushroom compost or home made compost
Powdered dolomite lime @ 2 tablespoons per gallon or 1 cup per cubic foot of the soiless mix.
...Wal-Mart now sells worm castings.

Or, if you use Pro Mix or Sunshine Mix...
LC's Soiless Mix #2:
6 parts Pro Mix BX or HP / Sunshine Mix (any flavor from #1 up)
2 parts perlite
2 parts earthworm castings
Powdered dolomite lime @ 2 tablespoons per gallon or 1 cup per cubic foot of the soiless mix.
If you use a 3 qt. saucepan as “parts” in the amounts given above, it equals about 1 cu. ft. of soiless mix and you can just dump in a cup of powdered dolomite lime.
But, a "part" can be anything from a tablespoon to a five gallon bucket. Just use the same item for all of the "parts".

Now for the plants organic food source

RECIPE #1
If you want to use organic nutes like blood, bone and kelp...
Dry Ferts:
1 tablespoon blood meal per gallon or 1/2 cup per cubic foot of soil mix
2 tablespoons bone meal per gallon or 1 cup per cubic foot of soil mix
1-tablespoon kelp meal per gallon or 1/2 cup per cubic foot of soil mix or Maxicrop 1-0-4 powdered kelp extract as directed
1 tablespoon per gallon or 1/2 cup per cubic foot of Jersey Greensand to supplement the K (potasium) in the Kelp Meal and seaweed extract.
Mix all the dry ferts into the soiless mix well and wet it, but don't soak it with Liquid Karma and water @ 1 tbs./gal. Stir and mix it a few times a week for a week or two so the bacteria can get oxygen and break down the bone meal and make it available. And don't let the mix dry out, keep it moist and add water as needed. It'll also have time to get the humic acids in the Liquid Karma going and the dolomite lime will be better able to adjust the pH of a peat based mixture too.


RECIPE #2
If you want to use guano in your soil mix...
Bongaloid's Guano Mix.
Use all these items combined with one gallon of soil mix.
1/3C hi N Guano (Mexican Bat Guano)
1/2C hi P Guano (Jamaican or Indonesian Bat Guano)
1TBS Jersey Greensand
1TBS Kelp Meal


RECIPE #3 (My favorite)
If you want to use guano tea and kelp...

Guano Tea and Kelp:

Seedlings less than 1 month old nute tea mix-
Mix 1 cup earthworm castings into 5 gallons of water to make the tea.
Add 5 tbs. Black Strap Molasses.
Use it to water your seedlings with every 3rd watering.

Veg mix-
1/3 cup Peruvian Seabird Guano (PSG)
1/3 cup High N Bat Guano (Mexican)
1/3 cup Earth Worm Castings (EWC)
5 tsp. Maxicrop 1-0-4 powdered kelp extract
(That makes the "dry mix". You can make all you want and save it to use later.)
Mix with water @ 1 cup of dry mix into 5 gallons of water to make the tea.
To that 5 gallons of tea add:
5 tbs. Liquid Karma
5 tbs. Black Strap Molasses
Use it to water with every 3rd watering.

Flowering nute tea mix:
2/3 cup Peruvian Seabird Guano
2/3 cup Earth Worm Castings
2/3 cup High P Guano (Indonesian or Jamaican)
(That makes the "dry mix". You can make all you want and save it to use later.)
Mix with water @ 2 cups of dry mix into 5 gallons of water to make the tea.
To that 5 gallons of tea add:
5 tbs. Liquid Karma
5 tbs. Black Strap Molasses
Use it to water with EVERY watering.

You can use queen size knee high nylon stockings for tea bags. 3 pair for a dollar at the dollar store. Tell 'em you use them for paint strainers. Put the recommended tea in the stocking, tie a loop knot in it and hang it in your tea bucket. The tea should look like a mud puddle. Agitate the bag in the water vigorously. An aquarium pump and air stone will dissolve oxygen into the solution and keep the good bacteria (microherd) alive and thriving. Let it bubble a day or two before you use it. If you find you are making too much tea and having to throw it out, use 2 1/2 gallons of water and cut the nute amount by half.


RECIPE #4
Three Little Birds Method
40 gallons used soil
4 cups alfalfa meal
4 cups bone meal
4 cups kelp meal
4 cups powdered dolomite lime
30 pound bag of earthworm castings . . .
That’s the basic recipe . . .
However we also like to use
4 cups of Greensand
4 cups of Rock Phosphate
4 cups of diatomaceous earth


RECIPE #5
Fish and Seaweed (This is sooo easy)

For veg growth…
1 capful 5-1-1 Fish Emulsion
1 capful 0-0-1 Maxicrop liquid
1 gallon H2O

For early flowering…
1 tbs. Neptune’s Harvest 2-3-1 Fish/Seaweed
1 gallon H2O

For mid to late flowering…
1 tbs. Neptune’s Harvest 2-4-1 Fish
1 gallon H2O


And now for some more good tips...

Organic pH issues

I hear a lot of people asking or talking about the pH of their organic soil mix or organic nute solution and how they might correct or adjust it. pH in organics is not an issue like it is in synthetic growing.
The best place to settle the pH issues in organics is within the grow medium. A medium rich in humates (humus) is the place to start. Humates work to "buffer" the pH of organic mediums and the nutes you pour (or mix) into it.
Humates come from compost, worm castings and bottled humus. If you use a peat based medum, use dolomite lime to raise the pH of the acidic peat. Dolomite should be used in any soil or soiless medium to provide magnesium and calcium. But since we are talking about pH here, I'll mention dolomite lime's pH correction benefits.
A medium of coir has a pH near neutral (or 7.0). But humates are still neded to allow uptake of organic nutrients that are outside a near neutral pH range.
With an active medium rich in humates you can pour in nutes like Pure Blend Pro, Earth Juice and guano teas way outside the optimum pH range without worry. The humus will allow the nutes to be taken up through the roots, even at such an extreme pH reading.
So throw those pH meters away folks and enjoy the ease and safety of organic gardening.

Chlorine tap water

Just a word of caution for you organic heads out there...
If you are tapped onto a municipal water supply that uses chlorine to kill bacteria in the water, it'll do the same thing to the bacteria (microherd) in your organic food source.
Always bubble your municipal water in an open container (5 gallon bucket) for 24 hours before adding ANYTHING organic to it.

Flushing

There is absolutely no reason to "flush" organic nute solutions from your soil mix. In an organic grow, the plants don't take up the organic nutes (guano, bone, blood or kelp). The bacteria eat the organic nutes and excrete food that the plant can feed off of. So the organic nutes don't need to be flushed because they never enter the plant. And besides, meals like kelp, bone and blood along with worm castings and dolomite can't be flushed from your soil mix anyway. If you use guano and seaweed, try using plain water or worm casting tea for your last watering or two so the plant can use up what's left in the soil. But drowning your soil with water isn't necessary.

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Re: Organics for Beginners [Re: BlargIAmDead]
    #125069 - 09/23/08 03:19 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

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BlargIAmDead said:
Stole this from ICmag. Should I reference the user who posted it?




If it was his original material, then I think it would be due. :wink:


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Re: Organics for Beginners [Re: Sirius]
    #125092 - 09/23/08 06:18 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

thanks!


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Re: Organics for Beginners [Re: impgl]
    #125116 - 09/23/08 08:37 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

I think the quote here key to everyone growing organically, however I have a correction to make to it.
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Chlorine tap water

Just a word of caution for you organic heads out there...
If you are tapped onto a municipal water supply that uses chlorine to kill bacteria in the water, it'll do the same thing to the bacteria (microherd) in your organic food source.
Always bubble your municipal water in an open container (5 gallon bucket) for 24 hours before adding ANYTHING organic to it.





DO NOT use tap water at all, bubbling your water doesn't solve the problem, there will still be Chlorine and chloramine present in the water. Use some other source of water, reverse osmosis ideally, but rain water is also a good choice. Organics is all about the microherd so there is no point in committing a microbe genocide twice a week when watering.


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Re: Organics for Beginners [Re: DungenessDank]
    #125154 - 09/23/08 10:20 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

Yet a couple dozen organic growers who can't ALL be using RO or rainwater haven't piped up saying this is bunk advice? I think it'll be okay O.o


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Re: Organics for Beginners [Re: BlargIAmDead]
    #125212 - 09/24/08 05:09 AM (12 years, 1 month ago)

Most people who use tap-water let the water sit out for a good couple days before they use it to allow the chloramine to evaporate from the water. Either way, it would always be more preferable when growing organic to use water that isn't tap, because they specifically put stuff in there to kill off a big part of what makes organics a good thing.


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Re: Organics for Beginners [Re: Sirius]
    #161197 - 12/12/08 03:58 PM (11 years, 10 months ago)

Chloramine does not readily evaporate, even after a week of sitting. 

I used to think that bubbling/letting sit for 24 - 48 hours was sufficient, until I decided to use only distilled water on my new mini project.  Needless to say, I bought an RO filter yesterday.  The difference is that obvious when using bennies.


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Re: Organics for Beginners [Re: RapidRoots]
    #162838 - 12/14/08 08:53 PM (11 years, 10 months ago)

No joke?  So distilled or RO only for organic?  That dicks me being in an apartment... i aint got the money for distilled and such...


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Re: Organics for Beginners [Re: Kine]
    #163527 - 12/16/08 03:21 AM (11 years, 10 months ago)

isnt distilled water fairly cheap? like 1$ for 10gals?


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Re: Organics for Beginners [Re: captain.koons]
    #163620 - 12/16/08 10:41 AM (11 years, 10 months ago)

Nothing is cheap bro...

Living on your own, colllege student, more then one single plant that would need watering... It adds up!


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Re: Organics for Beginners [Re: Kine]
    #163876 - 12/16/08 03:54 PM (11 years, 10 months ago)

a big plant needs like 1quart of water a day, if you can't afford it you can't afford it I guess.


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Re: Organics for Beginners [Re: captain.koons]
    #163887 - 12/16/08 04:01 PM (11 years, 10 months ago)

exactly, singular large plant.  But then you start getting up to like 10 large plants, and ass soon as we have the number of plants, we have the housing for up to 42 plants, but we'll max it at 24 probably... it adds up quick.


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Re: Organics for Beginners [Re: Kine]
    #193432 - 02/08/09 10:35 PM (11 years, 8 months ago)

You can buy an RO unit for drinking water from your tap for 150$ and up.  If you have one big plant.  Go stand outside a convenience store and bum a dollar a week for distilled water.  If your growing more then you should be able to afford it. 

Indoor anything costs money.  <shrugs>


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Re: Organics for Beginners [Re: JSweed]
    #196738 - 02/16/09 10:41 PM (11 years, 8 months ago)

So what if you live in the country like I do, we have wells. I use well water. That should be ok right?


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Re: Organics for Beginners [Re: Psilomind2]
    #196752 - 02/16/09 10:57 PM (11 years, 8 months ago)

Depends on how good the well is... test the water


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Re: Organics for Beginners [Re: Kine]
    #197280 - 02/18/09 06:05 PM (11 years, 8 months ago)

Do some reading on water purity and water filtration.  I am actually not a big fan of RO after some heavy reading a week ago.  Well water could have some real issues.  you will have to read up on it.


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Re: Organics for Beginners [Re: JSweed]
    #209089 - 03/26/09 11:31 AM (11 years, 6 months ago)

not sure if it was mentioned or not, but UV is what gets rid of chlorine in water.  if your sitting a bucket in a dark closet, you better wait more than 2 days.... 24 hours in direct sun will do the job.  we HAD to do this in the zoo, or the chlorines in the water would wreck havoc on many of the sensitive animals like amphibians.


i like some of those recipes, im going to try a couple of those tea methods out for parts of the garden :smile:


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Re: Organics for Beginners [Re: Chapter 4]
    #211840 - 04/03/09 01:42 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

Not all tap water contains chloramine(I know mine doesn't), check with your local water company to find out.


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Re: Organics for Beginners [Re: Andre Nickatina]
    #219307 - 04/24/09 12:43 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

Psilomind2, well water could be just fine.  There's definitely a lot of things that can be wrong with it, though.  If you live by a factory farm the nitrates from animal wastes can contaminate the water or if you're by a big conventional crop farm there can be fertilizers and pesticides that leech down into the groundwater.  What other uses do you have for the well?  Personally, if I had a well I would be very interested to know what the water is like and would start looking up how to get my water tested asap.


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Re: Organics for Beginners [Re: BlargIAmDead]
    #263991 - 08/12/09 06:39 PM (11 years, 2 months ago)

thanks blarg, and burn1. i'm gonna start my first grow and going all organic, so this is perfect


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Re: Organics for Beginners [Re: BlargIAmDead]
    #265868 - 08/15/09 11:52 PM (11 years, 2 months ago)

I currently have alot of fish tanks and many of which are planted tanks.

I used to use "Prime" water conditioner to get rid of the chlorine but once I purchased a R/O D/E filter I noticed extreme changes that contributed in way better plants.

I'm not really sure but I think it's because the most peoples tap water is around 7-8 pH, but once through a good 6 stage filter it contains 0ppm and has a stable pH of around 6-6.5. I believe its the pH that causes the better growth in the plants.

I don't know how well this will translate in the ganja world but it might be something to think about.


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Re: Organics for Beginners [Re: DoPeYsMuRf]
    #297202 - 10/14/09 06:34 PM (11 years, 14 days ago)

What about ZooMed Water Conditioner?

Ingredients: Water, Dechloraminating Agent, Synthetic Organic Polymers (Colloids), Chelating Agent, Electrolytes.

2 drops to 8 oz of water.  Used to condition Hermit Crab water and other pet water etc.


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Re: Organics for Beginners [Re: Azyle00]
    #297215 - 10/14/09 06:43 PM (11 years, 14 days ago)

Dechloraminating agent..... that basically means sodium

Sodium and Chlorine bond creating table salt, not good for treating water for plant use.

Bubble the chlorine out or use an RO filter.


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Re: Organics for Beginners [Re: captain.koons]
    #308112 - 11/02/09 02:03 AM (10 years, 11 months ago)

if thats how it works the salt created would be nothing compared to TDS already in the water including many and mostly salts. i mean they use ALUM in water treatment. UV does not get rid of chlorine it just evaporates out thats why you leave it in the warm sun :smile:


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    #310696 - 11/05/09 09:48 PM (10 years, 11 months ago)

I like you organic guys. Your silly. :omgawesome:


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Re: Organics for Beginners [Re: Magash]
    #310719 - 11/05/09 10:03 PM (10 years, 11 months ago)

Damn you Magash! Let us keep our illusions!

Seriously though, for new growers, organics are a great way to start learning while having a nice buffer.

Also, for experienced growers, systems like the Rev's TLO grows are a new challenge, and give some phenomenal results in terms of quality AND yield.
I'd challenge any noob with a hydro system to beat my yields in a TLO grow.


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Re: Organics for Beginners [Re: 81renaissance]
    #310856 - 11/06/09 12:30 AM (10 years, 11 months ago)

Hey I'm with ya like we said in some other post. I think organics are the way to go for noobs. Now as far as yields organics can be right there with hydro. A plant grown at it's max potential is gonna be killer no mater how it was grown.


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Re: Organics for Beginners [Re: Magash]
    #310916 - 11/06/09 03:58 AM (10 years, 11 months ago)

Oh by the way:

Quote:

Magash said:
I like you organic guys. Your silly. :omgawesome:



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Re: Organics for Beginners [Re: BlargIAmDead]
    #332106 - 12/16/09 01:23 AM (10 years, 10 months ago)

i just feel it out i guess have been lucky as far as PH and stuff, or hardy plants. maybe never get what i could potentially i guess aswell. i do it as an art or just feel it out really cant go wrong. anyway

very ruffly and depends on how the soil looks to begin with. peat content etc. for many years of tomatoes anyway
organic or not soil maybe 50-60%
peat moss                  20%
manure compost & other composts 20%
few handfulls each of perlite, verm ,blood meal, bone meal, little less epsom salts. seems the bonemeal is enough to buffer the acidic peat and manure compost.

anyway for used soil maybe mix 50% to new stuff. again depends about how the old stuff looks.

water fert mix every 7-10 waters with bit of molasses, couple teaspoon epsom salt, maybe bit of bloodmeal. in between the fert water a couple times with a hydrogen pyroxide and water teaspoon per couple litres. Can get away with just plain water the whole time, all nutes are built in as long as your pots are of good size. Ive never really seen much of a difference in tomatoes, but i just feel that adding more minerals especially, give that extra nutrient kick for ME! or things you just dont get from ponics.

like i said just depends on how it looks, for me. but never grown anything overly sensitive. squeeze when wet and still gets airy easy. rich dark color with large organics aka peat and stuff from compost.enough perlite to give drainage and O2.

i am sure similar mixes have been documented in better detail. maybe this just says you dont have to be so uptight about growing stuff.


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Re: Organics for Beginners [Re: BlargIAmDead]
    #471980 - 09/04/10 04:57 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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Chlorine tap water

Just a word of caution for you organic heads out there...
If you are tapped onto a municipal water supply that uses chlorine to kill bacteria in the water, it'll do the same thing to the bacteria (microherd) in your organic food source.
Always bubble your municipal water in an open container (5 gallon bucket) for 24 hours before adding ANYTHING organic to it.









Can i boil water from the tap and will that get rid of chlorine?


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Re: Organics for Beginners [Re: CFLbc]
    #473011 - 09/06/10 11:11 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

get an air stone and bubble the water for 24 hours to remove the Cl, the major issue these days is added Chloramine, which is not removed by boiling or bubbling, you actually need a filter (R/O preferably) to remove that shit.


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Re: Organics for Beginners [Re: 81renaissance]
    #473157 - 09/06/10 04:34 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Little fact. Take a glass of tap water and test it for Chlorine then stick your finger in it for about 5 seconds and test it again. Now the test will show no chlorine.

Now myself I find organics a huge waste of time. I've never met anybody that can tell the difference between organic and chem weed. I decided that after years of growing organically to do some tests and here is a copy of the post I did on it.


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Ok, I have been growing since the mid 80’s and the entire time I’ve heard how organic bud is better tasting and such. I always felt that this was true just cause when you listen to why it is suppose to be better then buds grown with synthetics or chemical nutrients it seems to make sense. Then I saw this show called bullshit with Penn and Teller and the subject was organic food. I saw the test that they did and I just had to do em with buds.
Well the test was done at 3 different clubs and with a group of growers in Mendocino County. The strain used was Granddaddy Purple.
People were allowed to try free samples of organic grown and buds grown with General Hydroponics nutrients. Flora Nova and Kool Blooms.
Now the samples
2 plates of buds with labels showing but the buds switched. Organic buds in the hydro plate and hydro buds in the organic plate. 2 plates with no labels and the buds were in the right plate. Then for fun (he he he ) two sets of plates one with organic buds in both plates and one with hydro buds in both plates.

The results.
Buds in the right plate but no labels showing  73% of people picked the hydro buds as better tasting and smoking buds.

Buds in the plates with the labels showing but with the buds switched 87% picked the organic side with the hydro buds in the plate. (Even so far as going and saying they can taste the soil then getting very pissed when shown the bud they picked)

Then the same buds divided into two and put into labeled plates. So what I mean here is buds from the same plant put into two plates with different labels to see if anybody would notice. In both sets of plates 87% of people again picked the Organic as better tasting in both sets even though it was the same bud divided into two plates. I heard comments on how the organic tasted “earthy, cleaner, less salty, and one who insisted that the organic buds burnt better then got pissed when told he picked hydro in every instance.

The only people who picked right were people who didn't care if grown organic or grown with raid ant killer as long as they got a free sample.


Both sets of buds were flushed for one week before harvesting.

Conclusion is that properly grown hydro buds seems to be as good in every way as organic buds.





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Re: Organics for Beginners [Re: Magash]
    #478741 - 09/17/10 07:54 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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Magash said:
Little fact. Take a glass of tap water and test it for Chlorine then stick your finger in it for about 5 seconds and test it again. Now the test will show no chlorine.

Now myself I find organics a huge waste of time. I've never met anybody that can tell the difference between organic and chem weed. I decided that after years of growing organically to do some tests and here is a copy of the post I did on it.


Quote:

Ok, I have been growing since the mid 80’s and the entire time I’ve heard how organic bud is better tasting and such. I always felt that this was true just cause when you listen to why it is suppose to be better then buds grown with synthetics or chemical nutrients it seems to make sense. Then I saw this show called bullshit with Penn and Teller and the subject was organic food. I saw the test that they did and I just had to do em with buds.
Well the test was done at 3 different clubs and with a group of growers in Mendocino County. The strain used was Granddaddy Purple.
People were allowed to try free samples of organic grown and buds grown with General Hydroponics nutrients. Flora Nova and Kool Blooms.
Now the samples
2 plates of buds with labels showing but the buds switched. Organic buds in the hydro plate and hydro buds in the organic plate. 2 plates with no labels and the buds were in the right plate. Then for fun (he he he ) two sets of plates one with organic buds in both plates and one with hydro buds in both plates.

The results.
Buds in the right plate but no labels showing  73% of people picked the hydro buds as better tasting and smoking buds.

Buds in the plates with the labels showing but with the buds switched 87% picked the organic side with the hydro buds in the plate. (Even so far as going and saying they can taste the soil then getting very pissed when shown the bud they picked)

Then the same buds divided into two and put into labeled plates. So what I mean here is buds from the same plant put into two plates with different labels to see if anybody would notice. In both sets of plates 87% of people again picked the Organic as better tasting in both sets even though it was the same bud divided into two plates. I heard comments on how the organic tasted “earthy, cleaner, less salty, and one who insisted that the organic buds burnt better then got pissed when told he picked hydro in every instance.

The only people who picked right were people who didn't care if grown organic or grown with raid ant killer as long as they got a free sample.


Both sets of buds were flushed for one week before harvesting.

Conclusion is that properly grown hydro buds seems to be as good in every way as organic buds.








Sounds completely besides the point of organic growing.


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    #479029 - 09/18/10 12:06 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

depends on your reasons for going organic


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    #534514 - 03/08/11 04:22 AM (9 years, 7 months ago)

I'm not trying to make a debate between soil and soiless; but I'm not seeing the fundamental difference. Just because you put coco, peat, verm and compost in a pot doesn't mean that isn't soil. Composts themselves are soil, at least the nutrient layer that is decomposed into soil.

Soil itself is a highly complex range of everything from fungi, worms, actual dirt, bacteria, decomposing plant materials, etc. etc. etc. etc.

Soiless is a silly term.


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Re: Organics for Beginners [Re: wishcouldeletethis]
    #534648 - 03/08/11 01:35 PM (9 years, 7 months ago)

Peat has nutrients, it's decayed plant matter. It also rapidly decays throughout the growth of the plant. If you've ever grown in peat you probably notice 1/3 less peat in your pots by the end of your grow and it's also far more dense.

Coco coir has nutrients also but the coco breaks down over the course of years so it's not very available to plants.

On the subject of de-chlorination chlorine can/should be neutralized quickly by the addition of some soil or molasses to your water if you don't want to wait to bubble the chlorine out.


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    #688648 - 10/10/13 06:49 PM (7 years, 17 days ago)

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    #691198 - 10/30/13 09:27 PM (6 years, 11 months ago)

Now spam?

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    #731315 - 05/13/14 09:59 AM (6 years, 5 months ago)

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Magash said:
Little fact. Take a glass of tap water and test it for Chlorine then stick your finger in it for about 5 seconds and test it again. Now the test will show no chlorine.

Now myself I find organics a huge waste of time. I've never met anybody that can tell the difference between organic and chem weed. I decided that after years of growing organically to do some tests and here is a copy of the post I did on it.


Quote:

Ok, I have been growing since the mid 80’s and the entire time I’ve heard how organic bud is better tasting and such. I always felt that this was true just cause when you listen to why it is suppose to be better then buds grown with synthetics or chemical nutrients it seems to make sense. Then I saw this show called bullshit with Penn and Teller and the subject was organic food. I saw the test that they did and I just had to do em with buds.
Well the test was done at 3 different clubs and with a group of growers in Mendocino County. The strain used was Granddaddy Purple.
People were allowed to try free samples of organic grown and buds grown with General Hydroponics nutrients. Flora Nova and Kool Blooms.
Now the samples
2 plates of buds with labels showing but the buds switched. Organic buds in the hydro plate and hydro buds in the organic plate. 2 plates with no labels and the buds were in the right plate. Then for fun (he he he ) two sets of plates one with organic buds in both plates and one with hydro buds in both plates.

The results.
Buds in the right plate but no labels showing  73% of people picked the hydro buds as better tasting and smoking buds.

Buds in the plates with the labels showing but with the buds switched 87% picked the organic side with the hydro buds in the plate. (Even so far as going and saying they can taste the soil then getting very pissed when shown the bud they picked)

Then the same buds divided into two and put into labeled plates. So what I mean here is buds from the same plant put into two plates with different labels to see if anybody would notice. In both sets of plates 87% of people again picked the Organic as better tasting in both sets even though it was the same bud divided into two plates. I heard comments on how the organic tasted “earthy, cleaner, less salty, and one who insisted that the organic buds burnt better then got pissed when told he picked hydro in every instance.

The only people who picked right were people who didn't care if grown organic or grown with raid ant killer as long as they got a free sample.


Both sets of buds were flushed for one week before harvesting.

Conclusion is that properly grown hydro buds seems to be as good in every way as organic buds.








That is based on a "taste" study. Monsanto food is going to taste relatively similar to organic food, but organic food in the end is going to be healthier for you. I figure the same would apply to cannabis growing and consuming.


So everyone is speaking of distilled and RO water, (I might use distilled water, but not RO water) what is your take on natural spring water?


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    #731343 - 05/13/14 12:48 PM (6 years, 5 months ago)

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Quote:

Magash said:
Little fact. Take a glass of tap water and test it for Chlorine then stick your finger in it for about 5 seconds and test it again. Now the test will show no chlorine.

Now myself I find organics a huge waste of time. I've never met anybody that can tell the difference between organic and chem weed. I decided that after years of growing organically to do some tests and here is a copy of the post I did on it.


Quote:

Ok, I have been growing since the mid 80’s and the entire time I’ve heard how organic bud is better tasting and such. I always felt that this was true just cause when you listen to why it is suppose to be better then buds grown with synthetics or chemical nutrients it seems to make sense. Then I saw this show called bullshit with Penn and Teller and the subject was organic food. I saw the test that they did and I just had to do em with buds.
Well the test was done at 3 different clubs and with a group of growers in Mendocino County. The strain used was Granddaddy Purple.
People were allowed to try free samples of organic grown and buds grown with General Hydroponics nutrients. Flora Nova and Kool Blooms.
Now the samples
2 plates of buds with labels showing but the buds switched. Organic buds in the hydro plate and hydro buds in the organic plate. 2 plates with no labels and the buds were in the right plate. Then for fun (he he he ) two sets of plates one with organic buds in both plates and one with hydro buds in both plates.

The results.
Buds in the right plate but no labels showing  73% of people picked the hydro buds as better tasting and smoking buds.

Buds in the plates with the labels showing but with the buds switched 87% picked the organic side with the hydro buds in the plate. (Even so far as going and saying they can taste the soil then getting very pissed when shown the bud they picked)

Then the same buds divided into two and put into labeled plates. So what I mean here is buds from the same plant put into two plates with different labels to see if anybody would notice. In both sets of plates 87% of people again picked the Organic as better tasting in both sets even though it was the same bud divided into two plates. I heard comments on how the organic tasted “earthy, cleaner, less salty, and one who insisted that the organic buds burnt better then got pissed when told he picked hydro in every instance.

The only people who picked right were people who didn't care if grown organic or grown with raid ant killer as long as they got a free sample.


Both sets of buds were flushed for one week before harvesting.

Conclusion is that properly grown hydro buds seems to be as good in every way as organic buds.








That is based on a "taste" study. Monsanto food is going to taste relatively similar to organic food, but organic food in the end is going to be healthier for you. I figure the same would apply to cannabis growing and consuming.


So everyone is speaking of distilled and RO water, (I might use distilled water, but not RO water) what is your take on natural spring water?





Do you have any stats to back up what you are claiming?  The most recent studies I have come across have shown no clear distinction in nutritional value between organic and non organic foods. 

Now is it better for the environment to move away from pesticides and petroleum based fertilizer?  Of course.  But to say one is better for you is a wildly inaccurate statement with no basis in science.  It's an opinion.


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    #731361 - 05/13/14 02:31 PM (6 years, 5 months ago)

It's a very broad subject matter, I'm new to researching its background myself, also because I'm young and want to live a healthy life. So I don't have direct links to backup what I say, but if you do I would love to have a look.

I'm with you on that. Organo phosphates are not good for combating pesticides. It is also the same pesticide, along with agent orange that is being sprayed through chem trails all around America. I also don't like monoculture breeding of plants, which are major corporations reasoning for using these pesticides, and I think it's a huge dilemma that needs to be changed in society.

The majority of organic food should hold higher nutritional value over their nonorganic counterpart. It's not to say nonorganic isn't nutritionally bad for you, they are just going to carry traces of those chemicals along with them. We have an increasingly alarming rate of medical problems to this very reason, and it's hard to scientifically prove because of how delayed these problems can occur.

If this is offtopic, etc, I apologize. Please don't flame
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    #731362 - 05/13/14 02:34 PM (6 years, 5 months ago)

I wasn't flaming you at all man.  Just stating some facts.


Here's a good link on the subject of nutritional content.

http://med.stanford.edu/ism/2012/september/organic.html


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    #731614 - 05/15/14 08:09 AM (6 years, 5 months ago)

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The majority of organic food should hold higher nutritional value over their nonorganic counterpart. It's not to say nonorganic isn't nutritionally bad for you, they are just going to carry traces of those chemicals along with them. We have an increasingly alarming rate of medical problems to this very reason, and it's hard to scientifically prove because of how delayed these problems can occur.

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That is WAY off. Just because its not labeled organic doesnt mean its chemical. I have some acreage my family farms and all our neighbors farm too. Myself and many others grow organically but arent going to pay for the organic certification so its just regular produce. Its fully organic even though the label doesnt say...and thats how it should be.

so to say its got bad chemicals just cuz theres no organic label is wrong. Also, if growing in hydro using synthetic nutes but properly flushed, there should be no residuals.

it sounds like you are overusing and overbroadening the word chemical when you should be saying "pesticides and herbicide products desinged to kill"


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    #744097 - 08/16/14 12:37 AM (6 years, 2 months ago)

LC’s Soiless Mix #1:
5 parts Canadian Spaghnam Peat or Coir or Pro-Moss
3 parts perlite
2 parts wormcastings or mushroom compost or home made compost

if i just made this for a indoor soil would it work good just mix it up and put in my pots. not sure what you mean by parts or how to measure that but i guess it just depends on how many gallon your pots holds?


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    #808673 - 03/24/16 12:53 PM (4 years, 6 months ago)

i've read that in fruits and vegetables, organics are not found to be any more nutritious, in terms of vitamin content n whatnot than "conventionally-grown" produce.. organic food was, however, shown to be less likely to contain pesticide residues. not rly applicable to most cannabis grows i would think. the real value in growing organically, for me, is that it's a lot more fun. and im sure quite a bit cheaper. i use backyard compost(oak leaves, pine needles, veg scraps, grass clippings some months, spent mushroom substrates). backyard soil(containing many  acorns which shoot up mid-grow--hate it but i love it), dolomite, n perlite n during grow at dift times i sometimes throw in a lil diluted coffee, molasses, etc. i add lactic acid bacteria from water kefir or whey. compost tea. all dat good good. costs me nothing. and seeing your soil creeping and crawling n ur plants happy is good stuff too.

tl;dr

maybe not better tasting or healthier, but cheaper and more fun


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