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Re: fungicide for organic soil [Re: Maestro]
    #670010 - 05/10/13 04:03 PM (5 years, 3 months ago)

Phosphoric acid is a chemical


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Re: fungicide for organic soil [Re: SmokeSomeHash]
    #670013 - 05/10/13 04:23 PM (5 years, 3 months ago)

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Phosphoric acid is a chemical






But that doesn't mean it's a bad thing.  Also, I'm pretty sure it's naturally occurring.


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Re: fungicide for organic soil [Re: Maestro]
    #670014 - 05/10/13 04:27 PM (5 years, 3 months ago)

Sorry i shouldve quoted what i was replyin to, just hard to click links sometimes when i post from my phone.

I didnt say it was a bad thing, i just used some today...i was replying to this...

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Ok ok... So since when is ph down a "chemical". It's just ionized liquid (hydrogen). Once you mix it into your solution, it is no longer ionized!! Just hydrogen...




I dont know what hes talkin bout there but im interested to find out.


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Re: fungicide for organic soil [Re: SmokeSomeHash]
    #670015 - 05/10/13 04:28 PM (5 years, 3 months ago)

Oh I know that, it was meant for the other people thinking it was a bad thing :cookiemonster:


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Re: fungicide for organic soil [Re: Hawksresurrection]
    #670016 - 05/10/13 04:33 PM (5 years, 3 months ago)

What do you mean by chemical?

Because "In chemistry, a chemical substance is a form of matter that has constant chemical composition and characteristic " - Wikipedia


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Re: fungicide for organic soil [Re: Maestro]
    #670017 - 05/10/13 04:37 PM (5 years, 3 months ago)

Sorry, not in a possision to type a lot, but this is what I Basically mean:http://users.rcn.com/jkimball.ma.ultranet/BiologyPages/P/pH.html

"pH is a measure of the concentration of hydrogens ions (= H+) (= protons) in a solution.

Numerically it is the negative logarithm of that concentration expressed in moles per liter (M).

Pure water spontaneously dissociates into ions, forming a 10-7 M solution of H+ (and OH-). The negative of this logarithm is 7, so the pH of pure water is 7."

So once ph up or down is mixed into your solution (making it 7ish), its not charged anymore.


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Re: fungicide for organic soil [Re: Maestro]
    #670018 - 05/10/13 04:38 PM (5 years, 3 months ago)

"the term 'chemical substance' means any organic or inorganic substance of a particular molecular identity, including – (i) any combination of such substances occurring in whole or in part as a result of a chemical reaction or occurring in nature

Read further :cookiemonster:


The base term chemical, without more knowledge, is confusing for people without a background in it.  People assume "chemicals" are bad.  And that's not necessarily true.


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Re: fungicide for organic soil [Re: SmokeSomeHash]
    #670021 - 05/10/13 04:43 PM (5 years, 3 months ago)

Well that's my point exactly. I was answering this
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Sorry i shouldve quoted what i was replyin to, just hard to click links sometimes when i post from my phone.

I didnt say it was a bad thing, i just used some today...i was replying to this...

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Ok ok... So since when is ph down a "chemical". It's just ionized liquid (hydrogen). Once you mix it into your solution, it is no longer ionized!! Just hydrogen...




I dont know what hes talkin bout there but im interested to find out.




It's why I put the word chemical in quotations in my original comment


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Re: fungicide for organic soil [Re: Maestro]
    #670022 - 05/10/13 04:47 PM (5 years, 3 months ago)

Ah....


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Re: fungicide for organic soil [Re: Hawksresurrection]
    #670024 - 05/10/13 04:48 PM (5 years, 3 months ago)

I just thought saying ph down is just ionized hydrogen was way too of a generalization, especially for those without a chemistry background. It makes it seem like  one simple chemical solution when there are many different types of acids, although yes all acids react similarly regarding H+ and what not. And yes they are chemicals.

But i wasnt talking about what happens after you put it in another solution. I was just talking about the liquid in the bottle. Not trying to give a chem lesson, just said phos acid is a chemical.


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Re: fungicide for organic soil [Re: SmokeSomeHash]
    #670028 - 05/10/13 04:55 PM (5 years, 3 months ago)

:rolleyes: yeah I thought we were talking about "chemicals" ( the common misconception) not chemicals(everything-.-).

The charged ions(acidity) are the only potentially dangerous part of ph buffers. So if they're gone Before its added to soil, I don't see how that's using "chemicals".


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Re: fungicide for organic soil [Re: Maestro]
    #670034 - 05/10/13 07:13 PM (5 years, 3 months ago)

Honestly...i dont follow you.

The whole quotation thing isnt workin for me. Theyre chemicals...but theyre not "chemicals"?

I gotta smoke...


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Re: fungicide for organic soil [Re: SmokeSomeHash]
    #670043 - 05/10/13 08:53 PM (5 years, 3 months ago)

You said sulfuric acid is a chemical in reply to me saying its a "chemical". If I meant chemical as in it's definition then why put the quotes?

Anyway, I did that because someone was saying they would add sulfuric acid as ph down but they don't want to use any chemicals, so I assumed they didn't mean it literally( especially since the water they would add it too is a chemical, literally )

Idk how else to explain it


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Re: fungicide for organic soil [Re: Maestro]
    #670060 - 05/10/13 11:50 PM (5 years, 3 months ago)

It sounds like theyre just concerned about synthetic nutes...i dunno...

Youre a chemical


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Re: fungicide for organic soil [Re: SmokeSomeHash]
    #670066 - 05/11/13 12:42 AM (5 years, 3 months ago)

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Re: fungicide for organic soil [Re: Maestro]
    #670072 - 05/11/13 03:06 AM (5 years, 3 months ago)

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If lemon juice is so bad for growing why does Grodan put it right on their package to use lemon juice to condition their rockwool if you dont have pH down.




Cause conditioning of rockwool happens one time.

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Re: fungicide for organic soil [Re: Magash]
    #670104 - 05/11/13 11:05 AM (5 years, 3 months ago)

That still doesnt explain how it would cause mold like that...what happened to the OP anyways?

Has the mold gotten better or worse? I still wanna find out what caused that to begin with.


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Re: fungicide for organic soil [Re: SmokeSomeHash]
    #670105 - 05/11/13 12:14 PM (5 years, 3 months ago)

You gotta be kidding right? There are other things other then the citic acid that is lowering the ph. They build up in the soil and start to mold. If ya wanna keep using it keep using it. I consider the fact that the only person using it is the only one having a problem with soil mass molding.


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Re: fungicide for organic soil [Re: Magash]
    #670151 - 05/11/13 07:58 PM (5 years, 3 months ago)

Im not saying it isnt the juice ive just been wondering cuz ive thrown whole lemons in the soil and never had a mold problem.

And thats cuz i got 15 acres of citrus....meyer lemon, tangerine, grapefruit, key lime...so lets just say its more than just a couple rotten fruits that have been used...i dont use the juice to balance ph but oh theres a lot of veggies ive grown and theres juice all over the place.

Shit our city compost facility sprays down tons of compost with tanker trucks full of spoiled citrus juice.

The only thing i can think of is cuz its in containers and didnt properly compost? Ive never had a mold problem like the OPs pics... but maybe ive just been lucky all these years.


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Re: fungicide for organic soil [Re: SmokeSomeHash]
    #670158 - 05/11/13 08:13 PM (5 years, 3 months ago)

Your soil may dry out faster and allow you to use it but it's not working for him. As far as yourself if it works don't change a thing. I'm all for the don't fix it if it ain't broke theory. I've got 40 acres in Mendo and 40 acres on the big island of Hawaii but no citrus growing but have been wanting to for a long time.

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