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Arjan's Haze #3, White Satin, and Critically Smashed
    #81795 - 07/13/08 12:01 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)



Welcome to Sirius and Pipesmoker's Elf first grow log, in which we'll be following the growth of Sagarmatha's Matanuska Tundra, Greenhouse Seeds' Arjan's Haze #3, Mandala's White Satin, and Critically Smashed, a freebie strain from Dr. Chronic. Nothing but pleased with both Dr. Chronic and Seedbay as far as shipping is concerned, Dr. Chronic very stealthy. Its the first indoor grow for both of us, and its a relief to be making this after months of dreaming and reading multiple cultivation forums with an obsession. A little about the strains for those not familiar, Matanuska Tundra is an indica that is said to develop very dense buds, have a great creeper high, and the possibility of a phenotype that smells and tastes like chocolate. Arjan's Haze #3 is a Haze with something from Laos that produces a plant with sativa characteristics in a shorter, more bushy package. White Satin is said to be a hybrid with a soaring, uplifting high. Critically Smashed is a cross between Critical Mass and White Rhino. We also have a single, two to three year old seed of a mystery strain. We also received Sam the Skunkman's Original Thai Haze x Skunk #1 as freebies from Seedbay, but will hold off until next time to germinate these.


Germination occurred on the 10th, in the evening. Seventeen rock-wool cubes were soaked in water that was adjusted to a pH of 5.8. Two of the feminized Arjan's Haze #3 were planted, and five each of the Matanuska, White Satin, and Critically Smashed. The mystery strain was placed in a moist, folded up cotton disc, since it is so old and closer observation will be necessary in case it will need help in sprouting.








Temperature for the first couple days was around 27°C/82°F, with a relative humidity around 50%. We applied more water, about a couple mL for each cube, in the area around the seed when it seemed necessary. I became concerned with having the humidity that high and have since kept the doors to the cabinet open, which brought it down to around 20-30%. In the evening on the 12th, we finally managed to nigger-rig our fluorescent fixtures in the cabinet (although without the reflector), which was just in time, because when checking the cubes the next morning, we noticed that one of the Arjan's Haze had pulled itself and the seed hull up in the air. :smile: Meanwhile, the mystery seed has cracked itself open and is starting to emerge. We've been lifting the fluffy bits of rock-wool covering the other seeds and most of them have cracked and some have nearly popped out of the rock-wool.








Now that the fluorescents are running, the temperature has risen to around 29°C/85°F and the humidity has dropped to 10% or lower. The rock-wool cubes we used are around 7cm, so we're preferring to keep the air dryer and water the area around the seeds more often, to limit the possibility of mold or fungus on the rest of the cubes. The fluorescent fixture consists of four, 60cm, 18w grow-lux bulbs, with 6400 lumens all in all.








Our main growing room has not been set up yet, but we will begin doing so in a couple days, the process of which being documented here as well. We have a floorspace of 1.7m x .85m (roughly 5ftx3ft) and a height of 2.9m/9ft, which should help with growing sativa dominant strains as well as helping keep heat away from the plants. We'll be running a 600 watt HPS lamp inside of an air-cooled cool-tube. The floorspace is a little less than optimal for the 600 watt, but the adjustment to a longer room was made to better fit our plans for the different strains we're running, and the trade-off from a more optimal light to space ratio should be worth it. The amount of light the HPS produced while testing was definitely stunning, and the ballast runs nice and quietly.








We have an in-line extractor fan for the ventilation, as well as a smaller vent fan that will help bring air into the room. The incoming air will be filtered in an effort to avoid a spider mite infestation. The extractor fan was not noisy at all, when I had figured it would have been. We have a basic carbon filter (crazy how heavy the damn thing is), and the room will be sheeted with panda film. 





The plants will be grown in coco. We have 4 liter/1 gallon pots to transplant into once the larger rock-wool cubes have become filled with roots, and a final destination of 16 liter/4 gallon pots. Considering our room's setup, we've planned on having about eight to ten female plants that will be flowered. The plants will be allowed to pretty much grow naturally with little training, unless necessary. We have Atami Coco A and B for nutrients, as well as their PK 13/14 and Atazyme. We also have an individual bottle of calcium and one of magnesium just in case a deficiency of either might arise (hopefully the amount of trace elements in the coco-specific nutes will cover it).







So, in the next couple days, we should see most (hopefully all) of these seeds sprout and start their life cycle. Sitting next to the cabinet, gazing in at the sprouted Arjan's Haze #3 while stoned, feeling the fluorescents and imagining how cool it will be to sit there like that and see them transform (and, of course, document it all here for everyone :grin:) is a great experience. :mushroom2:

This will be updated when necessary, and all additions will be edited into this post (Edit: Ran out of room to edit into this post, so newer updates continue on page four), to help keep everything organized and efficiently accessible to those who haven't followed along since the beginning. All thoughts and constructive criticism welcome!
Thanks for stopping by! :pimp3:




*Update* :pimp3:

Still the same day in which the log was created, about seven hours later. We took a couple quick pictures to show that we hung some mylar up in the cabinet that we picked up from a flower lady. I wouldn't recommend getting mylar from them because they seem stubbornly adamant about selling you flowers as well. :cuckoo:








After putting the mylar in, the temperature shot up to around 31°C/88°F. We brought in the oscillating fan and its back down to 28°C/82°F. The first Arjan's Haze, AH #1, has risen more, the seed hull has fallen off and the cotyledons have opened. AH #2 has sprouted from the rock-wool as well now, and this one isn't carrying the seed shell like the first. After peeking at the other rock-wool cubes, it seems apparent that, when we wake up in the morning, we should have a few more sprouted, from every strain. Every seed has been categorized with a simple system, just the strain initials and a number, to help keep better track of different phenotypes for potential breeding purposes.




*Update 7/14* :pimp3:

This morning more seeds had sprouted as expected, and through the course of the day more have shown up as well. :smile: Arjan's Haze is definitely leading the way, followed by three White Satin, three Critically Smashed, and one Matanuska Tundra. CS #1 required a little bit of surgical assistance though, as the taproot had grown out the side of one of the ridges in the rock-wool. Apparently the plant was having trouble lifting itself up? Anyways, its straightened out now and hopefully it'll have better luck. After checking underneath fluffy bits of rock-wool, it is definite that every seed has started germinating and it is a matter of a day or two before everything will have sprouted. The three year old mystery seed had cracked open enough to be planted in a rock-wool cube as well, so hopefully it will sprout too.

The rock-wool cubes we have came with a big round hole in the middle of them, possibly because we bought bigger cubes than we should have, which is why they are turned upside down. When we soaked the rock-wool cube for the mystery seed, I tore up pieces of an unused cube to fill the holes underneath to avoid any problems the hole might provide. We also have propped the cubes up closer to the fluorescents. The way in which we had to nigger-rig the lamp fixtures is preventing us from simply moving the lights closer, but hopefully tomorrow we'll have what we need to change that, as well as being able to get the reflector on there as it should be. Other than that, it should be pretty quiet for the next couple of days, just time to wait for all of the seeds to finish germinating and then to begin putting together the grow room.

Here's a shot of the first true leaves on AH3 #1.





A closeup of the first Matanuska Tundra (MT #2) to emerge to the surface.





And, finally, three lower-quality pictures of all of the cubes, six cubes in each picture.













Update 7/18 :pimp3:





Well, its been a few days now, so its time for an update. Once this baby hits page two, the updates will be posted in a new reply as well as added to the main page, so regular followers won't have to wait for all of the pictures on the first page to load to get the update, and people who stumble across it later will still have the efficient convenience of it in a concentrated dose.

First things first, the day after the last update, the fluorescents were properly installed with their reflector, and jerry-rigged in such a way that they can be easily adjusted. This has certainly directed more light where it needs to be. Temperature increased slightly with this, but the oscillating fan was adjusted to keep the temperature steady, still hovering at 30°C/86°F, with the humidity staying around 20%.

The two Arjan's Haze #3 were the first to sprout, and #1 in particular is the most developed seedling of the bunch. The first is a little more stretched than the second, as it spent more time after sprouting with the seed hull on. A similar thing happened with White Satin #4; the seed hull was on longer and it is slightly more stretched than the rest.

Here's a couple shots of AH3 #1:








AH3 #2 has a little bit of discoloration on its cotyledons. This has been observed on the cotyledons of some of the other plants, but absolutely nothing of the sort on any of the true leaves. Two thoughts that come to mind is that it has been a week since most have sprouted, and perhaps it is a sign that the nutrients are beginning to become exhausted from the cotyledons and it will be time to begin feeding soon, or possibly that there has been some burning from the lights, although this wouldn't make much sense, as the true leaves are closer and there is no sign. If anyone knows more about this, input would be appreciated.








Onto the White Satin. All five have sprouted and are quite vigorous, and growth has been pretty uniform and consistent amongst all five seedlings. 











The Critically Smashed, overall, seem very healthy and are pretty much sharing the same consistency in growth as the White Satin. Only four of the Critically Smashed can really be considered to have sprouted, however, as we have had problems with one of them, CS #5. It was found with the taproot out and the cotyledons having begun emerging from the seed hull, but unfortunately a spot a little below them on the stem looked quite pinched together. We're not sure how this could have happened, as we've been very careful handling them. Possibly it was having trouble pop up and that point was especially weak? Anyways, it was propped up and supported and half the seed hull gently removed, but so far no real sign of improvement. Nonetheless, the other four are doing just great. :smile:








Today Pipesmoker Elf made a great discovery! :muahaha: Looking underneath the rock-wool cubes, she noticed that most of the seedlings have adventurous taproots that have exposed themselves. So, here is a couple examples, our first root porn, jail-bait style. :naughty:








Well, that's all of the great news. Now, unfortunately, its time to cover some of the more unfortunate news. :smirk:

Matanuska Tundra has been performing dismally so far. Only one of them have sprouted and seems pretty weak, one of them kind of has sprouted but has a lot of problems, and the other three have cracked with a taproot that has emerged and, from there, seems to have just stopped growing. We've heard a couple reports before of bad germination rates with the Matanuska, and with our environment seemingly right and the other strains performing quite beautifully, it definitely seems to be problems with the genetics. First, a picture of the one that managed to sprout on its own, MT #2:





It sprouted a couple days after most of the seedlings did, but when it did, the true leaves were already developed, which wasn't the case with the other seedlings. However, it has been growing slowly, and now there is a problem with its cotyledons. At one point, all the seeds that hadn't yet sprouted, this one, and the Critically Smashed with the aforementioned problems were elevated with something underneath to get them closer to the light in an attempt to help them out. They didn't get checked after that for a longer period than usual, and these rock-wool cubes dried out a lot more, so with the decreased distance between the cotyledons and the bulbs, we're thinking they just got burned on the edges, but perhaps it is something else?

The other one that has shown at least more "progress" than the rest is MT #5. We found it with the tap root out from the seed hull, the cotyledons almost completely out of the seed hull, but for some inexplicable reason (it definitely wasn't from handling), the tap root had actually become separated from the rest of the seedling, just a little ways underneath the cotyledons. A close look at both ends and there didn't seem to be any kind of fungus or rot or anything like that. It just looked completely normal, beyond the fact that it was in two.
:confused:

The seed hull was removed gently and the cotyledons placed above the surface with as much of an effort as possible to keep the rest of the stem/root secure in the hopes that it will start growing down. When we checked today, it definitely appeared to have grown further into the rock-wool, but then later, it looked like the cotyledons tried to raise themselves up and open a bit, and this caused it to become "unrooted", since it just wasn't anchored well enough to be capable of moving like that.

Here's a picture of the cotyledons above the surface, the color seems to look worse in the picture than it actually does, for the most part its green. Not a lot of hope for it, but it'll get every chance it can get until its finished. :shrug:





If the rest don't sprout, we'll just attempt to germinate the last five seeds. We've contacted Sagarmatha to see if we can find out if the strain has special needs that aren't being met, or really just some kind of explanation on the matter...

All in all though, we're more than satisfied with how everything is going, which definitely seems to be quite well! :super: The taproot on the mystery strain has been growing more in the rock-wool and the seed hull slowly becomes more cracked, so in the next day or two I'd expect to see the cotyledons emerge. Beyond that, we're taking care of some work in the grow room to get it ready to be set up, tomorrow the panda film will go up, and everything else after that. Transplanting the healthy seedlings into coco shouldn't be more than a few days away, especially considering how vigorous these roots are. :grin:

Any input or guidance on everything would be greatly appreciated! Thanks for reading! :bigweed:




Update 7/24 :pimp3:


Last night all the potential ladies were transplanted! The roots on all of them were covering the bottom of the rock-wool cubes, begging to be immersed in coco. Eleven 3.4 liter pots were filled with coco a couple of days before and were flushed with tap-water in the bath-tub for quite some time. Two Arjan's Haze #3, five White Satin, and four Critically Smashed made the move. The two Matanuska Tundra that made it aren't ready to be transplanted yet. One of the Critically Smashed that was having serious problems was removed, and the other three Matanuska Tundras were disposed of after we found them full of white squishiness. The mystery strain has sprouted successfully, but the cotyledons aren't looking very healthy.

After firing up and calibrating the pH meter, we ran an initial run-off test, with the tap water at 7.3, and all the pots had a run-off pH in a range between 6.6 to 6.4. After some experiments to figure out the best way to approach adjusting the pH of the coco down, we got it down to two rounds of flushes, in the end bringing the run-off of the pots to the range of 5.6 to 5.4. After that, the plants were happily transplanted into the pots, and each plant received its first dosage of nutrients, a quarter dosage of Atami Coco A & B.

Most of the plants have been showing signs of needing a good dosage of nutrients. We've been concerned that its either been a nutrient deficiency, likely magnesium, or perhaps signs of heat stress. Underneath the fluorescents, temperatures had remained pretty constant at 30°C/86°F. Up until coming to their second week without showing any signs with the temperature remaining the same, though, it seems more likely that they just started getting hungry. Tomorrow I'll be taking more detailed pictures of some of these signs to throw up in Doctor's Diagnosis and at another site to get some other opinions. Nonetheless, we've been working to bring the temperatures down, and right now its been hovering around 26°C/79°F, which is working closer towards optimal anyways.

After transplanting them, the plants went back underneath the fluorescents. Fortunately the pots manage to all fit underneath the fixture pretty well, because we went to some great efforts to get their 600 watt HPS lamp going, to no avail. After hanging panda film in their intended area, the cool-tube couldn't be installed, due to the fact that the ceiling and walls are essentially solid rock. No access to the proper tools to work with the stuff. We then tried installing it in a wooden cabinet that was about 2m tall x 1m x .5 m, with the extractor fan pulling eight times the volume of air in the space every minute through the cool-tube, but temperatures on the floor wouldn't drop below 33°C/91°F. We then went back to the room where we installed the smaller grow area, rigged up a way to hang the cool-tube (it wasn't easy, talk about improvising :lol:), and ran it with all different ways of bringing in and extracting air, but couldn't get the temperature below 32°C/90°F. The main problem was that the ambient temperature was already in the eighties, so no real margin to work with. The plants will love the spectrum of the fluorescents more anyways until we can hopefully take care of the ambient there before they can't stay underneath the fluorescents any longer.

So, let's close this up with a few pictures. :grin: Here's the four Critically Smashed, enjoying their new home:





Four of the five White Satin:





The two Arjan's Haze #3 on the left, and the other White Satin on the right:





AH3 #1, working on its third set of true leaves:





The two Matanuska Tundra:





And here's two pictures of one of the Critically Smashed, one closer up, of what appears to be a micro-nutrient deficiency. Much better pictures will be taken later, to clearly see what is happening with these ladies...








Hopefully the first dosage of nutrients will help them out, otherwise it'll be time to take another look at the pH of the coco and possibly bump it up to a half dosage of the recommended dosage. Thanks for reading!




Update 7/27 :pimp3:





Tonight the plants were watered. The water was adjusted to 5.8, and they were given a half-strength dosage, up from a quarter last time. The plants had a few days for their roots to grow out from the rock-wool cube and into the coco, and the ladies themselves have shown signs of growth meanwhile. The problems with deficiency haven't really gotten worse, and they were probably stemming from problems with the rock-wool cubes. Next time we germinate, we'll be planting the seeds straight into the coco. It should be a better environment for germination, as well as making it easier to manage pH and watering. A lot of the ladies have begun showing their fourth set of leaves, and tiny stipules are showing on the two Arjan's Haze #3.  Adding the half dosage of nutrients, with some magnesium and calcium (also coming with other trace elements), now that the roots should be exploring the coco, should definitely knock it up a notch. :grin:

All of the plants together have been giving off a subtle but pleasantly noticeable smell of pot plants, very refreshing! :bigweed:

Here's the two Arjan's Haze #3:





The four Critically Smashed:






And the five of Mandala's White Satin:






No pictures of the Matanuska Tundra right now, but the one is coming along all right, and the other smaller one is, well, really really small. Still alive and growing, though. :shrug: Sometime soon, when the fluorescents are free from these ladies, most likely, we'll attempt to germinate the last five of the Matanuska. I have a feeling we'll have better success keeping them in coco, as opposed to the rock-wool cubes. I think the rock-wool cubes this last time through were carrying too much moisture inside of them, and although this didn't affect the other strains, since they grew very fast, the Matanuska Tundra seeds just take more time to germinate, and the same amount of water in the rock-wool affected them more adversely. Anyways, they could just be bad seeds, and the coco will tell us that for sure. :wink:

Thanks for checking! :super:




Update 8/01 :pimp3:

Time for a quick update. It has been a few days and the plants were ready for some water and some feed. Temperature has remained pretty steady, around 26-27°C/78-80°F, with an exception for a few hours where the temperature climbed up to 32°C/90°F. The next day we noticed the leaves felt a little dry and what could best be described as little wrinkles in the middle of some of the top leaves. I'm assuming this would be a sign of resulting heat stress? There have been little areas on some of the leaves across the board with some discolorations and little variations in shapes of the leaves, but it is pretty insignificant and is probably due to issues with the rock-wool cubes inside the coco. This should become less and less of a problem as the roots colonize the coco and the plant finds more consistent pH and moisture levels. Definitely won't be using rock-wool again when all you need is coco. :wink:

The plants show noticeable signs of growth even throughout one day, with little leaves developing in the notches between the stems of the leaves and the main stem. They are definitely developing a beautiful, more distinct aroma, some plants more than others. We're thinking they will remain underneath the fluorescents for another week before they are introduced to the HPS.

The one Matanuska Tundra that is alive is showing some signs of the bumpy road it has been on. The other tiny little runt didn't make it, but it wasn't really growing anyways. Since the Matanuska Tundra was kind of on its own and separate from the more consuming, routine maintenance that the other eleven take, it has been neglected a little more and treated a little more rough. One day it had drooped over from becoming too dry, but sprang right back up after being watered. When it showed signs of needing nutrients some time ago and I was feeling a little too lazy to start adjusting and measuring out stuff for it, it was just given a full dosage of nutrients from a bottle intended for something else. Today it finally showed some signs that it might have been a little too much for it, so it was flushed. Its showing signs since of growth. If it makes it, it makes it, if it doesn't, it doesn't, but its kind of a lab rat for us, being subjected to harsher extremes to see how it responds so we can learn from it. :lol: Sagarmatha Seeds responded to our questions about the low germination rates we had compared to the other healthy strains, and they have graciously offered to replace them directly. :super:

On to the pictures! First, a couple that were taken two days ago, the first of Arjan's Haze 3, phenotype #2, and the second of White Satin, phenotype #3:








The full image of the eleven ladies before they were watered tonight:





The two Arjan's Haze #3:





The four Critically Smashed:






The five White Satin:









We were just marveling at the difference after just three full days in the size of the plants after posting this update. :eek:

If you notice carefully, the rows are in a different order, but it is the same plants in each row. After each watering, we move each row forward underneath the fluorescents to make sure they all get equal light over time, since, obviously, the spot in the middle receives the most light. :wink:





The next two and a half months should be fun! :muahaha:

Thanks for following! :bigweed:




Update 8/04 :pimp3:


Not too much new, but its been three days and the plants have been watered and fed again, so its time for some pictures. We bumped the concentration of the coco nutes up a notch and added some of the Ca and Mg as well. We're experimenting with doing some nutrient profiling of what we are working with, so later we'll have some data on that and a way of getting a better idea of how much nutrients to give them. Right now it seems like they aren't getting enough, but we're continuing to increase the dosages incrementally and let the plants tell us what they need.





The two Arjan's Haze #3:





The four Critically Smashed:






The five White Satin:







Going to start work on getting the HPS running finally, so hopefully the temperatures will be manageable and we'll be able to start introducing these babies to some HID light. :sun:




Update 8/07 :pimp3:


Well, a few things have been happening, and the plants were fed and watered a little while ago, so its time for an update. :grin:

A few of the top leaves had a little bit of some burnt tips after the last feeding. After taking a closer look at the formulas used, it seems that it was a Calcium deficiency, resulting from there being an imbalance in the Calcium-Magnesium ratio. There was a little bit less Ca than Mg, when its typically best to aim towards twice as much Ca as Mg. I've read that, generally, about 60ppm of Mg is optimum, and we had it at about that level, but the problem is that the bottle of Ca has some nitrogen in it as well, and it makes it more difficult to keep proper proportions between everything. An idea is to use some of the P/K booster, with less of Coco A&B, to leave more room for the N to be cranked up with the Ca. I'm tired of seeing small signs of Mg deficiency, damn it!

In the meantime, though, we just gave them 1mL/L of Coco A and B, as well as 1mL/L of Atazyme. Somehow, we completely forgot that we had it. :lol: The label says its  natural, multi-enzyme stuff that should help increase nutrient absorption, enhance root activity and plant growth, stimulate micro-organism activity, and reduce chances of over-fertilizing. Hopefully it will work fine.





The 600 watt HPS is up and running, in a temporary setup, that is allowing the ambient temperatures to be controlled, so the temperatures underneath it are manageable. The cool-tube is about 16 inches above the tops of the plants, with an oscillating fan blowing across the area in between, and the temperature is staying around 29-30°C/84-86°F. Not perfect, but perfectly acceptable, and it is pretty much the temperature they have been at underneath the fluorescents. They are being slowly introduced to the HPS, increasing it a couple hours a day, to get them used to the intensity, and also to give them the continued advantage of the fluorescents' light spectrum. Here's a picture of them, underneath the HPS, after they were watered today:





Here's the signature group shot and individual shots of the plants. A few more days and I don't think it will be possible to keep going with this formula, considering how much they are growing. I'll post the three other group shots first, three days between each one, to give a perspective on how quickly they've been growing:








The two Arjan's Haze #3:





The four Critically Smashed:






And the five White Satin:







Thanks for checking in; great to see you back, Annom! :super:



Update 8/10 :pimp3:


Thought it might be nice to make another update, this one a little more picture-orientated, as opposed to boring old typing. :wink:

We watered the plants today, after only two days, instead of three. Despite what Inverted says about them looking textbook healthy :grin:, there are slight problems with some of the leaves, but I think it could be chalked up to "still dialing in the nutes". Watering/feeding more frequently is an initial step to see if it helps the matter. I really think the problem is with Mg/Ca though, and next time I'll be prepared to do a more radical approach to the nutrients to try to cure it. :evil:

The plants are still growing vigorously, without stretching. Running them underneath the fluorescents for this long, I think, is really making all the difference, but its definitely time to start weaning them off, and these huge fan leaves that are developing are just begging for the HPS light, and the leaves growing in the internodes for its intensity, so they are spending more and more time with it. Hopefully, in about a week, it'll be time for a transplant (the roots are starting to show up in the drainage holes and can be seen while peaking between the side of the pots and the coco) and some 12/12. We're dying to see some buds forming! :stoned:

First, here's the group shot from when they were watered:





Thought we'd try something a little different this time, and take side shots of all of the plants, back underneath the fluorescents (with them turned off, of course, to get good quality pictures :wink:):

The two Arjan's Haze #3:






The four Critically Smashed:








The five White Satin:









Here's another shot of White Satin #3, to show how fucking huge its fan leaves are getting:





And another shot of White Satin #2, to show some of the leaves that have six leaflets:





Here's an interesting shot of Critically Smashed #1. One of the main leaves developed with its left half mostly yellow. Now, one of the smaller leaves that has developed from the internodes has the same exact thing going on, except it is on the right half. The only explanation that I can think of for this is genetic mutation. :shrug:





And, the last shot, a close-up of Critically Smashed #4, the first and only plant thus far to develop alternate nodes. This became apparent almost a week ago. Very curious why the anomaly....





Thanks for checking in, kudos to those who've given some sign of life. :muahaha:




Update 8/13 :pimp3:


Gotta keep moving with the documentation. Not too much new, but a lot of pictures. The plants were watered twice in the last two days; the first time, they were flushed before being fed. What looks like nutrient burn began to appear a couple of days ago, bringing us to try some new things with feeding. After doing some analysis, it seems most likely that it was due to having too much Calcium. The Arjan's Haze #3 are looking the most worse for wear. This is thought because the leaves started going lime green at the edges, with the burnt spots (too much calcium locks up magnesium), and also due to the discovery that the label of our Bionova Calcium had a typo (1% CaO on the label, whereas it was intended to be 15%), meaning we were giving it far too much calcium, trying to keep it at the right ratio with the Magnesium. The first watering, we applied an accurate dosage of it with the dosage of magnesium. Today they were given a regular dosage of A&B (up to 1.5mL/L) and a dosage of Magnesium, absent the dosage of calcium, after the magnesium lock-out didn't improve from the day before. The thought is that the tap-water probably has a lot of calcium. I think we're starting to get everything dialed-in as far as this goes; can't wait for the RO to not have to guess about the tap-water.

Still alternating between the HPS and the fluorescents, for them to keep benefiting from the blue spectrum, as well as the light intensity that they need from the HPS. Hopefully in about a week, preflowers will start to appear. Most of the plants are working on their seventh set of nodes right now. In about a week, we'll be able to take our first shot at cloning, as well, as the side-branches are really growing. :smile:

Here's the group shot from the last watering:





AH3 #1






AH3 #2






CS #1






CS #2






CS #3






CS #4






WS #1






WS #2






WS #3






WS #4






WS #5






Thanks for checkin'! :super:




Update Day 6 Flowering :pimp3:


Its been awhile, so I guess we should update this thing. The plants have been on 12/12 for six days now and are really working on their stretch (all of them are over a foot and a half right now). The plants have been suffering through some problems with the older growth getting burnt on the edges. There was an initial onset around the time they received an overdose of calcium due to the mislabeled bottle, and we've been working to figure it out and try out different things to stop it. It hasn't stopped yet, but it doesn't spread nearly as fast as it first did. It seems to be a compound problem, likely due to magnesium deficiency, too much salt buildup in the coco, something with the roots, who knows, because they don't seem to be responding too well to anything we try to that end. Starting to work with foliar spraying just this morning, and tonight the coco is going to be flushed like crazy again... Anyways, beyond the edges of some of the older fan leaves getting some burning, the plants seem to be pretty healthy, and all of the new growth on the side branches shows absolutely no problems. :shrug:

Preflowers had started developing before the light switch, and as of right now, seven are confirmed female, three are unconfirmed, and one of the Critically Smashed was a male, that is no longer of this world. We took some clones from it a couple days ago, before it got chopped up, as we've never cloned and are seeking to build some experience with the essential technique. We tried three without a dome over them and three inside plastic domes, to see if it would be necessary to work with humidity domes, as some people have success without them. The three without wilted overnight, and the other three seem to be doing just fine. Tonight we'll be taking some more clones from some of the confirmed females.

That's pretty much all there is to it. Really looking forward to bud production; hopefully we can solve the problems with the old growth. Here's some pictures of all the plants. Thanks for checking in! :super:


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Re: Matanuska Tundra, Arjan's Haze #3, White Satin, and Critically Smashed [Re: Sirius]
    #81818 - 07/13/08 01:08 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

it looks like your going to be having some dank ass personal nugs:thumbup:


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Re: Matanuska Tundra, Arjan's Haze #3, White Satin, and Critically Smashed [Re: BuTtOnMuNcHer]
    #81822 - 07/13/08 01:18 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Nice setup ! I think I'll follow your journal.


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Re: Matanuska Tundra, Arjan's Haze #3, White Satin, and Critically Smashed [Re: m.faust]
    #81855 - 07/13/08 02:05 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Great documentation thus far.  I look forward to seeing this progress.  Good luck mate!


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Re: Matanuska Tundra, Arjan's Haze #3, White Satin, and Critically Smashed [Re: Sirius]
    #82107 - 07/13/08 04:50 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

:laugh: Looking great!

Good luck! :thumbup:


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    #82147 - 07/13/08 05:10 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

awesome man!  It's good to see you guys getting started!  That HPS is like a mini sun, surprised the shit out of me when i ran mine for the first time.  I knew it was going to be bright, but not that bright :wink:

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Re: Matanuska Tundra, Arjan's Haze #3, White Satin, and Critically Smashed [Re: coda]
    #82233 - 07/13/08 06:56 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Made a small update!

Thanks for replying guys. :super: We've really been waiting to get this going. After reading so many grow logs, it feels great to have started our own. 
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    #82962 - 07/14/08 11:04 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

tagged!

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Re: Matanuska Tundra, Arjan's Haze #3, White Satin, and Critically Smashed [Re: Yrat]
    #82977 - 07/14/08 11:27 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Totally :awesome:. I was planning on trying my hand at the Arjan Haze #3 on my next grow. I'll defiantly be keeping my eye on this one to see how it progresses.


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Re: Matanuska Tundra, Arjan's Haze #3, White Satin, and Critically Smashed [Re: Uns4ne]
    #83054 - 07/14/08 03:14 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

this looks great! I can't wait to see these badasses come to fruition.


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Re: Matanuska Tundra, Arjan's Haze #3, White Satin, and Critically Smashed [Re: Harry_Ba11sach]
    #83225 - 07/14/08 07:41 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Updated for today. :pimp3:

Uns4ne, we'll definitely give you everything you'll want to know about the man's Haze #3. :grin: Everyone else, thanks for checking in! :super:

It is definitely great to know now that every seed has split without problems. It is especially a relief with the Matanuska Tundra, as I have read a couple reports of bad germination rates with them, and they were definitely the most expensive seeds in the group. More than that, we are really just intrigued by the strain and want to see what happens, especially since there aren't so many reports on it out there. :wink:

Hopefully tomorrow we'll be able to start building the grow room. Can't wait to fire up the HPS. :muahaha:


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Re: Matanuska Tundra, Arjan's Haze #3, White Satin, and Critically Smashed [Re: Sirius]
    #87187 - 07/18/08 08:04 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Updated. Everything is going great, beyond the trouble we're having with the Matanuska. A couple of different things that someone with a more experienced set of eyes might feel like helping us with?


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Re: Matanuska Tundra, Arjan's Haze #3, White Satin, and Critically Smashed [Re: Sirius]
    #87709 - 07/19/08 12:58 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

i'm likin' what i'm seein' my friend, everything looks good. I'm excited as well to see your Arjan's Haze develop, mine have grew some more foliage but update on my journal is soon. keep up the good work :gethigh:


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Re: Matanuska Tundra, Arjan's Haze #3, White Satin, and Critically Smashed [Re: Herbalonics]
    #87731 - 07/19/08 01:36 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Hey, thanks for swinging in. :smile: Yours look about a week ahead of ours, I think.

Not enough substance for an update yet, but I thought I'd mention that, when we looked at the seedlings today, we noticed that the three-year old mystery seed made a lot of progress. The cotyledons are almost out of the seed hull and it technically could be considered to be sprouted, although we have a little bit of rock-wool over it yet to help with moisture until it finally decides to reach on up. Really excited to see how this turns out! :thumbup:

Other than that, panda film is in the process of being installed and some of the Matanuskas are showing signs of a little bit of progress, just have to be patient I guess...


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Re: Matanuska Tundra, Arjan's Haze #3, White Satin, and Critically Smashed [Re: Sirius]
    #88518 - 07/19/08 08:55 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Il be watching. This looks like itl be quality. Cant wait to see that AH#3.


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Re: Matanuska Tundra, Arjan's Haze #3, White Satin, and Critically Smashed [Re: Sublimistri]
    #92596 - 07/24/08 08:56 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Update 7/24 :pimp3:


Last night all the potential ladies were transplanted! The roots on all of them were covering the bottom of the rock-wool cubes, begging to be immersed in coco. Eleven 3.4 liter pots were filled with coco a couple of days before and were flushed with tap-water in the bath-tub for quite some time. Two Arjan's Haze #3, five White Satin, and four Critically Smashed made the move. The two Matanuska Tundra that made it aren't ready to be transplanted yet. One of the Critically Smashed that was having serious problems was removed, and the other three Matanuska Tundras were disposed of after we found them full of white squishiness. The mystery strain has sprouted successfully, but the cotyledons aren't looking very healthy.

After firing up and calibrating the pH meter, we ran an initial run-off test, with the tap water at 7.3, and all the pots had a run-off pH in a range between 6.6 to 6.4. After some experiments to figure out the best way to approach adjusting the pH of the coco down, we got it down to two rounds of flushes, in the end bringing the run-off of the pots to the range of 5.6 to 5.4. After that, the plants were happily transplanted into the pots, and each plant received its first dosage of nutrients, a quarter dosage of Atami Coco A & B.

Most of the plants have been showing signs of needing a good dosage of nutrients. We've been concerned that its either been a nutrient deficiency, likely magnesium, or perhaps signs of heat stress. Underneath the fluorescents, temperatures had remained pretty constant at 30°C/86°F. Up until coming to their second week without showing any signs with the temperature remaining the same, though, it seems more likely that they just started getting hungry. Tomorrow I'll be taking more detailed pictures of some of these signs to throw up in Doctor's Diagnosis and at another site to get some other opinions. Nonetheless, we've been working to bring the temperatures down, and right now its been hovering around 26°C/79°F, which is working closer towards optimal anyways.

After transplanting them, the plants went back underneath the fluorescents. Fortunately the pots manage to all fit underneath the fixture pretty well, because we went to some great efforts to get their 600 watt HPS lamp going, to no avail. After hanging panda film in their intended area, the cool-tube couldn't be installed, due to the fact that the ceiling and walls are essentially solid rock. No access to the proper tools to work with the stuff. We then tried installing it in a wooden cabinet that was about 2m tall x 1m x .5 m, with the extractor fan pulling eight times the volume of air in the space every minute through the cool-tube, but temperatures on the floor wouldn't drop below 33°C/91°F. We then went back to the room where we installed the smaller grow area, rigged up a way to hang the cool-tube (it wasn't easy, talk about improvising :lol:), and ran it with all different ways of bringing in and extracting air, but couldn't get the temperature below 32°C/90°F. The main problem was that the ambient temperature was already in the eighties, so no real margin to work with. The plants will love the spectrum of the fluorescents more anyways until we can hopefully take care of the ambient there before they can't stay underneath the fluorescents any longer.

So, let's close this up with a few pictures. :grin: Here's the four Critically Smashed, enjoying their new home:





Four of the five White Satin:





The two Arjan's Haze #3 on the left, and the other White Satin on the right:





AH3 #1, working on its third set of true leaves:





The two Matanuska Tundra:





And here's two pictures of one of the Critically Smashed, one closer up, of what appears to be a micro-nutrient deficiency. Much better pictures will be taken later, to clearly see what is happening with these ladies...








Hopefully the first dosage of nutrients will help them out, otherwise it'll be time to take another look at the pH of the coco and possibly bump it up to a half dosage of the recommended dosage. Thanks for reading!


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Re: Matanuska Tundra, Arjan's Haze #3, White Satin, and Critically Smashed [Re: Sirius]
    #92600 - 07/24/08 09:09 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Looking good so far bro! Whats up with your Matanuska? I've smoked that bud once and they were the biggest densest buds I've ever smoked and they were amazingly resinous.  They are getting to that point where they are exponentially growing due to the surface area they can absorb light with. They are going to start taking off nicely very soon, especially with all that new soil to root into!  Nice my man! :awesome:


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Re: Matanuska Tundra, Arjan's Haze #3, White Satin, and Critically Smashed [Re: Inverted]
    #92693 - 07/24/08 10:39 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Hey, sweet avatar man! :mushroom2: :super:

The Matanuska Tundra seeds had the exact conditions for germination, and considering how well everything else turned out, as well as a good handful of reports I've read from others who have ran the strain, the problem lies with the genetics, or really old seed stock. The two that have made it certainly are taking their sweet time, and we'll definitely be giving them anything they ask for. The smaller one didn't even sprout on its own; we found it with the tap root actually separated from the cotyledons, which had emerged most of the way from the seed, leaving just a little tiny bit of what I guess you'd call the stem. It is developing its first set of true leaves now, and, for all we've done for it, it had better fucking be female. :smirk:

We'll attempt to start the last five seeds of the strain when we have space underneath the fluorescents again. I've contacted Sagarmatha a week ago to see if they could help with any information that will help ensure a better germination rate, with no response as of yet. Any tips on that would be appreciated, if anyone knows. Everything we've read about the strain has us very excited to get the desired phenotype, so it would definitely be disappointing to miss out due to the seeds having their problems.

You're definitely right about the exponential growth thing, we've been saying as much amongst ourselves. :grin: Provided we can help them get on the right track with the nutrients, there shouldn't be any stopping them. Hopefully they'll last underneath the fluorescents long enough to buy us time to take care of the temp issue with the HPS. :wink:

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    #93008 - 07/25/08 09:56 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

:awesome:

so will you be growing the females to the finish?  any plans to do some cloning?


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Re: Matanuska Tundra, Arjan's Haze #3, White Satin, and Critically Smashed [Re: Sirius]
    #93045 - 07/25/08 12:57 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

so far so good keep up the good work and i hope them matunaka start doing there thing if not at least you can say you tried.


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