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OfflineHanky
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Re: Coco Growers Thread. [Re: captain.koons]
    #74618 - 07/07/08 09:27 AM (11 years, 1 month ago)

Power consumption means nothing.  People don't get busted for using power to run lights.

You will only get busted if you are stealing power.

Electricity companies are in the business of selling power, they do not report Their middle to high end  customers to the police as potential dope growers.


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Re: Coco Growers Thread. [Re: Hanky]
    #74626 - 07/07/08 09:58 AM (11 years, 1 month ago)

you sure about that?

like say you were running 10 000 watts?


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Re: Coco Growers Thread. [Re: captain.koons]
    #74688 - 07/07/08 12:30 PM (11 years, 1 month ago)

well wtf would you be running 10,000 watts for?  even so, lets do the math so you can see for your self how even running 10k isn't that bad.

10,000 watts * 12 hrs (12/12 cycle) = 120,000 watts per day
120,000 / 1000 = 120 kwh/day
120 kwh * 30 days = 3600 kwh/month
3600 * .13$/kwh = 468$ mo

so, 468$ a month to run 10,000 watts.  Sure, it's expensive, but maybe you like to run a window AC unit in every room, maybe you use 100 watt light bulbs in every room and leave them running 24/7.  The power company won't give a shit because fuck, you're paying them at least 468$ per month (more i knew with other power usage).  So, lets assume an average power bill is between 150-200 dollars.  That means you're paying the company between 600-700 bucks a month.  Yah, it's expensive when you look at it, but i know people who pay around 400 bucks a month for heating. 

Anyways, unless you were planning a commercial grow op, something like this is absurd.  If you were running 10k worth of lighting you're probably growing somewhere other then your home.  And, if you do decide to do that in your own home, you deserve to get busted because that's just idiotic.  I rarely see home growers go over 2k watts with their flowering cabinet, you just don't need that much power.


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Re: Coco Growers Thread. [Re: coda]
    #74689 - 07/07/08 12:33 PM (11 years, 1 month ago)

statistically your 10x more likely to get busted if you don't live where you grow.

or at least the grow op is.


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Re: Coco Growers Thread. [Re: captain.koons]
    #74697 - 07/07/08 12:46 PM (11 years, 1 month ago)

33% of statistics are made up on the spot.

That's bullshit, if you know how to act there's no more chance of getting caught running a growhouse then there is running one in your own home.

rules to live by:

take care of the lawn
Make daily appearances
Leave some house lights on to indicate someone is living there
Furnish the house with more then just a dirty mattress
Don't visit during odd hours of the night
Don't sell or have heavy traffic coming in and out of the house

All you need to do is make sure that you can't detect the grow from outside and keep up appearances.  If you make it look like your living there and keep up with the appearance of the house, you're no more likely to get busted.  If you're not stealing power and your neighbors don't suspect you, i fail to see why it's anymore dangerous then growing in your own house.  Now, it is more dangerous in the fact that if you do get busted, you're going down hard.


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Re: Coco Growers Thread. [Re: coda]
    #74700 - 07/07/08 12:50 PM (11 years, 1 month ago)

Make daily appearances
Leave some house lights on to indicate someone is living there
Furnish the house with more then just a dirty mattress

how is this different from living where you grow?


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Re: Coco Growers Thread. [Re: captain.koons]
    #74715 - 07/07/08 01:16 PM (11 years, 1 month ago)

Because you don't have to live there.  All you need to do is keep up the appearance that you do live there.  So, for instance, lets say you show up to the house at time normal people come home from work.  People would see you come in around that time, enter the house, and assume you just came home from work.  Doesn't mean you have to spend the night there, doesn't even mean you have to spend more time then it takes to care for your plants.


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Re: Coco Growers Thread. [Re: coda]
    #74718 - 07/07/08 01:25 PM (11 years, 1 month ago)

okay lets change that to

"if you grow commercially and have everything automated" vs living in your house.


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Re: Coco Growers Thread. [Re: coda]
    #74736 - 07/07/08 01:52 PM (11 years, 1 month ago)

Quote:

coda said:
well wtf would you be running 10,000 watts for? Anyways, unless you were planning a commercial grow op, something like this is absurd.




Chimera had a 16k flowering room, but I guess that technically qualifies as a commercial op. :hehehe:


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Re: Coco Growers Thread. [Re: Sirius]
    #74877 - 07/07/08 03:51 PM (11 years, 1 month ago)

chimera as in chimera seed co?


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Re: Coco Growers Thread. [Re: captain.koons]
    #74890 - 07/07/08 04:11 PM (11 years, 1 month ago)

yah, chimera is also a breeder so that would explain his setup.


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Re: Coco Growers Thread. [Re: coda]
    #80264 - 07/12/08 11:32 AM (11 years, 1 month ago)

Can you use the same coco bricks sold for reptiles that people use for mushrooms? I have some hydro ferts I want to use up but whenever I use them on my soil grows my plant gets sick because I don't have proper way to buffer the pH or check the pH of the soil. If I get a brick of coir and a pH meter will I be all set to use coir or should I buy coir specific nutes. I've never grown with a nute cycle, just one soil grow under my belt and it was without ferts but I want to try this instead of switching to bubble buckets which was my original plan.


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Re: Coco Growers Thread. [Re: jellyfish]
    #80696 - 07/12/08 05:43 PM (11 years, 1 month ago)

that coir should work fine, i would suggest getting coir specific nutes, but im sure you could get away with using hydro nutes.


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Re: Coco Growers Thread. [Re: coda]
    #80839 - 07/12/08 07:50 PM (11 years, 1 month ago)

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coda said:
that coir should work fine, i would suggest getting coir specific nutes, but im sure you could get away with using hydro nutes.




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Re: Coco Growers Thread. [Re: Dexter_Morgan]
    #80846 - 07/12/08 07:55 PM (11 years, 1 month ago)

uh, what?


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Re: Coco Growers Thread. [Re: jellyfish]
    #81734 - 07/13/08 07:36 AM (11 years, 1 month ago)

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jellyfish said:
Can you use the same coco bricks sold for reptiles that people use for mushrooms?




Make sure you adequately flush the coco before using it. A lot of coco, especially coco not specifically targeted towards indoor growers, might have a high level of salt content that needs to be removed. One good way I've found for flushing the coco is climbing in the bath-tub with a container, in which the brick can soak, that is larger in volume than the wet volume of the brick. Let it soak for awhile, and then work it apart with your hands, then put it in another container with drainage, like the pot it will be put in, for example. Work all the clumps out of the coco and keep it as lightly-compacted in the pot as possible, then just run a hell of a lot of water through it. :grin:

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If I get a brick of coir and a pH meter will I be all set to use coir or should I buy coir specific nutes.




Yep, but make sure the pH meter is of good enough quality, waterproof digital, for example. You'll need calibrating solution to make sure the pH meter is accurate all the time.

If you don't use coir-specific nutrients, just make sure you understand what pH and which nutrient formulas coco needs, and use different hydro nutrients of yours to adjust to fulfill its needs.


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Re: Coco Growers Thread. [Re: Sirius]
    #81762 - 07/13/08 10:34 AM (11 years, 1 month ago)

you could probably make calibrating solutions by mixing exact amounts of water and lye all the time

that would be pretty smart :o i think\


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Re: Coco Growers Thread. [Re: captain.koons]
    #81772 - 07/13/08 11:17 AM (11 years, 1 month ago)

Alright I'll look into coir nutrients, but mine probably don't fit the criteria so I might have to buy coir specific ones. How do you buffer the pH of the coir, with regular pH up and down products? And do you adjust the pH of your feed to 7 or is it less?


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Re: Coco Growers Thread. [Re: jellyfish]
    #81796 - 07/13/08 12:04 PM (11 years, 1 month ago)

Quote:

jellyfish said:
How do you buffer the pH of the coir, with regular pH up and down products? And do you adjust the pH of your feed to 7 or is it less?




Regular bottles of pH+ and pH- should work fine. Usually it is best to adjust down to around 5 or 5.5.


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Re: Coco Growers Thread. [Re: Sirius]
    #81826 - 07/13/08 01:27 PM (11 years, 1 month ago)

I hear 5.2 is pushing it on the low side. 5 should definitely be too low.

5.5-5.8 is what I see a lot. Usually no lower than 5.2 (I'm not speaking from experience)


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