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Help led or hid or both?
    #794162 - 09/22/15 09:51 PM (1 year, 2 months ago)

Hey! First of all thanks for having me i read a ton on here and several other sites but this is the site i chose to be a part of. Anyways lets get started. I have started a small grow bc of some health issues. I have a completely secluded giant room in my own basement that is vlimate controlled. I got some gorilla easy kush idk prolly 20" tall in some ffof in a smart pot. I got the go box nutes from general hydro i have been using in small doses about 1/4 to half strength now. I have a 2x4x4 tent a 4"exhaust fanand a small fan for air movement and help plant and a galaxyhydro 300w led on it. Everything seems to be going ok as far as veg. I have read alot that makes me worry about flowering. Any experienced galaxyhydro 300w led guys jump in. I do have a 1000w adjustable phantam 2 ballast and hortilux bulbs but i havent bought me a hood yet not real sure which one to get or if im even gonna need it. I have been looking at and thinking about the xml350. I have bought everything i need to do a sport cooler dwc project as well and i will eventually be getting a flower tent as well. But right now w 1 plant going i figured 1 tent would be fine. I figured id start my own thread so i could ask questions as needed.
First what do yall think on the lights? Do you think the galaxyhydro 300w led will flower the plant well? If not what hood should i get for my adjustable ballast? And what setting would i run in a tent that small? Right now my plant is very healthy and is smelling up the whole downstairs smells great. Thanks for help.


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Re: Help led or hid or both? [Re: C-Rooster]
    #794429 - 09/24/15 06:09 PM (1 year, 2 months ago)

Try Truth Lightings line of LEDs. They are specifically designed for growing cannabis, the DC Hydro shop love them, it provides the proper spectrums to maximize photosynthesis' chlorophyll a, b & beta-carotene production. Also a 1000w hps bulb is burning 250°c. the M16 LED out performs a 1000w HPS, and burns –20°c to 60°c and is 675W. So keeping that room cooler will be easier. No HID can produce the spectrums LEDs are. My Opinion. the M16 supports a 5x5-6x6 just fine too..  Hope your decision goes all well for you.


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Re: Help led or hid or both? [Re: AGrower]
    #794436 - 09/24/15 07:35 PM (1 year, 2 months ago)

People will argue about this topic forever but, IMO, HPS is still the most financially efficient choice for flowering, unless you've got 1-2.5K to drop on high end LEDs, then you're not all THAT worried about "financially efficient". :rolleyes:

Would definitely get a bigger tent as 2ftx4ft = 8 sq ft --> 50w/sq ft = 400w HID for max. efficiency in your tent per sq ft of space used.
So a tent with around ~20 sq ft is what you're looking for. (Something like 4ftx5ft )
Remember, negative space in the tent eqauls more money, wattage, risk, and time wasted for less bud and trim. Don't be afraid to fill EVERY last sq inch with bud. :wink:
The grows in my sig were done with a 400w HPS so 1000w should have you sittin' pretty between each harvest.

Also, don't waste your nutrients in this early stage. FFOF consistently sustains healthy growth for the first ~30 days of vegetation without supplementing with anything.

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Re: Help led or hid or both? [Re: resincoatedlungs]
    #794463 - 09/24/15 10:35 PM (1 year, 2 months ago)

Yeah im a noob so i just wanted to start small. I picked up a gorilla tent today 4x2x6'11 imma use as flower tent.
I know you are right about neg space but im just getting started and i wanna get it figured out before i screw up a bunch of plants and its just for me personally. Started a auto lemon and lemon seeds 2 days ago. Maybe ill try to do one of those in the sport cooler... but idk
The ballast i have is adjustable i can back it down to 450 i think ill havta dbl check.
What would be a good hood to match up with the ballast?
I started supercropping plant other day about a week after topping plant and i think i hurt my 2 main stalks. So im done with that til i get some grows under my belt.
Im in late 2nd month of veg so i been supplementing in small doses but i may chill on that too until plant starts showing needs. Any advise?


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Re: Help led or hid or both? [Re: C-Rooster]
    #794466 - 09/24/15 11:20 PM (1 year, 2 months ago)

take some snapshots, take clones of each. pre-sex clones. or are you using feminized seeds?


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Re: Help led or hid or both? [Re: AGrower]
    #794540 - 09/25/15 02:42 PM (1 year, 2 months ago)

Yeah i got the stuff to do it. And im studying up on cloning and doing it right but i hate to start cutting my plant up. With my luck ill kill the dam thing... i tried taking some cuttings from the fruit trees in my yard. Fig, pear, and blueberry and all of those died. So until i get something going my way i hate to start chopping away at my plant. I will post some pix asap tho. I got a guy wanting to sell me his galaxy grow 400/600 hid setup for 250 which i think would be smaller and cooler than mine. I havent made a solid decision on which led i want to buy. I do alot of research before i drop 1000.00ish dollars on one.


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Re: Help led or hid or both? [Re: C-Rooster]
    #794542 - 09/25/15 04:14 PM (1 year, 2 months ago)

Yes fem seeds


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Re: Help led or hid or both? [Re: C-Rooster]
    #794655 - 09/26/15 01:17 PM (1 year, 2 months ago)

Is your seedling now looking healthier than from about a month ago?


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Re: Help led or hid or both? [Re: C-Rooster]
    #794656 - 09/26/15 01:21 PM (1 year, 2 months ago)

Quote:

C-Rooster said:
Yeah i got the stuff to do it. And im studying up on cloning and doing it right but i hate to start cutting my plant up. With my luck ill kill the dam thing... i tried taking some cuttings from the fruit trees in my yard. Fig, pear, and blueberry and all of those died. So until i get something going my way i hate to start chopping away at my plant. I will post some pix asap tho. I got a guy wanting to sell me his galaxy grow 400/600 hid setup for 250 which i think would be smaller and cooler than mine. I havent made a solid decision on which led i want to buy. I do alot of research before i drop 1000.00ish dollars on one.




if you have an LED already, and own a 1000w ballast and what not, I would not purchase anything from a friend. Your setup seems fine, if like you thought the ballast can be adjusted to be lower, since your room is not considered size for a 1000wHPS. But use it Veg with your LED and Flower with the HPS. Id get that set up right away. If your going to spend money, you might as well spend it on something you don't have that could upgrade your garden, such as meters, nutrients, hydroponic systems, a hydro-cloner like you need, you know


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Re: Help led or hid or both? [Re: C-Rooster]
    #794657 - 09/26/15 01:22 PM (1 year, 2 months ago)

Quote:

C-Rooster said:
Yes fem seeds




You need clones before you flower, to veg them under your led so they are 45-70 days old before tossed under the 1000w


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Re: Help led or hid or both? [Re: AGrower]
    #794714 - 09/26/15 08:26 PM (1 year, 2 months ago)

I got meters and nutrients and everything for a hydro grow but the air line. I need a clone setup. And my nutes are for soil so imma grab me some andvanced nutrients they may be expensive but i havent seen anyone have anything neg to say about them. My hos setup only goes down to 600w which is still alot for that tent size..


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Re: Help led or hid or both? [Re: C-Rooster]
    #794913 - 09/28/15 01:21 PM (1 year, 2 months ago)

So is my light (phantom 2 adjustable 1000w ballast down to 600w) gonna be way too big for my flower tent (2x4x6'11 gorilla)?


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Re: Help led or hid or both? [Re: C-Rooster]
    #794929 - 09/28/15 02:44 PM (1 year, 2 months ago)

HPS: 250w 2x2 : 400w 3x3 (*or smaller): 600w about 3.5x3.5 : 1000w about 4x4

If you're 2x4, you may as well say it its the same as a 3x3 just with 1sq/ft difference actually. 600 instead of 400. Can you control heat good enough, is leaving the closet open periodically an option, you say it's 6ft tall, there's some play there, consider ScrOG? In a 2x4 I owned, I personally would make 600w work... But  I don't know if you should risk that, though a 2x4 w/ a 3.5x3.5, doesn't seem like much difference 4sq/ft difference. If you can control your environment well enough try it. remember the bulbs burning around 240C that's 464F. May have to edit the ventilation & circulation.


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Re: Help led or hid or both? [Re: C-Rooster]
    #795009 - 09/28/15 09:27 PM (1 year, 2 months ago)

Not in closet in my huge downstairs room. I have a dehumidfier to help control rh%. The tent iss 4x2x6'11 w a 12" extention on top of that. Its a gorilla tent. My veg tent led 300w is running at 75 degrees and 50-55 rh. I should have snatched the 400/600 turbo ballast but didnt kicking myself. Whats a good air hood i could use to pull heat out? I have a 4in fan and can get another or a 6". Im trying to get setup to grow right. Im not young or at home or limited on what im allowed spend but im not super rich but i live in the country on the river w land. I just wanna do it right.


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Re: Help led or hid or both? [Re: C-Rooster]
    #795055 - 09/28/15 11:45 PM (1 year, 2 months ago)

its possible, so set it up brother. Veg w/ LED flower with HPS


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Re: Help led or hid or both? [Re: AGrower]
    #795056 - 09/28/15 11:46 PM (1 year, 2 months ago)

try to set up led veg in 1 room, hps flower in another bigger room


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Re: Help led or hid or both? [Re: AGrower]
    #795100 - 09/29/15 07:04 AM (1 year, 2 months ago)

Thats what im gonna do. Just worried about the heat. All i can do is try it out and see i guess.


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Re: Help led or hid or both? [Re: C-Rooster]
    #795117 - 09/29/15 09:22 AM (1 year, 2 months ago)

Let us know


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Re: Help led or hid or both? [Re: AGrower] * 1
    #796869 - 10/14/15 03:07 PM (1 year, 1 month ago)

Check out the links in my signature if you want to see what ive been doing with LED's.


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Re: Help led or hid or both? [Re: C-Rooster]
    #800510 - 12/05/15 06:09 PM (1 year, 4 days ago)

Hey everyone, been looking very seriously into the LEDs available on the market today.

I've gotten it down between two lights, so I am just going ahead with the purchase of both.

BlackStar Chrome 720 and Truth Lighting M-16

I'll let you know in the spring how they work out.


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