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kief is so hard to handle
    #655906 - 01/22/13 09:50 AM (11 years, 2 months ago)

I feel like I've lost a gram of it in my lifetime. It sticks to everything and is sometimes impossible to retrieve :frown:

what do you guys do with your kief?


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Re: kief is so hard to handle [Re: RasJeph]
    #655908 - 01/22/13 09:55 AM (11 years, 2 months ago)

Snort IT!

:lol:

actually i have seen a guy snort a hollywood of keif... he was in pain afterwards

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Re: kief is so hard to handle [Re: RasJeph]
    #655915 - 01/22/13 10:21 AM (11 years, 2 months ago)

I made a little into hash once, but most of the time I just top bowls with it. I do it constantly. I love kief. Pack a bowl with kief in my percolator bong, heat up the glass wand, and inhale as I hold my glass wand over the bowl!
The result = :awehigh:


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Re: kief is so hard to handle [Re: FRACTALife]
    #655917 - 01/22/13 10:25 AM (11 years, 2 months ago)

I feel you on it being hard to handle though, I mean once you got a system down it's ok, but if you screw up you pretty much will always waste kief.


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Re: kief is so hard to handle [Re: FRACTALife]
    #655930 - 01/22/13 11:29 AM (11 years, 2 months ago)

I turn it into haschisch


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Re: kief is so hard to handle [Re: Manitou]
    #655935 - 01/22/13 12:10 PM (11 years, 2 months ago)

I love kief.



Sometimes when im out of bud I'll scrape my container or mason jar and get a nice bowl.

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Re: kief is so hard to handle [Re: Deadkndys420]
    #655942 - 01/22/13 12:40 PM (11 years, 2 months ago)

About 2-3 times a year, I drop the bottom piece of my grinder and lose ALL the kief.
I just accept it as something that is inevitable.
When I'm smoking it, I just scoop it up with the tip of my pocket knife and tap/wipe it on top of the bowl I loaded.


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BlueBerry_Swisher said:I want French fries. No, I want a penis French. Thank you. I'm so excited. I can not contain myself. Now I eat chocolate. It is so good. I'm trying to rub it all over myself. And then lick. Now I need a hot shower. The end.

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Re: kief is so hard to handle [Re: RasJeph]
    #655954 - 01/22/13 01:44 PM (11 years, 2 months ago)

If it's stuck on something try to wipe it up and get it stuck to your fingertips instead. Then with pressure rub your thumb and forefinger tips together and you'll start getting little brown flecks of hash. Roll them together into a bigger glob which is easier to pick up other flecks/kief with and voila. I sometimes also do this after just breaking up a bowl or two of some good stuff. I can usually get 1-2 knife hit sized balls of hash just from the leftovers stuck on my fingers.


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Re: kief is so hard to handle [Re: 81renaissance]
    #655963 - 01/22/13 03:22 PM (11 years, 2 months ago)

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About 2-3 times a year, I drop the bottom piece of my grinder and lose ALL the kief.
I just accept it as something that is inevitable.
When I'm smoking it, I just scoop it up with the tip of my pocket knife and tap/wipe it on top of the bowl I loaded.




This is why you smoke kief all the time, so you never have too much to loose!
I use a kitchen knife, but the same method.


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Re: kief is so hard to handle [Re: FRACTALife]
    #655987 - 01/22/13 07:21 PM (11 years, 2 months ago)

I rinse my jars with a quick ISO wash sometimes. But I still lose a lot.


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Re: kief is so hard to handle [Re: RasJeph]
    #656018 - 01/23/13 09:51 AM (11 years, 2 months ago)

I just keep mine building up at the bottom of my grinder. probably have about a gram of kief in there at all times.  the only time ive spilled is when i was trying to scoop some out and it toppled all over

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Re: kief is so hard to handle [Re: RasJeph]
    #656021 - 01/23/13 10:39 AM (11 years, 2 months ago)

I've also found kief mixed with DMT in one of those cheap metal screw hash pipes really causes the DMT to vaporize more efficiently than any other method I've tried. I found it out on accident, and the DMT was much more powerful than before, and it was the scariest DMT trip I've had, I swear I exhaled SOOO much DMT/THC vapor.  I love that stuff, you just gotta learn how to use it properly.


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Re: kief is so hard to handle *DELETED* [Re: FRACTALife]
    #656122 - 01/24/13 12:38 AM (11 years, 2 months ago)

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Re: kief is so hard to handle [Re: EyeSawJah]
    #656123 - 01/24/13 12:41 AM (11 years, 2 months ago)

Thisss for real. It changed the dmt so much, I felt like I was thrown into the peak of an LSD trip which would've been neat but since I found out on accident I was not prepared for it. I stumbled upon this in a similar fashion, my buddy didn't realize how much DMT was under the screen in his vapor genie, he unfortunately wasted a lot trying to get that thing to work an sandwiching ended up being the best method but anyway, a few days later I went to vape some trees out of the vapor genie and ended up lacing the weed with DMT. Wasn't getting great hits so I threw the weed and a bowl and stumbled upon quite the surprise. Weird shit but interesting, worked great when I tried it again and was prepared and expecting it

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Re: kief is so hard to handle [Re: EyeSawJah]
    #656128 - 01/24/13 06:53 AM (11 years, 2 months ago)

The only dmt I have left is kinda dirty so I'll wait til next time.


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Re: kief is so hard to handle [Re: RasJeph]
    #656158 - 01/24/13 12:33 PM (11 years, 2 months ago)

Confession: I still have never tried DMT!
I really want to, but it's never around; people usually don't even know what it is.:nonono:


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BlueBerry_Swisher said:I want French fries. No, I want a penis French. Thank you. I'm so excited. I can not contain myself. Now I eat chocolate. It is so good. I'm trying to rub it all over myself. And then lick. Now I need a hot shower. The end.

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Re: kief is so hard to handle [Re: 81renaissance]
    #656167 - 01/24/13 01:22 PM (11 years, 2 months ago)

The 'deep web' has DMT for reasonable prices.

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Re: kief is so hard to handle [Re: Deadkndys420]
    #656187 - 01/24/13 04:34 PM (11 years, 2 months ago)

i take my last few buds in every jar grab them with a roach clip and scrub the inside of the jar with them. its like smoking straight hash and looks gooey and hashy after the jar is wiped up.  :feelspokeman:


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Re: kief is so hard to handle [Re: 81renaissance]
    #656188 - 01/24/13 04:36 PM (11 years, 2 months ago)

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Confession: I still have never tried DMT!
I really want to, but it's never around; people usually don't even know what it is.:nonono:



word to the wise. its not hard to make :wink: or hard to find the tek's, or materials, or spice. plus its not hard to make


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Re: kief is so hard to handle [Re: GreenHorns]
    #656202 - 01/24/13 08:31 PM (11 years, 2 months ago)

Yeah I've seen several, fairly simple extraction teks on places like DMT Nexus; I just never got around to trying one.

Maybe 2013 is the year!


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BlueBerry_Swisher said:I want French fries. No, I want a penis French. Thank you. I'm so excited. I can not contain myself. Now I eat chocolate. It is so good. I'm trying to rub it all over myself. And then lick. Now I need a hot shower. The end.

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Re: kief is so hard to handle [Re: 81renaissance]
    #656204 - 01/24/13 08:43 PM (11 years, 2 months ago)

I think it is guy :smirk:


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Re: kief is so hard to handle [Re: 81renaissance]
    #656235 - 01/25/13 05:35 AM (11 years, 2 months ago)

Or the year to come chill with Ras and do it that way :P


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Re: kief is so hard to handle [Re: 81renaissance]
    #656238 - 01/25/13 07:37 AM (11 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

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Or the year to come chill with Ras and do it that way :P




Can I take you up on this offer?:awehigh:

also check your :pm:s I am gonna send you something


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Confession: I still have never tried DMT!
I really want to, but it's never around; people usually don't even know what it is.:nonono:




DMT is my favorite drug. Once you smoke it changes your world a bit and you become aware of a certain weirdness in the universe. It's a beautiful substance and I hope you get the opportunity to try it. :heart:


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Re: kief is so hard to handle [Re: FRACTALife]
    #656309 - 01/25/13 06:42 PM (11 years, 2 months ago)

I'm gonna try to hit Burning Man this year, so I should be able to dig it up there or maybe Lightning in a Bottle.


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BlueBerry_Swisher said:I want French fries. No, I want a penis French. Thank you. I'm so excited. I can not contain myself. Now I eat chocolate. It is so good. I'm trying to rub it all over myself. And then lick. Now I need a hot shower. The end.

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Re: kief is so hard to handle [Re: RasJeph]
    #656437 - 01/26/13 07:03 PM (11 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

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I feel like I've lost a gram of it in my lifetime. It sticks to everything and is sometimes impossible to retrieve :frown:

what do you guys do with your kief?




I leave it on my nugs.

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Re: kief is so hard to handle [Re: Nothing Is]
    #656774 - 01/29/13 02:43 AM (11 years, 2 months ago)

I agree!  Leave it on the buds, smoke it now, not later!


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Re: kief is so hard to handle [Re: Doctor.THC]
    #657111 - 02/01/13 02:15 PM (11 years, 2 months ago)

Did the dime in a jar tek with a few oz of shake iv got to get the kief off and have been topping bowls with all all week.


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Re: kief is so hard to handle [Re: GreenHorns]
    #657119 - 02/01/13 04:12 PM (11 years, 2 months ago)

As far as the kif goes, I put mine in a film canister and use a chillum with a small bowl. I push the bowl straight into the canister and pack the bowl by scraping the tip of the bowl across the top of the semi packed kief. Dont pack it too tight otherwise u wont be able to draw on it.

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Re: kief is so hard to handle [Re: RasJeph]
    #657121 - 02/01/13 04:38 PM (11 years, 2 months ago)

I either save it up, smoke it, or make it into hash.


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Re: kief is so hard to handle [Re: Connoisseur]
    #657127 - 02/01/13 05:44 PM (11 years, 2 months ago)

Aren't your nugs too weak with all the crystals removed?

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Re: kief is so hard to handle [Re: Nothing Is]
    #657133 - 02/01/13 06:21 PM (11 years, 2 months ago)

Not really


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Re: kief is so hard to handle [Re: Connoisseur]
    #657143 - 02/01/13 07:32 PM (11 years, 2 months ago)

Your bud is weaker without trichomes though

Grinding your bud separating the kief and all that

It's just a waste of time, imo

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Re: kief is so hard to handle [Re: bluntedone]
    #657144 - 02/01/13 07:36 PM (11 years, 2 months ago)

DMT is a substance derived from certain root barks. Google it and check out the wiki.


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Re: kief is so hard to handle [Re: Nothing Is]
    #657148 - 02/01/13 08:02 PM (11 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

Nothing Is said:
Your bud is weaker without trichomes though

Grinding your bud separating the kief and all that

It's just a waste of time, imo




I wouldn't say a waste of time since u get to smoke the kief anyway later on, but it's not something I do all the time in fact it's been about a year n a half since I collected any kief.


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Re: kief is so hard to handle [Re: Nothing Is]
    #657149 - 02/01/13 08:12 PM (11 years, 2 months ago)

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Aren't your nugs too weak with all the crystals removed?



Weed doesn't have crystals. Resin glands, yes. Crystals, no.

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Re: kief is so hard to handle [Re: nannybooboo]
    #657156 - 02/01/13 08:38 PM (11 years, 2 months ago)

Whatever you want to call it. I know what my nugs look like.

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Re: kief is so hard to handle [Re: Nothing Is]
    #657230 - 02/02/13 10:18 AM (11 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

Nothing Is said:
Your bud is weaker without trichomes though

Grinding your bud separating the kief and all that

It's just a waste of time, imo




It's not as if grinding weed removes all the trichomes. :lol:
In fact, if you break your weed with your fingers, you knock off or crush just as many trichomes; the difference is that I get some of the lost trichomes back when they fall through the kief screen.  If you don't have a grinder with a kief screen, I'd venture to say you'd be smoking MORE trichomes than somebody who breaks by hand!
The bud does not get noticeably weaker because you break it does it?
Same thing is true in a grinder.

With regard to putting a coin in the grinder, what actually happens is that you pulverize more plant material, which makes it look like a ton of kief, but all you've done is forced tiny bits of leaf and bud through the screen. 
Real "kief" is essentially dry-screened hash, and consists only of trichomes that fall through the screen in the grinding process or a very limited amount of plant material.


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BlueBerry_Swisher said:I want French fries. No, I want a penis French. Thank you. I'm so excited. I can not contain myself. Now I eat chocolate. It is so good. I'm trying to rub it all over myself. And then lick. Now I need a hot shower. The end.

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Re: kief is so hard to handle [Re: 81renaissance]
    #657232 - 02/02/13 10:35 AM (11 years, 2 months ago)

That's a fair point about the trichomes getting lost when you break up the bud by hand. I hadn't thought of that actually.

It may be aesthetics, I don't know, but ground up weed looks sucky to me. I just love squishing a nice nug into my bowl. I think it might even taste better, too. Wouldn't you rather eat steak than hamburger?

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Re: kief is so hard to handle [Re: Nothing Is]
    #657233 - 02/02/13 10:38 AM (11 years, 2 months ago)

:facepalm:


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Re: kief is so hard to handle [Re: Hawksresurrection]
    #657234 - 02/02/13 10:43 AM (11 years, 2 months ago)

You don't like nugs?

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Re: kief is so hard to handle [Re: Nothing Is]
    #657247 - 02/02/13 12:29 PM (11 years, 2 months ago)

:facepalm:

I thought only 14 year olds who just started smoking weed didn't use grinders.
Whenever I read a post like this on here or meet someone IRL who doesn't own a grinder I always :facepalm:

A good 4 piece grinder will make your bud burn better, it's more economic, and it saves your kief!
If you think not grinding it keeps kief on your bud, that's retarded. Some kief will always fall off in prep, and a grinder catches it.

As for the coin thing, I just scrape my screen with a coin AFTER I pack my bowls. It does get some trichomes caught in the metal down.


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Re: kief is so hard to handle [Re: Nothing Is]
    #657257 - 02/02/13 12:59 PM (11 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

Nothing Is said:
That's a fair point about the trichomes getting lost when you break up the bud by hand. I hadn't thought of that actually.

It may be aesthetics, I don't know, but ground up weed looks sucky to me. I just love squishing a nice nug into my bowl. I think it might even taste better, too. Wouldn't you rather eat steak than hamburger?



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You don't like nugs?



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Re: kief is so hard to handle [Re: nannybooboo]
    #657258 - 02/02/13 01:00 PM (11 years, 2 months ago)

Yeah I know.....


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Re: kief is so hard to handle [Re: Hawksresurrection]
    #657283 - 02/02/13 02:00 PM (11 years, 2 months ago)

Well

I think grinders are sort of like shaved public hair. Old stoners ain't into that shit. Too much work.

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Re: kief is so hard to handle [Re: Nothing Is]
    #657286 - 02/02/13 02:01 PM (11 years, 2 months ago)

Btw facepalming is gay, just so you know.

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Re: kief is so hard to handle [Re: Nothing Is]
    #657288 - 02/02/13 02:02 PM (11 years, 2 months ago)

Facepalming at you definitely is not gay.  Being too lazy to grind your weed IS super gay.


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Re: kief is so hard to handle [Re: Nothing Is]
    #657289 - 02/02/13 02:02 PM (11 years, 2 months ago)

Too much work? How is grinding a g in 30 seconds more work than picking it apart by hand lol


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Re: kief is so hard to handle [Re: Hawksresurrection]
    #657291 - 02/02/13 02:04 PM (11 years, 2 months ago)

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hawksapprentice said:
What the hell are talking about?




Grinders and shit like that.

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Re: kief is so hard to handle [Re: Nothing Is]
    #657293 - 02/02/13 02:05 PM (11 years, 2 months ago)

Yeah I figured it out and edited.  A little slow when I'm hungover.


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Re: kief is so hard to handle [Re: Connoisseur]
    #657294 - 02/02/13 02:06 PM (11 years, 2 months ago)

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Too much work? How is grinding a g in 30 seconds more work than picking it apart by hand lol




Well, for starters, I'd have to go to the store and buy a grinder.

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Re: kief is so hard to handle [Re: Nothing Is]
    #657295 - 02/02/13 02:07 PM (11 years, 2 months ago)

Ahh...you poor thing.  Having to go do something.


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Re: kief is so hard to handle [Re: Hawksresurrection]
    #657298 - 02/02/13 02:15 PM (11 years, 2 months ago)

Well I don't have to. I can just pack my nugs in a bowl just like I've been doing for the last thirty years.

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Re: kief is so hard to handle [Re: Nothing Is]
    #657314 - 02/02/13 03:06 PM (11 years, 2 months ago)

:huxleyfacepalm:Grinders make smoking easier. I am going to have to give you a bad rating for this whole bonanza. I can't believe you've been smoking for 30 years, let alone been on this planet for more than 10! I don't mean to be mean but this is serious business.


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Re: kief is so hard to handle [Re: FRACTALife]
    #657319 - 02/02/13 03:24 PM (11 years, 2 months ago)

Bad ratings just demonstrate you can think for yourself. There's no real critical original thinkers here with good ratings. I would be embarrassed to have a good rating. All it means is you're a group thinker.

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Re: kief is so hard to handle [Re: Nothing Is]
    #657324 - 02/02/13 03:37 PM (11 years, 2 months ago)

That's some very flawed logic dude.


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Re: kief is so hard to handle [Re: Hawksresurrection]
    #657350 - 02/02/13 04:03 PM (11 years, 2 months ago)

If people disagree with you they give you a bad rating.

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Re: kief is so hard to handle [Re: Nothing Is]
    #657352 - 02/02/13 04:04 PM (11 years, 2 months ago)

What's your point?


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Re: kief is so hard to handle [Re: Hawksresurrection]
    #657359 - 02/02/13 04:14 PM (11 years, 2 months ago)

That bad ratings demonstrate that you can think for yourself.

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Re: kief is so hard to handle [Re: Nothing Is]
    #657362 - 02/02/13 04:15 PM (11 years, 2 months ago)

Not at all.  They show that you can incite people, or that they rate for poor reasons.  Again.  Your logic is flawed.


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Re: kief is so hard to handle [Re: Hawksresurrection]
    #657369 - 02/02/13 04:21 PM (11 years, 2 months ago)

I bet you I can make a puppet on here, agree with all the popular opinions and get a bunch of five stars. I got all my hate ratings for taking unpopular opinions. Especially because I despise the US military.

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Re: kief is so hard to handle [Re: Nothing Is]
    #657372 - 02/02/13 04:29 PM (11 years, 2 months ago)

Who cares. 

It's not your opinions.  It how you present them.  I have good ratings because I help people out on a regular basis.  You have poor ratings because you spout hateful words.  It's not taking an unpopular opinion, it's being hateful. 


I despise the US military.  I think our government is fairly fucked up.  I don't have poor ratings because I don't present those ideas in ways that cause offense.


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Re: kief is so hard to handle [Re: Hawksresurrection]
    #657375 - 02/02/13 04:36 PM (11 years, 2 months ago)

IMO, you don't have bad ratings because you don't express your disdain for the military vehemently enough.

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Re: kief is so hard to handle [Re: Nothing Is]
    #657376 - 02/02/13 04:37 PM (11 years, 2 months ago)

Well, that's just like your opinion man :thedude:


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Re: kief is so hard to handle [Re: Hawksresurrection]
    #657390 - 02/02/13 04:59 PM (11 years, 2 months ago)

:jiggletits:


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Re: kief is so hard to handle [Re: FRACTALife]
    #657392 - 02/02/13 05:05 PM (11 years, 2 months ago)

No flaming.


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