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First grow, droopy leaves, edges curled down. (Pics!)
    #645972 - 11/15/12 06:41 AM (4 years, 26 days ago)

Soil Growers:
1. Are you growing from seed or clones?
Seed, from bag o' brick weed.
2. How old are your plants?
2 months, give or take a week.
3. How tall are your plants?
The two smaller ones are 21", the two taller ones are 28".
4. What size containers are they planted in?
Not sure, about 3-gallon buckets.
5. What is your soil mix?
Scotts Hyponex.
6. How often do you water and what type of water do you use?
Every 3 or so days, been stepping it up as they were underwatered for a little while. Store-bought distilled "no minerals added" water, with 1 tbsp blackstrap molasses per gallon.
7. What is the pH of your water?
Untested
8. What kind of fertilizer do you use and what is its NPK ratio?
None.
9. Do you foliar feed or spray your plants with anything?
No.
10. What kind of lights do you use and how many watts combined? (HPS, MH, fluorescent, halogen, incandescent "plant lights")
400w HPS
11. How close are your lights to the plants?
8" from the taller ones, 14" from the smaller ones.
12. What size is your grow space in square feet?
Not sure, 2.5'w x 3'l
13. What is the temperature and humidity in your grow space?
Temp swings from high 70's day, to ~50's at night.
14. What is the pH of the soil?
Tested with soil PH meter, 6.8.
15. Have you noticed any insect activity in your grow space?
None at all.
16. How much experience do you have growing?

First grow. :laugh:


I should note that these curled leaves are few and far between, but I just want to be safe!
Also, started with 5 seeds, ended up with 4 females! :psybong:

Lower leaves:











Top of one plant:



Also, some pics of the group!
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Re: First grow, droopy leaves, edges curled down. (Pics!) [Re: resincoatedlungs]
    #645979 - 11/15/12 09:36 AM (4 years, 26 days ago)

I'm interested to see what a TC says but if those were mine, I would be concerned with overwatering and possibly root rot. It would be good to know your runoff PH.
Also the 2nd pic looks like light burn to me.
I'm still learning so let's wait to see what the pros think.


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Re: First grow, droopy leaves, edges curled down. (Pics!) [Re: NameInUse]
    #645986 - 11/15/12 12:31 PM (4 years, 26 days ago)

What is the npk of that soil? Looks like it's hot(burning the plants).

Overwatering looks likely too but I still want to say that soil may be hot.


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Re: First grow, droopy leaves, edges curled down. (Pics!) [Re: mhbound]
    #645991 - 11/15/12 02:05 PM (4 years, 26 days ago)

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What is the npk of that soil? Looks like it's hot(burning the plants).

Overwatering looks likely too but I still want to say that soil may be hot.




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Re: First grow, droopy leaves, edges curled down. (Pics!) [Re: Hawksresurrection]
    #646011 - 11/15/12 06:13 PM (4 years, 26 days ago)

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I'm interested to see what a TC says but if those were mine, I would be concerned with overwatering and possibly root rot. It would be good to know your runoff PH.
Also the 2nd pic looks like light burn to me.




I used to be pretty sparing with the watering, allowing the soil to get crispy, bone dry before watering, but they started to look bad/droopy and once I stepped up the watering, they looked better.
And waiting on PH test strips in the mail, none were found locally. :sad:
Can someone clear up what a proper watering schedule would be? And how to tell when they're ready for watering?


I should clarify, I'm pretty sure the 2nd pic burn is from when I had CFLs hanging around them and they stretched into one one night and stayed pressed up against the bulb for a couple hours, I just figured I'd take a pic anyway.

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What is the npk of that soil? Looks like it's hot(burning the plants).




.07-.01-.03

But it does have semi-clear yellow beads in it (presumably time-release nutes.) :mad:


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Re: First grow, droopy leaves, edges curled down. (Pics!) [Re: resincoatedlungs]
    #646023 - 11/15/12 06:37 PM (4 years, 26 days ago)

I personally tell by lifting my pots and touching the top layer. I wait until the top is dry and poke my finger in, I water if the soil feels midly moist at knuckle depth. It could be days depending on pot size and age of plant.


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Re: First grow, droopy leaves, edges curled down. (Pics!) [Re: resincoatedlungs]
    #646028 - 11/15/12 06:45 PM (4 years, 26 days ago)

From what I read that soil gets compact and doesn't allow air to reach the roots. Apparently some people have used it in the past but I would get a little better soil from now on. It is potting soil right?

Are you letting that soil get completely dry? Because of the texture the roots may be remaining wet and like someone said causing root rot. If you stick your finger in the soil down about 2 inches it Should be dry. Pay attention to the weight of the plants before and after you water so you know.

Yea those time release nutes are awful. Can you tell us exactly what the name is on the bag?

But assuming the nutrients are in check I'm retracting my answer back to overwatering... which could lead to poor nutrient uptake. The more you water the more nutrients are released from those little balls.


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Re: First grow, droopy leaves, edges curled down. (Pics!) [Re: mhbound]
    #646029 - 11/15/12 06:58 PM (4 years, 26 days ago)

It does seem to be lacking in perlite, and I used to let the soil get dry about an 1.5"  down, but it started to seem like I was underwatering.
Then I started to water more, and more frequently, and all the plants perked up quite a bit. Maybe I should just try to find a "balance" in watering?

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Hyponex by: Scotts



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Re: First grow, droopy leaves, edges curled down. (Pics!) [Re: resincoatedlungs]
    #646033 - 11/15/12 07:25 PM (4 years, 26 days ago)

One of the biggest problems is overwatering. That said, marijuana is a weed it can survive much better in a dry environment opposed to a wet environment.

Personally I would let it get bone dry before my next watering.

3 gallon buckets Should last longer than 3 days between waterings...for that size plant.

You could always repot with a better soil before switching over to flowering. Or you can just wing it and get through this. Of course of you repot you will need some nutrients...even though the time released are no substitute at least they have something.


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Re: First grow, droopy leaves, edges curled down. (Pics!) [Re: mhbound]
    #646037 - 11/15/12 07:39 PM (4 years, 26 days ago)

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One of the biggest problems is overwatering. That said, marijuana is a weed it can survive much better in a dry environment opposed to a wet environment.

Personally I would let it get bone dry before my next watering.

3 gallon buckets Should last longer than 3 days between waterings...for that size plant.




Noted. Will be letting them get a bit drier before the next watering, should I expect to be able to tell a difference before I water them?

They've already started flowering, all 4 are girls, had to get one male out.  :shakefist:
It's been about a week since 12/12 was started, but the first one showed sex while still under 18/6, the rest followed suit right after switching to 12/12.


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Re: First grow, droopy leaves, edges curled down. (Pics!) [Re: resincoatedlungs]
    #646041 - 11/15/12 07:59 PM (4 years, 26 days ago)

I would back off on a few watering until you get a feel for when to water. I wait until mine droop a little on top of feeling dry, there is no reason to give them something they don't need. Once you go through a couple of weeks with the new watering I bet they start growing better and you will have a better feel for when they need water so you can adjust your schedule as they grow and consume more water.


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Re: First grow, droopy leaves, edges curled down. (Pics!) [Re: mhbound]
    #646045 - 11/15/12 08:28 PM (4 years, 26 days ago)

:thanx:

Also, how much more do the roots grow during flowering?

I feel like I may be able to squeeze by with the smaller buckets/pots as long as root growth doesn't explode. But if I have to transplant, how dangerous is it for the plant to be transplanted during flowering?


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Re: First grow, droopy leaves, edges curled down. (Pics!) [Re: resincoatedlungs]
    #646047 - 11/15/12 08:42 PM (4 years, 26 days ago)

Root growth stops.


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Re: First grow, droopy leaves, edges curled down. (Pics!) [Re: resincoatedlungs]
    #646048 - 11/15/12 08:44 PM (4 years, 26 days ago)

It's not a good idea to transplant during flowering, the only way I would do it is if I reverted back to vegetative growth. I would just leave them in the pots they are in.

Roots reach for nutrients and water so if they have all the water they need in the rootball then root growth isn't needed. Just something to think about when watering.


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Re: First grow, droopy leaves, edges curled down. (Pics!) [Re: mhbound]
    #646653 - 11/18/12 11:47 AM (4 years, 23 days ago)

Red petioles + Clawing / Rams Horns + darker than normal green color are usually signs of Nitrogen overdose.  The slight curling and twisting I'm seeing point to possible Ph swings as well. 

Hawks - I'm sorry but that's not true.  Root growth does not stop during the flowering phase.  It is a continual growth throughout all stages of the plant life.  Root growth may slow severely during flowering compared to veg, but, they still grow.  I go from a solo cup, to a 3 gallon bucket, as my transplant steps.  It sits in the 3 gallon bucket for 3-5 days after transplant before being thrown into 12/12.  When I'm finished my bucket is loaded with roots.  So, roots definitely grow when you flower.  Transplanting during flowering is not recommended because you're stalling your grow slightly.  The shock of the transplant may stall growth, then the fresh soil may encourage more root development than bud growth which is the opposite of what you want.

So, that is to say, you can transplant during flowering it's just not an optimal thing to do for your grow.

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3 gallon buckets Should last longer than 3 days between waterings...for that size plant.




This is not very true either.  That can only be ascertained if you know how quickly his soil drains.  I run hempy style buckets and by week 3 I'm watering them every other day. Sometimes by week 5 I switch to daily waterings.  That's not to say he should be watering every other day, but, its never really a good idea to give time as a unit of measure for waterings.  Do a pot lift test, to me that's easiest way to know when to water.  As long as his soil drains properly (you should lose 5-10% of whatever water you put in to have properly draining pots), and he gives them a decent amount of time to dry out and utilize the food/water, over watering is less of an issue than most people make it out to be.  As long as your soil isn't a swamp 24/7 you'll be ok in this department most times.


To the OP -  The problem here is your growing medium IMO.  It's using a time release fertilizer which is most likely very, very, powerful stuff. Unless you specifically amend the soils yourself, using any product that has a label which reads "provides continuous food for up to X months" is a no no.  You could transplant, but unfortunately I don't think that would solve your problem.  If you are providing additional food with your water I would cut down the amount you feed to compensate for what's in the soil.  Water only when your pots feel 50-75% lighter than when they are fully soaked.  Good luck!


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Re: First grow, droopy leaves, edges curled down. (Pics!) [Re: coda]
    #646655 - 11/18/12 11:49 AM (4 years, 23 days ago)

I agree with the bucket size but I looked up the soil he is using and it drains very poorly.


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Re: First grow, droopy leaves, edges curled down. (Pics!) [Re: mhbound]
    #646658 - 11/18/12 12:39 PM (4 years, 23 days ago)

A mixture of perlite and/or some LECA(Hydroton) in the bottom of the bucket will allow any soil to drain properly. 

OP - If you really do have slow draining soil, wait until your soil is dry, you can purchase some hydroton or some large garden stones, lift the plant from the bucket, then place the LECA/Stones at the bottom and replant.  It may not be necessary now, but, it's one of the common things soil growers do to aid in drainage.


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Re: First grow, droopy leaves, edges curled down. (Pics!) [Re: coda]
    #646665 - 11/18/12 02:57 PM (4 years, 23 days ago)

Well from what I've seen in my hydro setups, it pretty much stops.  There might be a little bit of growth, but it's so little that for the purposes of the question at hand it may as well not even be growing.


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Re: First grow, droopy leaves, edges curled down. (Pics!) [Re: Hawksresurrection]
    #647005 - 11/20/12 06:48 AM (4 years, 21 days ago)

Thank you all for the help so far!

Flushed 'em last night, and while the soil was wet, loosened up the soil by pushing in on all sides of the buckets, breaking up the solid compact mass and allowing better drainage.

Checked on them when the lights came on and the change is just astounding. Every single plant has bushed out, perked up, and almost appears to have gotten about an inch taller.

Very few of the lower leaves look bad, but the rest of the plant transformed!

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Re: First grow, droopy leaves, edges curled down. (Pics!) [Re: resincoatedlungs]
    #647009 - 11/20/12 07:45 AM (4 years, 21 days ago)

Good to know. That's why we here's. :thumbup:

Keep the pics coming. :yesnod:


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