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    #384043 - 03/15/10 03:58 PM (10 years, 19 days ago)

So these plants are starting to look horrible. The leaves are curling downward and some have yellow spots on top. And one has this dark purple spot underneath the leaf. They're in a 5 gal ebb and flow 5 runs a day. The nutes are floranova grow 10ml, flralcious pro 5ml, flora blend 50ml, 5 drops of superthrive, 3tsp of pro-tekt silicon supplement, 15 ml of oxy cal, 1 tsp of Epsom salt. It's 600 ppm and 5.8 ph. 400 watt hps with 4 floras on it. 18 on 6 off. So what's the deal guys??? This is driving me nuts!


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Re: Wilting curly leaves with a touch of yellow!!!??? [Re: Grow]
    #384060 - 03/15/10 04:42 PM (10 years, 19 days ago)

any kind of insects? check for eggs under the leaves etc

a picture would be nice


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Re: Wilting curly leaves with a touch of yellow!!!??? [Re: mhbound]
    #384072 - 03/15/10 05:05 PM (10 years, 19 days ago)

Doubtful that it's insects.  Sounds more like nutrient issues to me.  How old are these plants?  Have you tried flushing these out yet??  Is this starting from the bottom and working it's way up?  What are the temps of your water??  In the room??


Hydro Growers:
1. Are you growing from seed or clones?
2. How old are your plants?
3. How tall are your plants?
4. What type of hydro system are you using?
5. What brand/type of nutrients are you using?
6. What is the Ph of your nutrient solution?
7. What is the PPM/EC of your tap water?
8. What is the PPM/EC of your nutrient solution?
9. What is the temperature of your nutrient solution?
10. Does your PPM/EC show a rise or fall when you do your daily PPM check?
11. Does your pH show a rise or fall when you do your daily check?
12. Do you foliar feed or spray your plants with anything?
13. What kind of lights do you use and how many watts combined? (HPS, MH, fluorescent, halogen, incandescent "plant lights")
14. How close are your lights to the plants?
15. What size is your grow space in square feet?
16. What is the temperature and humidity in your grow space?
17. Have you noticed any insect activity in your grow space?
18. How much experience do you have growing?


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Re: Wilting curly leaves with a touch of yellow!!!??? [Re: Hawksresurrection]
    #384081 - 03/15/10 05:18 PM (10 years, 19 days ago)

yea he just didnt give us much info to go on

shot in the dark, :lol:

nutrients are more likely it though yea...good call. first thought was pH but you are fine there


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Re: Wilting curly leaves with a touch of yellow!!!??? [Re: mhbound]
    #384143 - 03/15/10 06:55 PM (10 years, 19 days ago)

Sorry tried to think of everything. But my temp is kinda high at times at about 75-88. But the nutes are at a temp of 65 which I'm sure is low. I need to get more accurate ph meter btw. The lights are just below the heat zone using my hand. Havnt tried to flush. My ppm before nute wasn't readable on a ppm meter with lowest of 200 but it said reverse osmosis water.. The humidity is kinda low around 30 if even readable. Their about four inches high grown from seed in rockwool medium. I have been foliar feeding with some floralicious but stopped two days ago. No bugs besides those black and red bugs that look like lightning bugs kinda but I have been using pepper some insectacide around grow room. No rise or fall in ppm or ph. This is fourth week of grow. Grow room is about 20sq ft. And I have no experience with an ebb and flow only floating bed on a smaller scale. But I am pretty educated on the subject as all I do is read up on it. Hope that helps guys let me know.


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Re: Wilting curly leaves with a touch of yellow!!!??? [Re: Grow]
    #384158 - 03/15/10 07:09 PM (10 years, 19 days ago)

And since my ph tester sucks. If anything my ph is rising but not drasticly. The temp as of now is 79 with 29% humidity. There is only one plant that has yellow spots. But all of the plants leaves are curling downward. The one that has yellow spots has it on two middle leaves that will eventually be fan leaves. They also have some super green algea growing on the rockwool idk if that has an effect but w.e and idk if my ph is exactly 5.8 but more of 5-6.5 area.


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Re: Wilting curly leaves with a touch of yellow!!!??? [Re: Grow]
    #384159 - 03/15/10 07:14 PM (10 years, 19 days ago)

something with the nutes...

and i think that something is you spraying the leaves with the feeding

i don't even start feeding mine at this point...well, i use a very mild feed.

i bet it will improve...dont panic

flush it and mist the leaves to try and help remove any residue from the feed

umm...if it doesn't get better or gets worse or has continued to get worse since you stopped the feeding on the leaves

don't feed it anything...just water it for a 7-10 days...flush it with good water everytime you water(every 2-3 days) I would do it every 2 days and mist the leaves off lightly

um...i suspect it will recover within that week to 10 days...if not then we'll try something else but i think that will at least help if not fix your problem


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Re: Wilting curly leaves with a touch of yellow!!!??? [Re: mhbound]
    #384163 - 03/15/10 07:17 PM (10 years, 19 days ago)

and then you said it........and i still didnt get what you were trying to say.

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Re: Wilting curly leaves with a touch of yellow!!!??? [Re: Grow]
    #384164 - 03/15/10 07:17 PM (10 years, 19 days ago)

Ebb and flow can be a little tricky to get the timing down on watering.  How long is the pump running when it is on??  It could be that your not giving them enough watering's.  65 is just fine for your water temp


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Re: Wilting curly leaves with a touch of yellow!!!??? [Re: Hawksresurrection]
    #384177 - 03/15/10 07:40 PM (10 years, 19 days ago)

Okay that saves me on the submersible Heater. I will flush. I was thinking it was nutes too. The pump runs for 30 mins during the three times of day and 15 mins during the two times at night. Thanks for reminding me as I needed to ask that question. And if my ph keeps going up how often can I add ph down cuz I don't wanna kill em ya know. Thanks guys you rock this is a great community with the some really smart botanists In the making.  And mhbound what do u mean by and then you said it and I still don't know what your trying to say?


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Re: Wilting curly leaves with a touch of yellow!!!??? [Re: Grow]
    #384179 - 03/15/10 07:45 PM (10 years, 19 days ago)

oh sorry man i posted that in the wrong thread i had both of these opened :lol:


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Re: Wilting curly leaves with a touch of yellow!!!??? [Re: Grow]
    #384180 - 03/15/10 07:49 PM (10 years, 19 days ago)

You can add as much pH down as your water needs.  It's not going to affect your plants adversely


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Re: Wilting curly leaves with a touch of yellow!!!??? [Re: Hawksresurrection]
    #384182 - 03/15/10 08:01 PM (10 years, 19 days ago)

Really I heard it could kill em. Hmm I guess they were just talking about something different like ph causing nutrient lockout and took it wrong way. So is my flow routine fine or should I change times at all?


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Re: Wilting curly leaves with a touch of yellow!!!??? [Re: Grow]
    #384183 - 03/15/10 08:06 PM (10 years, 19 days ago)

that should be fine for that plant

but im not real familiar with ebb and flow


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Re: Wilting curly leaves with a touch of yellow!!!??? [Re: mhbound]
    #384185 - 03/15/10 08:21 PM (10 years, 19 days ago)

Btw how long do I flush minute wise and how many times and when should I start nutes again.


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Re: Wilting curly leaves with a touch of yellow!!!??? [Re: Grow]
    #384191 - 03/15/10 08:25 PM (10 years, 19 days ago)

wait at least 7 days to feed again more like 10...they don't need a ton of nutes right now

you may be just be burning the plant up with nutes, i dont know though..

stand there with the setup on and after the regular time just watch it and kind of eye it...I would probably double your times you are doing now

for 10 days it won't hurt it

but don't water every day...but when you do flush that biatch the hell out

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Re: Wilting curly leaves with a touch of yellow!!!??? [Re: Hawksresurrection]
    #384194 - 03/15/10 08:29 PM (10 years, 19 days ago)

Well if your not familiar with ebb and flow maybe you shouldn't tell him his rate of watering is fine.


Stick with the same frequency during your flush.  Use a product like clearex, this will help a ton.  If you can't obtain that then just use a very low nutrient solution.  Like 1-2 ml's per gallon of water.  This works better than plain h20.  Let it run for an entire day, then on the 2nd day change your reservoir and replace with your full strength nutrient solution.


As for frequency your going to have to fiddle with that one on your own.  Check the root zone right before your pumps go back on to see how much they have dried out.  If it seems to dry up the frequency.  Too wet decrease it. 


Do you have an air stone with a pump in your reservoir??  If not I would recommend it.


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Re: Wilting curly leaves with a touch of yellow!!!??? [Re: Hawksresurrection]
    #384200 - 03/15/10 08:33 PM (10 years, 19 days ago)

i know enough to tell him the basics

im not a moron

im not a pro but im not a kid either


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Re: Wilting curly leaves with a touch of yellow!!!??? [Re: mhbound]
    #384226 - 03/15/10 09:01 PM (10 years, 19 days ago)

Okay. Yes I do have airstones and it is ph adjusted. I will keep checking the roots And again thanks alot guys I hope both of you stay up to date with me cuz you're helping alot.


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Re: Wilting curly leaves with a touch of yellow!!!??? [Re: mhbound]
    #384230 - 03/15/10 09:10 PM (10 years, 19 days ago)

I never said you didn't know anything.  But if you have little experience in a subject you shouldn't give advice on it.


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Re: Wilting curly leaves with a touch of yellow!!!??? [Re: Hawksresurrection]
    #384234 - 03/15/10 09:15 PM (10 years, 19 days ago)

well...in the time being until someone with more knowledge came i can at least get him on the right track i feel pretty confident

i didnt take it definitely or anything just letting you know im not coaster :lol:


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Re: Wilting curly leaves with a touch of yellow!!!??? [Re: mhbound]
    #384240 - 03/15/10 09:25 PM (10 years, 19 days ago)

lol


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Re: Wilting curly leaves with a touch of yellow!!!??? [Re: Hawksresurrection]
    #387255 - 03/20/10 01:31 PM (10 years, 14 days ago)

Okay so I flushed 2 days to be safe with water and 1ml per gal of grow. I switched em back to the regular nutes yesterday I think. But idk I this picture site will work I'm trying to find ways to upload pictures since I'm on an iPhone but try this link-Dropshots  they're healthy now but the only problem is slight wilting. I'm thinking is because of too much water not enough time to dry let me know what you think there are 3 pictures.


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Re: Wilting curly leaves with a touch of yellow!!!??? [Re: Grow]
    #387765 - 03/21/10 03:31 PM (10 years, 13 days ago)

Ok, ebb&flow is all I did for awhile so...

Your 3 floods a day is about right for the size they are, Are you using hydroton in net pots? How high is your lights? Whats your temp in there? Your humidity should be brought up, 60 to 70 is good for veg.

I use floranova also but only the things in that line, floralicious plus, Florablend ect ect. for that size I use a quater teaspoon per gallon of the grow, and everything else as directed, floralicious plus 1ml, Florablend 5ml ect ect. That stuff is tricky the slightest amount over can cause problems, I kno cause I had them at one point before getting a feel for the nutes.

Its likely that the temp is high, earlier you said 79, thats not really high but combined with the low humidity its kida arid. It seems they dont like the amount of nutes your giving, so back off on the nutes, get the humidity up and in the future when you mist to flush them out or feed make sure you mist both sides of the leaves top and bottom with decient runoff. Also, how do your roots look?

Ill get back to you if I think of something else. good luck


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Re: Wilting curly leaves with a touch of yellow!!!??? [Re: Union420]
    #388137 - 03/22/10 07:57 AM (10 years, 12 days ago)

There just sitting in cutouts of the table. In 5in rockwool cubes. No hydroton no mesh pots. The temps been staying anywhere from 69-80 during day, I have a fan with a thermastat to stay at 75 it's on alot though. I put new pictures up just follow the link below and see. (my hps isn't on because can't take pictures with an iPhone with that much light, looks like your looking at a tv through a camera, lines moving across.) Wilting plants

oh and btw! As you can see in one of those pictures of all the hydro, for some reason one side just sucks.. One side is like stalled growth and the other is nice. They both recieve the same amount of flooding, etc. Same factors but some are stalled.. WTF


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Re: Wilting curly leaves with a touch of yellow!!!??? [Re: Grow]
    #389000 - 03/23/10 09:42 PM (10 years, 11 days ago)

Are they all the same strain? Different strains can react differently in the same enviroment. For the most part they look good except obviously for the real bad ones but you can still see a good amount of N buildup in the leaves of the bigger ones, very dark green. These should recover shortly it looks like.

The really bad looking ones are gonna need some serious tlc, I kno it would kill you to do it but if it were me Id scrap em and focus on the healthy ones. There always gonna be chasing the better ones and you will most likely always be battling a nute burn with them because your plants that are furhter along will demand higher nutes than the stunted ones constantly causing you to burn the smaller ones, kno what I mean?


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Re: Wilting curly leaves with a touch of yellow!!!??? [Re: Union420]
    #389643 - 03/25/10 12:27 AM (10 years, 9 days ago)

If the site asks for a password its: grow

but good news they perked up I'll take another picture soon. I don't know what I should do Im going to take cuttings for sex and save the females but I'll keep the equal in size ones. But they're all the same species accept one. They're all just good seeds from the best bag I had, nice green bud, great smoke, upper head high stuff. But the bottom right is a seed from a nice cronic bud. Idk the name I fucking hate that name shit. It's good shit that's all. But I also am starting a "bubba kush" plant today and have a nice supposed "Purps" really indica looking nice short broad leaves. I started it when I first posted this thread and it's almost the biggest I have. It's growing fast. I'm planning on keeping track and making grow log. Hydro and soil mother to clones to outdoor etc. Should be nice outcome. Might add white widow to the mix. (still hate the names and shit)


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Re: Wilting curly leaves with a touch of yellow!!!??? [Re: Grow]
    #389938 - 03/25/10 04:21 PM (10 years, 9 days ago)

Well I updated with pictures so you can see they look much better. If they look like they wilting it's because I am a dumbass and got the idea to tie them over and decieded to change my mind... Idk why i did it. They just started recovering i don't know why I would stress them more.. But the bigges. Soil is the purps, the middle left in the ebb and flow is the chronic(unknown) the little peat pod is the bubba kush I planted today after 20 hour watersoak. The reason I have alot of little ones is for when it gets warm enough for them to go outside. The little pot with a cellophane cover is some Pedro I just planted. And as you can see in some of the pictures the light green is coming back.


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