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Im just sick of athiests flaming Christians.
im sick of christians flaming everything thats not cristian. and even some other christian denominations.
Not all christians do that. Neither do all athiests. All religions are bad to eachother. I wish we could just accept what tbe other believes. Not calling it legend or fairy tales or ignorance or fear. Aren't we supposed to be the peaceful accepting ones? The drug users who understand the universe? Thats our claim, right? Or has that been lost..
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yeah, people hop on the bashing christians ban wagon, too much...
my whole family is christians and they are all either crazy and not all denominating cause they just hang out and don't give a fuck, or they are fuckin' nice and care about your well-being, more then your average fucking moron, but i guess that's just when you're not "stuck up" i suppose. 
i mean, no body in my family is really a practicing christian, except for maybe my mom and grandmother... that's it...
my uncle is into some crazy spiritual shit, and does meditation... hell, he WAS christian and was most upstanding, and then he dropped in favor of "other" and grew Salvia recently cause he is looking for different means to explore "god-consciousness" and shit 
once... the once christian believer of God (now believes in higher power but not God "himself") touched my heart chakra, though sheer awesomeness, literally.
i don't know if he has got psychological powers but... i don't man, spirituality and christianity and all the others; all of them can be pretty damn enlightening.
ya know, the one thing i find to be most true, and someone on the shroomery was saying this before recently... is that religions... just don't evolve. they don't update. they are so out of date and some people with them... but not all people... some people know how to keep a realistic standard. 
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One thing that people can not explain is. When it comes to statistics. It is a proven fact that people who pray prior to surgery have less complications than people who do not pray.
Interesting fact.
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 Re: How I see god  [Re: Picklez]
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how statistically significant is this finding?
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I dont recall the exact numbers but I recall it being fairly significant, enough so that it would make you want to pray if you were about to go under the knife.
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Just because it cannot be explained doesn't mean that god helps you. It might be that the praying activates certain pathways in your brain that in turn affect blood vessels for examples which is good for the operation outcome. LSD and shrooms cure my headaches cause they reduce the diameter of cerebral capillaries. It could be that during operation a certain amount of 5HT agonization occurs and the praying helps to overcome a given threshold in physiological response that favours a positive outcome.
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Count on people from the Growery to find a way to twist a positive statistic up.
Fact- people who pray before surgery are significantly less likely to have complications during surgery. period.
I never said it was because of God. I was merely pointing out an interesting statistic. if I werent heading to bed, I would pull up the exact stats. It is a pretty well known stat. Doctors will generally inform you of it before you have surgery.
I got my interview in a couple of hours so 
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Re: How I see god [Re: Picklez]
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I'll wait till they figure this out and find out the pathways that upregulate the probability of a positive outcome. Then instead of a prayer they might give you a pill or something.
Do you have a job interview?
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Re: How I see god [Re: Picklez]
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Count on people from the Growery to find a way to twist a positive statistic up.
Fact- people who pray before surgery are significantly less likely to have complications during surgery. period.
I never said it was because of God. I was merely pointing out an interesting statistic. if I werent heading to bed, I would pull up the exact stats. It is a pretty well known stat. Doctors will generally inform you of it before you have surgery.
I got my interview in a couple of hours so
I know the study you're referring to but the findings weren't at all statistically significant. Besides all the other studies finding no statistical difference, or an increase in complications in the prayer group.
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/03/31/health/31pray.html
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kickin-two-hundo said:
you know what i did in english class? I came to class stoned out of my mind every day, i chugged vodka in the back of class, i put dead fish in the ceiling tiles. i put a gallon of old milk and orange juice in the file cabinet before winter vacation. i brought snakes in a tied up sweater and let them loose during class. i didnt go to school to learn, i went because i had to. i didnt care, and i didn't fucking listen to that stupid bitch. and i still don't fucking care. i tore the pages out of her books and burned them, and threw away all the books in the class, two books per day. 
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Im just sick of athiests flaming Christians.
im sick of christians flaming everything thats not cristian. and even some other christian denominations.
Not all christians do that. Neither do all athiests. All religions are bad to eachother. I wish we could just accept what tbe other believes. Not calling it legend or fairy tales or ignorance or fear. Aren't we supposed to be the peaceful accepting ones? The drug users who understand the universe? Thats our claim, right? Or has that been lost..
The christian god is the biggest fairy tale, founded by fear and perpetuated by ignorance, that man has ever came across.
No flame in that statement.
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Re: How I see god [Re: King Koopa]
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I am not afraid, I am hopeful. I think that this world, this beautiful, fantastic world was in no way created by a "big bang" or by some chance. There is too much pointing towards intelligent design. Like how intricate the human cell is, or how plants draw their food from the sun, or how someone's cancer gets better, and doctors are baffled. I just think its cynical to not have some feeling of a Maker who has purpose, good or bad. Some hope and faith that this existance means something in the end. I am not trying to be defensive, just trying to explain the so called "fear" and "fairy tale"
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I am not afraid, I am hopeful. I think that this world, this beautiful, fantastic world was in no way created by a "big bang" or by some chance. There is too much pointing towards intelligent design. Like how intricate the human cell is, or how plants draw their food from the sun, or how someone's cancer gets better, and doctors are baffled. I just think its cynical to not have some feeling of a Maker who has purpose, good or bad. Some hope and faith that this existance means something in the end. I am not trying to be defensive, just trying to explain the so called "fear" and "fairy tale"
Most of that comes from a lack of understanding of evolution and other scientific principles. The big bang happened, it's what caused it that's more up for debate.
There's still a lot we don't know, but that's what science is about. I think the world is beautiful enough without assigning some kind of divine meaning behind it all.
We assign God to phenomenon we can't explain without fully understanding, or perhaps even have the capacity to fully understand. This gives no credit to a creator for our inability to comprehend the world around us.
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you know what i did in english class? I came to class stoned out of my mind every day, i chugged vodka in the back of class, i put dead fish in the ceiling tiles. i put a gallon of old milk and orange juice in the file cabinet before winter vacation. i brought snakes in a tied up sweater and let them loose during class. i didnt go to school to learn, i went because i had to. i didnt care, and i didn't fucking listen to that stupid bitch. and i still don't fucking care. i tore the pages out of her books and burned them, and threw away all the books in the class, two books per day.
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Re: How I see god [Re: THEBats]
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So...because I am a believer in God, I dont know much about science or evolution? Because I do. I make it a point to be informed. I make it a point to have knowledge of things I dont believe or understand. So, no it doesnt come from having a filler of my lack of knowledge, using Jesus as all the answers to everything. It comes from being in awe of creation.
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i wasnt hating or bashing above, i just think its silly how close minded the majority of christians that i've met are.
i believe in *a* god. but its my god, a god of my understanding. not a good i have to listen to someone else tell me about. not a god that expects 10% of what i make (wtf?), not a vengeful god. not a god that would encourage his followers to start wars over since the beginning of the religions creation.
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niteowl said:
See, that term pedo gets thrown around a lot.
Is a 16 year old guy having sex w/a 16 year old girl a pedophile?
If not, then how is a 30 year old considered a pedophile for doing the same thing?
I think y'all need to look up the definition for pedophile.
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Well I try very, very hard not to be a closed minded Christian. They are the reason i stopped going to church.
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So how do you see god? What is the essence of this concept in your view?
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I would argue that you're probably not informed as you could be on the subject. Tell me, what books have you read about evolution?
More importantly have you read the bible all the way through, or even more importantly studied and read other holy books. You start to notice quite a few parallels when you get in depth with studying and understanding world religion.
Such as those between Jesus and Horus.
http://www.religioustolerance.org/chr_jcpa5b.htm
There are other parallels and themes found in earlier religions as well.
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kickin-two-hundo said:
you know what i did in english class? I came to class stoned out of my mind every day, i chugged vodka in the back of class, i put dead fish in the ceiling tiles. i put a gallon of old milk and orange juice in the file cabinet before winter vacation. i brought snakes in a tied up sweater and let them loose during class. i didnt go to school to learn, i went because i had to. i didnt care, and i didn't fucking listen to that stupid bitch. and i still don't fucking care. i tore the pages out of her books and burned them, and threw away all the books in the class, two books per day.
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OI see God as the creator of this universe, one that made us to glorify him by discovering more about his love. I do see him as a God of consequence. I see him as a giver and taker. I will admit, me and one of my best friends were having a religious discussion, where we were talking about how in the bible it says not to have sex before marriage, and not be gay, and not drugs. But it doesnt say drugs directly. The one thing I am having some trouble with, is God not alright with love you cant help, with drugs that could increase your faith? I am still growing in my faith, im only 20, im not going to have all the answers, neither will everyone else. I see God as an infinite being, the Holy Spirit as the fire and fervency in our hearts, God the Father who holds us all in his hands and loves us very much, and Jesus is the personification that brought us all hope and a chance.
As far as evolution and other religions, I read the God Delusion and a couple other things. Im not saying I know it all, but unlike most Christians I know, gave it a chance. I have read most of the bible, throughout schooling and even now. And yes, all religions really are parallel as you said. Most have a higher figure, a redemption, sacrifice. It just all depends on where your heart lies.
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Like I said, anyone can believe what they want to believe. I take more comfort however in reserving judgment on things which cannot be proven either way. I will say, there are many arguments against a personal God such as that portrayed in Abrahamic religions. But the exact nature of creation and what was before the big bang will be a mystery. Creator or not I think it is beyond our current capacity of understanding. I also think there's just as much awe without a creator.
My only argument against religious denomination is it is nearly always something of circumstance. I doubt you would hold the same beliefs or bias towards christianity if you were raised in India or China ect.
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kickin-two-hundo said:
you know what i did in english class? I came to class stoned out of my mind every day, i chugged vodka in the back of class, i put dead fish in the ceiling tiles. i put a gallon of old milk and orange juice in the file cabinet before winter vacation. i brought snakes in a tied up sweater and let them loose during class. i didnt go to school to learn, i went because i had to. i didnt care, and i didn't fucking listen to that stupid bitch. and i still don't fucking care. i tore the pages out of her books and burned them, and threw away all the books in the class, two books per day.
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Re: How I see god [Re: THEBats]
#561098 - 06/02/11 09:59 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Youre correct. I would probably be Buddhist of Hindu. Ill give you that. But its the same in the reverse. Its just how it is. And yeah, Old Testament God, man, he was something else. Tough as fuck. But you are right, there's no point in trying to change the other's beliefs. I do enjoy religious conversations. There is always more to learn about the other.
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