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any of you beleive in god?
    #457511 - 08/09/10 11:37 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

i know not all of em are like this buuut, today i said somthing about evolution and somone was like
you know thats just a theory, god created us.
its not i go around tellingg em gods just a theory too
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Re: any of you beleive in god? [Re: iStoner]
    #457512 - 08/09/10 11:41 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

I believe in God, but I believe in evolution.  I believe things started from God but he had the intentions of things evolving. :shrug:


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Re: any of you beleive in god? [Re: FarBeyondDriven]
    #457513 - 08/09/10 11:49 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

those are good thoughts, i personally have no idea what exactly i beleive.


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Re: any of you beleive in god? [Re: iStoner]
    #457516 - 08/10/10 12:02 AM (13 years, 7 months ago)

I have been through this as well in my head, do I believe in a higher power, not sure probably not. I would have an easier time if it was not that I have a hard time separating god from religion. Religion has tainted me pretty bad by all of its contradictions and the people who preach it.


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Re: any of you beleive in god? [Re: Kilroy]
    #457517 - 08/10/10 12:03 AM (13 years, 7 months ago)

im a non believer


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Re: any of you beleive in god? [Re: Kilroy]
    #457518 - 08/10/10 12:06 AM (13 years, 7 months ago)

Yeah, the fundamentalists and shove-it-down-your-throaters kinda give it a bad name :lol:

I believe what I believe though, not what they're trying to force me to :shrug:  A person has to find it for themselves, not have someone else tell them where it is :shrug:


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Re: any of you beleive in god? [Re: Kilroy]
    #457519 - 08/10/10 12:07 AM (13 years, 7 months ago)

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Kilroy said:
I have been through this as well in my head, do I believe in a higher power, not sure probably not. I would have an easier time if it was not that I have a hard time separating god from religion. Religion has tainted me pretty bad by all of its contradictions and the people who preach it.



i gottcha bro, religion has been hard on me and very few of them acatually get my respect.


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Re: any of you beleive in god? [Re: iStoner]
    #457522 - 08/10/10 12:19 AM (13 years, 7 months ago)

I am an agnostic believer in the Rastafarai way of life.


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Re: any of you beleive in god? [Re: FarBeyondDriven]
    #457523 - 08/10/10 12:20 AM (13 years, 7 months ago)

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Yeah, the fundamentalists and shove-it-down-your-throaters kinda give it a bad name :lol:

I believe what I believe though, not what they're trying to force me to :shrug:  A person has to find it for themselves, not have someone else tell them where it is :shrug:



I can respect that. :thumbup:


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Re: any of you beleive in god? [Re: Kilroy]
    #457530 - 08/10/10 12:48 AM (13 years, 7 months ago)

im agnostic, leaning towards athiest. i was raised catholic so its hard to be total athiest after years of being told god is real. i accept the fact that i have no idea though.
I beleive in alot of buddhist ways.


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Re: any of you beleive in god? [Re: iStoner]
    #457531 - 08/10/10 12:50 AM (13 years, 7 months ago)

I kind of have my own thing going on with a little bit of this and that sprinkled in there.  Not really sure what to call it.  Some Christianity I guess but mostly my own stuff and beliefs.  FBDism.:shrug:


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Re: any of you beleive in god? [Re: FarBeyondDriven]
    #457537 - 08/10/10 02:22 AM (13 years, 7 months ago)

ahhh, i totaly got some of my own stuff goin. no christianity though


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Re: any of you beleive in god? [Re: iStoner]
    #457549 - 08/10/10 05:50 AM (13 years, 7 months ago)

Realist.


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Re: any of you beleive in god? [Re: derelict]
    #457550 - 08/10/10 06:00 AM (13 years, 7 months ago)

i believe in the universe. It's my own way of life really. I believe all religions started as just a way of life before they incorporated all this brainwashing into them. My philosophy is everything happens for a reason and karma can be a bitch, so be nice to people.


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Re: any of you beleive in god? [Re: iStoner]
    #457557 - 08/10/10 07:33 AM (13 years, 7 months ago)

Must people who respond to any talk of evolution with "it's a theory" are most likely catholic/christian idiots.
I believe in god, but not as a pathological being who created us. I believe in god as a beautiful energy source of creation and beauty.
:peace::heart::flowerchild:


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Re: any of you beleive in god? [Re: FRACTALife]
    #457566 - 08/10/10 08:14 AM (13 years, 7 months ago)

i believe in the golden rule. do unto others as youd have others do unto you.....The secret to life is to be happy be nice and respect your fellow man its simple only requires a few good morals...


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Re: any of you beleive in god? [Re: MR.HEADY]
    #457570 - 08/10/10 09:01 AM (13 years, 7 months ago)

Many of you have some nice ways of thinking.
MrHeady I wish more if not everyone should think this way.
rakipo I think kamra as well pretty much the same as do unto others
Fractalife. That is a cool way to look at it.


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Re: any of you beleive in god? [Re: iStoner]
    #457575 - 08/10/10 09:18 AM (13 years, 7 months ago)

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iStoner said:
i know not all of em are like this buuut, today i said somthing about evolution and somone was like
you know thats just a theory, god created us.
its not i go around tellingg em gods just a theory too
:feelsbadman:




The only people who use that as a legitimate argument are people with very very little education who haven't the slightest idea what theory means in terms of science. Gravity is just a theory. Heliocentrism is just a theory. Something being a theory in no way reduces it's legitimacy as a scientific claim, and even more importantly, none of those things dictate the absence of God.  I don't understand how the fundamentalists can think that Evolution instantly means that God isn't real....


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Re: any of you beleive in god? [Re: FarBeyondDriven]
    #457584 - 08/10/10 09:44 AM (13 years, 7 months ago)

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I believe in God, but I believe in evolution.  I believe things started from God but he had the intentions of things evolving. :shrug:




thats what i think too. there is too much evidence to say that evolution isnt there


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Re: any of you beleive in god? [Re: A Girl]
    #457600 - 08/10/10 10:01 AM (13 years, 7 months ago)

I do not beleive in god.:awehigh:


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Re: any of you beleive in god? [Re: volcomstoner]
    #457601 - 08/10/10 10:02 AM (13 years, 7 months ago)

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I do not beleive in god.:awehigh:



that statement makes me laugh with that smiley. idk why though :awehigh:


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Re: any of you beleive in god? [Re: iStoner]
    #457617 - 08/10/10 10:14 AM (13 years, 7 months ago)

hahaha, it's my favorite smiley.


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Re: any of you beleive in god? [Re: volcomstoner]
    #457659 - 08/10/10 12:41 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

NO.


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you know what i did in english class? I came to class stoned out of my mind every day, i chugged vodka in the back of class, i put dead fish in the ceiling tiles. i put a gallon of old milk and orange juice in the file cabinet before winter vacation. i brought snakes in a tied up sweater and let them loose during class. i didnt go to school to learn, i went because i had to. i didnt care, and i didn't fucking listen to that stupid bitch. and i still don't fucking care. i tore the pages out of her books and burned them, and threw away all the books in the class, two books per day.  :twobooks:

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Re: any of you beleive in god? [Re: Harry_Ba11sach]
    #457661 - 08/10/10 12:42 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

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iStoner said:
i know not all of em are like this buuut, today i said somthing about evolution and somone was like
you know thats just a theory, god created us.
its not i go around tellingg em gods just a theory too
:feelsbadman:




The only people who use that as a legitimate argument are people with very very little education who haven't the slightest idea what theory means in terms of science. Gravity is just a theory. Heliocentrism is just a theory. Something being a theory in no way reduces it's legitimacy as a scientific claim, and even more importantly, none of those things dictate the absence of God.  I don't understand how the fundamentalists can think that Evolution instantly means that God isn't real....




Was going to say that but it's good to see you beat me to it.  People don't understand the definition of theory within the scientific community, or what it takes to get to that status.


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kickin-two-hundo said:
you know what i did in english class? I came to class stoned out of my mind every day, i chugged vodka in the back of class, i put dead fish in the ceiling tiles. i put a gallon of old milk and orange juice in the file cabinet before winter vacation. i brought snakes in a tied up sweater and let them loose during class. i didnt go to school to learn, i went because i had to. i didnt care, and i didn't fucking listen to that stupid bitch. and i still don't fucking care. i tore the pages out of her books and burned them, and threw away all the books in the class, two books per day.  :twobooks:

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Re: any of you beleive in god? [Re: THEBats]
    #457673 - 08/10/10 01:02 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

I knew this thread was gonna explode


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Re: any of you believe in god? [Re: Harry_Ba11sach]
    #457689 - 08/10/10 01:25 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

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iStoner said:
i know not all of em are like this buuut, today i said somthing about evolution and somone was like
you know thats just a theory, god created us.
its not i go around tellingg em gods just a theory too
:feelsbadman:




The only people who use that as a legitimate argument are people with very very little education who haven't the slightest idea what theory means in terms of science. Gravity is just a theory. Heliocentrism is just a theory. Something being a theory in no way reduces it's legitimacy as a scientific claim, and even more importantly, none of those things dictate the absence of God.  I don't understand how the fundamentalists can think that Evolution instantly means that God isn't real....



I cant say that all of this is true, Gravity isnt just a theory since it can be duplicated over and over again. I would say that it is pretty much fact (thats why its called the law of gravity not the theory of gravity). Evolution is harder to prove (although I think it's real).

Religion sometimes does blind people though, and it seems like people who are overly religious are more closed minded. So I do agree with you on that.


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Re: any of you believe in god? [Re: Mr. Kite]
    #457694 - 08/10/10 01:28 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

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iStoner said:
i know not all of em are like this buuut, today i said somthing about evolution and somone was like
you know thats just a theory, god created us.
its not i go around tellingg em gods just a theory too
:feelsbadman:




The only people who use that as a legitimate argument are people with very very little education who haven't the slightest idea what theory means in terms of science. Gravity is just a theory. Heliocentrism is just a theory. Something being a theory in no way reduces it's legitimacy as a scientific claim, and even more importantly, none of those things dictate the absence of God.  I don't understand how the fundamentalists can think that Evolution instantly means that God isn't real....



I cant say that all of this is true, Gravity isnt just a theory since it can be duplicated over and over again. I would say that it is pretty much fact (thats why its called the law of gravity not the theory of gravity). Evolution is harder to prove (although I think it's real).

Religion sometimes does blind people though, and it seems like people who are overly religious are more closed minded. So I do agree with you on that.




Gravity is a theory, you're just misinterpreting what the word "theory" means in science.  Just because something can be duplicated over and over does not make it fact in the scientific community. 


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you know what i did in english class? I came to class stoned out of my mind every day, i chugged vodka in the back of class, i put dead fish in the ceiling tiles. i put a gallon of old milk and orange juice in the file cabinet before winter vacation. i brought snakes in a tied up sweater and let them loose during class. i didnt go to school to learn, i went because i had to. i didnt care, and i didn't fucking listen to that stupid bitch. and i still don't fucking care. i tore the pages out of her books and burned them, and threw away all the books in the class, two books per day.  :twobooks:

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Re: any of you believe in god? [Re: THEBats]
    #457697 - 08/10/10 01:32 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

Gravity is scientific law not a theory. There is a difference, I shall post the information soon. Off to google.


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Re: any of you beleive in god? [Re: THEBats]
    #457698 - 08/10/10 01:33 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

I do not believe that jesus or any of the others are our god
and savior but I do believe in a divine creator or creator
consciousness. But I also believe we can be our own gods.
Literally and figuratively.

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Re: any of you believe in god? [Re: THEBats]
    #457701 - 08/10/10 01:34 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

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iStoner said:
i know not all of em are like this buuut, today i said somthing about evolution and somone was like
you know thats just a theory, god created us.
its not i go around tellingg em gods just a theory too
:feelsbadman:




The only people who use that as a legitimate argument are people with very very little education who haven't the slightest idea what theory means in terms of science. Gravity is just a theory. Heliocentrism is just a theory. Something being a theory in no way reduces it's legitimacy as a scientific claim, and even more importantly, none of those things dictate the absence of God.  I don't understand how the fundamentalists can think that Evolution instantly means that God isn't real....



I cant say that all of this is true, Gravity isnt just a theory since it can be duplicated over and over again. I would say that it is pretty much fact (thats why its called the law of gravity not the theory of gravity). Evolution is harder to prove (although I think it's real).

Religion sometimes does blind people though, and it seems like people who are overly religious are more closed minded. So I do agree with you on that.




Gravity is a theory, you're just misinterpreting what the word "theory" means in science.  Just because something can be duplicated over and over does not make it fact in the scientific community. 




Exactly. Also, I'd like to point out that there have been cases where gravity has NOT proven applicable. Such as the acceleration of universal expansion, or the cohesion of our galaxy. If you research into those you'll find that gravity doesn't hold universally constant.


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Re: any of you believe in god? [Re: Harry_Ba11sach]
    #457706 - 08/10/10 01:38 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

On our planet gravity is a law not a theroy, I wasnt talking about space.

It is a law on our planet because it cant be un-proven.

Here is kind of a cool site explaining what I cannot.

http://amasci.com/miscon/myths10.html


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Re: any of you believe in god? [Re: Mr. Kite]
    #457707 - 08/10/10 01:39 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

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Gravity is scientific law not a theory. There is a difference, I shall post the information soon. Off to google.




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Re: any of you believe in god? [Re: Mr. Kite]
    #457708 - 08/10/10 01:39 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

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Gravity is scientific law not a theory. There is a difference, I shall post the information soon. Off to google.




I'll let you take this one harry, as it's not exactly my field of expertise.  I'm a psychologist.  I'd like to point out though, or at least from my understanding, that Newton's law of universal gravitation is meant to encompass not just earth, but the planetary orbits as well.


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you know what i did in english class? I came to class stoned out of my mind every day, i chugged vodka in the back of class, i put dead fish in the ceiling tiles. i put a gallon of old milk and orange juice in the file cabinet before winter vacation. i brought snakes in a tied up sweater and let them loose during class. i didnt go to school to learn, i went because i had to. i didnt care, and i didn't fucking listen to that stupid bitch. and i still don't fucking care. i tore the pages out of her books and burned them, and threw away all the books in the class, two books per day.  :twobooks:

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Re: any of you believe in god? [Re: niteowl]
    #457710 - 08/10/10 01:41 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

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Gravity is scientific law not a theory. There is a difference, I shall post the information soon. Off to google.




The theory of Gravity will always be a theory until we understand how gravity works.



No if we understand how gravity works, then it becomes a fact not a law.


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Re: any of you believe in god? [Re: Mr. Kite]
    #457711 - 08/10/10 01:41 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

You are wrong on so many levels :sorry:


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Re: any of you believe in god? [Re: Mr. Kite]
    #457713 - 08/10/10 01:43 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

Ill throw my 2 cents in,

There is a theory of gravity and there is a fact of gravity.  The fact is the observation, we observe things with mass attracting each other so that is the fact.  The theory is that this happens everywhere (its universal) and it happens in a very specific way (described by mathematics).  In this sense a theory is a bigger deal than a fact.  It takes many, many fact to make a theory (in science). 

Another example is the theory that the earth is round (sphere like).  Yes, in science this is a theory - a theory developed to explain the facts.  Facts like the stars changing with latitude, eclipse has a circular shadow, the Foucault pendulum precesses, and pictures of the earth show it to have a circular cross section.  All of these facts come together to build up the theory that the earth is sphere like.  You can see here how the theory is a bigger deal than the facts.  And its not just a theory that the earth is sphere like - its a scientific theory which means its solidly supported by a host of facts.

Evolution by natural selection is the same way.  Evolution is a fact, we observe species changing over generations.  Biodiversity is also a fact, we observe many different species.  There are many other biochemical facts we observe as well.  Put all these fact together and you can build up the theory that evolution and biodiversity are a product of natural selection.  Natural selection is not just a theory, its a scientific theory which means its solidly supported by a host of facts.

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Re: any of you believe in god? [Re: Mr. Kite]
    #457715 - 08/10/10 01:44 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

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Gravity is scientific law not a theory. There is a difference, I shall post the information soon. Off to google.




The theory of Gravity will always be a theory until we understand how gravity works.



No if we understand how gravity works, then it becomes a fact not a law.




Science doesn't work that way.  It only takes one piece of information to change the way in which we think, interpret gravity as we know it today.  In science we have theories due to this potential of change.


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Re: any of you believe in god? [Re: THEBats]
    #457721 - 08/10/10 01:47 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

Calling things 'laws' in science is really just an historical throwback to when scientific inquiry wasn't as formalized and developed as it is today.  Its really a misnomer to call it a law, as you say calling it a law presupposes that it is correct and no further inquiry is required (which is of course not a scientific way to view things).  But unfortunately we are stuck with certain explanations being labeled as laws, and it confuses non-scientists.  :shrug:

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Re: any of you believe in god? [Re: niteowl]
    #457726 - 08/10/10 01:48 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

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You are wrong on so many levels :sorry:



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Re: any of you believe in god? [Re: THEBats]
    #457737 - 08/10/10 01:56 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

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Gravity is scientific law not a theory. There is a difference, I shall post the information soon. Off to google.




The theory of Gravity will always be a theory until we understand how gravity works.



No if we understand how gravity works, then it becomes a fact not a law.




Science doesn't work that way.  It only takes one piece of information to change the way in which we think, interpret gravity as we know it today.  In science we have theories due to this potential of change.



Alright I'll bite on this one. Thanks for explaining it in a way I can understand. I guess I always grew up thinking gravity was a law :shrug:


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Re: any of you believe in god? [Re: Mr. Kite]
    #457746 - 08/10/10 02:13 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

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On our planet gravity is a law not a theroy, I wasnt talking about space.

It is a law on our planet because it cant be un-proven.

Here is kind of a cool site explaining what I cannot.

http://amasci.com/miscon/myths10.html





So you're saying that our planet isn't considered part of the universe?  I don't think I need to explain to you how incorrect that statement is.


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Re: any of you believe in god? [Re: Harry_Ba11sach]
    #457750 - 08/10/10 02:17 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

You possibly should.


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Re: any of you believe in god? [Re: Mr. Kite]
    #457752 - 08/10/10 02:18 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

Ok, so there's this universe right? It contains all matter that has ever existed or will ever exist. Since our planet is made of matter, it's clearly part of that universe.


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    #457754 - 08/10/10 02:21 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

Shit it all makes sense now.


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    #457755 - 08/10/10 02:23 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

:facepalm:


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Re: any of you believe in god? [Re: Harry_Ba11sach]
    #457757 - 08/10/10 02:27 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

Dont be hatin'


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Re: any of you believe in god? [Re: Mr. Kite]
    #457759 - 08/10/10 02:29 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

try making an intelligent comment :shrug:


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Re: any of you believe in god? [Re: Harry_Ba11sach]
    #457761 - 08/10/10 02:30 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

I'm messing around dude, dont take me so seriously.


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    #457762 - 08/10/10 02:32 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

you were serious until you realized you were out of your league trying to discuss physics theories and universal constants, then you resorted to menial banter to try and pretend like you were just joking all along.

You're not the first person we've seen employ those tactics, sir :wink:


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    #457766 - 08/10/10 02:36 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

:popcorn:


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Re: any of you believe in god? [Re: Harry_Ba11sach]
    #457804 - 08/10/10 03:06 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

:lol:

I'm surprised nobody has pointed out any of the places on earth where gravity works differently.

There are places where shit rolls up hill (although I think people say it's because of magnetism, it's still a fun thing to say).

Although since I'm not familiar with the location I'm talking about, I'm going to stop this pointless rabble.


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    #457812 - 08/10/10 03:14 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

Before Jesus gravity never existed.  After his death the gravity of the situation came to light and ever since then apples have been falling on peoples heads.

Gravity is also the reason why Mr. Kite getting dropped by his mother has affected him so.

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    #457848 - 08/10/10 04:11 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

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Before Jesus gravity never existed.  After his death the gravity of the situation came to light and ever since then apples have been falling on peoples heads.

Gravity is also the reason why Mr. Kite getting dropped by his mother has affected him so.



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    #457849 - 08/10/10 04:16 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

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Before Jesus gravity never existed.  After his death the gravity of the situation came to light and ever since then apples have been falling on peoples heads.

Gravity is also the reason why Mr. Kite getting dropped by his mother has affected him so.




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    #457862 - 08/10/10 04:46 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

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You are by far one of the stupidest people I've ever tried to talk to. You make nonsense points about concepts you clearly have zero comprehension for, and then lack even the slightest bit of intelligent rebuttal when your points are logically dismissed.  You're gonna have to make a serious turnaround in the quality of your posts if you want me to change this




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Re: any of you beleive in god? [Re: Mr. Kite]
    #457893 - 08/10/10 05:54 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

It's hard to believe in something you know nothing about and can't even comprehend.  The traditional view of God is a crazy one.  I remain agnostic.  There's a good quote from 'what the bleep do we know' that goes like this, "Asking me about God is like asking a fish to describe the water in which it swims."  seems pretty accurate.  Ideas like intelligent design are hilarious.  Putting those ideas next to evolution in a fucking SCIENCE class is not.

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after having read this thread it's good to see that a few of you (as I would expect from you) brought up the concept of what a theory really is.  Some of us here be edumacated.  :bigblunt:


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Re: any of you beleive in god? [Re: FurrowedBrow]
    #457896 - 08/10/10 05:57 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

What is intelligent design? Sorry I'm drunk if that helps.


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Re: any of you beleive in god? [Re: Mr. Kite]
    #457899 - 08/10/10 05:59 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

The idea that shit is basically too complex to understand so God (an intelligent designer) created it.  It's creationism 2.0.  It's an insult to science.  People who argue for it don't understand the concept of scientific theory. 


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    #457901 - 08/10/10 06:06 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

Thanks for explaining, I've never heard of that before. But I would like to argue the point that god maybe does exist in the form that is in the bible. I mean really who knows. My guess is as good as any. Although I dont think "god" exists in this form. I would like to say no one really knows.


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    #457903 - 08/10/10 06:10 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

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You are by far one of the stupidest people I've ever tried to talk to. You make nonsense points about concepts you clearly have zero comprehension for, and then lack even the slightest bit of intelligent rebuttal when your points are logically dismissed.  You're gonna have to make a serious turnaround in the quality of your posts if you want me to change this




:rofl2:

Someone takes life a little too serious I see.




Nah really I just wanted to let everyone know how dumb you are. Quite frankly I would have been perfectly content just posting a scat picture there, but thanks to a recent certain someone we're now required to explain ourselves in the ratings we leave. So there you have it, and explanation


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    #457904 - 08/10/10 06:11 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

Dude I dont know why you have such a bad attitude towards me, I even admitted to being wrong. I'm trying to let it go.....Lets move on.


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    #457907 - 08/10/10 06:14 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

It's funny to me that you were making the arguments you were in the page prior, yet have never heard about ID.  You also just described the agnostic beliefs.  I have no problem admitting to my gaps in knowledge.  This is the biggest gap in knowledge that anyone can have.  Yet people so adamantly believe in the craziest shit to fill that void.  Rather than just saying, "idk what the fuck this world is all about, but it's fucking awesome!"  I'd rather live my life to the latter philosophy.


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    #457908 - 08/10/10 06:14 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

because I'm about 99% sure you live in Iowa and love pizza


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    #457910 - 08/10/10 06:15 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

you should edit that HB.  and please let's keep this on topic guys.  it's an interesting one i think.


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    #457916 - 08/10/10 06:23 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

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People who argue for it don't understand the concept of scientific theory. 




I dont know about that. I dont see how one should cancel the other
out. Why can there not be both? I mean are we not trying to find the
answers to that now??

Like our bodies and planets and stars are made up of infinitely
small particles. We know what the particles are and everything but
we still do not know why they are clumped together and how.

I just think they are interrelated sometimes. Interrelated might not be
the word im looking for but whatever.

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    #457918 - 08/10/10 06:25 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

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because I'm about 99% sure you live in Iowa and love pizza



I do love pizza, especially pepperoni but I dont live in Iowa. Close to Iowa though. We have MM here, and I dont believe Iowa does.


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    #457919 - 08/10/10 06:26 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

Let me rephrase it then.  People that use the argument that evolution is only a theory and not some absolute, don't understand the concept of scientific theory.  Those particles you just described also contain infinite universes but that's another thread.


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    #457922 - 08/10/10 06:28 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

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Those particles you just described also contain infinite universes but that's another thread.



and a bout what you said earlier FB, i wish people would accept the fact they have no idea whats going on. Ive always thought that i have no idea, even though ive always had theories about what could be going on in the universe.


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    #457924 - 08/10/10 06:30 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

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Let me rephrase it then.  People that use the argument that evolution is only a theory and not some absolute, don't understand the concept of scientific theory.  Those particles you just described also contain infinite universes but that's another thread.




Right, and yes another thread indeed. A mind blowing thread at that

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    #457926 - 08/10/10 06:33 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

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    #457929 - 08/10/10 06:35 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

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link?




Hmmmm, there are a few of them here and a few at the shroomery.  One of them was in the smoke lounge and fairly recently.  I'll see if i can find it.  if not i'll just post it again using different words.

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https://www.growery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/346618#346618

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Na, you've got a bunch too i see. 

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I really feel as if there are an infinite number of realities out there (in the cosmos and in the quantum).  Somewhere there is a plant where coaster is the leader of the world.  In that world the people live with dinosaurs that never went extinct.  Everything that can happen is happening or will happen or has happened.  and we are all one.  I like to take this kind of dimensional thinking as it can really free your mind to think outside the box.  that's what its all about imo.




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I made several connections that reaffirmed a belief i have.  I'll talk about that later.





please explain




"We know that we are all one. We are unimaginably complex carbon based life forms that have evolved all the way from single cell organisms over billions of years. I don't consider that to be debatable. I think that at the heart of my beliefs is the concept of the infinite. I will never believe anyone who tells me they understand this concept. Without going into too much detail the idea is this - everything is infinite. Our current technology only lets us see an unbelievably small fraction of what exists.  We (or at least the media) tends to focus on outer space as being the most wondrous aspect of reality. Why is this? Probably because it's something we see every night as we look up at the stars. What if we looked down into ourselves, into the atoms of ourselves and see the same wondrous sights - the infinite. I think that infinity goes both ways - large and small. We only perceive things that are relative to our own size.  It's hard to imagine an entire universe inside of a single atom, especially since none of us really know how small an atom is. This also has to do with time. Time is a function of size. Obviously for the people that exist inside the Earth of the universe inside of an atom their time would flow the same to them as it does for us. But the more and more I learn about string theory and M theory this is what I have come to believe. The goal of physics is to unveil a unifying theory of everything (as i understand it). One theory that tells us everything about existence.

OK, so imagine that every atom in the Universe contains an infinite number of universes within itself, with an infinite number of earths that have all unfolded in different ways. That would imply that there are an infinite number of parallel dimensions that exist all around us. So, imagine a world were dinosaurs and people have learned to coexist. Or a world where the person you hate most is President and ruler of the entire unified Earth. Or even a reality where humans have discovered how to travel through time. I think that this kind of world view really frees up the mind to think creatively. I will admit that it's kind of out there stuff and I am far from firm in this belief as i myself have developed nothing to back any of this up. I'm open to all criticism and ideas to further this understanding. Let's engage."

That was a rant I went on a while back on another site.  That was my belief then and now.  The mandelbrot set shows that this is true, somewhat.  Each level of the set is a different dimension (maybe there's a better word).  It's all dependent upon the size of the observer.  Watch those videos with that kind of a reality in mind.




theres a couple for the OP.





Fractals!

https://www.growery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/453545#453545

https://www.growery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/420602#420602

https://www.growery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/332492#332492

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Re: any of you beleive in god? [Re: FurrowedBrow]
    #457989 - 08/10/10 08:41 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

Einstein and I share the same view on god. I decided my view and then I found that it was a belief that Einstein held called Spinoza's God.


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“The fairest thing we can experience is the mysterious. It is the fundamental emotion which stands at the cradle of true art and true science. He who knows it not and can no longer wonder, no longer feel amazement, is as good as dead, a snuffed-out candle. It was the experience of mystery — even if mixed with fear — that engendered religion. A knowledge of the existence of something we cannot penetrate, of the manifestations of the profoundest reason and the most radiant beauty, which are only accessible to our reason in their most elementary forms-it is this knowledge and this emotion that constitute the truly religious attitude; in this sense, and in this alone, I am a deeply religious man. I cannot conceive of a God who rewards and punishes his creatures, or has a will of the type of which we are conscious in ourselves. An individual who should survive his physical death is also beyond my comprehension, nor do I wish it otherwise; such notions are for the fears or absurd egoism of feeble souls. Enough for me the mystery of the eternity of life, and the inkling of the marvellous structure of reality, together with the single-hearted endeavour to comprehend a portion, be it never so tiny, of the reason that manifests itself in nature.”


“It seems to me that the idea of a personal God is an anthropological concept which I cannot take seriously. I feel also not able to imagine some will or goal outside the human sphere. My views are near those of Spinoza: admiration for the beauty of and belief in the logical simplicity of the order which we can grasp humbly and only imperfectly. I believe that we have to content ourselves with our imperfect knowledge and understanding and treat values and moral obligations as a purely human problem—the most important of all human problems.”

“I cannot conceive of a personal God who would directly influence the actions of individuals, or would directly sit in judgment on creatures of his own creation. I cannot do this in spite of the fact that mechanistic causality has, to a certain extent, been placed in doubt by modern science. [He was speaking of Quantum Mechanics and the breaking down of determinism.] My religiosity consists in a humble admiration of the infinitely superior spirit that reveals itself in the little that we, with our weak and transitory understanding, can comprehend of reality. Morality is of the highest importance — but for us, not for God.”


“The finest emotion of which we are capable is the mystic emotion. Herein lies the germ of all art and all true science. Anyone to whom this feeling is alien, who is no longer capable of wonderment and lives in a state of fear is a dead man. To know that what is impenatrable for us really exists and manifests itself as the highest wisdom and the most radiant beauty, whose gross forms alone are intelligible to our poor faculties – this knowledge, this feeling … that is the core of the true religious sentiment. In this sense, and in this sense alone, I rank myself amoung profoundly religious men.”

"I believe in Spinoza's God who reveals himself in the orderly harmony of what exists, not in a God who concerns himself with fates and actions of human beings." Upon being asked if he believed in God by Rabbi Herbert Goldstein of the Institutional Synagogue, New York, April 24, 1921, Einstein: The Life and Times, Ronald W. Clark, Page 502.








Except I believe that one of the most best ways to experience "god" and the harmony of nature is through certain drugs. :feelsgoodman:


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    #458124 - 08/11/10 01:07 AM (13 years, 7 months ago)

'The most merciful thing in the world, I think, is the inability of the human mind to correlate all its contents. We live on a placid island of ignorance in the midst of black seas of infinity, and it was not meant that we should voyage far. The sciences, each straining in its own direction, have hitherto harmed us little; but some day the piecing together of dissociated knowledge will open up such terrifying vistas of reality, and of our frightful position therein, that we shall either go mad from the revelation or flee from the light into the peace and safety of a new dark age.'

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Re: any of you beleive in god? [Re: derelict]
    #458129 - 08/11/10 01:51 AM (13 years, 7 months ago)

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'The most merciful thing in the world, I think, is the inability of the human mind to correlate all its contents. We live on a placid island of ignorance in the midst of black seas of infinity, and it was not meant that we should voyage far. The sciences, each straining in its own direction, have hitherto harmed us little; but some day the piecing together of dissociated knowledge will open up such terrifying vistas of reality, and of our frightful position therein, that we shall either go mad from the revelation or flee from the light into the peace and safety of a new dark age.'

H.P. Lovecraft.



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Re: any of you beleive in god? [Re: Kilroy]
    #458142 - 08/11/10 06:43 AM (13 years, 7 months ago)

I will admit I do beleive in some form of divinity honestly.

You can't prove it wrong, you can't prove it right. You just have faith in it.

Mostly I'd probably relate to agnosticism though. I accept the fact that I won't know the truth about the divine until I do, and I'm not exactly in a hurry.


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Re: any of you beleive in god? [Re: Thebooedocksaint]
    #458148 - 08/11/10 08:06 AM (13 years, 7 months ago)

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I will admit I do beleive in some form of divinity honestly.

You can't prove it wrong, you can't prove it right. You just have faith in it.

Mostly I'd probably relate to agnosticism though. I accept the fact that I won't know the truth about the divine until I do, and I'm not exactly in a hurry.



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Re: any of you beleive in god? [Re: derelict]
    #458194 - 08/11/10 11:18 AM (13 years, 7 months ago)

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'The most merciful thing in the world, I think, is the inability of the human mind to correlate all its contents. We live on a placid island of ignorance in the midst of black seas of infinity, and it was not meant that we should voyage far. The sciences, each straining in its own direction, have hitherto harmed us little; but some day the piecing together of dissociated knowledge will open up such terrifying vistas of reality, and of our frightful position therein, that we shall either go mad from the revelation or flee from the light into the peace and safety of a new dark age.'

H.P. Lovecraft.



I am loving it.


I guess my beliefs could be summed up like this.

I believe in the divine, whatever that may be. Psychedelics, some other drugs, and certain activities can allow us to open our eyes to the divine. In the end we know nothing, so just live happily in the divine light while you can. :flowerchild::aum:


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Re: any of you beleive in god? [Re: FRACTALife]
    #459041 - 08/12/10 07:46 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

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derelict said:
'The most merciful thing in the world, I think, is the inability of the human mind to correlate all its contents. We live on a placid island of ignorance in the midst of black seas of infinity, and it was not meant that we should voyage far. The sciences, each straining in its own direction, have hitherto harmed us little; but some day the piecing together of dissociated knowledge will open up such terrifying vistas of reality, and of our frightful position therein, that we shall either go mad from the revelation or flee from the light into the peace and safety of a new dark age.'

H.P. Lovecraft.



I am loving it.


I guess my beliefs could be summed up like this.

I believe in the divine, whatever that may be. Psychedelics, some other drugs, and certain activities can allow us to open our eyes to the divine. In the end we know nothing, so just live happily in the divine light while you can. :flowerchild::aum:





Perfectly summed up fractal. From the same story the couplets:
"that is not dead which can
eternal lie.
And with strange aeons even
Death may die"

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Re: any of you beleive in god? [Re: derelict]
    #460119 - 08/14/10 02:17 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

"there is no theory of evolution, just the animals that chuck norris allows to live"

haha

but i believe in the Lord because i have witnessed too many miracles and my life is too blessed to have it in any way be logical to not believe that he is the almighty. even through the hurt he gives me strength.

im not preaching....dont think i am, because i dont like people who press their beliefs onto others, just my :2cents: and personal experience :smile:


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Re: any of you beleive in god? [Re: iStoner]
    #460151 - 08/14/10 03:21 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

I believe in god, Allah is the name for those who care.
If there was no god, who on earth created the ganja, I really do not believe in evolution, it is just a theory which has never been proven whereas the divinities and miracles and proofs in revelations have been proven and conclusions have been drawn by certain scientists that some things could only be explained by a supreme power or god.

Evolution is bullshit, thats why I am not fearing the day my ganja plants decide to produce roses instead of buds, because it will never happen.

Life is sweet with green, thank you god for creating it and creating us to consume, experience and love it.

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Re: any of you beleive in god? [Re: alsheating]
    #460154 - 08/14/10 03:26 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

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I believe in god, Allah is the name for those who care.
If there was no god, who on earth created the ganja, I really do not believe in evolution, it is just a theory which has never been proven whereas the divinities and miracles and proofs in revelations have been proven and conclusions have been drawn by certain scientists that some things could only be explained by a supreme power or god.

Evolution is bullshit, thats why I am not fearing the day my ganja plants decide to produce roses instead of buds, because it will never happen.

Life is sweet with green, thank you god for creating it and creating us to consume, experience and love it.

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Re: any of you beleive in god? [Re: alsheating]
    #460157 - 08/14/10 03:31 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

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I believe in god, Allah is the name for those who care.
If there was no god, who on earth created the ganja, I really do not believe in evolution, it is just a theory which has never been proven whereas the divinities and miracles and proofs in revelations have been proven and conclusions have been drawn by certain scientists that some things could only be explained by a supreme power or god.

Evolution is bullshit, thats why I am not fearing the day my ganja plants decide to produce roses instead of buds, because it will never happen.

Life is sweet with green, thank you god for creating it and creating us to consume, experience and love it.

sweet




evolution doesn't just exist in our past.  Your cannabis plants wont start producing the traits of a rose because it's not being forced to incorporate that into its own growth, life cycle after life cycle.  The hybridization of cannabis is proof enough that evolution is real.  I think the point you are getting at is the origin of life, rather than the day-to-day of the concept of evolution.  ??


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Re: any of you beleive in god? [Re: alsheating]
    #460166 - 08/14/10 03:54 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

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I believe in god, Allah is the name for those who care.
If there was no god, who on earth created the ganja, I really do not believe in evolution, it is just a theory which has never been proven whereas the divinities and miracles and proofs in revelations have been proven and conclusions have been drawn by certain scientists that some things could only be explained by a supreme power or god.

Evolution is bullshit, thats why I am not fearing the day my ganja plants decide to produce roses instead of buds, because it will never happen.

Life is sweet with green, thank you god for creating it and creating us to consume, experience and love it.

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Wow, you don't have the slightest fucking clue what you're talking about do you?


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Re: any of you beleive in god? [Re: Harry_Ba11sach]
    #460169 - 08/14/10 04:02 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

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alsheating said:
I believe in god, Allah is the name for those who care.
If there was no god, who on earth created the ganja, I really do not believe in evolution, it is just a theory which has never been proven whereas the divinities and miracles and proofs in revelations have been proven and conclusions have been drawn by certain scientists that some things could only be explained by a supreme power or god.

Evolution is bullshit, thats why I am not fearing the day my ganja plants decide to produce roses instead of buds, because it will never happen.

Life is sweet with green, thank you god for creating it and creating us to consume, experience and love it.

sweet




Wow, you don't have the slightest fucking clue what you're talking about do you?




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Re: any of you beleive in god? [Re: THEBats]
    #460195 - 08/14/10 04:48 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

:notards:


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    #460318 - 08/14/10 08:50 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

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"there is no theory of evolution, just the animals that chuck norris allows to live"

haha

but i believe in the Lord because i have witnessed too many miracles and my life is too blessed to have it in any way be logical to not believe that he is the almighty. even through the hurt he gives me strength.

im not preaching....dont think i am, because i dont like people who press their beliefs onto others, just my :2cents: and personal experience :smile:





I don't like the "i have witnessed too many miracles and my life is too blessed to have it in any way be logical to not believe that he is the almighty" line.

Multiple universes probably exist and we are just one that got lucky and had hydrogen bond together to create sun and multiple cosmic events occur so that life could exist.

We achieved 1/10000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 chance that life could exist in this beautiful place.

Having a good life filled with "mircales" is no reason to believe in god.

Is god, "he", a pathological being? I don't think I could worship anything with an ego.

God is existence, life, nature and beauty. The all flowing love of cosmic energy that we are all made of! I will stick to that!


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Re: any of you beleive in god? [Re: FRACTALife]
    #460337 - 08/14/10 09:20 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

i dont like that line either. becuase what about the fucked up things that happen in other peoples lives? does god just hate them and love you or something.
its a pathetic exuse :nonono:
and you cant say because the world is made perfect for us either, if the world was made perfect for us there would be no natural disasters or anything.


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Re: any of you beleive in god? [Re: iStoner]
    #460346 - 08/14/10 09:29 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

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i dont like that line either. becuase what about the fucked up things that happen in other peoples lives? does god just hate them and love you or something.
its a pathetic exuse :nonono:
and you cant say because the world is made perfect for us either, if the world was made perfect for us there would be no natural disasters or anything.



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Re: any of you beleive in god? [Re: Kilroy]
    #460469 - 08/15/10 12:15 AM (13 years, 7 months ago)

like i said, just my personal experience. everything bad that happens is for a reason and a learning experience. i think that if you have only ever had wonderful things happen to you, you would not be able to truly appreciate the good things that happen to you. i believe that God doesn't like seeing us in pain and seeing bad things happen, but he understands more then we can possibly imagine and he sees the good that will come out of that experience down the road. :shrug::2cents:


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Re: any of you beleive in god? [Re: A Girl]
    #460480 - 08/15/10 01:13 AM (13 years, 7 months ago)

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like i said, just my personal experience. everything bad that happens is for a reason and a learning experience. i think that if you have only ever had wonderful things happen to you, you would not be able to truly appreciate the good things that happen to you. i believe that God doesn't like seeing us in pain and seeing bad things happen, but he understands more then we can possibly imagine and he sees the good that will come out of that experience down the road. :shrug::2cents:




Not everything happens for "a reason". Everything has cause and effect, and sometimes it turns out awesome.

You are entitled to your opinion, just as we are entitled to point out the flawed logic.
Logic is what you are missing, you should believe whatever you want, but just admit when logic is not on your side.


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Re: any of you beleive in god? [Re: FRACTALife]
    #460507 - 08/15/10 06:28 AM (13 years, 7 months ago)

I'd like to take this 10 seconds out of my worthless life to LOL at this thread! good day!


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    #460538 - 08/15/10 09:32 AM (13 years, 7 months ago)

Ummm.. the key word in this thread title is "believe"..
Too much science and thinking and logic going on here. Either you believe or you don't..

faith  (fth)
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1. Confident belief in the truth, value, or trustworthiness of a person, idea, or thing.
2. Belief that does not rest on logical proof or material evidence. See Synonyms at belief, trust.

If we're speaking of absolutes and facts, then we should all classify ourselves as agnostic, because none of us has ever actually seen or talked to God( without chemical assistance lol)
As for me, yes I do believe in God..say what you like, but I have to hope for something better than this life, and if I display some virtues along the way,even if I'm wrong, it's much better for my fellow humans, right?


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Re: any of you beleive in god? [Re: King Koopa]
    #460539 - 08/15/10 09:37 AM (13 years, 7 months ago)

Yeah, God's great and he 'doesn't like seeing us in pain', but is SOOO damned judgmental that after I lose my life he will cast me to an eternity of hell if i don't believe or repent!?  come on...


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    #460544 - 08/15/10 09:51 AM (13 years, 7 months ago)

I never said it was fair.. but that's why we have free will.. life is all about choices.. as for judgemental people, I've experienced the same from non-believers for disobeying the laws of logic.. we're all human, and flawed..


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Re: any of you beleive in god? [Re: Hendershot]
    #460550 - 08/15/10 10:01 AM (13 years, 7 months ago)

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Too much science and thinking and logic going on here.





Some people can't do that. And some people believe in God.


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Re: any of you beleive in god? [Re: King Koopa]
    #460571 - 08/15/10 10:26 AM (13 years, 7 months ago)

NUCLEOSTELLAR SYNTHESIS IS GOD

IT CREATED THE ELEMENTS WHICH CREATE YOU


CAPS LOCK IS ALSO MADE OF STARS


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Re: any of you beleive in god? [Re: Harlz]
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NUCLEOSTELLAR SYNTHESIS IS GOD

IT CREATED THE ELEMENTS WHICH CREATE YOU


CAPS LOCK IS ALSO MADE OF STARS


:awehigh:



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    #460618 - 08/15/10 11:43 AM (13 years, 7 months ago)

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    #460796 - 08/15/10 04:02 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

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I never said it was fair.. but that's why we have free will.. life is all about choices.. as for judgemental people, I've experienced the same from non-believers for disobeying the laws of logic.. we're all human, and flawed..




Why would you believe in an unfair God?


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you know what i did in english class? I came to class stoned out of my mind every day, i chugged vodka in the back of class, i put dead fish in the ceiling tiles. i put a gallon of old milk and orange juice in the file cabinet before winter vacation. i brought snakes in a tied up sweater and let them loose during class. i didnt go to school to learn, i went because i had to. i didnt care, and i didn't fucking listen to that stupid bitch. and i still don't fucking care. i tore the pages out of her books and burned them, and threw away all the books in the class, two books per day.  :twobooks:

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Re: any of you beleive in god? [Re: THEBats]
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Hendershot said:
I never said it was fair.. but that's why we have free will.. life is all about choices.. as for judgemental people, I've experienced the same from non-believers for disobeying the laws of logic.. we're all human, and flawed..




Why would you believe in an unfair God?




Some people would say its not for us to understand :lol:

If there is a god it doesnt give a fuck what we do. We are here
and we are going to live out this experience one way or another in
one form or another. No heaven nor hell. Maybe a personal heaven or hell but I believe that will be up to us to decide.

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Re: any of you beleive in god? [Re: DeadHearts]
    #460802 - 08/15/10 04:10 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

That's what I was getting at.  People have a reason for every choice they make, a reason that God, if he existed as he is described by Judea-Christian philosophy, would understand.  People aren't born evil, they are made that way through life experience.


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you know what i did in english class? I came to class stoned out of my mind every day, i chugged vodka in the back of class, i put dead fish in the ceiling tiles. i put a gallon of old milk and orange juice in the file cabinet before winter vacation. i brought snakes in a tied up sweater and let them loose during class. i didnt go to school to learn, i went because i had to. i didnt care, and i didn't fucking listen to that stupid bitch. and i still don't fucking care. i tore the pages out of her books and burned them, and threw away all the books in the class, two books per day.  :twobooks:

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Re: any of you beleive in god? [Re: THEBats]
    #460805 - 08/15/10 04:17 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

Heaven / Hell / good / bad / yadda yadda yadda


Know what dead is? Know those nights when you don't have any dreams just go to bed, darkness then wake up. Well dead is not waking up from one of those nights. We can put all the imaginary bullshit we want on it but dead is dead. :getstoned:


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Re: any of you beleive in god? [Re: Magash]
    #460812 - 08/15/10 04:22 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

Quote:

Magash said:
Heaven / Hell / good / bad / yadda yadda yadda


Know what dead is? Know those nights when you don't have any dreams just go to bed, darkness then wake up. Well dead is not waking up from one of those nights. We can put all the imaginary bullshit we want on it but dead is dead. :getstoned:




Well if that is the case then its doesnt matter anyways.
But there is no doubt in my mind there is something more than
meets the eye besides dead is dead.

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Re: any of you beleive in god? [Re: DeadHearts]
    #460822 - 08/15/10 04:41 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

This argument and thread will go on forever...:popcorn:

You believe what you believe, I believe what I believe.  Leave it at that.  No need for the violence man :peace:


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    #460824 - 08/15/10 04:47 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

That's what I hate about most folks.. arrogance and ego..I have never met God, but I BELIEVE. I don't need proof, that's the very essence of faith- trust.
Magash you know a shitload about cultivating, because you have done it over and over, and I respect that- but how many times have you died?
For you- for anyone to say they KNOW what lies beyond, is the apex of egocentricity, and chances are they're scared shitless of death and beyond.
I can't say I know for a fact where we go when we die, but I'm not arrogant enough to do that. I don't push my beliefs onto anyone, but it is MY belief, and my choice.


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    #460827 - 08/15/10 04:58 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

Quote:

FarBeyondDriven said:
This argument and thread will go on forever...:popcorn:

You believe what you believe, I believe what I believe.  Leave it at that.  No need for the violence man :peace:




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    #460828 - 08/15/10 04:59 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

I'm right and everyone else is wrong :kingcrankey:


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    #460830 - 08/15/10 05:01 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

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FarBeyondDriven said:
This argument and thread will go on forever...:popcorn:

You believe what you believe, I believe what I believe.  Leave it at that.  No need for the violence man :peace:




wheres the violence??

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I'm right and everyone else is wrong :kingcrankey:



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Re: any of you beleive in god? [Re: Hendershot]
    #460833 - 08/15/10 05:08 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

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Hendershot said:
That's what I hate about most folks.. arrogance and ego..I have never met God, but I BELIEVE. I don't need proof, that's the very essence of faith- trust.
I can't say I know for a fact where we go when we die, but I'm not arrogant enough to do that. I don't push my beliefs onto anyone, but it is MY belief, and my choice.



thats excatly right hendershot. i totally agree and i suppose that is what i was trying to say....you just have better words lol


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Re: any of you beleive in god? [Re: DeadHearts]
    #460836 - 08/15/10 05:15 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

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DeadHearts said:
Quote:

FarBeyondDriven said:
This argument and thread will go on forever...:popcorn:

You believe what you believe, I believe what I believe.  Leave it at that.  No need for the violence man :peace:




wheres the violence??




Not in this thread :facepalm:


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    #460837 - 08/15/10 05:16 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

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FarBeyondDriven said:
Quote:

DeadHearts said:
Quote:

FarBeyondDriven said:
This argument and thread will go on forever...:popcorn:

You believe what you believe, I believe what I believe.  Leave it at that.  No need for the violence man :peace:




wheres the violence??




Not in this thread :facepalm:




lol you made it sound like people were getting pissed and what not :facepalm:

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Re: any of you beleive in god? [Re: DeadHearts]
    #460838 - 08/15/10 05:18 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

.......:facepalm::nonono:

We need a grem for facepalm/ temple rub.  Kinda like the guy in Richie Rich who was like "clockwise, clockwise" while the hot chick was rubbin his head.

You're making my head hurt DeadHearts :facepalm:


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    #460839 - 08/15/10 05:19 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

We should call it :FBD: cuz you seem to use it the most.


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Re: any of you beleive in god? [Re: Hendershot]
    #460840 - 08/15/10 05:20 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

Quote:

Hendershot said:
That's what I hate about most folks.. arrogance and ego..I have never met God, but I BELIEVE. I don't need proof, that's the very essence of faith- trust.
Magash you know a shitload about cultivating, because you have done it over and over, and I respect that- but how many times have you died?
For you- for anyone to say they KNOW what lies beyond, is the apex of egocentricity, and chances are they're scared shitless of death and beyond.
I can't say I know for a fact where we go when we die, but I'm not arrogant enough to do that. I don't push my beliefs onto anyone, but it is MY belief, and my choice.




I disagree on this. There seems to be an incredible amount of people
who claim to have out of body experiences and others phenomenon that
its becoming hard to ignore. Some people have even claimed that they
have seen family members takings in the other room of the hospital
after they had "died" and then telling the same family members what they said
and the family was amazed as to how it was possible.

Obviously this kind of thing will continue to be seen as speculation
because this is not something that can be proven but for me it just makes no sense that we have this life, this experience just to die
and have nothing to move on to after? Doesnt make any sense to me.

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Re: any of you beleive in god? [Re: FarBeyondDriven]
    #460842 - 08/15/10 05:21 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

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FarBeyondDriven said:
.......:facepalm::nonono:

We need a grem for facepalm/ temple rub.  Kinda like the guy in Richie Rich who was like "clockwise, clockwise" while the hot chick was rubbin his head.

You're making my head hurt DeadHearts :facepalm:




I think you should settle down. How am I frustrating you??
I mean I did mock ur facepalm but for good reason as it was not
necessary whatsoever and somewhat rude.

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Re: any of you beleive in god? [Re: Mr. Kite]
    #460843 - 08/15/10 05:22 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

There's a lot to :facepalm: around here


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Re: any of you beleive in god? [Re: A Girl]
    #460844 - 08/15/10 05:25 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

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A Girl said:
Quote:

Hendershot said:
That's what I hate about most folks.. arrogance and ego..I have never met God, but I BELIEVE. I don't need proof, that's the very essence of faith- trust.
Magash you know a shitload about cultivating, because you have done it over and over, and I respect that- but how many times have you died?
For you- for anyone to say they KNOW what lies beyond, is the apex of egocentricity, and chances are they're scared shitless of death and beyond.
I can't say I know for a fact where we go when we die, but I'm not arrogant enough to do that. I don't push my beliefs onto anyone, but it is MY belief, and my choice.



thats excatly right hendershot. i totally agree and i suppose that is what i was trying to say....you just have better words lol





can we stop this. It's a choice. A belief. Earlier he said to get rid of logic, thinking, and reason to be able to understand. :confused: The only christians defending their belief is defending their belief in a supernatural being by saying "just do it".

To all believers in the thread, we're not surprised. Now let's get back to an intelligent argument about religion

kthanx


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Re: any of you beleive in god? [Re: King Koopa]
    #460846 - 08/15/10 05:27 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

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King Koopa said:
Quote:

A Girl said:
Quote:

Hendershot said:
That's what I hate about most folks.. arrogance and ego..I have never met God, but I BELIEVE. I don't need proof, that's the very essence of faith- trust.
Magash you know a shitload about cultivating, because you have done it over and over, and I respect that- but how many times have you died?
For you- for anyone to say they KNOW what lies beyond, is the apex of egocentricity, and chances are they're scared shitless of death and beyond.
I can't say I know for a fact where we go when we die, but I'm not arrogant enough to do that. I don't push my beliefs onto anyone, but it is MY belief, and my choice.



thats excatly right hendershot. i totally agree and i suppose that is what i was trying to say....you just have better words lol





can we stop this. It's a choice. A belief. Earlier he said to get rid of logic, thinking, and reason to be able to understand. :confused: The only christians defending their belief is defending their belief in a supernatural being by saying "just do it".

To all believers in the thread, we're not surprised. Now let's back to an intelligent argument about religion

kthanx




Actually this thread is not about religion but about GOD.
However we do not have to tie religion into this. I believe there
is a universal consciousness that you could call god but definitely
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Re: any of you beleive in god? [Re: DeadHearts]
    #460847 - 08/15/10 05:30 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

Your individual set of beliefs about God is still a form of religion so the point of not bringing religion into a discussion about God is quite moot.


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you know what i did in english class? I came to class stoned out of my mind every day, i chugged vodka in the back of class, i put dead fish in the ceiling tiles. i put a gallon of old milk and orange juice in the file cabinet before winter vacation. i brought snakes in a tied up sweater and let them loose during class. i didnt go to school to learn, i went because i had to. i didnt care, and i didn't fucking listen to that stupid bitch. and i still don't fucking care. i tore the pages out of her books and burned them, and threw away all the books in the class, two books per day.  :twobooks:

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Re: any of you beleive in god? [Re: DeadHearts]
    #460848 - 08/15/10 05:32 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

Oh shit you're right. But Hender and a girl were definitely talking about religion.

ain't there a word for the that: god without religion? I'm not to bright on the subject but I enough to call what you're talking about bullshit.

A certain "religion" has to be tied with the word god, be that your own religion or someone else's.

maybe you could enlighten me


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Re: any of you beleive in god? [Re: THEBats]
    #460849 - 08/15/10 05:32 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

I am god.:retawed:


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Re: any of you beleive in god? [Re: DeadHearts]
    #460850 - 08/15/10 05:33 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

Quote:

DeadHearts said:
Quote:

Hendershot said:
That's what I hate about most folks.. arrogance and ego..I have never met God, but I BELIEVE. I don't need proof, that's the very essence of faith- trust.
Magash you know a shitload about cultivating, because you have done it over and over, and I respect that- but how many times have you died?
For you- for anyone to say they KNOW what lies beyond, is the apex of egocentricity, and chances are they're scared shitless of death and beyond.
I can't say I know for a fact where we go when we die, but I'm not arrogant enough to do that. I don't push my beliefs onto anyone, but it is MY belief, and my choice.




I disagree on this. There seems to be an incredible amount of people
who claim to have out of body experiences and others phenomenon that
its becoming hard to ignore. Some people have even claimed that they
have seen family members takings in the other room of the hospital
after they had "died" and then telling the same family members what they said
and the family was amazed as to how it was possible.

Obviously this kind of thing will continue to be seen as speculation
because this is not something that can be proven but for me it just makes no sense that we have this life, this experience just to die
and have nothing to move on to after? Doesnt make any sense to me.




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you know what i did in english class? I came to class stoned out of my mind every day, i chugged vodka in the back of class, i put dead fish in the ceiling tiles. i put a gallon of old milk and orange juice in the file cabinet before winter vacation. i brought snakes in a tied up sweater and let them loose during class. i didnt go to school to learn, i went because i had to. i didnt care, and i didn't fucking listen to that stupid bitch. and i still don't fucking care. i tore the pages out of her books and burned them, and threw away all the books in the class, two books per day.  :twobooks:

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Re: any of you beleive in god? [Re: THEBats]
    #460851 - 08/15/10 05:33 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

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Your individual set of beliefs about God is still a form of religion so the point of not bringing religion into a discussion about God is quite moot.




I had no idea bats knew anything outside of the drug culture philosophies. :stoned:


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Re: any of you beleive in god? [Re: King Koopa]
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King Koopa said:
Quote:

THEBats said:
Your individual set of beliefs about God is still a form of religion so the point of not bringing religion into a discussion about God is quite moot.




I had no idea bats knew anything outside of the drug culture philosophies. :stoned:




If only you knew. :stoned:


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you know what i did in english class? I came to class stoned out of my mind every day, i chugged vodka in the back of class, i put dead fish in the ceiling tiles. i put a gallon of old milk and orange juice in the file cabinet before winter vacation. i brought snakes in a tied up sweater and let them loose during class. i didnt go to school to learn, i went because i had to. i didnt care, and i didn't fucking listen to that stupid bitch. and i still don't fucking care. i tore the pages out of her books and burned them, and threw away all the books in the class, two books per day.  :twobooks:

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Re: any of you believe in god? [Re: THEBats]
    #460855 - 08/15/10 05:38 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

i just think everyone has their own set of beliefs. i dont think i was talking about religion....i was just saying that you can't ever prove anything about God's existence so believing is trusting and so forth without any evidence


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koopa you steal my bucket of chicken? :mad2:




I think you should check out OTD over at the shroomery. You will
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    #460857 - 08/15/10 05:40 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

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i just think everyone has their own set of beliefs. i dont think i was talking about religion....i was just saying that you can't ever prove anything about God's existence so believing is trusting and so forth without any evidence




A set of beliefs regarding God is religion.


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you know what i did in english class? I came to class stoned out of my mind every day, i chugged vodka in the back of class, i put dead fish in the ceiling tiles. i put a gallon of old milk and orange juice in the file cabinet before winter vacation. i brought snakes in a tied up sweater and let them loose during class. i didnt go to school to learn, i went because i had to. i didnt care, and i didn't fucking listen to that stupid bitch. and i still don't fucking care. i tore the pages out of her books and burned them, and threw away all the books in the class, two books per day.  :twobooks:

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Re: any of you beleive in god? [Re: DeadHearts]
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Quote:

FarBeyondDriven said:
koopa you steal my bucket of chicken? :mad2:




I think you should check out OTD over at the shroomery. You will
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We got something even better over here.  :shoosh:


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you know what i did in english class? I came to class stoned out of my mind every day, i chugged vodka in the back of class, i put dead fish in the ceiling tiles. i put a gallon of old milk and orange juice in the file cabinet before winter vacation. i brought snakes in a tied up sweater and let them loose during class. i didnt go to school to learn, i went because i had to. i didnt care, and i didn't fucking listen to that stupid bitch. and i still don't fucking care. i tore the pages out of her books and burned them, and threw away all the books in the class, two books per day.  :twobooks:

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Re: any of you believe in god? [Re: THEBats]
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THEBats said:
Quote:

A Girl said:
i just think everyone has their own set of beliefs. i dont think i was talking about religion....i was just saying that you can't ever prove anything about God's existence so believing is trusting and so forth without any evidence




A set of beliefs regarding God is religion.




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Re: any of you believe in god? [Re: THEBats]
    #460866 - 08/15/10 05:45 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

ok...yea. lol that is what i believe....but like i said. it cant be proved like science and things


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Re: any of you believe in god? [Re: A Girl]
    #460868 - 08/15/10 05:49 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

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ok...yea. lol that is what i believe....but like i said. it cant be proved like science and things




I think if we give ourselves the chance. As in we dont kill our selves
off then we will get to a point where we can look into these matters
using science. Some people already claim to be doing such things.

Look up the "god helmet" on youtube.

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    #460870 - 08/15/10 05:50 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

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koopa you steal my bucket of chicken? :mad2:




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We got something even better over here.  :shoosh:




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Re: any of you believe in god? [Re: A Girl]
    #460872 - 08/15/10 05:52 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

No but it could be disproven.  Well, at least the personal God, christian interpretation.  If we were to say conduct an experiment which creates life from organic molecules found in the universe and that life were to gain in complexity it would be reasonable to conclude that life came about as a natural cycle of this universe.  Now this would not find what created the universe we inhabit today, but it could prove or at the very least highly suggest that if there is a God he is an impersonal watchmaker, in which case the idea of a heaven or hell would be silly.


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you know what i did in english class? I came to class stoned out of my mind every day, i chugged vodka in the back of class, i put dead fish in the ceiling tiles. i put a gallon of old milk and orange juice in the file cabinet before winter vacation. i brought snakes in a tied up sweater and let them loose during class. i didnt go to school to learn, i went because i had to. i didnt care, and i didn't fucking listen to that stupid bitch. and i still don't fucking care. i tore the pages out of her books and burned them, and threw away all the books in the class, two books per day.  :twobooks:

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    #460875 - 08/15/10 05:56 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

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No but it could be disproven.  Well, at least the personal God, christian interpretation.  If we were to say conduct an experiment which creates life from organic molecules found in the universe and that life were to gain in complexity it would be reasonable to conclude that life came about as a natural cycle of this universe.  Now this would not find what created the universe we inhabit today, but it could prove or at the very least highly suggest that if there is a God he is an impersonal watchmaker, in which case the idea of a heaven or hell would be silly.




Indeed. I mean I think its pretty cut and dry from my stand point on
heaven and hell anyways. It really just seems as if these things were
put in place to keep people in line. Just like modern day laws. The
whole thing is just fishy so to speak.

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Re: any of you believe in god? [Re: THEBats]
    #460885 - 08/15/10 06:09 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

Now let's get back to an intelligent argument about religion


:ilold:

Isn't that an oxymoron

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i just think everyone has their own set of beliefs. i dont think i was talking about religion....i was just saying that you can't ever prove anything about God's existence so believing is trusting and so forth without any evidence




A set of beliefs regarding God is religion.




:yesnod:

My whole spin on God and consciousness = what we perceive as 'god' is just the next level of consciousness

"God" in the Judea-Christian religions does not exist IMO

When we feel god isn't the creator of the universe....its just Gaia


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    #460986 - 08/15/10 08:11 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

This thread was started by one of our brothers who is having a pretty rough time right now. He is obviously looking for some hope, some meaning, some reason for living. He didn't ask about philosophy or a set of beliefs- he asked about God.
i Stoner- I believe there is a God. For most of my life I've been a cynical, sarcastic jackoff who loved nothing better than to argue with a person of faith, and beat him up with cold hard logic.. I went through a lot of rough times, and considered ending my life as well. I finally had to set aside my false pride and bloated ego enough to realize and admit that I don't know everything. These people I sneered at had something I didn't- hope.
I didn't just say" oh okay there is a God, and Jesus was his Son". I researched and went to different churches until I saw enough to convince me that it is okay to believe in something, that I'm not weak for doing so. I had my share of run ins with with judgmental Christians, trust me( I have a tatoo of the devil on my arm), I just had to realize that they too are human, and therefore flawed.
I believe in God, and I believe that this life is a test. It's all about the choices we make, and how we treat our fellow man. You are at a crossroads, my friend. I'm glad you reached out, even if it was to us stoners..
This is the first time I've ever expressed my beliefs to anybody but my wife, so don't think I'm preaching.. just thought you might want to hear from someone who's been there and come through it better than ever.


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    #461005 - 08/15/10 08:29 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

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This thread was started by one of our brothers who is having a pretty rough time right now. He is obviously looking for some hope, some meaning, some reason for living. He didn't ask about philosophy or a set of beliefs- he asked about God.
i Stoner- I believe there is a God. For most of my life I've been a cynical, sarcastic jackoff who loved nothing better than to argue with a person of faith, and beat him up with cold hard logic.. I went through a lot of rough times, and considered ending my life as well. I finally had to set aside my false pride and bloated ego enough to realize and admit that I don't know everything. These people I sneered at had something I didn't- hope.
I didn't just say" oh okay there is a God, and Jesus was his Son". I researched and went to different churches until I saw enough to convince me that it is okay to believe in something, that I'm not weak for doing so. I had my share of run ins with with judgmental Christians, trust me( I have a tatoo of the devil on my arm), I just had to realize that they too are human, and therefore flawed.
I believe in God, and I believe that this life is a test. It's all about the choices we make, and how we treat our fellow man. You are at a crossroads, my friend. I'm glad you reached out, even if it was to us stoners..
This is the first time I've ever expressed my beliefs to anybody but my wife, so don't think I'm preaching.. just thought you might want to hear from someone who's been there and come through it better than ever.



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Re: any of you believe in god? [Re: iStoner]
    #461156 - 08/16/10 12:09 AM (13 years, 7 months ago)

This is original god --------------> :feelsweirdman:

All this nothing bouncing around.


So god became :feelsgoodman:



Which then created :feelsbadman:


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Re: any of you believe in god? [Re: THEBats]
    #461177 - 08/16/10 12:31 AM (13 years, 7 months ago)

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i just think everyone has their own set of beliefs. i dont think i was talking about religion....i was just saying that you can't ever prove anything about God's existence so believing is trusting and so forth without any evidence




A set of beliefs regarding God is religion.





Wouldn't that set of beliefs need to be more systematic?  In fact looking at Websters they seem to confirm: all the definitions deal with systematic belief in a god, or gods, accompanied by worship, ethics, etc

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Re: any of you believe in god? [Re: kyuzo]
    #461181 - 08/16/10 12:37 AM (13 years, 7 months ago)

I believe that all you need is some form of ritual
associated with your god for it to be a religion

not real sure about that though :uhoh:


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Re: any of you believe in god? [Re: kyuzo]
    #461276 - 08/16/10 09:15 AM (13 years, 7 months ago)

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i just think everyone has their own set of beliefs. i dont think i was talking about religion....i was just saying that you can't ever prove anything about God's existence so believing is trusting and so forth without any evidence




A set of beliefs regarding God is religion.





Wouldn't that set of beliefs need to be more systematic?  In fact looking at Websters they seem to confirm: all the definitions deal with systematic belief in a god, or gods, accompanied by worship, ethics, etc




Most definitions regarding the subject are not set in stone.


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Re: any of you believe in god? [Re: THEBats]
    #461297 - 08/16/10 10:44 AM (13 years, 7 months ago)

Yea, defining religion is pretty difficult. As a lot have things others don't and a lot don't have things most others have.


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Re: any of you believe in god? [Re: THEBats]
    #461359 - 08/16/10 01:32 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

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THEBats said:
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i just think everyone has their own set of beliefs. i dont think i was talking about religion....i was just saying that you can't ever prove anything about God's existence so believing is trusting and so forth without any evidence




A set of beliefs regarding God is religion.








Wouldn't that set of beliefs need to be more systematic?  In fact looking at Websters they seem to confirm: all the definitions deal with systematic belief in a god, or gods, accompanied by worship, ethics, etc




Most definitions regarding the subject are not set in stone.





Of course definitions change over time.  However, yours seemed overly broad and useless.

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Re: any of you believe in god? [Re: kyuzo]
    #461373 - 08/16/10 01:47 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

Religion is a broad topic.


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Re: any of you believe in god? [Re: THEBats]
    #461376 - 08/16/10 01:50 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

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Religion is a broad topic.



To say the least


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    #461378 - 08/16/10 01:51 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

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I believe in God, but I believe in evolution.  I believe things started from God but he had the intentions of things evolving. :shrug:





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Re: any of you believe in god? [Re: kyuzo]
    #461398 - 08/16/10 02:08 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

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kyuzo said:
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A set of beliefs regarding God is religion.





Wouldn't that set of beliefs need to be more systematic?  In fact looking at Websters they seem to confirm: all the definitions deal with systematic belief in a god, or gods, accompanied by worship, ethics, etc




Most definitions regarding the subject are not set in stone.





Of course definitions change over time.  However, yours seemed overly broad and useless.




Overly broad and useless.....kinda like religion :tongue:

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re·li·gion
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1.a set of beliefs concerning the cause, nature, and purpose of the universe, esp. when considered as the creation of a superhuman agency or agencies, usually involving devotional and ritual observances, and often containing a moral code governing the conduct of human affairs.

2.a specific fundamental set of beliefs and practices generally agreed upon by a number of persons or sects: the Christian religion; the Buddhist religion.

3.the body of persons adhering to a particular set of beliefs and practices: a world council of religions.

4.the life or state of a monk, nun, etc.: to enter religion.

5.the practice of religious beliefs; ritual observance of faith.

6.something one believes in and follows devotedly; a point or matter of ethics or conscience: to make a religion of fighting prejudice.

7.religions, Archaic . religious rites.

8.Archaic . strict faithfulness; devotion: a religion to one's vow.





Thats a pretty broad definition

So saying that A set of beliefs regarding God is religion
is a pretty spot on short definition of religion


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Re: any of you believe in god? [Re: THEBats]
    #461399 - 08/16/10 02:09 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

Awesome. Now lets talk about religion.

Religion is not hard to define. Religion in my words is a set of beliefs and rules influencing a persons thought and actions in their day to day.

Any disagree?


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Re: any of you believe in god? [Re: niteowl]
    #461401 - 08/16/10 02:11 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

What's so broad about that. It's very absolute and simple.

You can't have god without religion and religion can be found without god.


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Re: any of you believe in god? [Re: niteowl]
    #461416 - 08/16/10 02:21 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

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niteowl  said:So saying that A set of beliefs regarding God is religion
is a pretty spot on short definition of religion





How would the absence in belief for a god, or deity, concern "the cause, nature, and purpose of the universe", besides in removing such an element from the equation?


Also, things like science concern "the cause, nature" of the universe, and could even possibly concern purpose.

So again, limiting the definition in such a manner, while ignoring "esp. when considered as the creation of a superhuman agency or agencies, usually involving devotional and ritual observances, and often containing a moral code governing the conduct of human affairs." doesn't strike me as very useful nor productive

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Re: any of you believe in god? [Re: kyuzo]
    #461419 - 08/16/10 02:25 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

What are you talkig about


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Re: any of you believe in god? [Re: kyuzo]
    #461422 - 08/16/10 02:26 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

lol you left out especially when considered as the creation of a superhuman agency or agencies

:imslow:

You cant have a religion without god

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    #461425 - 08/16/10 02:27 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

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You can't have god without religion and religion can be found without god.




You have that all backwards mate

you cant have a religion without a god
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Re: any of you believe in god? [Re: niteowl]
    #461427 - 08/16/10 02:31 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

That'll be like saying god created religion. A person personal religion is just that, their own.

What would you say about people who pick from many wordly religions and form their own philosophy. That person definitely doesn't believe in god.


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Re: any of you believe in god? [Re: niteowl]
    #461428 - 08/16/10 02:32 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

I guess my archaic power symbol of confusion "esp" successfully did it's job then



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lol you left out especially when considered as the creation of a superhuman agency or agencies

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You cant have a religion without god

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Re: any of you believe in god? [Re: kyuzo]
    #461429 - 08/16/10 02:33 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

Now how about you try to make sense, because I want to know what you think.


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Re: any of you believe in god? [Re: niteowl]
    #461430 - 08/16/10 02:33 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

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not according to the definition you're trying to hawk above

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Re: any of you believe in god? [Re: kyuzo]
    #461441 - 08/16/10 02:46 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

I do not believe that god created the universe
its just another part of creation, not something to be worshiped

no need for religion with a god like that :shrug:


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Re: any of you believe in god? [Re: kyuzo]
    #461443 - 08/16/10 02:46 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

Guys... religion is religion. We all "know" what it means and we all have slightly different ideas. Religion is just a word... just sounds.

:shrug:

Religion differs from spirituality because religion an is organized set of beliefs. 


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    #461450 - 08/16/10 02:55 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

No. There's meaning behind words. People just decide to try to reject a meaning, and then they begin to talk out their ass.


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Re: any of you believe in god? [Re: King Koopa]
    #461451 - 08/16/10 02:56 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

No room for debate when people do that. Religion has a meaning, and doesn't have anything to do with god. Everyone has religion even if it has something to do with slaughtering people and and raping kids. EVeryone has a set of guidlines by which they live by. That's exactly what religion is. I don't see what people don't understand


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Re: any of you believe in god? [Re: niteowl]
    #461452 - 08/16/10 02:56 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

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I do not believe that god created the universe
its just another part of creation, not something to be worshiped

no need for religion with a god like that :shrug:




this is the definition you were supporting earlier:  "A set of beliefs regarding God is religion."

The above is a set of beliefs regarding god.  Hence, according to your definition it's a religion

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    #461453 - 08/16/10 02:57 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

A set of moral guidelines is NOT religion :sorry:


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    #461456 - 08/16/10 02:58 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

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A set of moral guidelines is NOT religion :sorry:



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Re: any of you believe in god? [Re: niteowl]
    #461458 - 08/16/10 03:00 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

It's a part of religion. The same way the 10 commandments are. Even if the 10 commandments were apart of my moral code and not the Christians, it'll still be a part of my religion.


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Re: any of you believe in god? [Re: King Koopa]
    #461459 - 08/16/10 03:00 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

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Now how about you try to make sense, because I want to know what you think.





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No room for debate when people do that. Religion has a meaning, and doesn't have anything to do with god. Everyone has religion even if it has something to do with slaughtering people and and raping kids. EVeryone has a set of guidlines by which they live by. That's exactly what religion is. I don't see what people don't understand




You seem to be confusing religion for ethics and morals

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Re: any of you believe in god? [Re: kyuzo]
    #461460 - 08/16/10 03:01 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

which is a part of ones religion.


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Re: any of you believe in god? [Re: kyuzo]
    #461463 - 08/16/10 03:02 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

i believe in high fructose corn syrup and aim away messages :durrhurr:


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Re: any of you believe in god? [Re: King Koopa]
    #461465 - 08/16/10 03:03 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

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No. There's meaning behind words. People just decide to try to reject a meaning, and then they begin to talk out their ass.





you mean reject a meaning that does nothing to further the understanding of the subject or differentiate it from things that are not like it?

Well, being that when one defines something they hope to differentiate it from things it is not like, and further the understanding of it, i would say rejecting the above definition was very apt

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Re: any of you believe in god? [Re: kyuzo]
    #461468 - 08/16/10 03:05 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

okay?


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Re: any of you believe in god? [Re: kyuzo]
    #461470 - 08/16/10 03:06 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

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It's a part of religion. The same way the 10 commandments are. Even if the 10 commandments were apart of my moral code and not the Christians, it'll still be a part of my religion.




Ethics and morals are a part of many things
is the US constitution a religion.....I think not

but just because someone has ethics/morals does not mean they are part of a religion

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You seem to be confusing religion for ethics and morals




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Re: any of you believe in god? [Re: niteowl]
    #461473 - 08/16/10 03:08 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

Religion is the belief in and worship of a god or gods, or in general a set of beliefs explaining the existence of and giving meaning to the universe, usually involving devotional and ritual observances, and often containing a moral code governing the conduct of human affairs


I believe none of you have no idea what you're talking about.


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Re: any of you believe in god? [Re: Mr. Kite]
    #461475 - 08/16/10 03:08 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

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A set of moral guidelines is NOT religion :sorry:



You are annoying :sorry:





If you don't have anything to contribute to the discussion but inflammatory remarks then I'll have to ask you to refrain from posting. Please keep it civil :peace:


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Re: any of you believe in god? [Re: King Koopa]
    #461482 - 08/16/10 03:09 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

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It's a part of religion. The same way the 10 commandments are. Even if the 10 commandments were apart of my moral code and not the Christians, it'll still be a part of my religion.





it can be a part of a religion, but such a connection is not necessitated. 


Though if you're saying that such reasoning, at some level, is based on a "leap of faith" I would agree.  But such a leap is not inherently tied to any religious belief.

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Re: any of you believe in god? [Re: Harry_Ba11sach]
    #461487 - 08/16/10 03:10 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

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Mr. Kite said:
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A set of moral guidelines is NOT religion :sorry:



You are annoying :sorry:





If you don't have anything to contribute to the discussion but inflammatory remarks then I'll have to ask you to refrain from posting. Please keep it civil :peace:



Sorry :sorry:


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Re: any of you believe in god? [Re: kyuzo]
    #461491 - 08/16/10 03:11 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

We're on 2 different islands. Define what you think religion.


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Re: any of you believe in god? [Re: King Koopa]
    #461492 - 08/16/10 03:12 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

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Religion is the belief in and worship of a god or gods, or in general a set of beliefs explaining the existence of and giving meaning to the universe, usually involving devotional and ritual observances, and often containing a moral code governing the conduct of human affairs


I believe none of you have no idea what you're talking about.





Aren't we actively discussing the value of the above definition?

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Re: any of you believe in god? [Re: King Koopa]
    #461494 - 08/16/10 03:13 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

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We're on 2 different islands. Define what you think religion.




My island has the right rules and beliefs and your island doesn't, so our God is going to kill you. PS: Don't buttfuck.


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Re: any of you believe in god? [Re: kyuzo]
    #461496 - 08/16/10 03:13 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

How much do you give it?


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Re: any of you believe in god? [Re: kyuzo]
    #461497 - 08/16/10 03:14 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

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No. There's meaning behind words. People just decide to try to reject a meaning, and then they begin to talk out their ass.





you mean reject a meaning that does nothing to further the understanding of the subject or differentiate it from things that are not like it?

Well, being that when one defines something they hope to differentiate it from things it is not like, and further the understanding of it, i would say rejecting the above definition was very apt




Words are not only used to differentiate but to categorize. Words can be general in their meanings and definitions.


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Re: any of you believe in god? [Re: FRACTALife]
    #461499 - 08/16/10 03:14 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

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King Koopa said:
We're on 2 different islands. Define what you think religion.




My island has the right rules and beliefs and your island doesn't, so our God is going to kill you. PS: Don't buttfuck.




Well perhaps your religion sucks.:tongue:


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Re: any of you believe in god? [Re: THEBats]
    #461503 - 08/16/10 03:16 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

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No. There's meaning behind words. People just decide to try to reject a meaning, and then they begin to talk out their ass.





you mean reject a meaning that does nothing to further the understanding of the subject or differentiate it from things that are not like it?

Well, being that when one defines something they hope to differentiate it from things it is not like, and further the understanding of it, i would say rejecting the above definition was very apt




Words are not only used to differentiate but to categorize. Words can be general in their meanings and definitions.





Categorizing is differentiating

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Re: any of you believe in god? [Re: kyuzo]
    #461511 - 08/16/10 03:20 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

Yes but in a more broad fashion.  Items within a category can cross the spectrum into another.  But these items within the category themselves hold their own definitions.


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you know what i did in english class? I came to class stoned out of my mind every day, i chugged vodka in the back of class, i put dead fish in the ceiling tiles. i put a gallon of old milk and orange juice in the file cabinet before winter vacation. i brought snakes in a tied up sweater and let them loose during class. i didnt go to school to learn, i went because i had to. i didnt care, and i didn't fucking listen to that stupid bitch. and i still don't fucking care. i tore the pages out of her books and burned them, and threw away all the books in the class, two books per day.  :twobooks:

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Re: any of you believe in god? [Re: King Koopa]
    #461519 - 08/16/10 03:26 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

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How much do you give it?





I think it's better than the original definition offered here, but that it would need to be limited to a systematic form of thought based on some level of supernatural causation

Edited by kyuzo (08/16/10 03:29 PM)

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    #463028 - 08/18/10 04:11 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

BATS your avatar is making me dizzy.. but I guess it's better than the last one, which made me nauseous..and better than the evolution of this thread which is making me both dizzy AND nauseous...
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BATS your avatar is making me dizzy.. but I guess it's better than the last one, which made me nauseous..and better than the evolution of this thread which is making me both dizzy AND nauseous...
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i think i beleive in god but im not at all religious :lol:


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    #463610 - 08/19/10 03:01 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

I don't think I beleive in god, I mean I really don't want to and all.
Buts hard to throw god beleive away after years of being raised catholic, and still being told he's real just have faith.
I for one, certainly don't beleive what mainstream god beleive are at all. And of it turns out of you don't beleive in him yougo to he'll, then i would rather go to he'll. There would be so many great people there.
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Re: any of you believe in god? [Re: iStoner]
    #463759 - 08/19/10 07:28 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

god raped my mom

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Re: any of you believe in god? [Re: Coaster]
    #463915 - 08/19/10 10:48 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

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god raped my mom

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His penis was so tiny that she didn't notice.
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god raped my mom

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His penis was so tiny that she didn't notice.
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