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    #12179 - 04/25/08 01:47 AM (13 years, 5 months ago)

What makes bagseed so bad to grow? Is it like crossed so many times with other strains its played out? Ive seen a few of good bagseed grows. I would like to order a strain but it really isnt an option. How big of a role does genetics play in yields? If I take a bag of bud will all the seeds in that bag carry the same genetics? Or since its most likely hybrids do I have chances of finding a mix of noticable indicas and sativas? I know when you get seeds in a bag the bud you will produce is better if grown sensimilla, but for the people who have grown bagseed and grew strains bought from vendors also, does bagseed even carry potential or is it a waste of time compared to seedbank bought?


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    #12220 - 04/25/08 02:03 AM (13 years, 5 months ago)

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Re: Bagseed [Re: wishcouldeletethis]
    #12422 - 04/25/08 05:03 AM (13 years, 5 months ago)

my fav strain is northern lights, but i have grown some damn fine bud from the worst brick shwag seeds you could find, you never know with bag seed, it could be some namebrand stuff that some idiot just let go to seed, so you may get a good strain with bagseed, is fun to grow bag seeds sometimes, its like a box of chocoalate ya never know what ya gonna get,


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Re: Bagseed [Re: Chronica]
    #12432 - 04/25/08 06:24 AM (13 years, 5 months ago)

The main thing I can think of that might pose a problem is if you are growing indoors, and you're not really set up to grow huge sativa plants, you might not know what to expect with that. If you're growing outdoors you shouldn't have a problem though since you don't have to worry about space.


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Re: Bagseed [Re: Chronica]
    #12454 - 04/25/08 08:54 AM (13 years, 5 months ago)

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If I take a bag of bud will all the seeds in that bag carry the same genetics? Or since its most likely hybrids do I have chances of finding a mix of noticable indicas and sativas?




I wonder the same thing.


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Re: Bagseed [Re: Chronica]
    #12455 - 04/25/08 09:00 AM (13 years, 5 months ago)

think of the weed that the seeds came from, remember the high? if you grow from those seeds and take proper care of the plants you final product should be better than what you had. yields will mostly depend on the care you give the plants, i believe you can get decent yields from any strain if you know what you're doing. even if it was the shittiest weed you've ever had, i think you can get something decent out of it. also, if it is you're first time growing you probably should start with those seeds to get some experience. after you have gotten some experience and know what you want to do and how to do it, you can get some from a seedbank and have some really good stuff.


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Re: Bagseed [Re: Laysthepipe]
    #12456 - 04/25/08 09:03 AM (13 years, 5 months ago)

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If I take a bag of bud will all the seeds in that bag carry the same genetics? Or since its most likely hybrids do I have chances of finding a mix of noticable indicas and sativas?




I wonder the same thing.



i doubt they put different strains in the bag, so all the seeds should be the same strain. you should probably be able to tell if it's mostly indica or mostly sativa from the high you got. or you could just ask the guy you got it from.


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Re: Bagseed [Re: maggotz]
    #12457 - 04/25/08 09:05 AM (13 years, 5 months ago)

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think of the weed that the seeds came from, remember the high? if you grow from those seeds and take proper care of the plants you final product should be better than what you had. yields will mostly depend on the care you give the plants, i believe you can get decent yields from any strain if you know what you're doing. even if it was the shittiest weed you've ever had, i think you can get something decent out of it. also, if it is you're first time growing you probably should start with those seeds to get some experience. after you have gotten some experience and know what you want to do and how to do it, you can get some from a seedbank and have some really good stuff.




Im not really new to plants ive grown vegetables before.


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Re: Bagseed [Re: maggotz]
    #12458 - 04/25/08 09:08 AM (13 years, 5 months ago)

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If I take a bag of bud will all the seeds in that bag carry the same genetics? Or since its most likely hybrids do I have chances of finding a mix of noticable indicas and sativas?




I wonder the same thing.



i doubt they put different strains in the bag, so all the seeds should be the same strain. you should probably be able to tell if it's mostly indica or mostly sativa from the high you got. or you could just ask the guy you got it from.





When you have a hybrid. I heard that they will be a little different each seed, some being more sativa some more indica.


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Re: Bagseed [Re: Laysthepipe]
    #12460 - 04/25/08 09:22 AM (13 years, 5 months ago)

ohhh, i didn't know that. sativas ftw.


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Re: Bagseed [Re: maggotz]
    #12982 - 04/25/08 11:09 PM (13 years, 4 months ago)

so are bagseeds more likely to be hermies?


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Re: Bagseed [Re: araucaria]
    #14026 - 04/27/08 02:46 AM (13 years, 4 months ago)

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so are bagseeds more likely to be hermies?



No,. Here is the problem with bag seed.
Say you got a sack of some real good outdoor shit. When you try to to grow seeds from buds got full mexican sun, indoors, you can't replicate the power of the sun. The plants will look identical to others though veg, but once you start budding, the buds might not tricome up, and finish within a reasonable time. Seeds though seedbanks are pretty much guaranteed to be potent and have some senescence.


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Re: Bagseed [Re: Dexter_Morgan]
    #14031 - 04/27/08 02:57 AM (13 years, 4 months ago)

you ever grown outdoors? i've never tried my hand at inddoors growing, outdoors is just exponentially easier. at least that's how it seems to me.


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Re: Bagseed [Re: maggotz]
    #14032 - 04/27/08 03:01 AM (13 years, 4 months ago)

Outdoor grows aren't necessarily easier. They come with their own problems: spider mites, a period of time from seed to harvest, pesky neighbors, pets, mold, etc.

It's a matter of preference. If you prefer shorter, more controlled grows, indoors is for you, although it usually comes with a little more work.

Growing outdoors, you pretty much grow according to Mother Earth and her schedule.


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Re: Bagseed [Re: Dexter_Morgan]
    #14039 - 04/27/08 03:20 AM (13 years, 4 months ago)

but if the herb was grown indoors (the bagseed) it should be just fine then?


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Re: Bagseed [Re: meatcakeman]
    #14042 - 04/27/08 03:31 AM (13 years, 4 months ago)

i've never had pest problems and i don't have to worry about neighbiors either. but yeah i grow sativas and i usually let them get huge, i have ideal weather for it.  i'm also pretty lazy and maybe htat's why i prefer outdoors grows. just let the plants do their thing, feed them some nutes and water them when necessary. but yeah, you could say i'm not a very dedicated grower. but i usually have fairly large and potent yields. :shrug:


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Re: Bagseed [Re: maggotz]
    #14043 - 04/27/08 03:32 AM (13 years, 4 months ago)

I personally don't really care about the method, as long as i get the result.



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Re: Bagseed [Re: araucaria]
    #14304 - 04/27/08 06:24 PM (13 years, 4 months ago)

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but if the herb was grown indoors (the bagseed) it should be just fine then?




basically yes, but only moron growers end up with unintentional indoor seeded buds.


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Re: Bagseed [Re: Dexter_Morgan]
    #14454 - 04/28/08 12:47 AM (13 years, 4 months ago)

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but if the herb was grown indoors (the bagseed) it should be just fine then?




basically yes, but only moron growers end up with unintentional indoor seeded buds.




That is not entirely true. Hermaphrodite plants can be very difficult to spot and can result in seeded indoor buds. At least one acclaimed strain from the start of this decade was the result of seeds found in high quality purchased buds.


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Re: Bagseed [Re: Ojom]
    #14456 - 04/28/08 12:49 AM (13 years, 4 months ago)

Hermies aremt THAT hard to spot.



Once i see 'em balls i chop that mutha fucka.


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Re: Bagseed [Re: meatcakeman]
    #14464 - 04/28/08 01:24 AM (13 years, 4 months ago)

how much more potent should the bagseed be if grown properly due to not being pollinated?


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Re: Bagseed [Re: Laysthepipe]
    #14467 - 04/28/08 01:35 AM (13 years, 4 months ago)

well sinsemilla bud is always more potent than if it were laden with seeds


But potency takes up a lot of factors...


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Re: Bagseed [Re: meatcakeman]
    #14510 - 04/28/08 03:21 AM (13 years, 4 months ago)

i know a site where you can get 10 northern-lights seeds for 22 dollars and i have always had good luck with them, so its not that expensive to grow name brand


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Re: Bagseed [Re: dutchmushroom]
    #14888 - 04/29/08 03:11 AM (13 years, 4 months ago)

is it a well known vendor?!

I have never heard of such greatness!


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Re: Bagseed [Re: meatcakeman]
    #14933 - 04/29/08 10:47 AM (13 years, 4 months ago)

yes it is, im not sayin there is but.. pming me might be worthwhile :wink:



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Re: Bagseed [Re: Dexter_Morgan]
    #15103 - 04/29/08 02:44 PM (13 years, 4 months ago)

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but if the herb was grown indoors (the bagseed) it should be just fine then?




basically yes, but only moron growers end up with unintentional indoor seeded buds.




I've also heard of experienced indoor growers getting some of their plants pollinated by some moron down the street who forgot to chop a male.


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Re: Bagseed [Re: Harry_Ba11sach]
    #15110 - 04/29/08 02:50 PM (13 years, 4 months ago)

indoor plants pollenated by outdoor pollen?! wow, that would be a helluva tool for leo...


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Re: Bagseed [Re: dirtytaco]
    #17372 - 05/02/08 05:38 PM (13 years, 4 months ago)

My friend just finished growing a random bag seed and the buds actually look amazing. It was his first grow and he didn't use fertilizer but there looks to be like a 1/2 ounce of really good chronic.


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Re: Bagseed [Re: Harry_Ba11sach]
    #17456 - 05/02/08 08:28 PM (13 years, 4 months ago)

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I've also heard of experienced indoor growers getting some of their plants pollinated by some moron down the street who forgot to chop a male.




Not experienced enough to filter the incoming air? :sherlock:


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Re: Bagseed [Re: Sirius]
    #17725 - 05/02/08 11:36 PM (13 years, 4 months ago)

I just know they grew beautiful nugs, but I never said they weren't idiots :yesnod:


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Re: Bagseed [Re: Sirius]
    #17826 - 05/03/08 12:02 AM (13 years, 4 months ago)

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I've also heard of experienced indoor growers getting some of their plants pollinated by some moron down the street who forgot to chop a male.




Not experienced enough to filter the incoming air? :sherlock:




u have to filter the incoming air too? fuck.


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Re: Bagseed [Re: Laysthepipe]
    #18084 - 05/03/08 05:28 AM (13 years, 4 months ago)

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u have to filter the incoming air too? fuck.




Well not necessarily but I would think that if you have an isolated spot from which air is coming in, you could simply take a furnace filter specifically for allergen control or something and put it in between there, as long as you have a good enough intake fan that is pulling air out of the grow area. :shrug:


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Re: Bagseed [Re: Sirius]
    #19206 - 05/04/08 04:39 PM (13 years, 4 months ago)

is marijuana pollen that common?


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Re: Bagseed [Re: Chronica]
    #19227 - 05/04/08 04:53 PM (13 years, 4 months ago)

Not unless you live in Pakistan. :shrug:


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Re: Bagseed [Re: Sirius]
    #19228 - 05/04/08 04:56 PM (13 years, 4 months ago)

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Not unless you live in Pakistan. :shrug:




yea it doesnt seem like its worth the trouble of going through filtering incoming air if your not growing males inside your home.


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Re: Bagseed [Re: Chronica]
    #19241 - 05/04/08 05:36 PM (13 years, 4 months ago)

I don't think it would be much trouble to use part of a furnace filter in a vent of incoming air, but blocking improbable pollen isn't really why one would use as much. Spider mites would be a much more likely reason to filter incoming air. :wink:


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