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Decide My First Grow
    #115833 - 08/29/08 03:22 PM (11 years, 24 days ago)

Alright all you growers out there. This will be my first grow and so that you have some personal stake in the thread it's time for: Decide My Grow!

Here are the basic guidelines. I will be using an AeroGarden cause of footprint and an ounce lasts me two to three months anyway. Here is what I have.

(All the following are from an aborted attempt at a hydro setup. No space in new place :frown:)
  • 50 lb bag of LECA  (speaking of which if anyone wants like half of it they can have it for cheap/free)
  • Pump
  • BC Grow, Boost, and Bloom
  • 8 rockwool cubes (medium sized)


What I need from you stoners and stone-ettes.

  • A strain of weed. If I'm going to go ahead and invest the money may as well get good genetics. Was thinking of Low Ryder for all the major reasons <br> but if anyone else knows of a good indica or hybrid that remains mostly short please let me know. Also, quick question: I know I probably don't want to get a sativa <br> or sativa dominant (even though I loves them :frown:) but if I take my lovely babies, let them veg for say only a week or two and then flip them <br> will it hinder their growth? I know it'll affect yield but will they flower, bud, and complete? Another thing, don't suggest <br> White-Mako-Blueberry-Hawaiin-Grandaddy-Kush which costs me 175 euro and three years in an Amsterdam red light district to obtain. :blowjob:
  • Which seed company/bank?
  • Should I get feminized seeds so I don't have to worry about pulling males?
  • Which AeroGarden? The main differences being rootspace and height that lamp will reach. Chances are I'll be modifying the cord to hook up to a timer so I can give <br> them the correct photo-period instead of the closest approximation. I wold also like to not modify the lamp stand itself to neatness and aesthetics.
  • Should I use the pellets that come with the AeroGarden or should I attempt to go ahead and use my BC products?
  • And finally should I go ahead and plug all the holes and go for a mini-SOG or should I have just three filled and go for the LST spiral of DEATH?


If enough responses are forthcoming I promise to document every step and put up a growlog the likes of which this site has never SEEN!  :minigun:


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Re: Decide My First Grow [Re: BlargIAmDead]
    #115834 - 08/29/08 03:26 PM (11 years, 24 days ago)

i've used drchronic personally with good results to western US, and heard good things about seedbay.

you could do something other than an aerogarden using the same space and probably do better IMO.  not to mention money saved by not buying an aerogarden could go to supplies that will be useful.


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Re: Decide My First Grow [Re: BlargIAmDead]
    #115835 - 08/29/08 03:26 PM (11 years, 24 days ago)

im guessing only indica wors with aero garden
or does it support really tall plants


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Re: Decide My First Grow [Re: Coaster]
    #115836 - 08/29/08 03:31 PM (11 years, 24 days ago)

dont rule them out, you can make bushy sativas!  jusst gotta bend them and trim them right. 

this is my super silver haze and its quite bushy.  and thats a kitten, not a cat, so you could keep a small sativa relatively easily if you want.


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Re: Decide My First Grow [Re: yellownotepad]
    #115838 - 08/29/08 03:35 PM (11 years, 24 days ago)

thats a sum pretty ssh u gots der


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Re: Decide My First Grow [Re: Coaster]
    #116037 - 08/30/08 06:36 AM (11 years, 23 days ago)

yes yes it is.  and i realized i took way too many clones when i pruned it after that photo.  like 19 cuttings rooting in my bubbler right now i dunno wtf im even gonna do with all them lol :strokebeard:


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Re: Decide My First Grow (moved)
    #116047 - 08/30/08 08:45 AM (11 years, 23 days ago)

This thread was moved from The Smoke Lounge.

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Re: Decide My First Grow (moved) [Re: Sirius]
    #116195 - 08/30/08 10:07 PM (11 years, 22 days ago)

Aerogarden, sativa = They sell an attachment.
In a first grow use use bagseed, It's not going to give you what you want, but you will learn shitloads more about the in(s) and outs of gwrowing, than any of us can tell you.


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Re: Decide My First Grow (moved) [Re: Uns4ne]
    #116493 - 08/31/08 06:30 PM (11 years, 21 days ago)

Okay so I guess I have to explain myself now....damn you! My current attempt consists of a subwoofer box with CFL's. The downside is this: I have no powertools to make modifications to the box and it gets way too damn hot inside even with a fan blowing in 24/7. I want something that is self-sufficient and yes I know I could get a 400 watt HPS/MH and several pots and Fox Farm. I could do all this....but for the space. I could section off a piece of my closet...and have all my clothes smell like pot. I could put it out in the open....but my room mate has non-cool friends and family. So we are back again to where we started. The key word here in the title was DECIDE....not waffle around and go "You could do better" :smile:. I don't need several ounces. I barely need one ounce. And yes I could grow from bagseed. Which I may end up doing....But there are several questions not relating to genetics that you can answer :laugh:.

So give me at least one of the aforementioned pieces of information in future posts please.


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Re: Decide My First Grow (moved) [Re: BlargIAmDead]
    #116689 - 09/01/08 03:30 AM (11 years, 21 days ago)

you should do a small double tub type box using two opaque storage bins (you choose the size), mount CFLs inside, and use small PC fans and a small diy carbon scrubber for your ventilation system.  use hempy buckets if you wanna do something like hydro, or soil if you are so inclined.  i think any kind of hydro with pumps and things would probably waste valuable space. 

if you aren't familiar with hempy buckets, its a container filled with perlite and a drain placed on the side 1-2 inches above the bottom.  you hand water it with nute water as you would mix up for a hydro system, and it supposedly grows quite well (i just started trying this, but a lot of forums seem to like it).

you could probably fit two plants inside something like that, it would be small enough to stash in the closet, have enough height to not have to do crazy LST stuff, and you should have no problem keeping temps down.  i have a single storage bin (so half the air volume you'd have) and one single PC fan running on a 7.5 volt power adapter (so its running at like 62% speed) and the temps are the same as ambient with a 42w cfl in there.  its where i've got two tiny clones (freshly rooted) budding for a tester smoke.   

disclaimer - im no expert, someone may jump in to correct me on this.


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Re: Decide My First Grow (moved) [Re: yellownotepad]
    #120266 - 09/10/08 04:37 PM (11 years, 12 days ago)

Well as it turns out I now have $600 that I thought was gone. Also, I have a section of closet that is 1' w x 4' l x 6' h. But I'll have problem with heat dissipation. Live in an apt and they wouldn't be too keen with me cutting a large hole in the roof to vent. Can't fit an AC in there. Could vent directly to my room but that could suck. Still looking at the AeroGarden like a crack fiend eyeballin' a cat.

So theoretically I could panda film the carpet, hang a light from a preexisting structure, get pots and Fox Farm and grow in a line rather than a square.

Or get AeroGarden and just stick it on a shelf in the closet.


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Re: Decide My First Grow (moved) [Re: BlargIAmDead]
    #120436 - 09/10/08 11:38 PM (11 years, 11 days ago)

did u chose a strain already?

i vote PPP

my favorite strain by far for years.

never done it indoors tho:shrug:


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Re: Decide My First Grow (moved) [Re: just me]
    #120664 - 09/11/08 11:04 AM (11 years, 11 days ago)

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Right now i dunno wtf im even gonna do with all them lol




grow them, sell them, or send them someone who deserves them :laugh:


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Re: Decide My First Grow (moved) [Re: coda]
    #120906 - 09/11/08 10:39 PM (11 years, 10 days ago)

Okay kiddos. New installment. Been thinking. Now I've got about $400-600 of expendable income. Here are your new options. I'll even give them numbers. If your post doesn't contain a number from my post....:spank:

1) "Go with the AeroGarden idea."
Yeah that's right puss out and go home to your measly half to ounce of bud.

2) "Go with soil. It's the shit!"
All organic Fox Farm style 125 to 600 W HPS! Ain't nothing tastes like organic!

3) "Go with a DWC via a 5 gallon bucket net and airstone"
Real pros go with hydros.

So I want to see a 1....a 2.....or a 3....in all posts. Now this is XOR so only one can be true. For all you non-Comp. Sci. people no "123 lol" posts


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Re: Decide My First Grow (moved) [Re: BlargIAmDead]
    #121021 - 09/12/08 02:00 AM (11 years, 10 days ago)

2 FTW!!!


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Re: Decide My First Grow (moved) [Re: just me]
    #121105 - 09/12/08 10:29 AM (11 years, 10 days ago)

I say mix it up a bit and go with 3.


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Re: Decide My First Grow (moved) [Re: BlargIAmDead]
    #121120 - 09/12/08 11:45 AM (11 years, 10 days ago)

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Okay kiddos. New installment. Been thinking. Now I've got about $400-600 of expendable income. Here are your new options. I'll even give them numbers. If your post doesn't contain a number from my post....:spank:





4) "Its your first grow, so go with coco"
It even rhymes. :lol:

If not #4, than #2, but the main train of thought on this is that it is your first grow, and the basic stuff is going to be a little challenging, so complicating the matter by needing to worry about extra elements like aerating buckets of water, or needing a lot of different organic amendments, or removing some of the buffer zones that help cushion the plants from mistakes, like growing in nothing but water or even aeroponics, is potentially going to make things less manageable for someone just starting. I think it takes the fun out of growing if you've developed a problem with your plants that has complex origins and will be difficult to sort out.

This is why I'd go with something like coco, or a soil grow, where you are using a line of organic chemical nutrients. I find coco more preferable, because you're going to get better results due to coco's ability to hold a perfect saturation of water while, at the same time, giving the roots plenty of air. Also, coco will give you some of the more basic lessons that you'll need to have down pat going into hydroponic grows, like the aforementioned DWC, since its soilless and the pH levels will be pretty much the same.

As for what to specifically get regarding lighting and ventilation and everything, it really is a question of your budget. The difference in the costs of ballasts themselves means that you'd be paying around $70 for a 150 watt HPS ballast, but only about $100 for a 600 watt HPS ballast, with the difference between the two being astronomical. A 600 watt HPS in a 3ft x 3ft area would give some great yields. Of course, you're going to need to have an extractor fan that can remove at least twice the volume of air in your grow area in one minute, and you could easily be spending over $100 on that, with about the same amount going towards a carbon filter, which would be a necessity if odor is any kind of security concern. Then you'd be looking at $50-100 for your reflector, $50 for your bulb (I personally got two so there is always a back up in case one burns out, having no light for days to weeks while you're waiting on shipping isn't an option), about $50 for a good set of nutrients, not to mention the cost of your coco or soil (at least another $20), pots, panda film, etc. etc. etc.... Some sort of pH meter would be essential, there's $50, although some kind of test kit could definitely get you by...

Basically, if you're going with HID lighting, the difference in cost between a 150 watt and a 600 watt setup isn't going to be that different (while going from 600 to 1000 definitely is :eek:), and it'd just be wrong to sell yourself short as far as that goes. However, what you would really need to be aware of is the difference in the amount of heat that will be produced by HID. The extractor fan will already be helping with that, if you get an air-cooled reflector, but the possibility of needing air conditioning is definitely there.

I really don't know if $400-600 would cover everything you would need, if you went the HID route. Definitely a good chunk of it, though. If you check out my grow log, all the stuff there cost about $1200. One thing you could do now, though, is get everything you'd need minus the lighting, and work with CFL's until you have more money to cover that stuff. :shrug:


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Re: Decide My First Grow (moved) [Re: Sirius]
    #121125 - 09/12/08 12:07 PM (11 years, 10 days ago)

Alright. Good start. I knew you had it in you Growery :laugh:. Now to start tearing ideas apart...Or more accurately Sirius' idea. Sorry. Your's was longest :frown:.

1) No room for an AC.

Here's how it's gonna look (use your imagination). Take half of your closet and then section off from the waist down with panda film. You now had a crotch level rectangle as it were. I can vent into one of two places. The closet or my room. At this point drilling a hole into walls or ceiling is oh so bad. Apt so no idea where wiring is :eek:

2) What's the difference in heat production between say a 125, 400, and 600 W HID light? What the average temp rise that you see when your light is on as opposed to off?

3) I'd like this to be as self sustaining and low maintenance as possible. That's why I was leaning towards the soil initially here. I would like the plant to grow and thrive and produce but I'm not worried about showing off a 12" cola or having 3 lbs. Is it possible to give a plant good hearty soil, PH adjusted water, and feedings every now and then with some BC line of ferts and have it be okay?

Also extractor fans aren't all that expensive. Was just looking at some 300 CFM for like 50 bucks. From my calculations my "room" is about 12 cubic feet. I THINK 300 CFM will cut it. :wink:


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Re: Decide My First Grow (moved) [Re: BlargIAmDead]
    #121143 - 09/12/08 12:36 PM (11 years, 10 days ago)

whats waist high to you?


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Re: Decide My First Grow (moved) [Re: just me]
    #121205 - 09/12/08 04:40 PM (11 years, 10 days ago)

Bout 3'. I could extend this to 6" (which I would have to do if I did the DWC with the 5 gallon bucket) by removing a shelf (which is easy to do) but it would be easier to vent heat with just the wire shelf and the light hanging from that. I'll put up some pictures later tonight when I'm at home. So imagine this if you will:

From the ground up we have carpet, then a layer of panda film to prevent that awesome water damage, then my pots/buckets with my light attached to or sitting on top of a wire shelf that is about 3 feet off the ground. Don't know how hot the wires would get but that's probably a bad idea to sit it right on top like that. Will probably go with hanging. Will hang panda film on the front of the shelf  and secure at top with Duck Tape and bottom with college textbooks :laugh:. Will vent with a 4" inline duct fan that is rated for 80 CFM that is currently hooked up to my fail of a grow cab :thumbdown:. This will vent from my 1x4x3h to an area that is approx 4x4x8h (and if need be will just leave the door open and it can vent into my room and the rest of the apt.

Ideas? Criticisms? Please throw rocks at this idea. I want to make it as strong as possible. Would rather be a scarred battle-nub than one who wastes $ that is so precious to me at this point.


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Re: Decide My First Grow (moved) [Re: BlargIAmDead]
    #121212 - 09/12/08 05:19 PM (11 years, 10 days ago)

your reflector will probably take up 1', if you do soil your pots will take another 1', a HID would need to be 18"-2' above the tops. you said your closet is 6' tall, so that leaves you with only 2-2.5' for your plants themselves. starting from seed, you'll have to veg for at least six weeks before preflowers show. vertical space may be an issue for you.


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Re: Decide My First Grow (moved) [Re: BlargIAmDead]
    #121344 - 09/12/08 10:11 PM (11 years, 9 days ago)

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Re: Decide My First Grow (moved) [Re: just me]
    #121421 - 09/13/08 02:04 AM (11 years, 9 days ago)

Butterlover: Or you could just veg them for say 3 weeks and then flip the lights regardless of pre-flowers O.o. Most indicas don't get over 3 feet. I could grow some bushy sativa hybrids too.

justme: Double voting....you bastard -_-.

The closet itself goes up to bout 9 feet. The bottom of the upper shelf is at 6'.

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Re: Decide My First Grow (moved) [Re: BlargIAmDead]
    #121423 - 09/13/08 02:06 AM (11 years, 9 days ago)

WOW NICE SETUP :lol:


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Re: Decide My First Grow (moved) [Re: just me]
    #121425 - 09/13/08 02:08 AM (11 years, 9 days ago)

Awww sad face. Not a setup. Was giving pics of potential space to use.


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Re: Decide My First Grow (moved) [Re: BlargIAmDead]
    #121432 - 09/13/08 02:22 AM (11 years, 9 days ago)

i know.

i was just joshin ya


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Re: Decide My First Grow (moved) [Re: BlargIAmDead]
    #121488 - 09/13/08 11:25 AM (11 years, 9 days ago)

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Here's how it's gonna look (use your imagination). Take half of your closet and then section off from the waist down with panda film. You now had a crotch level rectangle as it were. I can vent into one of two places. The closet or my room. At this point drilling a hole into walls or ceiling is oh so bad. Apt so no idea where wiring is :eek:




I think you're really going to want to make it work so that you are using the entire height of the closet. When you consider leaving space for the pots, 3'-4' for the plants, and another foot for space between the canopy and your light, not to mention the fact that more vertical space means more room for the heat to rise away from your plants, its just the best thing to try to make happen. Venting into the other space you'd leave in the closet wouldn't accomplish much anyways. You mentioned just leaving the door open is an option - this is your best bet. You could always put up a layer of panda film on the closet side of the doorway to help keep the light in the closet, simply just cutting a hole for the ducting (if you're going to be trying to sleep in the room that the closet is in while the light is on, for example). If light coming from the closet wouldn't be a problem, you'd be better off leaving the doorway uncovered, to help with heat.

Now, you said no room for an A/C, but are you able to condition the air of the room that the closet is in? All that matters is being able to bring down the ambient temperatures.

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2) What's the difference in heat production between say a 125, 400, and 600 W HID light? What the average temp rise that you see when your light is on as opposed to off?




I'm sure the difference in heat production between a 125 watt and a 600 watt is considerably different, but I'd think you'd be able to only run a plant or two underneath a 125 watt HPS. The HPS will be turning on in a couple hours, so I'll come back with some information on temperatures without the air conditioner. :wink:

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3) I'd like this to be as self sustaining and low maintenance as possible. That's why I was leaning towards the soil initially here. I would like the plant to grow and thrive and produce but I'm not worried about showing off a 12" cola or having 3 lbs. Is it possible to give a plant good hearty soil, PH adjusted water, and feedings every now and then with some BC line of ferts and have it be okay?




Yeah dude, it should work fine. Nothing wrong with growing in soil. I was just saying if you were going organically, like with making your own teas or using all kinds of different amendments, it might get a little more complicated than simply running soil with a good line of chemical nutrients for a first time.


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Re: Decide My First Grow (moved) [Re: cannabutterluvr]
    #121489 - 09/13/08 11:34 AM (11 years, 9 days ago)

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a HID would need to be 18"-2' above the tops. 




Actually, by the time the HID is that far away from the plants, the intensity of light that they are getting is considerably lower, and its pretty much a waste of an HID. Here's a chart that demonstrates quite well why it is very important to use air-cooled reflectors and air conditioning so one can keep the lamp as close to the canopy as possible. 7 to 13k of lumens is nothing compared to 30 to 60k of lumens.
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Re: Decide My First Grow (moved) [Re: Sirius]
    #121590 - 09/13/08 03:49 PM (11 years, 9 days ago)

*EDIT* I only thought I was gonna give you two some good ratings....turns out I was wrong. I can't give till someone else does. But that's okay. You two have a special place in my heart and my growroom. :tongue2:


That good sir is a hot dicking of a chart. 5 for you. And 5 for justme for being mean -_-. Light could be a problem. Mainly cause it's the room I sleep in and there is a very large window in one wall. What may occur is that I just panda film off that section and vent to the closet/rest of room with the door open like you said Sirius. Was even contemplating running ducting across my ceiling from the AC vent the the closet but discarded it as being too extravagant and a little obvious.

All right. My determination has been tested in the fires of doubt, self-recrimination, and justme. Time for the real test of mettle...I need recommendations on lights and whether I should go so far as to invest/make a cool tube. I know they kick ass but again, space is an issue. You now have 1'x4'x6'h to work with. Fuck you lower shelf!

Ordered some other stuff from them and they're cheap and very helpful. Didn't get my stuff for like 2.5 weeks and called them up bitching about a refund. They helped me find it at my stupid apt office cause they misspelled my last name :smile:.

http://www.discount-hydro.com/dept.php?navid=2


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Re: Decide My First Grow (moved) [Re: BlargIAmDead]
    #121630 - 09/13/08 07:28 PM (11 years, 8 days ago)

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*EDIT* I only thought I was gonna give you two some good ratings....turns out I was wrong. I can't give till someone else does. But that's okay. You two have a special place in my heart and my growroom. :tongue2:




Nah, the problem you were having is that you already gave us a rating, so it wouldn't let you do it again. All you could do with it is edit it, or delete it and then make a new one. :wink:

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Light could be a problem. Mainly cause it's the room I sleep in and there is a very large window in one wall. What may occur is that I just panda film off that section and vent to the closet/rest of room with the door open like you said Sirius. Was even contemplating running ducting across my ceiling from the AC vent the the closet but discarded it as being too extravagant and a little obvious.




You could also panda film the door way, and use the whole closet for growing. :wink:

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I need recommendations on lights and whether I should go so far as to invest/make a cool tube. I know they kick ass but again, space is an issue. You now have 1'x4'x6'h to work with. Fuck you lower shelf!




I'd really hate to recommend going with a 600 watt HPS and it just creating too much heat for your situation. If you can pull air conditioned air into the grow room from your room, this would help, but a problem might be that it will require cooling your room down too low for your own comfort. I wish I could get some better information on how hot ours is getting, but I wasn't allowed to keep the plants out from underneath the cool-tube long enough to really determine. I do know that the ambient temperature before the light turned on was 23.5C/74F, and that it had reached 30C/86F eight inches underneath the lamp. This was with the air conditioner off and the 215cfm extractor fan sucking air out from the cool-tube. I suspect that the temperature would have risen more than that, but it did look like it was stabilizing.

I can say, though, that if you're only going to have four square feet of floor space, a 600 watt HPS will be more than what you'll need as far as light is concerned, since a 600 watt in a square meter is more than optimal. Also, you mention space is an issue, but a cool-tube isn't going to take up any more space than your lamp was going to take up anyways, and it'd definitely be necessary to help keep your temperatures down.

I'd still suggest finding a way to cool the room down and go with a 600 watt though. :grin:


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Re: Decide My First Grow (moved) [Re: Sirius]
    #122006 - 09/14/08 04:45 PM (11 years, 8 days ago)

I refuse to put a 600W light in my closet after what you said in the beginning of your grow log :P. You said you tried to put the light with cool tube in a cabinet that is 1x.5x2h meters which if basic math serves me comes out to about a 1m^3. I have 1'x4'x6'h which if google conversions serves me comes out to 0.679604318 m^3. You've already attempted this feat and proved it to be a losing battle. I say GOOD DAY SIR! :smile:

Might have swallow my pride and manly desires to have the largest phallic object I can, and just resign to a 400 or 250 HPS. Sucky thing is that it's hard to find a decent bulb. All they have is the Kroger brand of HPS:mad2:.

Also, I have a 4 ft^2 footprint. If I put a 400W in there....that's 100W/ft^2. That's pretty much double the standard 50W/ft^2. I think the 250 will be fine for now. If and when I build a larger grow room I'll come back you with hat in hand. :wink:


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Re: Decide My First Grow (moved) [Re: BlargIAmDead]
    #122133 - 09/14/08 07:45 PM (11 years, 7 days ago)

Hey now, I was saying that a 600 watt would be too much for that small of a space. I was advocating using the whole closet. :grin:

Personally, I'd go with the 400 watt HPS, considering what the standard is, and help make up for the small amount of plants you'll be growing with a bigger yield. Of course, there is still the question of heat.  250 watts is definitely your safe bet though. Nothing worse than struggling to find ways to manage too much heat - fought that for weeks. I'm sure, eventually, you'll be boxing in a window A/C and running that whole closet. :smirk:

Now that you've settled that, let's move onto the fun part: what kind of genetics are you leaning towards? :ganja:

I've noticed you were looking for a more indica dominant strain, but do enjoy sativas and were wondering about flipping to 12/12 early. You shouldn't have a problem with this, so definitely consider sativa-leaning plants an option. It sounds like you're willing to invest, but not looking for anything crazy expensive. While I haven't personally grown them, Paradise Seeds is said to have some great strains that are a little cheaper ($50-80). Same thing goes for Chimera. We're looking forward to try out Mental Floss. If you're willing to spend around $100, then most breeder's stuff is available to you, Sensi, Mr. Nice, Serious, Sagarmatha...

Really, though, what kind of stuff are you looking for? :jah:


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Re: Decide My First Grow (moved) [Re: Sirius]
    #122189 - 09/14/08 09:27 PM (11 years, 7 days ago)

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Really, though, what kind of stuff are you looking for? :jah:




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Re: Decide My First Grow (moved) [Re: just me]
    #122451 - 09/15/08 03:11 AM (11 years, 7 days ago)

Well I was decided on LowRyder for a bit but that is one point of the experiment that I hadn't thought about any more till now. Thanks for remindin' me Sirius. And why don't YOU provide some genetics justme :laugh:?....Not those kind of genetics, put it back in your pants -_-.

I've heard good things about Green House Seeds and then I've heard some people call them pretty much scam artists. Regularly troll seedbay. Will look into those other seed places for sure.

Put some stuff together on and looks like for a nice cool tube, electric ballast, and bulb it's gonna be about 300 bucks +shipping from CA.


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    #122506 - 09/15/08 09:30 AM (11 years, 7 days ago)

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Well I was decided on LowRyder for a bit but that is one point of the experiment that I hadn't thought about any more till now.




I'd definitely recommend trying something other than Lowryder.... unless its a really good cross with something else, it just isn't going to be so potent, and its not like you'll be playing around with strict limitations on what to grow...

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I've heard good things about Green House Seeds and then I've heard some people call them pretty much scam artists. Regularly troll seedbay. Will look into those other seed places for sure.




There's nothing really wrong with Greenhouse Seeds. The Greenhouse haters are just snobs that are used to having elite cuts and spend all their time hitting refresh on Seedbay to buy whatever $300 rarity drops, collectors basically. They kind of lose sight of the fact that, even though Greenhouse's strains might not be the best, it isn't as though they aren't really good. Most of them disagree with their business model, anyways.

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Put some stuff together on and looks like for a nice cool tube, electric ballast, and bulb it's gonna be about 300 bucks +shipping from CA.




When you say electric ballast, do you mean a regular, magnetic coil one, or one of those electronic ballasts? If you're on a more limited budget, I'd suggest just going with the old fashioned magnetic ballasts. They are twice as expensive and tried and true. Digital ballasts are definitely a step up, but it isn't as though they are that great.


Anyways, you mentioned trolling Seedbay, so I'm compelled to point out one of the best deals you'll be able to find around right now. Check out the listings for Reservoir Seeds, and notice the Double Strawberry Diesel for $39. Probably the best genetics you'll find at that price, basically because he produced a hell of a lot of seeds.... But don't take my word for it... :smirk:

















You definitely can't go wrong with Rez's stuff. :jah:


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    #122527 - 09/15/08 12:25 PM (11 years, 7 days ago)

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Well I was decided on LowRyder for a bit but that is one point of the experiment that I hadn't thought about any more till now.




I'd definitely recommend trying something other than Lowryder.... unless its a really good cross with something else, it just isn't going to be so potent, and its not like you'll be playing around with strict limitations on what to grow...






ditto. youve got space. utilize it


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Re: Decide My First Grow (moved) [Re: just me]
    #122620 - 09/15/08 04:34 PM (11 years, 7 days ago)

Here's the beast I was looking at. Also, they sell a 270W decent light with the 250W ballast as a kinda kit. You think it'd be okay to stick the 270 in the 250?

http://www.discount-hydro.com/productdisp.php?pid=490&navid=44

Again, doing it mainly for the heat concerns. If it can give me less heat and last longer like it claims I'll shell out the extra 50 bucks or so.

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    #122723 - 09/15/08 10:11 PM (11 years, 6 days ago)

270 is too much for a 250 ballast. You can only use 250 or less with wattage.


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    #122792 - 09/16/08 01:06 AM (11 years, 6 days ago)

See I woulda guessed the other way. You could use a larger bulb in a smaller ballast but it would run inefficiently. Whereas if you have a small bulb in a big ballast it's liable to splode.


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    #122893 - 09/16/08 05:13 AM (11 years, 6 days ago)

BOOOOM


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    #122961 - 09/16/08 02:00 PM (11 years, 6 days ago)

Anyone with some hard and fast knowledge on the matter want to weigh in?

Can a 270W bulb be put into a 250W ballast with any problems?

Can a 250W bulb be put into a 270W ballast with any problems? (I know this one is kinda farfetched but it's for theoretically purposes only)

From this site: http://www.businesslights.com/super-agro-270w-hps-mogul-base-grow-bulb-p-1683.html

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Super Agro 270 Watt HPS grow bulb

    * ED18 bulb with brass plated mogul base
    * Operates on S50 250W HPS ballast
    * Universal operating position
    * Produces 29,500 initial lumens for flowering, and fruiting growth
    * Improved spectral distribution
    * 1-year lamp warranty




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Re: Decide My First Grow (moved) [Re: BlargIAmDead]
    #123065 - 09/16/08 06:32 PM (11 years, 5 days ago)

I'm sure it works fine; I know things can be stretched in product descriptions and everything, but I don't think that is one of them. Anyways, I've never even heard of a 270 watt HPS ballast, but I guess I've never really looked for one. :lol:


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    #123091 - 09/16/08 09:02 PM (11 years, 5 days ago)

well have you ever put a 100 watt bulb in a socket rated to 40 watts? there you might get a boom or fire.
the warnings say use the listed wattage or lower.


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    #124332 - 09/21/08 12:59 AM (11 years, 1 day ago)

Alright. This thread is just about wrapped up. I ordered a 250W Lumatek ballast, a light pipe cool tube reflector (which I'll have to wire myself, wish me luck), a 250W Hortilux enhanced spectrum HPS light, and a 6" vortex fan which will be showing up next week. Went ahead and ordered through a local hydro store. Figured I'd support my local stoners instead of giving those CA bastards my money with their dank-medical-kind-nugs.....bastiches. :shakefist:  :smile:

I also went ahead with Sirius' advice and got the Double Strawberry Diesel off Seedbay. Will mail out the letter on Monday. Anyone know how much postage needs to be on it going from the US to England? Do I actually have to go in and get them to put postage on it? Or should I just stick 4 or 5 stamps and hope?

I have in my possession:
  • 2 bags of Fox Farm Ocean Forest
  • 1 small bag of blood meal
  • 25' of 6" aluminum  ducting (found it at the Despot. Was ecstatic)
  • three 3 gallon pots
  • 15'x10' of Panda Film
  • BC 3 part nutes (Boost/Grow/Bloom)
  • 1 bottle of SuperThrive (again courtesy of the Despot)
  • 1 roll of Duck Tape (for hanging the Panda film. Anyone had any problems with Duck Tape not being enough?)
  • And about 3 grams of DMT to make the wait shorter >.>


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    #124388 - 09/21/08 04:57 AM (11 years, 1 day ago)

i like ocean forest.

this is my first year using it. plants seem to dig it


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    #124419 - 09/21/08 08:58 AM (11 years, 1 day ago)

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Do I actually have to go in and get them to put postage on it? Or should I just stick 4 or 5 stamps and hope?




I'm sure you could find rates on their website. :wink:

If you send overnight, you'll get another set of freebies to help cover the cost. Sending some kind of express though, something with a confirmation number, is really the way to go. It would really suck to have that stuff go missing, especially since if it doesn't get there in two weeks, you don't get those seeds. :shrug:

I'm really looking forward to seeing you get everything put together. :yesnod:


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    #132765 - 10/15/08 05:23 PM (10 years, 11 months ago)

Sorry to bump an old thread. But I'm also thinking about using an aerogarden. I was wondering what setting would be best. The only reason I am using the aerogarden is because i don't really have much space at all. So I figured it may be the best way to go.


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    #134774 - 10/20/08 05:42 PM (10 years, 10 months ago)

Well I've seen an aerogarden in person....not really what you wanna use. If you want to do Deep Water Culture (which is what the aerogarden basically is) look up DWC buckets. Use a bubbler and 5 gallon bucket. Get a large net pot. Fill with hydroton. Put 5-10 seedlings in rockwool cubes into the hydroton and water until the roots reach the water. Weed the males. Flower. Presto...Pot.


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