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OfflineMr. Hands
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Smell problems
    #184217 - 01/18/09 04:30 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

I have a nice charcoal filter running 24/7 (cost $350).  I have a nice ozone generator that kicks on every 30 minutes (cost $200).  I have those little Ona odor neutralizing blocks everywhere.  I have air fresheners in every room of the house.  IT STILL FUCKING REEKS.  Argh!

What should I do?  Mini ozone generators in every room of the house?  Time realeased ozone sprayer thingees?  Does anybody have any other ideas?  I'm at the end of my rope here.


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Re: Smell problems [Re: Mr. Hands]
    #184378 - 01/18/09 10:08 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

I'm bumping this because I'm curious as well.


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Re: Smell problems [Re: Mr. Hands]
    #184442 - 01/19/09 12:34 AM (12 years, 4 months ago)

What brand of charcoal filter do you have? So far you the 1st person I've read of that has had a problem with one. Everyone else has had good reviews.


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Re: Smell problems [Re: KaptKid]
    #184448 - 01/19/09 12:53 AM (12 years, 4 months ago)

Yea...How big is this grow??


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Re: Smell problems [Re: KaptKid]
    #185102 - 01/20/09 12:26 AM (12 years, 4 months ago)

Quote:

Zeplin 420 said:
What brand of charcoal filter do you have? So far you the 1st person I've read of that has had a problem with one. Everyone else has had good reviews.




It depends on a lot of things if you had an open basement and only grew in the open area around it you could possibly not have full control of odour from the charcoal filter not being able to pull all the contaminated(smelly) air through the filter. Set up properly charcoal filters are very very effective though.


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Re: Smell problems [Re: captain.koons]
    #185111 - 01/20/09 12:36 AM (12 years, 4 months ago)

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captain.koons said:
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Zeplin 420 said:
What brand of charcoal filter do you have? So far you the 1st person I've read of that has had a problem with one. Everyone else has had good reviews.




It depends on a lot of things if you had an open basement and only grew in the open area around it you could possibly not have full control of odour from the charcoal filter not being able to pull all the contaminated(smelly) air through the filter. Set up properly charcoal filters are very very effective though.




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Re: Smell problems [Re: captain.koons]
    #185237 - 01/20/09 05:21 AM (12 years, 4 months ago)

The charcoal filter is right up on the tray practically.  I am not venting the air...I am merely scrubbing.

Maybe I need a bigger one.  Ugh.  This shit is expensive.


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Re: Smell problems [Re: captain.koons]
    #185246 - 01/20/09 07:22 AM (12 years, 4 months ago)

So what your saying captain is that if I was to grow in a closet since it's a closed space I would be able to elminate the oder pretty easily?


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Re: Smell problems (moved) [Re: Mr. Hands]
    #185248 - 01/20/09 08:10 AM (12 years, 4 months ago)

This thread was moved from Hydroponic & Agroponics.

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Moved by request of original poster as well as due to it being more suitable for the main forum.


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Re: Smell problems (moved) [Re: Sirius]
    #185273 - 01/20/09 09:57 AM (12 years, 4 months ago)

contain your space, get a fan big enough to control air in that space, send scrubbed air outside. problem solved.

you're either doing something wrong or your grow is too big for your fan/filter


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Re: Smell problems [Re: Mr. Hands]
    #185276 - 01/20/09 10:09 AM (12 years, 4 months ago)

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Mr. Hands said:
The charcoal filter is right up on the tray practically.  I am not venting the air...I am merely scrubbing.

Maybe I need a bigger one.  Ugh.  This shit is expensive.




how many plants, what strain, how big of an area? I had 2meters squared of cheese, strawberry diesel, some other ranom crap and I didn't have any problems using a DIY scrubber.


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Re: Smell problems [Re: captain.koons]
    #185594 - 01/20/09 07:39 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

My room is big (12 feet wide, thirty feet long, six feet tall).  I have two trays that measure 40 inch by 40 inch each.  So, the total area taken up by my tomatos and peppers is 80 inches by 40 inches.

I have a 75 watt fan on top of a 12 inch wide and 18 inch tall charcoal filter cylinder.  This setup is sitting at tray level right next to both trays.  Supposedly, this fan and filter are able to clean hundreds of square feet (my ass...).  Up until this point I was merely scrubbing (no venting).  But, I just hooked up a pipe from the fan to an external exhaust to see if it will help any.  I also made it so that my ozone generator kicks on more often.  I put away the Ona odor neutralizing blocks.  They reek almost as bad as the vegetable plants and they don't seem to do anything.  I also turned up my individual room air fresheners to full blast.  I'll give all of these changes 24 hours to take effect and I'll see what happens.

I'm keeping my fingers crossed.  If this doesn't work I might buy a huge charcoal filter and run both filters simultaneously.


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Re: Smell problems [Re: Mr. Hands]
    #186058 - 01/21/09 09:37 AM (12 years, 4 months ago)

What kind of fan and filter are you using? Is this the first grow with that filter?

I would definitely agree about trying to enclose your space, and venting outside through the filter would be the most efficient solution. If your fan and filter are adequate, you should have no problem eliminating all smell.

Let us know if your changes helped. Good luck!


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Re: Smell problems [Re: Mr. Hands]
    #186094 - 01/21/09 10:55 AM (12 years, 4 months ago)

I think it's because you have them growing in the open in such a huge space. Get yourself some poly and/or build a cabinet for them. There is no sense in having 40"X80" out in the open in such a large room. I'd say its next to impossible to contain and scrub that much air.

Negative pressure is your friend. Don't waste any more money on filters and for your own sake cut out the ozone, that shit will fuck you up.


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Re: Smell problems [Re: Dr. Penguin]
    #186151 - 01/21/09 02:06 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

Quote:

Dr. Penguin said:
What kind of fan and filter are you using? Is this the first grow with that filter?




I'm not sure.  They are pro-quality though.  They were expensive and I bought them at a hydro shop.

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Dr. Penguin said:
I would definitely agree about trying to enclose your space, and venting outside through the filter would be the most efficient solution. If your fan and filter are adequate, you should have no problem eliminating all smell.




My "room" is a basement with an irregular ceiling and ducting everywhere.  Building an airtight cabinet around the whole setup would be difficult.  Once I get some more money I might try though.  Anybody have any suggestion on what material to use and how I should construct it?  How will I avoid massive heat overload?  Two 600 watt HPS's in a tiny enclosed box will cause shit to overheat.  Also, I need to have access to the trays, lights, and such to do work on them.


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Re: Smell problems [Re: Mr. Hands]
    #186152 - 01/21/09 02:10 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

The easiest way would be to use 2"x2"'s to create a big cube with supports every 12" or so for walls. Just staple some polyfilm to the skeleton, cut some holes, and you're done. I can't see it costing more than 150$.

As for the fan and filter, I would double check when you get home what kind/size (cfm's? duct size?) they are so we can better help you out.


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Re: Smell problems [Re: irradiated]
    #186153 - 01/21/09 02:11 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

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irradiated said:
I think it's because you have them growing in the open in such a huge space.




Possibly.  As I said in my above post though it will be difficult to construct a functioning box that will encase everything.

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irradiated said:
for your own sake cut out the ozone, that shit will fuck you up.




Update:  I started venting my charcoal filter air and I now have my ozone generator on 24 hours a day.  My place no longer reeks but you still catch faint whiffs here and there.  I also smell a heavy ozone presence everywhere in the house.  The furnace is sucking it up and blowing it everywhere.  I know that this isn't healthy.  But, until I get a better setup there is not much I else I can do.

Hope I don't get lung cancer.


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Re: Smell problems [Re: Dr. Penguin]
    #186155 - 01/21/09 02:19 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

Quote:

Dr. Penguin said:
The easiest way would be to use 2"x2"'s to create a big cube with supports every 12" or so for walls. Just staple some polyfilm to the skeleton, cut some holes, and you're done. I can't see it costing more than 150$.





I will examine my area and see if this is possible.


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Re: Smell problems [Re: Mr. Hands]
    #186159 - 01/21/09 02:30 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

Check your fan ratings CFM and see if it matches your room size. If it doesn't then it will smell. You may need another fan and scrubber.


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Re: Smell problems [Re: Mr. Hands]
    #186338 - 01/21/09 08:07 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

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Mr. Hands said:Hope I don't get lung cancer.



Ozone is not carcinogenic, it does not cause cancer. However it's really bad for you and your plants.


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Re: Smell problems [Re: mhbound]
    #189129 - 01/24/09 10:10 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

Update:

After several days of running my ozone generator 24/7 and my charcoal filter 24/7 my house still reeks.  Nothing seems to help.

The official measurement of my room is 6.5 feet tall by 13 feet wide by 35 feet long.  That is a grand total of 2957.5 cubic feet.  As I said before, my trays take up 3.5 feet by 7 feet and the charcoal filter and ozone generator are right next to the trays.  As to your questions:

1.  I have no clue what the cubic feet per minute (CFM) on the charcoal filter fan is.  It doesn't say anywhere on it.  It wasn't the biggest one in the shop, but it was one of the very nice ones.  It easily weighs 40-50 pounds and was hundreds of dollars.

2.  I am unable to establish "negative pressure" around my filter and trays.  It will be impossible to build an airtight room around my setup because of the uneven dirt floor and the ducting and piping everywhere.  Unfortunately, this is not an option.

I have noticed that the vast majority of the smell is coming through the venting when the furnace turns on.  The cold air intake is right near my trays.  Basically, I think that the furnace is sucking in smelly air, heating it up, and shooting it through the house.  I am thinking of re-routing the cold air intake to an area that is away from my trays.  The only other option I can think of is to buy a massive charcoal filter that can scrub 2957.5 cubic feet.  :shrug:

Well, what do you guys think?


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Re: Smell problems [Re: Mr. Hands]
    #189260 - 01/25/09 12:05 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

could you somehow make an air filter on the intake of the furnace?  the smell would be eliminated before the air is dispersed through the house.


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Re: Smell problems [Re: Yrat]
    #189277 - 01/25/09 12:49 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

That's exactly what the problem is. You should have included that to begin with...Maybe I missed it, but that is your problem no doubt in my mind. Even if your CFM rating was proper for the size of the room that wouldn't move all of that air before the furnace did...If you get what I'm trying to say I just woke up 2 minutes ago.


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Re: Smell problems [Re: mhbound]
    #189952 - 01/27/09 12:33 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

basically your problem is you're not isolating the smell of your plants.  You're trying to filter a large volume of air with a very tiny fan and filter.  If you were to section off an area of your basement with some poly film and some 2x4's, you would have an easier time of scrubbing the air and ridding your house of the smell.


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Re: Smell problems [Re: snufkin]
    #190064 - 01/27/09 06:51 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

A very VERY and I do mean VERY cheap way to improve the workings of your scrubber would be to enclose your trays with poly reflective material and put the fan inside that and vent it out into the rest of the basement.
But it definitely sounds like you need to enclose that grow area.


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Re: Smell problems [Re: OregonMeds]
    #190065 - 01/27/09 06:52 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

I did not see the second page of this thread. I am pretty drunk. I see coda already mentioned the poly idea.

Sorry :p


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Re: Smell problems [Re: OregonMeds]
    #190720 - 01/30/09 12:19 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

Thanks for the advice guys.  I will probably attempt to enclose the trays with plastic as building an enclosed room is not feasible with all of the irregular attributes of the room.  We'll see how it works.  :fingerscrossed:


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