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Colorado Hammer
    #851268 - 10/23/21 08:08 PM (7 months, 30 days ago)

Wanted to wait til completion but i realize thatll be a long while.
In seedling stage now. Idk whats going on with middle girl there, maybe mites, maybe water droplet burn, something just shrunk the stem on it.
Some of these are older than others, been starting them in waves cautious about how hot my house soil is

If these dont run well for whatever reason, next run of these beans trying just coir and seed starter mix in smaller cups


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Re: Colorado Hammer [Re: kreg]
    #851300 - 10/25/21 01:18 PM (7 months, 28 days ago)

The middle one wilted off, so -1
The oldest ones have some slight leaf twist showing already, I bet they'll grow through it(can kinda see it first pic top right)
Just been giving them plain water mists into the soil under the leaves
Trying not to let the cups get heavy or light, just maintaining that happy moist middle til they really start drinking it in


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Re: Colorado Hammer [Re: kreg]
    #851301 - 10/25/21 01:21 PM (7 months, 28 days ago)

Thought i saw some mites or something on my soil, probably nothing but theres a sprayer with dish soap and sulphur powder in there at all times . Also kelp gets sprayed on different plants same area, hoping neither of these things hurt the babiez


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Re: Colorado Hammer [Re: kreg]
    #851392 - 10/28/21 08:53 PM (7 months, 24 days ago)

Ahh another one shared the same fate as the middle, it just started drooping then wilted in just a day
Weird shit, spryed a little more sulphur/soap around just in case mites


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Re: Colorado Hammer [Re: kreg]
    #851711 - 11/07/21 10:42 AM (7 months, 15 days ago)

Seedling stage taking forever, im thinking the pinch of house soil in the cups was too much, something!


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Re: Colorado Hammer [Re: kreg]
    #851950 - 11/13/21 04:52 PM (7 months, 9 days ago)

They seem to be running slow for whatever reason. Lightly misting Bloom Khaos (kelp) in the tent occasionally to hopefully speed them up. Trying to hold off on watering. Room needs more CO2 !


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Re: Colorado Hammer [Re: kreg]
    #852209 - 11/18/21 11:44 AM (7 months, 4 days ago)

It's felt like god mocking me all summer and fall really.
Really wish these little effers would get happy and start movin already.

Thinking maybe they need a little calmag because of the coir? Prob ph down a little too



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Re: Colorado Hammer [Re: kreg]
    #853094 - 12/03/21 12:14 PM (6 months, 20 days ago)

hmm I was thinking about uploading another pic, but they aren't very much bigger than from 2 weeks ago! They've gotten a little taller, the bottom leaves have gotten a little more yellowy, they have not formed root cirrhosis yet. Been trying to keep the waterings light, just a little bit, let them get light, repeat.
Moved one out of solo up to 1.5gal container with mostly coir but then some of my infamous house soil, it isn't dead yet but it isn't tripling in size yet either so for now leaving the rest in solos. Just going to clip off the old wilty leaves at the bottom when that happens. Just started bending them down a little


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Re: Colorado Hammer [Re: kreg]
    #853119 - 12/03/21 03:43 PM (6 months, 20 days ago)

Have you ever tried growing in just coco, with synthetic nutrients plus organic additives?  I've been playing around with a few clones in pure coco on Jacks 321, in 3 months they went from being 6 inches tall to over 7 feet, in 1 gallon pots!  I had to clone them and chop them down because they were growing past the lights in veg.


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Re: Colorado Hammer [Re: yoosername]
    #853124 - 12/03/21 05:07 PM (6 months, 20 days ago)

i have tried running in just coir + organic  nutes, but i didnt like adjusting the ph so often


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Re: Colorado Hammer [Re: kreg]
    #853136 - 12/03/21 05:59 PM (6 months, 20 days ago)



hmmm thinking they need calmag now,  right? judging by the yellowing on the edges


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Re: Colorado Hammer [Re: kreg]
    #853153 - 12/03/21 07:20 PM (6 months, 20 days ago)

I think coco is better suited for synthetics.  It's better to use peat moss for organic mixes, due in part to it's higher cation exchange capacity.  I've seen more people with problems trying to grow organically in coco than I have seen successful organic coco growers.

Honestly I think at this point you're going to be chasing your tail playing the guessing game until you either do a test on your soil mix, or start with a new mix entirely.

That endless guessing game is why I'm currently growing DTW coco with synthetic nutrients.


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Re: Colorado Hammer [Re: yoosername]
    #853156 - 12/03/21 07:23 PM (6 months, 20 days ago)

been doing new mixes, been thinking my house soil was to blame


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Re: Colorado Hammer [Re: kreg]
    #853158 - 12/03/21 08:17 PM (6 months, 19 days ago)

i just realized there actually  is another new set of leaves on all the plants, idk why for a sec there thought they hadnt moved any lol. Still going to wait just a little bit before potting the rest of them up
was talking about pasteurizing the soil with boiling water maybe, but i need some materials to do that without making a mess, like data suggested a pillow case or something to sieve it


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Re: Colorado Hammer [Re: kreg]
    #853183 - 12/04/21 09:20 AM (6 months, 19 days ago)

Yeah when I pasteurized straw I did it in a pillowcase in my pressure cooker, but I've never messed around with pasteurizing soil.

I'd bet your house soil is the problem as well.  Some people put a lot of effort into constructing soil mixes, so I'd recommend either buying a quality bagged soil or making your own based on a tried and true recipe.  Experimental mixes are fun to make, but I prefer to reserve those for outdoor test grows so I'm not wasting any electricity on potential failures.

There's also the possibility that feeding bottled organics has led to a buildup of certain nutrients, causing a nutrient toxicity in the plants.  Excess of one nutrient can cause decreased availability of others.  This is where a soil test comes in handy.


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Re: Colorado Hammer [Re: yoosername]
    #853184 - 12/04/21 09:54 AM (6 months, 19 days ago)

The house soil is just reused bag soil from previous harvested plants, which was started all from same bag brands.
I'm not anti soil testing, just the best I can afford to do is a slurry test and I don't think that'll give anyone any definitive info. Last time I did one ppms and ph looked normal, been in the same trials since then of early veggies + soil + water.
Picked another cluster of coprinids out of the house soil container last night, really thinking it's fungal. Just on a whim sprayed soap/sulphur over the top layer of the container, idk figured a shoebox would hate that right.


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Re: Colorado Hammer [Re: kreg]
    #853186 - 12/04/21 11:21 AM (6 months, 19 days ago)

Data mentioned that sulfur will affect the pH, IIRC someone on another forum was mixing micronized sulfur into their soil to counteract the alkalinity of their water source. Sulfur plus water and oxygen = sulfuric acid.

I'm thinking a trichoderma inoculant could be useful if it is a fungal pathogen.


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Re: Colorado Hammer [Re: yoosername]
    #853187 - 12/04/21 12:23 PM (6 months, 19 days ago)

That doesnt sound too bad though, using coir and in early veg you want a ph around  6 anyway right?
i suppose using higher ph water wouldn't help though later on after flip in that case though... no?
i grow cubensis very close to my plants, i have zero faith in intentionally cultivating trich haha,  unless im super mistaken about how itll spread


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Re: Colorado Hammer [Re: kreg]
    #853189 - 12/04/21 01:11 PM (6 months, 19 days ago)

When running synthetics in coco, I pH to around 5.6-6.2.  With an organic soilless mixture like yours, you'd want to be in the 6.2-6.8 range from what I've read.

I never had much luck growing shrooms in the same room as my grow, probably too many spores.


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Re: Colorado Hammer [Re: yoosername]
    #853190 - 12/04/21 01:44 PM (6 months, 19 days ago)

Well the first one transferred out of solo cup pictured in the 1.5 gal is still alive.. it seems happy I suppose, it's not pushing out new nodes yet, it's doing plant stuff though. I'm worried about the solos, the lower leaves keep wilting off like how the cotes are supposed to do... I forgot if that's normal or not something tells me no. They still don't have any root cirrhosis just barely reaching the bottom of the cups


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Re: Colorado Hammer [Re: kreg]
    #853195 - 12/04/21 06:13 PM (6 months, 19 days ago)

Bottom leaves yellowing, shriveling up, and dying is what you see when the plant is cannibalizing itself.  It still wants to grow, but it doesn't have the nutrients it needs, so it sucks them out of the leaves to stay alive.  I see it all the time in organics and when cloning, but in my coco hydro garden the only leaves that shrivel are the ones that I pluck off.


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Re: Colorado Hammer [Re: yoosername]
    #853196 - 12/04/21 06:24 PM (6 months, 19 days ago)

Hmm.... i suppose i could take that as a sign to uppot them sooner than later


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Re: Colorado Hammer [Re: kreg]
    #853232 - 12/06/21 10:29 AM (6 months, 17 days ago)

Just uppotted another one, the first one is still looking OK.

I think for the next ones I'm going to try loading the pot with the soil, pasteurizing it in the pot, in a bucket, with boiling water, just pour it out through the drainage out of the bucket... maybe thatll work.. I keep forgetting to pick up a pillowcase


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Re: Colorado Hammer [Re: kreg]
    #853362 - 12/09/21 06:56 PM (6 months, 14 days ago)

Because I am a defiant illiterate moron incapable of following instructions and learning I've uppotted another one of the hammers, this one did have cirrhosis, but I did not pasteurize the soil for this one either so I'm past the point of using a control in my experiment unless I do a control "group" instead of one variable...
anyway the others are eh.... I suppose I am over watering not under, the new leaves are looking happy, old wilty, making me think it's a little over charged not under, but definitely not locked thank god.

I wish I could fucking slap every person that told me early on these plants love taking in massive amounts of food. No the fuck they don't. Even if you apply things to make them hungrier theyre still going to go as slow as any other damn plant. Bastards trying to push nute sales :crankey:
While checking the roots in the other solos I noticed a little earth worm in one of them, that must be a good sign.. plucked it out just in case don't want it eatin mah roots.


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Re: Colorado Hammer [Re: kreg]
    #853619 - 12/14/21 10:44 AM (6 months, 9 days ago)

started training a few days ago on the leggy ones, theyre loving it


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Re: Colorado Hammer [Re: kreg]
    #854279 - 12/22/21 03:59 PM (6 months, 1 day ago)

Update time:
Uppotted hammer no1 seems stunted, older leaves keep yellowing off, isn't drinking much water. I'm going to try not watering it for as long as I can, I'm thinking fungal.
Uppotted hammer no2 is outrunning the tent, fimmed it at the top, I'm thinking about doing some sort of modular scrog with it (thanks for the recommendation sugabear!)
Uppotted hammer no3 seems to have a mutation of some sort + stunted. Idk exactly what mutation but it is forming nodes, the leaves are growing like nautilus shells, I'm going to treat it same as no1

going to spray a little kelp (bloom khaos) in the tent now


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Re: Colorado Hammer [Re: kreg]
    #854342 - 12/23/21 07:34 PM (5 months, 30 days ago)

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Re: Colorado Hammer [Re: ares]
    #854347 - 12/23/21 09:40 PM (5 months, 30 days ago)

from the scrog debate thread sparked a good idea for modular sog'in

stay tuned yall more to come. No2 is really killin it


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Re: Colorado Hammer [Re: kreg]
    #854408 - 12/25/21 11:19 AM (5 months, 29 days ago)

Fimming No2 was a good call she's already nodein' out a little. I still haven't tied down No1 or potted up the remainder in solos. Seeing that No1 is being weird I'm thinking I'll notice a difference in growth after using pasteurized soil


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Re: Colorado Hammer [Re: kreg]
    #854554 - 12/31/21 01:43 PM (5 months, 23 days ago)

alright alright alright I'm about to pasteurize soil for the rest of the hammers. Everyone my apologies for asking about the issue and then not applying your advice right away! Sometimes I'm a little hesitant ahaha. Hammer pics update incoming


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    #854555 - 12/31/21 01:46 PM (5 months, 23 days ago)

No2 is done being small and cute!


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Re: Colorado Hammer [Re: kreg]
    #854750 - 01/07/22 03:26 AM (5 months, 16 days ago)

Just fim'd No1. I need a new tomato cage to slice down into a net thing real soon. These bitches LOVE bloom khaos kelp spray!!!!



No3 is DEFINITELY some kind of mutant, more to come!


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Re: Colorado Hammer [Re: kreg]
    #855204 - 01/28/22 02:03 PM (4 months, 26 days ago)

Looking gorgeous!!!


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Re: Colorado Hammer [Re: Adustus]
    #855227 - 01/28/22 10:57 PM (4 months, 25 days ago)

Hmm theyre not as green anymore but theyve definitely grown . Theyre all loving the training

will do tea next watering. been sprayimg calmag and kelp
the idea of feeding bottled nitrogen ever again makes me feel so nervous...


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Re: Colorado Hammer [Re: kreg]
    #855459 - 02/05/22 07:47 PM (4 months, 17 days ago)

I almost totally forgot about pH. I believe the soil probably built up some salt by now. Last couple waterings added Herculean Harvest, about 1tbsp to 1gal water to bring it down some. Still been foliar feeding the calmag and kelp. I top dressed them all with some Ocean Forest I had sitting around all year.
          I feel like the dumbest person to ever grow weed I really still cant believe me first few seasons were better than where I'm at now lol oh well thankful to still be going at all!


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Re: Colorado Hammer [Re: kreg]
    #855858 - 03/12/22 06:24 AM (3 months, 14 days ago)

Really not a whole lot of growth since last time, granted like double in size but should be bigger. I suppose I should have started feeding early. Whatever theyre alive and not nute locked. In fact im about to flip them very soon.


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Re: Colorado Hammer [Re: kreg]
    #855861 - 03/12/22 10:24 AM (3 months, 14 days ago)

I flipped mine about 25 days ago, taking them to day 70.

Hope your garden finishes strong!  They sure are taking their sweet time :pipesmoke2:


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    #855862 - 03/12/22 10:46 AM (3 months, 14 days ago)

Right on, thank you, you too! I have a feeling theyre about to speed up a lot


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Re: Colorado Hammer [Re: kreg]
    #855936 - 03/26/22 01:18 PM (3 months, 7 hours ago)

Seems no1 and 2 were males....... or maybe they were about to spit out a ton of leaves.... either way they're both dead now huehue. No3 is definitely female or at least she definitely has female preflower bract stuff going. Here's what No1 and 2 were doing:


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Re: Colorado Hammer [Re: kreg]
    #856025 - 04/03/22 11:07 AM (2 months, 23 days ago)

OK now the one I didn't kill also has some little spots like that- it's been so long I just can't damn remember. I'm going to assume that theyre new leaves coming in and then i'm going to feel sad that I killed the other 2 rip :frown:


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Re: Colorado Hammer [Re: kreg]
    #856027 - 04/03/22 12:28 PM (2 months, 23 days ago)

That pic you posted was def a male, I wouldn't feel too bad about killing it.  Does suck if all three turned out male though, I suppose that's why people like feminized seed so much.

Do you at least have more beans to pop?


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Re: Colorado Hammer [Re: kreg]
    #856028 - 04/03/22 01:22 PM (2 months, 23 days ago)

Ah, so all 3 are done then ahahaha. Oh well. I still might throw this one outside if I can time everything right, still frosts outside and it hasnt opened sacs yet either.  Yeah I do have some fems. This whole year has been damage control really, for a while before that I had a couple people feeding me terrible advice (they didn't even grow they were buying adult plants from other people) and I kept wondering why my shit was dying aha. 
                  All 3 of these making it this far makes me feel a lot safer to start my Ethos fems I've had hidden up my butt all these years :3 (mandarin cookies)


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    #856029 - 04/03/22 02:28 PM (2 months, 23 days ago)

Those mandarin cookies should be good, hopefully you'll be giving them the royal treatment :rofl:

I had a pack of peach crescendo regs that I popped most of, and ended up culling the females I got before making it through the first 2 weeks of flower.  IIRC, I was battling aphids and thrips at the time.  I still have 4 seeds left, hoping for something peachy.


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