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OfflineA To The K
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House and Garden Coco
    #760592 - 12/06/14 10:19 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

So I have the full line of House and Garden and some coco. Starting a seedling, not a cutting.

I'd like her to get a solid start, since that always seems to be my biggest issue in coir (slow start). I'm always reluctant to feed a tiny seedling because I'm used to growing in FFOF which doesn't need food for quite some time.

I'm germinating the seed until I see root pop, and then moving it to a 2x2 rockwool cube (for stability, because coir doesn't really provide a decent standing base for a trying seedling) until it pokes out, and then into a cup of coir.

I've heard of people soaking their rockwool in a root accelerator, I have H&G Roots Excelurator, and their website recommends feeding it to seedlings and cuttings  http://www.house-garden.us/roots-excelurator on the product page.

When does a plant stop being a "seedling" - 3 nodes? When the cotes fall off?

I'm probably going to swap this over to FFOF and keep it as a mother anyway, but it'll be a few weeks before I get to the hydro store.


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Re: House and Garden Coco [Re: A To The K]
    #760647 - 12/06/14 01:03 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

I germinate then plant my popped seeds directly to a solo cup of coco that has been pre-fed with 400PPM Canna A&B. Ive never had a need for rockwool. Ive tried planting directly to coco with no nutes at all but the results weren't near as good...they took forever to develop.

For your question, I believe most consider a plant no longer a seedling once it develops its first set of true leaves.


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Re: House and Garden Coco [Re: bEelzeBosS]
    #760667 - 12/06/14 03:25 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

What do you guys do to prepare you coco? I have a cocotek brick that clones are going into. I obviously have to expand it and flush the shit out of it. But then do you get nute it with a low ppm solution? How much of the solution do you run through the coco to actually "charge" it?


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Re: House and Garden Coco [Re: webster10]
    #760672 - 12/06/14 03:39 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

When using bricks I expand and flush the shit out of them like you said, then I fill my planting containers, treat with mycorrhizae (Great White) and let them sit for a few days, then feed them 400PPM Canna A&B just until it starts to runoff. I usually wait a day or two before planting after that but not always. That may be too strong with other brands but Ive found 400PPM is perfect for starting clones and seedlings with Canna nutes.


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Re: House and Garden Coco [Re: bEelzeBosS]
    #761026 - 12/09/14 09:47 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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bEelzeBosS said:
When using bricks I expand and flush the shit out of them like you said, then I fill my planting containers, treat with mycorrhizae (Great White) and let them sit for a few days, then feed them 400PPM Canna A&B just until it starts to runoff. I usually wait a day or two before planting after that but not always. That may be too strong with other brands but Ive found 400PPM is perfect for starting clones and seedlings with Canna nutes.




Don't forget to add Canna Rhizotonic along with the Canna A&B.  5.6 ml/gal each A&B, 15.6 ml/gal Rhizo.


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Re: House and Garden Coco [Re: GoonerHeClips]
    #761044 - 12/09/14 11:13 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

You'll need to add some Ca/Mg to the coco, that's how Gen Hydro recommends treating it.


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Re: House and Garden Coco [Re: phychotron]
    #761090 - 12/09/14 03:26 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

^^Ive never done either but still have had great results with no deficiencies. I thought about using Cal Mag but the Canna nutes have plenty of both. Ive never even heard of Canna Rhizotonic.


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Re: House and Garden Coco [Re: bEelzeBosS]
    #761119 - 12/09/14 08:23 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Even Canna tells you that you need to treat the coco first before using it. If its been treated, like the bag coco, it should be fine as there is a Ca/Mg interaction with the coco, and it also displaces other salts that have taken residency in those micro-pores the Ca-Mg uses.


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Re: House and Garden Coco [Re: phychotron]
    #761129 - 12/09/14 09:34 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Im not saying you shouldn't, I just never have...and haven't had any problems.


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