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Obama or Romney??
    #631660 - 07/14/12 08:16 PM (7 years, 8 months ago)

Americans, who are you going to vote for? Who do you think will win?

Why do you support the candidate that you do? What are the viewpoints that you most strongly agree with, or disagree with on the opposition?


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Re: Obama or Romney?? [Re: Picklez] * 1
    #631661 - 07/14/12 08:18 PM (7 years, 8 months ago)

Who ever wins is going to sell us out.


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Re: Obama or Romney?? [Re: KaptKid]
    #631663 - 07/14/12 08:44 PM (7 years, 8 months ago)

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KaptKid said:
Who ever wins is going to sell us out.






change is a illusion


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Re: Obama or Romney?? [Re: P-O]
    #631664 - 07/14/12 08:47 PM (7 years, 8 months ago)

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PositiveOutlook said:
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KaptKid said:
Who ever wins is going to sell us out.






change is a illusion



Yes it is.


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Re: Obama or Romney?? [Re: Picklez]
    #631665 - 07/14/12 08:53 PM (7 years, 8 months ago)

Hmmm...

2 replies, 2 fails


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Re: Obama or Romney?? [Re: Picklez]
    #631666 - 07/14/12 09:09 PM (7 years, 8 months ago)

Just because you have a crush on romney... dont make us wrong


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Re: Obama or Romney?? [Re: P-O]
    #631667 - 07/14/12 09:11 PM (7 years, 8 months ago)

Um what?

I am not a Romney supporter


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Re: Obama or Romney?? [Re: Picklez]
    #631668 - 07/14/12 09:18 PM (7 years, 8 months ago)

mitt romney is too ridiculous to be real.

that being said, if you're going to fucking lie to me, at least make me believe it. which is why im voting obama, AGAIN.


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Re: Obama or Romney?? [Re: Pilze]
    #631672 - 07/14/12 09:48 PM (7 years, 8 months ago)



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Re: Obama or Romney?? [Re: Picklez]
    #631674 - 07/14/12 10:00 PM (7 years, 8 months ago)

I'm going to vote for Obama but I truly don't think it matters that much. Money => Lobbying => Legislation. That's all that matters at the end of the day.

I think that Obama will win but the race won't be such a landslide like it was between Obama and McCain.


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Re: Obama or Romney?? [Re: Picklez]
    #631675 - 07/14/12 10:00 PM (7 years, 8 months ago)

All I'm going to say on this topic is in my opinion neither, write in Stoneth.

But anyone who wants another four years of Obama is a complete retard.
He has destroyed the US economy and it'll take at least four more years to correct it.  Actually I bet it take much much more time to fix all the fucked up shit.

Who do I think will win Obama because most American's aren't smart enough to see what's right in front of them.  Obama hasn't done one thing he said in his first campaign, and to this day continues to lie to the American people he works for.


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Re: Obama or Romney?? [Re: Stoneth] * 1
    #631685 - 07/14/12 10:35 PM (7 years, 8 months ago)

I'm not voting.


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Re: Obama or Romney?? [Re: Stoneth] * 1
    #631686 - 07/14/12 10:42 PM (7 years, 8 months ago)

Sence Frank Zappa 's dead. I'll write you in.:rofl:


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Re: Obama or Romney?? [Re: Stoneth]
    #631690 - 07/14/12 10:58 PM (7 years, 8 months ago)

Obama has actually done very well considering the circumstances when he took over office

Obama succeeding in getting a national healthcare program which now covers children on their parents healthcare until 26 years old.  He eliminated the ability of insurance companies to refuse coverage due to "pre-existing conditions," and has allowed millions and millions of Americans who previously were uncovered, to now have healthcare

He also succeeded in saving the Auto industry. In the midst of it's collapse he managed to bailout GM and Ford, saved thousands of jobs, and revived the American car industry, as well as increasing the MPG, fuel economy bill, which requires manufacturers to increase fuel efficiency on all new vehicles.

Also captured/ killed Osama Bin Laden

And finally, off the top of my head, he has also managed to decrease the national unemployment rate. I believe the current unemployment rate is the lowest (or close to) the lowest since he entered office.

Fuel prices have also decreased slightly and seem to be holding


I think he is flawed but I think he is a better option than Romney.


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Re: Obama or Romney?? [Re: KaptKid] * 2
    #631692 - 07/14/12 11:01 PM (7 years, 8 months ago)

I would do great things for this country and it's people.


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Re: Obama or Romney?? [Re: Picklez] * 1
    #631693 - 07/14/12 11:03 PM (7 years, 8 months ago)

I really don't care wins, I will still be riding the :failboat: either way lol.  :hook:


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Re: Obama or Romney?? [Re: Picklez]
    #631694 - 07/14/12 11:05 PM (7 years, 8 months ago)

"Affordable Healthcare Act" is corporate welfare.

Saving the auto industry was corporate welfare

Killing Bin Laden, plus countless innocent civilians in his continued war on terror.

Obama has nothing to do with the fuel price or unemployment rate.

So yeah, we killed one guy that may have been responsible for 3000 deaths and only had to start World War 3 to do it.

The system works.


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Re: Obama or Romney?? [Re: DungenessDank]
    #631695 - 07/14/12 11:07 PM (7 years, 8 months ago)



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Re: Obama or Romney?? [Re: KatPhish-John]
    #631696 - 07/14/12 11:11 PM (7 years, 8 months ago)

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I really don't care wins, I will still be riding the :failboat: either way lol.  :hook:



I hate the term "go with the flow" but sometimes(alot of times) we have no control.


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Re: Obama or Romney?? [Re: DungenessDank]
    #631698 - 07/14/12 11:25 PM (7 years, 8 months ago)

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"Affordable Healthcare Act" is corporate welfare.

Saving the auto industry was corporate welfare

Killing Bin Laden, plus countless innocent civilians in his continued war on terror.

Obama has nothing to do with the fuel price or unemployment rate.

So yeah, we killed one guy that may have been responsible for 3000 deaths and only had to start World War 3 to do it.

The system works.




Without him bailing out the auto industry and the banking industry our country would be in much worse shape than it is today

Obama wasnt in office when we started the war with Iraq/ Afghanistan, so you cant put that on him, but he has certainly done a much better job as Commander in Chief than George Bush did. He has essentially helped bring this war to a close. While there is still fighting on the ground, he has lived up to his pledge to withdrawal all combat troops.

And of course Obama has a lot to do with the unemployment rate


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Re: Obama or Romney?? [Re: Picklez]
    #631699 - 07/14/12 11:26 PM (7 years, 8 months ago)

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Obama succeeding in getting a national healthcare program which now covers children on their parents healthcare until 26 years old.  He eliminated the ability of insurance companies to refuse coverage due to "pre-existing conditions," and has allowed millions and millions of Americans who previously were uncovered, to now have healthcare




:lol:
Look deeper into this.  It's a tax that will take most middle class families down to the lower class life style.  It averages out to about 2400 bucks a year on an income of 30000.  That's real money.
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He also succeeded in saving the Auto industry. In the midst of it's collapse he managed to bailout GM and Ford, saved thousands of jobs, and revived the American car industry,



That's about the only good thing he's done.
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as well as increasing the MPG, fuel economy bill, which requires manufacturers to increase fuel efficiency on all new vehicles.



:lol:
Just words my friend.  This isn't happening, and most cars are advertized with a higher MPG than they really get.
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Seals team seven did this, he just made an announcement.
Give the credit where it's do please.
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And finally, off the top of my head, he has also managed to decrease the national unemployment rate. I believe the current unemployment rate is the lowest (or close to) the lowest since he entered office.



Once again :lol:.
These number the media speak of are fake.
Yes the unemployment numbers are low, their benefits ran out and are now on well-fare.  And since you like his numbers so well, you should mention the welfare rate is higher than ever in American history, and still on the rise btw.
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Fuel prices have also decreased slightly and seem to be holding



The stock market and oil companies control this.
And as of yesterday, prices are back on the rise.

I don't like either choice honestly.
But at the current rate the national debt is rising, the last thing we need is a Democrat in office.


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Re: Obama or Romney?? [Re: Picklez]
    #631700 - 07/14/12 11:35 PM (7 years, 8 months ago)

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He has essentially helped bring this war to a close. While there is still fighting on the ground, he has lived up to his pledge to withdrawal all combat troops.



This is a media smoke screen.  Go figure on a election year.:smirk:
I have family who was just shipped over there.
Special forces units out of NC fort bragg are being shipped as well.
These guys weren't trained to play in the sand, they're on a mission.


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Re: Obama or Romney?? [Re: Stoneth]
    #631701 - 07/14/12 11:38 PM (7 years, 8 months ago)

The Affordable Healthcare act doesnt implement a tax on the middle-class at all.. How did you come up with that?

For people who already have health insurance, nothing changes at all.

For people who dont have healthcare, it allows them to buy into the gov't healthcare at a cheaper rate than insurance companies charge

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Vehicles are certainly starting to get higher and higher MPG. And those numbers are accurate because they have to be. There are optimal MPG and average MPG, they are two different figures.

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Seals Team 7 carried out the operation, but it was Obama who made the choice on the intel, whether or not to take him out. Ive read a shit ton about the actual operation and Obama played a very key role in the mission. He actually made sure there was the third chopper there which ended up being crucial since one copter was unable to be flown away from the operation and had to be blown up.

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I dont keep track of the welfare rate so I cant speak on that, but unemployment is certainly going down, and the economy does appear to be getting better. More jobs are becoming available, and incentives are being provided for new-hires.

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Obama isnt perfect but I really do feel like he is doing the best job he could possibly be doing based on the economic situation when he first took office. And I feel optimistic about the future.

I do agree that him being a democrat has led to an increase in the national debt, but we had to start somewhere to dig out, and I think his new tax (extension of some of the George Bush tax cuts) will help off-set some of the large expenditures. There is also plans to slash defense spending.


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Re: Obama or Romney?? [Re: KaptKid]
    #631704 - 07/14/12 11:54 PM (7 years, 8 months ago)

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KaptKid said:
Quote:

KatPhish-John said:
I really don't care wins, I will still be riding the :failboat: either way lol.  :hook:



I hate the term "go with the flow" but sometimes(alot of times) we have no control.




I agree, I always say at least the fail boat ain't sinking lol.


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Re: Obama or Romney?? [Re: Picklez]
    #631707 - 07/14/12 11:59 PM (7 years, 8 months ago)

Here's a recant article on the healthcare plans, and obama kissing ass for votes.
It's been named the “Cadillac tax” for a reason, and has been pubic since the Surpreme Court ruled on it weeks ago.
http://www.nypost.com/p/news/national/unions_get_pecial_treatment_in_health_AB053CwqPIJlIxXAm37DOM
And here's one more for your reading pleasure.
http://www.naturalnews.com/029849_health_care_reform_taxes.html


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Re: Obama or Romney?? [Re: Stoneth]
    #631715 - 07/15/12 12:38 AM (7 years, 8 months ago)

Your sister is going to love that card I am sending her

My buddy ate some mushrooms tonight. I am DJ'ing for him and he is having an amazing time. He was super depressed going in, and I told him to wait until he had a clear mind, but he insisted on tripping and he's loving it!!!


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Re: Obama or Romney?? [Re: Picklez] * 1
    #631716 - 07/15/12 02:23 AM (7 years, 8 months ago)

im way to uneducated at this point to enter a political discussion.

the more i read about politics the more disgusted i get. same with watching/reading the news.

so i just watch breaking bad.


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Re: Obama or Romney?? [Re: Stoneth]
    #631723 - 07/15/12 07:10 AM (7 years, 8 months ago)

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All I'm going to say on this topic is in my opinion neither, write in Stoneth.

But anyone who wants another four years of Obama is a complete retard.
He has destroyed the US economy and it'll take at least four more years to correct it.  Actually I bet it take much much more time to fix all the fucked up shit.

Who do I think will win Obama because most American's aren't smart enough to see what's right in front of them.  Obama hasn't done one thing he said in his first campaign, and to this day continues to lie to the American people he works for.




you do realize that obama IS NOT responsible for the economy going to shit, right? obama DID NOT destroy the economy himself. he inherited that from an 8 year BUSH administration. 4 years is not enough time to fix the giant fucked up economy. so give the guy a break. if you watch fox news all the time i can understand why youre coming from where you are. republicans are racist as fuck, and refuse to work with obama, then turn around and say "see this nigger aint doin SHIT. fuck obama. he fucked the economy up." NOT TRUE. hes trying to fix it, but the republicans refuse to work with him. just so they can create a bad image of obama to all the blind republican followers.

you talk about obama lying to the american people like hes something different than any other politician lol im sorry but writes ins wont elect anybody. not tryin to make you mad, but look at it realistically.

obama, or ROMNEY?


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Re: Obama or Romney?? [Re: Pilze]
    #631730 - 07/15/12 08:20 AM (7 years, 8 months ago)

Oh god let me suck Obama's dick a little more while he calls drone strikes on 16 year old American Citizens without a trial in the middle east.

Picklez characterizes the level of political ignorance and stupidity typical of the average American.

Oh yeah, bailing out the banks that orchestrated the financial crises was an awesome move. Next time I make a bad investment and lose money I want to make sure Obama takes money from everyone here and gives it to me.


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Re: Obama or Romney?? [Re: DungenessDank]
    #631733 - 07/15/12 08:37 AM (7 years, 8 months ago)

no one is sucking dick

I merely pointed out FACTS about what he has done while in office

If it sounds good to you and you consider that "dick sucking," then so be it

I am asking for opinions regarding the 2 candidates.

And bailing out the banks didnt "orchestrate," the financial crisis, it stopped it from getting worse. Think what would happen if the banks fully collapsed.

Next time you start moving those fat little fingers over ur keyboard, think first.

And I am not ignorant or stupid regarding politics or the global environment, I am actually extremely well versed in it. My political knowledge supersedes most Americans. Just because my thoughts dont agree with yours doesnt make them any less valid



edit- in one breathe Obama has nothing to do with the capture/ kill of Osama Bin Laden, but he is responsible for every single drone strike? I think not.... And i dont even know what 16 year old american citizen u are talking about, link?


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Re: Obama or Romney?? [Re: Picklez] * 1
    #631735 - 07/15/12 09:15 AM (7 years, 8 months ago)

I'm not for or against either candidate but I notice the anti Obama guys resort to lying a lot.



I do know this. I have 8 gardens with two more just starting to producing in the Palm Springs area (area is ripe for growers. Anybody with any skill at all can make a killing here). Whenever there is a Democrat in office I don't have to hide shit. When there is a Republican in office I have to go underground.


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Re: Obama or Romney?? [Re: Picklez]
    #631736 - 07/15/12 09:28 AM (7 years, 8 months ago)

http://www.democracynow.org/2011/11/7/us_drone_kills_16_year_old

http://www.npr.org/2012/03/06/148000630/holder-gives-rationale-for-drone-strikes-on-citizens

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And bailing out the banks didnt "orchestrate," the financial crisis, it stopped it from getting worse. Think what would happen if the banks fully collapsed.




First of all, government policy allowed these banks to over leverage with risky investments, knowing that the government would be forced to bail them out for political/financial stability. This government corporate partnership (fascism) created a moral hazard that lead to the crisis to begin with.

Saying that giving them more money "stopped it from getting worse" is like saying giving a heroin junkie more smack is stopping them from getting any worse.

Real justice would have been to let them go under and for people to learn their fucking lesson and stop legitimizing a broken system.


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Re: Obama or Romney?? [Re: DungenessDank]
    #631737 - 07/15/12 09:33 AM (7 years, 8 months ago)

"An American Teenager in Yemen: Paying for the Sins of His Father?": http://www.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,2097899,00.html


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Re: Obama or Romney?? [Re: DungenessDank]
    #631738 - 07/15/12 09:52 AM (7 years, 8 months ago)

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Real justice would have been to let them go under and for people to learn their fucking lesson and stop legitimizing a broken system.




In my humble opinion, real justice would be deporting the oligarchy from this planet.


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Re: Obama or Romney?? [Re: drawde]
    #631748 - 07/15/12 11:50 AM (7 years, 8 months ago)











See the problem with those candidates ?


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Re: Obama or Romney?? [Re: Mr.Hybrid] * 1
    #631765 - 07/15/12 02:07 PM (7 years, 8 months ago)

Obama.

The end.

Anyone who says different is a r-tard In my professional opinion.

Not his fault republicunts wanted to filibuster more than any other congress like... ever.

Just sayin'

Then again I'm pretty sure that pissed off enough swing voters to give us a dem congress after obama gets voted in. :shrug:


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Re: Obama or Romney?? [Re: Mr.Hybrid]
    #631777 - 07/15/12 04:52 PM (7 years, 8 months ago)

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It's stupid, white women like that that make Americans look like a complete joke

I mean just look what is going on around the world.




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Re: Obama or Romney?? [Re: Picklez]
    #631787 - 07/15/12 07:12 PM (7 years, 8 months ago)

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It's stupid, white women like that that make Americans look like a complete joke

I mean just look what is going on around the world.




Magash- Id come work for ya!






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Re: Obama or Romney?? [Re: KaptKid]
    #631793 - 07/15/12 08:51 PM (7 years, 8 months ago)

yeah she does :thumbup:

i hate it when Americans act like were the most oppressed people in the world.


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Re: Obama or Romney?? [Re: Picklez] * 1
    #631798 - 07/15/12 10:44 PM (7 years, 8 months ago)

How the fuck do you know what the sign is even referring to? Do you know what the originator of the quote was talking about? We aren't the most oppressed, we are the most oppressing.

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It's stupid, white women like that that make Americans look like a complete joke




Take your bullshit and shove it.


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Re: Obama or Romney?? [Re: DungenessDank]
    #631802 - 07/16/12 01:52 AM (7 years, 8 months ago)

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How the fuck do you know what the sign is even referring to? Do you know what the originator of the quote was talking about? We aren't the most oppressed, we are the most oppressing.

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It's stupid, white women like that that make Americans look like a complete joke




Take your bullshit and shove it.










Yeah... He makes a complete Ludicrous comment / opinion about
a picture of a good quote ....

Totally ignores the other picture that is VERY relevant to this thread ...

AND HE CREATED THIS THREAD !?!?!


Enough of this faggotry !
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See the problem with those candidates ?




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Re: Obama or Romney?? [Re: DungenessDank]
    #631812 - 07/16/12 03:10 AM (7 years, 8 months ago)

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"Affordable Healthcare Act" is corporate welfare.




Yeah, I'm really amazed that the DNC was able to totally sellout on any type of public option and get the left solidly behind republican policy that delivers a captive market to the insurance industry


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Re: Obama or Romney?? [Re: Picklez]
    #631813 - 07/16/12 03:20 AM (7 years, 8 months ago)

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Picklez said:Obama wasnt in office when we started the war with Iraq/ Afghanistan, so you cant put that on him, but he has certainly done a much better job as Commander in Chief than George Bush did. He has essentially helped bring this war to a close. While there is still fighting on the ground, he has lived up to his pledge to withdrawal all combat troops.

And of course Obama has a lot to do with the unemployment rate




1) the intent was to keep troops in iraq, and the only reason we are withdrawing was because the national legislature made it impossible for us to stay. 

2)while I agree that the bank bailouts were likely necessary, the problem with his approach is his administration has never attempted to adequately address the "too big to fail" scenario, and even their original means to address this (that was eventually gutted by republicans)was way too weak


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Re: Obama or Romney?? [Re: Picklez]
    #631814 - 07/16/12 03:25 AM (7 years, 8 months ago)

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The Affordable Healthcare act doesnt implement a tax on the middle-class at all.. How did you come up with that?

For people who already have health insurance, nothing changes at all.

For people who dont have healthcare, it allows them to buy into the gov't healthcare at a cheaper rate than insurance companies charge




a few of your above assumptions are wrong.  I suggest checking out Trudy Lieberman's reporting on the CJR website (Columbia journalism review).  She's a policy expert that specialized in healthcare and really knows here stuff, and can break the issues down to the reader really well


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Re: Obama or Romney?? [Re: Mr.Hybrid]
    #631817 - 07/16/12 04:07 AM (7 years, 8 months ago)

So is Romney the better option?


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    #631818 - 07/16/12 06:02 AM (7 years, 8 months ago)

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So is Romney the better option?





they both come off as corporate friendly centrists to me.  Sure there are some variations on the theme, but both candidates have failed to distinguish themselves in any meaningful way

which is why I'm probably hearing so much about Romney's dog


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Re: Obama or Romney?? [Re: kyuzo]
    #631830 - 07/16/12 10:37 AM (7 years, 8 months ago)

Romney= "I believe in America SOOO much, I'm gonnna stash millions away in the Caymans and never present my previous tax returns." BTW, he presented 23 years worth of tax returns to McCain in 08', and McCain picked Palin as a better VP candidate over him. What does that say about him??

Obama= "I believe in America SOOO much I'm going to make it a FELONY to be too poor to afford health insurance. Oh, and I'm going to spend BILLIONS to help people that make me money so they don't go out of business."

Fuck them both. We've been completely sold out by a government purchased by our corporations. We aren't a democracy, or a republic. We are a both a corporatocracy and a plutocracy. Not sure which I would say is a more relevant term...


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Re: Obama or Romney?? [Re: Tank333]
    #631837 - 07/16/12 11:12 AM (7 years, 8 months ago)

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Romney= "I believe in America SOOO much, I'm gonnna stash millions away in the Caymans and never present my previous tax returns." BTW, he presented 23 years worth of tax returns to McCain in 08', and McCain picked Palin as a better VP candidate over him. What does that say about him??

Obama= "I believe in America SOOO much I'm going to make it a FELONY to be too poor to afford health insurance. Oh, and I'm going to spend BILLIONS to help people that make me money so they don't go out of business."

Fuck them both. We've been completely sold out by a government purchased by our corporations. We aren't a democracy, or a republic. We are a both a corporatocracy and a plutocracy. Not sure which I would say is a more relevant term...






That's the most retarded thing I have seen you say.  You're usually pretty smart abut things, but this just sounds like something FOX would say.  Completely nonfactual.


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Re: Obama or Romney?? [Re: Hawksresurrection]
    #631839 - 07/16/12 11:27 AM (7 years, 8 months ago)

Hawk, what is non-factual about the fact that the individual mandate makes it against the law to NOT have health insurance???


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    #631845 - 07/16/12 11:41 AM (7 years, 8 months ago)

YOu said it makes it a felony.  That it does not.  It merely imposes a fine, and if you really are poor it's only like 90 bucks for the year. And this is being done for VERY good reasons.  Uninsured people are causing the health care costs to skyrocket.  Every person who is injured and is uninsured usually ends up skipping out on the bill, which causes them to increase prices for everyone else to make up for the loss.

We require you to have car insurance, why shouldn't it be necessary for us to have it for our health as well.  Now I do feel that there need to be some major changes, like having a low cost health insurance for the underprivileged etc.  A lot of things need to fixed, this is but one step in that process.


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Re: Obama or Romney?? [Re: Hawksresurrection]
    #631848 - 07/16/12 12:13 PM (7 years, 8 months ago)

The last time I read the wording, it called for a fine and up to 5 years jail. In my book, that's a felony. Granted, I haven't read up on it since it was officially passed, as I have more important things to take care of right now, namely, my baby girl. So that may have been changed.

Doesn't matter. If you don't have insurance, you should be required to pay cash for your shit. Its why I haven't had my molar removed that's rotting out of my head. Why should doctors have to go through years of greuling school and study just to be required to help people for free??? Yes, you should have insurance to help defray the cost of your medical expenses. But you shouldn't be required get it. Make it a common sense choice, not a government mandate.

Otherwise, there's a wealth of information on how to HELP YOURSELF when it comes to minor and medium medical emergencies. If you can't afford to pay for your own health care (or you simply don't want to pay someone else to do something you can do, as in my case), care for it your fucking own self!!


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    #631851 - 07/16/12 12:18 PM (7 years, 8 months ago)

So if you break your leg you should just fix it yourself?  If you have an asthma attack you should just "take care of it at home?"  It doesn't work like that.


And no.  The fine for poor people is 90 bucks.  No jail time buddy.


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Re: Obama or Romney?? [Re: Mr.Hybrid]
    #631852 - 07/16/12 12:33 PM (7 years, 8 months ago)

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See the problem with those candidates ?









:yuno:  y u no comment about picture.......  Still


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    #631853 - 07/16/12 12:39 PM (7 years, 8 months ago)

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BTW, he presented 23 years worth of tax returns to McCain in 08', and McCain picked Palin as a better VP candidate over him. What does that say about him??




honestly not much, since everyone knew McCain had to pick someone who needed to appeal to the republican base.  Someone not like Romney.

Also, Palin was starting to get great publicity at that point for her handling of a restructuring of the states deal with various oil companies, even in liberal news outlets like "now".  So at the time, she wasn't really considered a dumb bimbo, and came off pretty well in various interviews.


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    #631854 - 07/16/12 12:42 PM (7 years, 8 months ago)

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Hawk, what is non-factual about the fact that the individual mandate makes it against the law to NOT have health insurance???




actually the individual mandate is exempt from criminal prosecution

<<<The law prohibits the IRS from seeking to put anybody in jail or seizing their property for simple refusal to pay the tax. The law says specifically that taxpayers “shall not be subject to any criminal prosecution or penalty” for failure to pay, and also that the IRS cannot file a tax lien (a legal claim against such things as homes, cars, wages and bank accounts) or a “levy” (seizure of property or bank accounts).

The law says that the IRS will collect the tax “in the same manner as an assessable penalty under subchapter B of chapter 68” of the tax code. That part of the tax code provides for imposing an additional penalty “equal to the total amount of the tax evaded, or not collected.” It also requires written notices to the taxpayer, and provides for court proceedings.

So it may turn out that the IRS will be suing those who fail to pay the tax for double the amount. But so far, the IRS has not spelled out exactly how it will enforce the new penalty with the limited power the law gives it.>>>

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    #631855 - 07/16/12 12:44 PM (7 years, 8 months ago)

:utterconfusion:

Another hidden secret in Obamacare “RFID Chip Implants"


http://polidics.com/news/another-hidden-secret-in-obamacare-rfid-chip-implants.html

On Sunday March 21, 2010 the Senate Healthcare bill HR3200 was passed and signed into law the following Tuesday. Like I said before, there are a legion of horrible and just plain evil aspects to this bill and I’m sure you’ve heard a lot them by now. I don’t want to discount them but what cannot be missed here is this new law now opens a prophetic door on a magnitude not seen since the reformation of Israel.

This new law requires an RFID chip implanted in all of us. This chip will not only contain your personal information with tracking capability but it will also be linked to your bank account. And get this, Page 1004 of the new law (dictating the timing of this chip), reads, and I quote: “Not later than 36 months after the date of the enactment”. It is now the law of the land that by March 23rd 2013 we will all be required to have an RFID chip underneath our skin and this chip will be link to our bank accounts as well as have our personal records and tracking capability built into it.

In just a minute I’m going to show you the black and white of the law itself and you can see it with your own eyes and wonder why an event of this magnitude which is nothing less than seismic in nature is met with little more than silence in the Christian community.

Is it now starting to dawn on you just where exactly we are in prophecy? I’ll ask that question again in a minute and follow up on it, but now I want to show you the law itself. I’ve downloaded a PDF copy of HR3200 from the government’s website so what I’m about to show you is from the bill itself its nothing that I’ve written. You can access it all and see it all for yourself straight from the source itself.

H.R. 3200 section 2521, Pg. 1001, paragraph 1.
The Secretary shall establish a national medical device registry (in this subsection referred to as the ‘registry’) to facilitate analysis of postmarket safety and outcomes data on each device that— ‘‘is or has been used in or on a patient; ‘‘and is— ‘‘a class III device; or ‘‘a class II device that is implantable, life-supporting, or life-sustaining.”

What exactly is a class II device that is implantable? As you saw earlier, it is the device approved by the FDA in 2004.

Federal Food, Drug, and Cosmetic Act:

http://www.fda.gov/downloads/MedicalDevices/DeviceRegulationandGuid

A class II implantable device is an “implantable radio frequency transponder system for patient identification and health information.” The purpose of a class II device is to collect data in medical patients such as “claims data, patient survey data, standardized analytic files that allow for the pooling and analysis of data from disparate data environments, electronic health records, and any other data deemed appropriate by the Secretary.”

Going back to what we just looked at, the creation of the national medical device registry in section 2521, page 1002 line 5:

“In developing the registry, the secretary shall…”

And the law continues on with a laundry list of items that the secretary must do in the process of creating this registry. In this laundry list of items to do, Line 17, subparagraph B: “validating methods for analyzing patient safety and outcomes data from multiple sources and for linking such data with the information included in the registry as described in subparagraph (A)”

Going back to subparagraph A [right above subparagraph B], it says: “including in the registry, in a manner consistent with subsection (f), appropriate information to identify each device described in paragraph (1) by type, model, and serial number or other unique identifier;”

Don’t be confused by the intentional obfuscation and skillful wording, This law first creates the national device registry and then immediately list all the task the secretary of health and human services will have do in the process of creating this registry.

The very first two items in the list mandates that the secretary first gives a unique identification to each of the items listed in paragraph 1 which is:

‘‘a class III device; or ‘‘a class II device that is implantable.”

Then, the very next thing the secretary is to do is to create the process by which “patient safety and outcomes data from multiple sources”, which is electronic medical records, that are linked to these newly and uniquely identified items from paragraph 1 which are the class III and class II implantable devices.

Class III devises are items such as breast implants, pacemakers, heart valves, etc. A Class II device that is implantable is, as you seen from the FDA, an implantable radio frequency transponder, RFID chip. From breast implants, to pacemakers, to RFID chips which one is the only possible one that can used for the stated purpose in section B which is, “for linking such data with the information included in the registry”? As we know from subsection A, the information in the registry is the name of a device. In plain speak, we are in a clear way being told that our electronic medical records are going to be linked to a class II implantable device!

Continuing a few lines down in this same section, section B subsection ii on still on page 1002, the “patient safety and outcomes data from multiple sources”, that is to be linked is clearly spelled out as electronic medical records. It reads: “link data obtained under clause (i) with information in the registry”. Information in the registry is, as we know from subparagraph A, the name of the device. So what is the data obtained under clause i? Back up a few lines to clause i

It reads: “obtain access to disparate sources of patient safety and outcomes data, including Federal health-related electronic data”. Again, from breast implants, to pacemakers, to RFID chips which one is the only possible one that can used for the stated purpose in section B? That stated purpose is “for linking such data” and the such data is electronic medical records.

What we already have already seen in just the creation of this registry, is the device that will serve as the link, which is an RFID microchip that is categorized as a Class II implantable device, as well as what it will be the link for which is your electronic medical records.

In case the law wasn’t clear enough on that point, still in the laundry list of things to do a few more lines down on the next page, page 1005

“The Secretary to protect the public health; shall establish procedures to permit linkage of information submitted pursuant to subparagraph (A, remember subparagraph A is the class 2 implantable device reference) with patient safety and outcomes data obtained under paragraph (3, which is electronic medical records); and to permit analyses of linked data;”

Continuing on to page 1007, in the STANDARDS, IMPLEMENTATION CRITERIA, AND CERTIFICATION CRITERIA section, the secretary of health and human services is given full power to intact all mandates from the laundry list of to-do items in the creation process of the registry as well as dictate how the devises listed in the National Medical Device Registry are to be used and implemented.

“The Secretary of the Health Human Services, acting through the head of the Office of the National Coordinator for Health Information Technology, shall adopt standards, implementation specifications, and certification criteria for the electronic exchange and use in certified electronic health records of a unique device identifier for each device described in paragraph 1 (National Medical Device Registry), if such an identifier is required by section 519(f) of the Federal Food, Drug, and Cosmetic Act (21 U.S.C. 360i(f)) for the device.”

Now on Page 503, section E Lines 13-17 and I quote: “encourage, as appropriate, the development and use of clinical registries and the development of clinical effectiveness research data networks from electronic health records, post marketing drug and medical device surveillance efforts”. Let me say that again, medical device surveillance efforts!

Now lets look at section 163 of HR3200, which gives the government a direct electronic access to your bank account which will work in conjunction with an implanted chip.

Page 58 Lines 5 through 15 reads:
(D) enable the real-time (or near real time) determination of an individual’s financial responsibility at the point of service and, to the extent possible, prior to service, including whether the individual is eligible for a specific service with a specific physician at a specific facility, which may include utilization of a machine-readable health plan beneficiary identity detection card; (E) enable, where feasible, near real-time adjudication of claims

What does this mean? It means that the government will give everybody a health ID card that contains a machine readable device (magnetic strip or RFID chip) similar to a credit card. Embedded in this chip or strip is your Health Identification Number. When you visit a medical provider, the medical claims will be processed while you are still in the office. The medical providers will be paid in real time. The portion that you owe will be deducted from your bank account, in real time, according to HR 3200.

Notice here in this part which is at the beginning of 2000 plus pages of the law, it is carefully worded “which may include utilization of a machine-readable health plan beneficiary identity detection card”. Here we are told that it may be a card. As you have already seen, deeper in the law [Sec. 2521 Pg. 1000] what this “may” utilize is clearly spelled out as a “class II device that is implantable”.

We can only speculate at this point why the law is set up this way. Most likely this section was written to account for the gap in time from when the process of chipping begins to when everyone has received a chip. A means of starting with a card for the sake of expedience while the process of chipping citizenry plays out. One thing is certain, the law mandates that within 3 years we will all have a chip under our skin that will serve this purpose.

Evidence of this logic is found in the deadline set for the start of the registry on page 1006.

“EFFECTIVE DATE.—The Secretary of Health and Human Services shall establish and begin implementation of the registry under section 519(g) of the Federal Food, Drug, and Cosmetic Act, as added by paragraph (1), by not later than the date that is 36 months after the date of the enactment of this Act, without regard to whether or not final regulations to establish and operate the registry have been promulgated by such date.”

Also on page 259, this law requires the use of Electronic medical records system in all hospitals by 2012 which will leave a gap of at least a year before the class II implantable device is required.

Republican Congressman Ron Paul from Texas, states on his website:

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“Buried deep within the over 1,000 pages of the massive US Health Care Bill (PDF) in a “non-discussed” section titled: Subtitle C-11 Sec. 2521— National Medical Device Registry, and which states its purpose as…….. He quotes that part of the law and then goes on to say: “In “real world speak”, according to this report, this new law, when fully implemented, provides the framework for making the United States the first Nation in the World to require each and every one of its citizens to have implanted in them a radio-frequency identification microchip for the purpose of controlling who is, or isn’t, allowed medical care in their country”.

That is from a currently serving member of congress. Cutting through all the political ease, the bottom line is that eventually if you want to participate in a government healthcare plan you will have to have this chip implanted in you. This law mandates that you have to have insurance and by virtue of this law guarantees that all private healthcare insurers will be driven out of business with only the government option left. We will be in a single payer system and you will have to have an imbedded chip to be a member of this system and it is mandatory that you be a part of this system.

See above webcast for video

When I have a number of different pieces of data, I like to lay it all out in bit size pieces so the picture becomes clearer so I’m going to lay out the data and cut through the political circular logic and legal ease:

2004:
Class II implantable devices receive FDA approval and verachip VeriMed electronic health records system also received approval from the FDA.

2009:
American Recovery and Reinvestment Act authorized $23 billion in stimulus funds for health care information technology. In conjunction with that, VeriChip re-launches VeriMed electronic health records system which is a system that is made up of implantable RFID microchips, handheld scanners for emergency room personnel to read these chips, and online electronic personal health records.

2010:
HR3200 was passed by the House and signed into law by the president
Now looking at the new law, Page 259 Electronic Medical Records system will be required for all healthcare providers by 2012.

Pages 1001-1002:
A national medical device registry is created and populated with devices. Chiefly noted among them, a Class II medical device that is implantable.

Pages 1002-1004:
Mandates the use of class II implantable devices to serve as the link between you and your electronic medical records.

Page 1005:
The secretary of human services will establish the procedures for the linking of the Class II implantable device and electronic medical records.

Page 1007:
Secretary of health and human services is given full power to intact all items required in the creation of the registry as well as the power to dictate how the devises listed in the National Medical Device Registry are to be used and implemented.

Page 503:
Medical device surveillance is authorized.

Page 58:
The link to your electronic medical records which is the Class II implantable device will also be linked to your bank account.

Page 1006:
Without regard to whether or not final regulations are in place, you will be required to get a Class II implantable device linked to your medical records and bank account in order to participate in the government healthcare plan.

Pages 155-158:
It is mandated that you have health insurance or you will pay $100.00 dollars per day that you are not covered.

Page 159:
The IRS will enforce healthcare enrolment and fines for not caring health insurance.

Lastly:
This law mandates that you have to have insurance and by virtue of this law, guarantees that all privet healthcare insurers will be driven out of business with only the government option left. We will be in a single payer system and you will have to have an imbedded chip to be a member of this system and it is mandatory that you be a part of this system.

This new law, when fully implemented, provides the framework for making the United States the first nation in the world to require each and every one of its citizens to have implanted in them a radio-frequency identification microchip. In theory, the intent to streamline healthcare and to eliminate fraud via “health chips” seems right. But, to have the world’s lone superpower mandate a device to be IMPLANTED is not just scary. It is prophetic!

Is this in its current form the mark of the beast? No it is not. The Bible is clear that this will not become the mark of the beast until midway through tribulation when it is somehow associated with a sign of allegiance to the antichrist and it is in someway imprinted with a number or symbols associated 666.

However this is the very mechanism by which it will happen and obviously since the mark will be on a global scale, this has not fully played out. Keep in mind though, we are already staring down the barrel of a global government who will implement this on a global scale. Also, the rapture is a game changing event. If the global government hasn’t come to fruition at the point of the rapture, it will overnight when the rapture happens and this law will be applied across the board. I wouldn’t be surprised if same healthcare ruse won’t be applied under the premises that the mass disappearance of people is a global healthcare emergency and the application of this law [globally and under a global government] will prevent others from disappearing or at a minimum be a means of determining what happened via the tracking capability inherent to RFID chips.

Now I’m going to ask you the question that I asked earlier: Is it now starting to dawn on you just where exactly we are in prophecy? By virtue of the fact that this hasn’t sent tremors through the Christian community, one can only assume that community is asleep at the wheel. Maybe everyone is so bogged down in all the other evil facets to this new law that this has slipped through the cracks. I tend to doubt that is the case though. I think the reason that hardly no one has seemed to even so much as mentioned this is because human nature is kicking in and it’s hard to get past the logical mind when it is telling you that this just can’t be or this is somehow a misrepresentation of the new law and all those who had a part in it. Mixed in with that, no one wants to risk their reputation or for some their ministries reputation by saying something that could get them labeled as conspiracy nut.

Captain Edward Smith, captain of the titanic said this statement shortly before the titanic embarked on its maiden voyage:
“I cannot imagine any condition which would cause a ship to founder. I cannot conceive of any vital disaster happening to this vessel. Modern shipbuilding has gone beyond that.”

The point here is that people to tend see and believe what they want to see and believe and in this case, what’s easiest to not see and not believe.

See above webcast for video

All that you have seen so far is a matter of fact and easily investigated by yourself. So I say again, is it now starting to dawn on you just where exactly we are in prophecy?


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Re: Obama or Romney?? [Re: Mr.Hybrid]
    #631857 - 07/16/12 12:45 PM (7 years, 8 months ago)

Because I already know that all the politicians are really just working for corporations.  I've known this for a very long time.  Nothing new.


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Re: Obama or Romney?? [Re: Hawksresurrection]
    #631858 - 07/16/12 12:51 PM (7 years, 8 months ago)

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YOu said it makes it a felony.  That it does not.  It merely imposes a fine, and if you really are poor it's only like 90 bucks for the year. And this is being done for VERY good reasons.  Uninsured people are causing the health care costs to skyrocket.  Every person who is injured and is uninsured usually ends up skipping out on the bill, which causes them to increase prices for everyone else to make up for the loss.

We require you to have car insurance, why shouldn't it be necessary for us to have it for our health as well.  Now I do feel that there need to be some major changes, like having a low cost health insurance for the underprivileged etc.  A lot of things need to fixed, this is but one step in that process.




1) while people are required to have car insurance they are not required to drive

2) the uninsured only account for 12% of er expenditures and I'm am unsure where else they would go to seek treatment.  SO I really question the assumption that the uninsured were driving up costs.  Also, if such was the case, Mass wouldn't have been dealing with 18-20% premium increases after insurance reform

3) though you are right, that it is a necessary aspect of reform.  Because without it, there is no real incentive to keep on insurance, when you can simply buy into the program for a few months to deal with any major issue (reform removed the ability to deny coverage), which makes the insurance model completely unstable


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Re: Obama or Romney?? [Re: Hawksresurrection]
    #631859 - 07/16/12 12:54 PM (7 years, 8 months ago)

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Because I already know that all the politicians are really just working for corporations.  I've known this for a very long time.  Nothing new.





:cookiemonster: I wish everyone had more fucks to give 



I mean seriously ....  This should piss people off alot more than I've seen , I mean.... We are the majority ....  When will it be enough ?


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Re: Obama or Romney?? [Re: Mr.Hybrid]
    #631868 - 07/16/12 03:51 PM (7 years, 8 months ago)

:rofl2:


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    #631875 - 07/16/12 05:11 PM (7 years, 8 months ago)

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Re: Obama or Romney?? [Re: Mr.Hybrid]
    #631876 - 07/16/12 05:13 PM (7 years, 8 months ago)

The RFID chip thing was bullshit from what I gathered.


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Re: Obama or Romney?? [Re: DungenessDank]
    #631877 - 07/16/12 05:32 PM (7 years, 8 months ago)

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The RFID chip thing was bullshit from what I gathered.






Yup.....just propaganda that Hybrid couldn't see through apparently.


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Re: Obama or Romney?? [Re: Hawksresurrection]
    #631880 - 07/16/12 05:54 PM (7 years, 8 months ago)

Alex Jones deserves to be abducted by the Lizard people.


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    #631881 - 07/16/12 05:57 PM (7 years, 8 months ago)

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The RFID chip thing was bullshit from what I gathered.






Yup.....just propaganda that Hybrid couldn't see through apparently.





No joke. I dont see how you can be that brainwashed and gullible.


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Re: Obama or Romney?? [Re: Picklez]
    #631882 - 07/16/12 05:59 PM (7 years, 8 months ago)

I don't mind him at all.....but that one is a bit far fetched, he should be able to see through that bullshit.  Ya hear Hybrid?


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    #631885 - 07/16/12 06:14 PM (7 years, 8 months ago)

nah brah, he knows people who know things :smirk:


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    #631887 - 07/16/12 07:09 PM (7 years, 8 months ago)

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I don't mind him at all.....but that one is a bit far fetched, he should be able to see through that bullshit.  Ya hear Hybrid?



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nah brah, he knows people who know things :smirk:




lol
Tbh I posted that to see how many replies I would get ..

Because earlier nobody commented about this




Scroll back an look for yourself

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Re: Obama or Romney?? [Re: Mr.Hybrid]
    #631906 - 07/17/12 02:27 AM (7 years, 8 months ago)

I saw it bitch.....stop being so sensitive...


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    #631931 - 07/17/12 12:27 PM (7 years, 8 months ago)

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I saw it bitch.....stop being so sensitive...





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Re: Obama or Romney?? [Re: Picklez]
    #631937 - 07/17/12 02:42 PM (7 years, 8 months ago)

i am voting for neither. they're both lying cocksuckers and they will continue to make America go full-retard.



...and anybody who knows anything knows to never go full-retard. :nonono:


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Re: Obama or Romney?? [Re: remix] * 1
    #631938 - 07/17/12 02:47 PM (7 years, 8 months ago)

If voting changed anything, they'd make it illegal


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    #631939 - 07/17/12 02:48 PM (7 years, 8 months ago)

at least you answered the question

will you not be voting at all, or just for neither of the two major parties?

I think Stein for the Green Party is just as bad as either of the mainstream ones


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If voting changed anything, they'd make it illegal



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Re: Obama or Romney?? [Re: KaptKid]
    #631967 - 07/17/12 09:30 PM (7 years, 8 months ago)

actually various organized groups like Aipec, the Cuban dissidents and AARP have shown small constituencies can have a rather massive effect by simply organizing their votes and lobbying.  Hell, the religious right basically co-opted the entire GOP through such measures


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    #631970 - 07/17/12 11:02 PM (7 years, 8 months ago)

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at least you answered the question

will you not be voting at all, or just for neither of the two major parties?

I think Stein for the Green Party is just as bad as either of the mainstream ones




Probably not. I would only vote for a President who I actually thought was sincere and I agreed with on a lot of issues. Otherwise, I figure, I'm just voting for someone who I know is going to do what I don't want them to do and...well... that's pretty pointless.


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    #632095 - 07/19/12 05:26 PM (7 years, 8 months ago)

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Alex Jones deserves to be abducted by the Lizard people.




I agree.

It's great to agree with people that are as far apart from each other on the aisle as we are. He's worse than a hate monger, he is a fear monger.


Also for clarification, not only is it only 90 bucks for people that are really poor; there is also a threshold of poor-ness where you don't get fined. You're considered exempt from the mandate I suppose. :shrug:

Though I don't know a great deal about what the mandate says as of this moment because I've been without cable and internet for about a year now I will say this. The average overhead cost of a corporate insurance company was about 30ish percent, where the overhead for public is more in the range of 1%. And as far as being insured is concern I feel a lot better knowing that 99% of the money I give is used for claims rather than 70%.

My family has been plagued by medical debt since I was in grade school, and right when I thought it was getting better and they were getting caught up my dads premiums skyrockets and he had to just drop insurance for out family. And then the next year not only does my mother have cancer come back, but my father found out he had cancer too. This isn't even going to be a long winded "this is why it's good" kind of personal story. But shit like that really happens, it happened to my family, so realize that at the very least something had to be done. With the ages us Americans reach, not-stepping-infront-of-a-bus-willing, we will probably all eventually get some form of cancer or at the very least some kind of serious health problem.


I'm still without insurance to this day, and I'm pretty sure my income is below the threshold to be required to. So I will be without it for some time still I am sure. I'm just lucky I am a pretty healthy person it seems.


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Also for clarification, not only is it only 90 bucks for people that are really poor; there is also a threshold of poor-ness where you don't get fined. You're considered exempt from the mandate I suppose. :shrug:

Though I don't know a great deal about what the mandate says as of this moment because I've been without cable and internet for about a year now I will say this. The average overhead cost of a corporate insurance company was about 30ish percent, where the overhead for public is more in the range of 1%. And as far as being insured is concern I feel a lot better knowing that 99% of the money I give is used for claims rather than 70%.

My family has been plagued by medical debt since I was in grade school, and right when I thought it was getting better and they were getting caught up my dads premiums skyrockets and he had to just drop insurance for out family. And then the next year not only does my mother have cancer come back, but my father found out he had cancer too. This isn't even going to be a long winded "this is why it's good" kind of personal story. But shit like that really happens, it happened to my family, so realize that at the very least something had to be done. With the ages us Americans reach, not-stepping-infront-of-a-bus-willing, we will probably all eventually get some form of cancer or at the very least some kind of serious health problem.


I'm still without insurance to this day, and I'm pretty sure my income is below the threshold to be required to. So I will be without it for some time still I am sure. I'm just lucky I am a pretty healthy person it seems.




The problem is that the bill has only very limited cost control measures written into it, and their over all effectiveness is really debatable at this point (like the assumptions concerning preventive care or decline in er usage).  SO there isn't going to be anything preventing your families deductible from rising (this has been the case in mass in most every category, except the individual market), their copay increasing, or from even getting a more stripped down version of coverage (two other trends that have been common is mass since reform was initiated) under their current plan

not to mention this puts more stress on systemic issues like  the lack of primary care providers


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    #637431 - 09/14/12 08:28 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Obama. Enough said.


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Also for clarification, not only is it only 90 bucks for people that are really poor; there is also a threshold of poor-ness where you don't get fined. You're considered exempt from the mandate I suppose. :shrug:

Though I don't know a great deal about what the mandate says as of this moment because I've been without cable and internet for about a year now I will say this. The average overhead cost of a corporate insurance company was about 30ish percent, where the overhead for public is more in the range of 1%. And as far as being insured is concern I feel a lot better knowing that 99% of the money I give is used for claims rather than 70%.

My family has been plagued by medical debt since I was in grade school, and right when I thought it was getting better and they were getting caught up my dads premiums skyrockets and he had to just drop insurance for out family. And then the next year not only does my mother have cancer come back, but my father found out he had cancer too. This isn't even going to be a long winded "this is why it's good" kind of personal story. But shit like that really happens, it happened to my family, so realize that at the very least something had to be done. With the ages us Americans reach, not-stepping-infront-of-a-bus-willing, we will probably all eventually get some form of cancer or at the very least some kind of serious health problem.


I'm still without insurance to this day, and I'm pretty sure my income is below the threshold to be required to. So I will be without it for some time still I am sure. I'm just lucky I am a pretty healthy person it seems.




The problem is that the bill has only very limited cost control measures written into it, and their over all effectiveness is really debatable at this point (like the assumptions concerning preventive care or decline in er usage).  SO there isn't going to be anything preventing your families deductible from rising (this has been the case in mass in most every category, except the individual market), their copay increasing, or from even getting a more stripped down version of coverage (two other trends that have been common is mass since reform was initiated) under their current plan

not to mention this puts more stress on systemic issues like  the lack of primary care providers




And in the case of any of those being an issue either it can get modified, or repealed. :shrug:


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    #637468 - 09/15/12 12:31 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

How you feeling about the Obama Administrations recent appeal of the grand jury ruling of the NDAA as unconstitutional?


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Not to great Honestly.


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