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U.S. is home to 5% of the global population....
    #467338 - 08/25/10 06:51 PM (6 years, 3 months ago)

but 25% of its prisoners.

:cop:


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Re: U.S. is home to 5% of the global population.... [Re: DeadHearts]
    #467339 - 08/25/10 06:52 PM (6 years, 3 months ago)

We need to start killing more people then. :smirk:


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Re: U.S. is home to 5% of the global population.... [Re: Tangerines]
    #467340 - 08/25/10 07:00 PM (6 years, 3 months ago)

illuminutty!


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Re: U.S. is home to 5% of the global population.... [Re: DeadHearts]
    #467341 - 08/25/10 07:01 PM (6 years, 3 months ago)

Just watch the Union?


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Re: U.S. is home to 5% of the global population.... [Re: DeadHearts]
    #467343 - 08/25/10 07:02 PM (6 years, 3 months ago)

Also, link to statistics?


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Re: U.S. is home to 5% of the global population.... [Re: Tangerines]
    #467363 - 08/25/10 07:37 PM (6 years, 3 months ago)

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T-Rex said:
Just watch the Union?




No, any good?

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Tangerines said:
Also, link to statistics?




It came from an article I read on Time.com which was from 2009.
I doubt much has changed since then.


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Re: U.S. is home to 5% of the global population.... [Re: DeadHearts]
    #467377 - 08/25/10 07:57 PM (6 years, 3 months ago)

statistics are slutty


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Re: U.S. is home to 5% of the global population.... [Re: King Koopa]
    #467381 - 08/25/10 08:01 PM (6 years, 3 months ago)

Police state


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Re: U.S. is home to 5% of the global population.... [Re: DeadHearts]
    #467403 - 08/25/10 08:31 PM (6 years, 3 months ago)

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DeadHearts said:
but 25% of its prisoners.

:cop:





somehow i knew exactly what your comment was going to be.  Prisons are serious fucking business.


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Re: U.S. is home to 5% of the global population.... [Re: DeadHearts] * 1
    #467404 - 08/25/10 08:32 PM (6 years, 3 months ago)

the problems with such statistics is that the british organization that collects the data relies on official reports of governments to create their reports.  Which is great if we can trust all governments to be open about such things, but sadly that just isn't the case.  in fact, it's well known that China gets around such reporting by using work centers and reeducation camps for political prisoners

But, yes, despite that, I agree that organizations like the CCPOA has turned our correctional system into a process that does nothing more than fleece fellow citizens of their money, and at the expense of many needlessly ruined lives


Edited by kyuzo (08/25/10 08:33 PM)


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Re: U.S. is home to 5% of the global population.... [Re: FurrowedBrow]
    #467406 - 08/25/10 08:33 PM (6 years, 3 months ago)

Quote:

FurrowedBrow said:
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DeadHearts said:
but 25% of its prisoners.

:cop:





somehow i knew exactly what your comment was going to be.  Prisons are serious fucking business.




Its............Outlandish.

And completely unacceptable


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Re: U.S. is home to 5% of the global population.... [Re: kyuzo]
    #467407 - 08/25/10 08:35 PM (6 years, 3 months ago)

Quote:

kyuzo said:
the problems with such statistics is that the british organization that collects the data relies on official reports of governments to create their reports.  Which is great if we can trust all governments to be open about such things, but sadly that just isn't the case.  in fact, it's well known that China gets around such reporting by using work centers and reeducation camps for political prisoners

But, yes, despite that, I agree that organizations like the CCPOA has turned our correctional system into a process that does nothing more than fleece fellow citizens of their money, and at the expense of many needlessly ruined lives




Right well would the government not want to downplay the numbers in this
case? And regardless of china having around the same numbers is irrelevant.


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Re: U.S. is home to 5% of the global population.... [Re: DeadHearts]
    #467416 - 08/25/10 08:57 PM (6 years, 3 months ago)

Quote:

DeadHearts said:
Quote:

kyuzo said:
the problems with such statistics is that the british organization that collects the data relies on official reports of governments to create their reports.  Which is great if we can trust all governments to be open about such things, but sadly that just isn't the case.  in fact, it's well known that China gets around such reporting by using work centers and reeducation camps for political prisoners

But, yes, despite that, I agree that organizations like the CCPOA has turned our correctional system into a process that does nothing more than fleece fellow citizens of their money, and at the expense of many needlessly ruined lives




Right well would the government not want to downplay the numbers in this
case? And regardless of china having around the same numbers is irrelevant.




we have an open government that any citizen can freely audit.  China, not so much.  Also, the number of political prisoners in China is speculated to be pretty high (you can go to a reeducation camp for simply preaching christian teachings outside the party approved bible).


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Re: U.S. is home to 5% of the global population.... [Re: kyuzo]
    #467433 - 08/25/10 09:28 PM (6 years, 3 months ago)

Quote:

kyuzo said:
Quote:

DeadHearts said:
Quote:

kyuzo said:
the problems with such statistics is that the british organization that collects the data relies on official reports of governments to create their reports.  Which is great if we can trust all governments to be open about such things, but sadly that just isn't the case.  in fact, it's well known that China gets around such reporting by using work centers and reeducation camps for political prisoners

But, yes, despite that, I agree that organizations like the CCPOA has turned our correctional system into a process that does nothing more than fleece fellow citizens of their money, and at the expense of many needlessly ruined lives




Right well would the government not want to downplay the numbers in this
case? And regardless of china having around the same numbers is irrelevant.




we have an open government that any citizen can freely audit.  China, not so much.  Also, the number of political prisoners in China is speculated to be pretty high (you can go to a reeducation camp for simply preaching christian teachings outside the party approved bible).




Well then the numbers in china should be expected to some extent.
Why is our percentage so high if we have such an "open government"?


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Re: U.S. is home to 5% of the global population.... [Re: DeadHearts]
    #467454 - 08/25/10 10:17 PM (6 years, 3 months ago)

And what's the percentage of prisoners due to drugs?


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Re: U.S. is home to 5% of the global population.... [Re: FurrowedBrow]
    #467455 - 08/25/10 10:28 PM (6 years, 3 months ago)

Quote:

FurrowedBrow said:
Prisons are serious fucking business.




:sadyes:

Thats what happens when you try to legislate morality.

The religious fucknuts feel good when you put immoral people behind bars

Im surprised we don't jail adulterers :facepalm:


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Re: U.S. is home to 5% of the global population.... [Re: DeadHearts]
    #467457 - 08/25/10 10:31 PM (6 years, 3 months ago)

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DeadHearts said:Well then the numbers in china should be expected to some extent.




That's the thing, those numbers are never reported because the institutions are labeled "work and reeducation camps" 

The most absurd part is that the labor camps are often used to manufacture commercial goods


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DeadHearts said:Why is our percentage so high if we have such an "open government"?





All open government does is allow one to recognize and acknowledge the issue.  Solving it is a whole new can of beans.


Edited by kyuzo (08/25/10 10:41 PM)


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Re: U.S. is home to 5% of the global population.... [Re: niteowl]
    #467465 - 08/25/10 10:39 PM (6 years, 3 months ago)

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niteowl said:
Quote:

FurrowedBrow said:
Prisons are serious fucking business.




:sadyes:

Thats what happens when you try to legislate morality.

The religious fucknuts feel good when you put immoral people behind bars

Im surprised we don't jail adulterers :facepalm:





The CCPOA isn't worried about morality, but keeping prison guards in work, and expanding the potential number of jobs for such people. 

In fact, they have probably done more to stifle decriminalization than any other group in the country


<<<With the Santa-Monica based Campaign for a New Drug Policy (CNDP) (http://www.drugreform.org) successful in obtaining the signatures necessary to place its Substance Abuse and Crime Prevention Act initiative on the California state ballot in November, attention is now turning to the proposal's prospects for passage.

The initiative has been largely bankrolled by a trio of big-spending drug reformers. Hungarian-born financier George Soros, University of Phoenix President John Sperling and Peter Lewis of the Cleveland-based Progressive Insurance Company kicked in most of the $1 million spent in the signature gathering phase of the campaign.

The initiative would mandate treatment rather than prison time for first- and second-time drug possessors and nonviolent parole violators. There are currently some 20,000 nonviolent drug possession offenders in California prisons.

Analysts with the state legislature say the initiative, if passed, would save the state between $100 and $150 million per year by reducing the prison and jail population. In addition, the initiative would generate a one-time savings of nearly half a billion dollars in foregone prison construction costs.

In the opinion of interested observers surveyed by DRCNet, the most formidable opposition to the initiative will come from the politically potent and deep-pocketed prison guards' union, the California Correctional Peace Officers' Association (CCPOA).

"They are the 800-pound gorilla of California politics," said CNDP's Dave Fratello. "They are the only force that matters on the other side," he said, "and they have the capacity to put six or seven figure sums into the campaign."

"Virtually no political body in California will stand up to them," said David Macallair of the Justice Policy Institute. "They are perceived to be law enforcement and they have a lot of money and they spend it lavishly."

"If you oppose them," Macallair continued, "they will label you soft on crime and anti-victims."

Jeff Thompson, CCPOA's legislative lobbyist, confirmed that the union's political action committee had voted to oppose the initiative and will be spending "serious money to deal with these out-of-state liberals," but Thompson said no decision had yet been reached on funding levels.

The CCPOA has certainly spent serious money in the past, and has been extremely effective in getting what it wants. In the last twenty years, and particularly under the leadership of current union president Don Novey, the union has benefited greatly from the California prison boom. It has seen its membership increase to 26,000 guards, who are the highest paid prison guards in the nation.

But CCPOA has not only benefited from the boom, it helped create it. In 1990, the union broke ranks with the rest of organized labor and contributed more than $1 million to the law and order campaign of Republican Governor Pete Wilson. The union, in cahoots with the National Rifle Association, also bankrolled the "three strikes" movement in the mid-1990s. It continues to provide financial support to the powerful California crime victims' movement. >>>

http://stopthedrugwar.org/chronicle-old/143/initiativefoes.shtml


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