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OfflineIrishdrunk
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Re: How do you feel about religion?? [Re: derelict]
    #459150 - 08/12/10 11:37 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

Hey Deadhearts haha :hi:


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The good does not always triumph.
Sometimes the dark side overcomes
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Re: How do you feel about religion?? [Re: derelict]
    #459155 - 08/12/10 11:39 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

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derelict said:
I find the Buddhist beliefs and life quite similar to my own beliefs however the part about abstaining from bodily pleasures and intoxicants?!?!




:yesnod:

I think in today's fucked up world we need some intoxicants to relax enough sometimes.

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Re: How do you feel about religion?? [Re: DeadHearts]
    #459175 - 08/13/10 12:31 AM (13 years, 7 months ago)

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DeadHearts said:
The overall message in most religions (at least the originals)
are very positive. But Christianity and Islam are the two main religions
in which they have been manipulated by the teachers and the students
to put in a level of fear, control, and hatred into anything that
does not run parallel to its own beliefs. This has caused war and death.
Among many or terrible things. I would continue but im busy. i will chime in again later.





how is this any different than most human institutions?  Let's face it, as a species, we're a pretty aggressive and angry lot

Edited by kyuzo (08/13/10 12:31 AM)

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Re: How do you feel about religion?? [Re: Irishdrunk]
    #459176 - 08/13/10 12:31 AM (13 years, 7 months ago)

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Irishdrunk said:
Hey Deadhearts haha :hi:




Whats up man. Gettin sick of OTD? lol.
Im done with the shroomery man. I will only be lurking
for mushroom cultivation information.

:happyweed:

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Re: How do you feel about religion?? [Re: kyuzo]
    #459177 - 08/13/10 12:34 AM (13 years, 7 months ago)

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kyuzo said:
Quote:

DeadHearts said:
The overall message in most religions (at least the originals)
are very positive. But Christianity and Islam are the two main religions
in which they have been manipulated by the teachers and the students
to put in a level of fear, control, and hatred into anything that
does not run parallel to its own beliefs. This has caused war and death.
Among many or terrible things. I would continue but im busy. i will chime in again later.





how is this any different than most human institutions?  Let's face it, as a species, we're a pretty aggressive and angry lot




What do u mean institutions?? And yes we are but what more reason to
kill each other than over whos god is better :lol:

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Re: How do you feel about religion?? [Re: derelict]
    #459178 - 08/13/10 12:34 AM (13 years, 7 months ago)

Though less widely thought of in such a manner, Buddhism has it's own history of misery: the Himalayan wars between the red and yellow hats,the recently ended serfdom in the same states, and in the modern age we have the recently ended conflict in Sri Lanka

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Re: How do you feel about religion?? [Re: DeadHearts]
    #459180 - 08/13/10 12:37 AM (13 years, 7 months ago)

Human institutions: Institutions are structures and mechanisms of social order and cooperation governing the behavior of a set of individuals within a given human collectivity. Institutions are identified with a social purpose and permanence, transcending individual human lives and intentions, and with the making and enforcing of rules governing cooperative human behavior.[1]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Institution

the cold war was largely based on which economic policy *others* decided to apply

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Re: How do you feel about religion?? [Re: kyuzo]
    #459181 - 08/13/10 12:39 AM (13 years, 7 months ago)

Did you watch the video that was posted?

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Offlinekyuzo
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Re: How do you feel about religion?? [Re: DeadHearts]
    #459188 - 08/13/10 12:56 AM (13 years, 7 months ago)

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DeadHearts said:
Did you watch the video that was posted?




http://conspiracyscience.com/articles/zeitgeist/

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Re: How do you feel about religion?? [Re: kyuzo]
    #459196 - 08/13/10 01:10 AM (13 years, 7 months ago)

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kyuzo said:
Quote:

DeadHearts said:
Did you watch the video that was posted?




http://conspiracyscience.com/articles/zeitgeist/




We are talking about religion here. I know that the rest of the movie
is very questionable. If you watch it and do even a little bit of research then you may be surprised.

"That said, a lot of people claim that "I do not believe everything in the movie, but this thing seems true to me, so you should watch it." Just because something of substance might be found, does not make it a good / factual movie."

:lol: Bullshit

Dont believe everything you read.

This is just another persons opinion.

Do you feel religion to be a good thing?

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Re: How do you feel about religion?? [Re: DeadHearts] * 1
    #459204 - 08/13/10 01:42 AM (13 years, 7 months ago)

Hmmmm....Religion how do I feel lets see.

Religion is nothing more then a way to try and control people. Do this and this will happen to you yadda yadda yadda crap.

The Story of Jesus just how original is it. Lets see.......

Krishna was around 1000 years before Jesus...He was a carpenter, born of a virgin, baptized in a river.

The Persian God Mithra 600 years before Jesus......Born Dec 25, performed miracles, resurrected on the third day, known as the lamb, the way, the truth, the light.

Written in 1280 BC the book of the dead describes a god named Horus....He was said to be the son of God (Osiris), born of a virgin, baptized in a river by Anup the baptizer. Like Jesus Horus was tempted while alone in the desert. He healed the sick, the blind, cast out demons and walked on water, and raised Asar from the dead. (The name Asar translates to the name Lazarus the name of the guy Jesus raised from the dead), and he had 12 disciples. Oh yeah did I mention he was put to death on the cross-----1280 years before Jesus.


Is religion bad now....not sure how to answer this but I'm pretty sure when the Pope goes to a African nation where 50% of the people have aids and tells them not to use birth control that it may not be a good thing.

People are gonna believe what they believe whatever makes ya happy I guess.

Best movie on religion is Bill Raher Religulous

http://thepiratebay.org/torrent/4607507/Religulous_by_Bill_Maher


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Offlinekyuzo
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Re: How do you feel about religion?? [Re: DeadHearts]
    #459207 - 08/13/10 01:52 AM (13 years, 7 months ago)

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DeadHearts said:We are talking about religion here. I know that the rest of the movie
is very questionable. If you watch it and do even a little bit of research then you may be surprised.




they have an entire section dedicated to discussing the movies claims about religion

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DeadHearts said:Do you feel religion to be a good thing?




I would say religion is just as good, or bad, as the individual practicing it. 

But I don't personally subscribe to any religious or spiritual ideas

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Re: How do you feel about religion?? [Re: kyuzo]
    #459213 - 08/13/10 02:47 AM (13 years, 7 months ago)



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the tree.

The man who masters himself is delivered from the force that binds all creatures. GOETHE

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Re: How do you feel about religion?? [Re: derelict]
    #459244 - 08/13/10 06:39 AM (13 years, 7 months ago)

The only religion I see for me is rastafari.

No churches, no temple; your body is the temple already.
Dont give a shit about the color of your skin.

I don't believe jesus came a 2nd time on earth as the king of ethiopia, but at least rastas don't shoot themselves with guns for stupid reasons.

They get high.

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Re: How do you feel about religion?? [Re: Magash]
    #459270 - 08/13/10 08:15 AM (13 years, 7 months ago)

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Magash said:
Hmmmm....Religion how do I feel lets see.

Religion is nothing more then a way to try and control people. Do this and this will happen to you yadda yadda yadda crap.

The Story of Jesus just how original is it. Lets see.......

Krishna was around 1000 years before Jesus...He was a carpenter, born of a virgin, baptized in a river.

The Persian God Mithra 600 years before Jesus......Born Dec 25, performed miracles, resurrected on the third day, known as the lamb, the way, the truth, the light.

Written in 1280 BC the book of the dead describes a god named Horus....He was said to be the son of God (Osiris), born of a virgin, baptized in a river by Anup the baptizer. Like Jesus Horus was tempted while alone in the desert. He healed the sick, the blind, cast out demons and walked on water, and raised Asar from the dead. (The name Asar translates to the name Lazarus the name of the guy Jesus raised from the dead), and he had 12 disciples. Oh yeah did I mention he was put to death on the cross-----1280 years before Jesus.


Is religion bad now....not sure how to answer this but I'm pretty sure when the Pope goes to a African nation where 50% of the people have aids and tells them not to use birth control that it may not be a good thing.

People are gonna believe what they believe whatever makes ya happy I guess.

Best movie on religion is Bill Raher Religulous

http://thepiratebay.org/torrent/4607507/Religulous_by_Bill_Maher



:yesnod::congrats:
Hi Magash hope all is going well my friend


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Re: How do you feel about religion?? [Re: Kilroy]
    #459461 - 08/13/10 04:03 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

Doing pretty well thanks. :thumbup:


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Re: How do you feel about religion?? [Re: derelict]
    #459473 - 08/13/10 04:49 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

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derelict said:
http://www.archive.org/details/NaturenurtureAppetites
http://www.archive.org/details/GenerationAfterGenerationtopologyVersion

How do these songs make you feel ?




Truthfully, not much of an emotional response at all.  But I just find it really hard to care about the subject, in general; being that I'm an atheist and tend to be libertarian in my social views.

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Re: How do you feel about religion?? [Re: kyuzo]
    #459497 - 08/13/10 05:43 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

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kyuzo said:
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FurrowedBrow said:
I generally think that anyone who is serious about a religion is at least partially crazy.  :shrug:  You'd have to be, right?





many of the more liberal sects of Christianity look at the bible as nothing more than a man produced document that presents an enlightened metaphor on how to live a moral existence




Although this kind of christian may in fact exist...... I have never seen one :shrug:


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like a calcareous tumor or cyst
that begins growing in the personality
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Re: How do you feel about religion?? [Re: niteowl]
    #459504 - 08/13/10 05:52 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

It's like a conspiracy, brah:

Liberal Christianity, broadly speaking, is a method of biblical hermeneutics, an undogmatic method of understanding God through the use of scripture by applying the same modern hermeneutics used to understand any ancient writings. Liberal Christianity does not claim to be a belief structure, and as such is not dependent upon any Church dogma or creedal statements. Unlike conservative varieties of Christianity, it has no unified set of propositional beliefs. The word liberal  in liberal Christianity denotes a characteristic willingness to interpret scripture without any preconceived notion of inerrancy of scripture or the correctness of Church dogma.[2] A liberal Christian, however, may hold certain beliefs in common with traditional, orthodox, or even conservative Christianity.

In the 19th century, self-identified liberal Christians sought to elevate Jesus' humane teachings as a standard for a world civilization freed from cultic traditions and traces of "pagan" belief in the supernatural.[3] As a result, liberal Christians placed less emphasis on miraculous events associated with the life of Jesus than on his teachings. The effort to remove "superstitious" elements from Christian faith dates to intellectual reformist Christians such as Erasmus and the Deists in the 15th–17th centuries.[4] The debate over whether a belief in miracles was mere superstition or essential to accepting the divinity of Christ constituted a crisis within the 19th-century church, for which theological compromises were sought.[5]

Attempts to account for miracles through scientific or rational explanation were mocked even at the turn of the 19th–20th century.[6] A belief in the authenticity of miracles was one of five tests established in 1910 by the Presbyterian Church to distinguish true believers from false professors of faith such as "educated, 'liberal' Christians."[7]

Contemporary liberal Christians may prefer to read Jesus' miracles as metaphorical narratives for understanding the power of God.[8] Not all theologians with liberal inclinations reject the possibility of miracles, but may reject the polemicism that denial or affirmation entails.[9]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberal_Christianity



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niteowl said:
Quote:

kyuzo said:
Quote:

FurrowedBrow said:
I generally think that anyone who is serious about a religion is at least partially crazy.  :shrug:  You'd have to be, right?





many of the more liberal sects of Christianity look at the bible as nothing more than a man produced document that presents an enlightened metaphor on how to live a moral existence




Although this kind of christian may in fact exist...... I have never seen one :shrug:



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Re: How do you feel about religion?? [Re: kyuzo]
    #459802 - 08/14/10 03:42 AM (13 years, 7 months ago)

That sounds similar to gnosticism to me

Like I said, I have never seen such a christian ...but I live in the bible belt sooooo :ohwell:


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