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House and Garden nutrients?
    #438695 - 06/28/10 01:16 AM (11 years, 6 months ago)

Anyone use these in coco? I acquired a bunch and am looking to see peoples experiences. I personally am very skeptical about the Shooting Powder and Drip Clean.


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Re: House and Garden nutrients? [Re: maryanne3087]
    #438851 - 06/28/10 02:19 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

Nobody on this site uses H & G that I'm aware of. I know their coco line has a huge following and everything they make is high quality. The owner developed most of Canna's lines in the 80's before starting H & G on his own. The two lines are still almost identical down to the feeding guidelines so I don't think you can go wrong.

A = A
B = B
Drip Clean = D-Block
Shooting Powder = Boost
Root Excel = Rhizotonic
Top Booster = PK 13/14
Etc.


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Re: House and Garden nutrients? [Re: Crusty Ass Bastard]
    #439192 - 06/29/10 11:50 AM (11 years, 6 months ago)

I don't think I can agree with you.

Boost NPK = 0-0.1-0.1 Shooting Powder = 0-42-27 these aren't even recommended for the same thing!

Rhizotonic = 15ml a us/gal and Roots Excel = 1ml per metric gal Roots Excel has also been far more successful. Maybe this is just more concentrated? I doubt it though.

Top Booster is 0-7-5.8 and PK 13-14 is 0-13-14.

I haven't heard of D-block so I can't comment.


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Re: House and Garden nutrients? [Re: maryanne3087]
    #439501 - 06/29/10 10:07 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

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Rhizotonic = 15ml a us/gal and Roots Excel = 1ml per metric gal Roots Excel has also been far more successful. Maybe this is just more concentrated? I doubt it though.




Rhizo is only 15ml/gal until the root system is established. It is 2ml/gal once established. Are you saying you have tried both and excel has been more successful for you?

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Top Booster is 0-7-5.8 and PK 13-14 is 0-13-14.




Slightly different formula but same concept and fills the same niche in their line. Rest on the list are the same way just posted so you would be more familiar with the H&G stuff if you already knew canna's line or vice versa.


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Re: House and Garden nutrients? [Re: Crusty Ass Bastard]
    #439794 - 06/30/10 07:39 AM (11 years, 6 months ago)

Saying something is similar and "still almost identical" are two very different things. Top Booster at 0-7-5.8 vs the PK13-14 at 0-13-14 seems like a huge difference to me. How about the Boost you said was "still almost identical" to the shooting Powder? 0-0.1-0.1 vs 0-42-27? The top booster is only supposed to be used for 3-4 days then cut for a few days followed by the shooting powder. PK 13-14 @ 6ml gal = 0-103-212 Top Booster 0-7-5.8 @ 5.7 ml/gal (recommended)= 0-57-86 seems pretty different to me. Percentage wise. PK 13-14 has 49% P in contrast to K, Top Booster has 66%

As for the Rhizotonic vs. Excel, From my research on either lineup of nutes I've never really seen as many positive reviews for the Rhizotonic as I have the Excelurator. Not only that, it seems that far more people have used the Rhizotonic and either not been happy or weren't sure as to it doing much at all and it seems just about everyone who used Roots Excelurator said something along the lines off "I won't veg without it" I still think 15 times the dosage and then twice the dosage once roots are established is quite the difference. This could of course be caused by House and Garden just being a new name and being more trendy however I still doubt them being "still almost identical" due to their dosage difference.


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Re: House and Garden nutrients? [Re: maryanne3087]
    #439813 - 06/30/10 09:38 AM (11 years, 6 months ago)

The lines *are* nearly identical even if a couple of the additives might not be.

Again, nobody here uses their line.


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Re: House and Garden nutrients? [Re: maryanne3087]
    #439822 - 06/30/10 10:06 AM (11 years, 6 months ago)

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This could of course be caused by House and Garden just being a new name and being more trendy however I still doubt them being "still almost identical" due to their dosage difference.




House & Garden is not a new name. They are the UK leg of Van De Zwann House which has been one of the international nutrient titans for 20 years. Their gear can be had at most of the hydro stores in the USA and dominates the EU along with Canna.

Need to look at non-GH USA brands for new names.


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Re: House and Garden nutrients? [Re: Crusty Ass Bastard]
    #439836 - 06/30/10 11:02 AM (11 years, 6 months ago)

So far it only seems the base nutrients to be similar.

House and Garden has been around for 20 years or Van De Zwaan has? I thought they were relatively new or up and coming. There website says 10+ years for HG I've just started seeing them up here in Ontario recently (last couple years)when I was in Europe I heard about Canna mostly however I don't try to keep up with the latest nutrient trends.


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