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OfflineChapter 4

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I see flies and larva, and my leaves are going funny!?!?
    #122972 - 09/16/08 02:47 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

Would love ANY help.

first, as per the instructions to the sticky here we go.  pictures at bottom, can provide more of detailed areas if you need.

1. Are you growing from seed or clones?
Seeds

2. How old are your plants?
about 2 weeks for the larger one, 1.5 for the smaller one.

3. How tall are your plants?
9cm and 2 cm

4. What size containers are they planted in?
1.5 gallon pots each.

5. What is your soil mix?
mostly coco with perlite and some added slow release pellets (organic...bird poop).  there is also a touch of sand, and some worm castings mixed in and the bottom is that round small lava rock type stuff for drainage.


6. How often do you water and what type of water do you use?
every day or every second day.  i put half my finger down, if its dry i water.  tap water, which is ground water.


7. What is the pH of your water?
PH 7

8. What kind of fertilizer do you use and what is its NPK ratio?
Scotts or peters (forget) 20-20-20 (i have only used 2 times at half strength...i think this is the problem with the small plant, i burned it.

9. Do you foliar feed or spray your plants with anything?
no

10. What kind of lights do you use and how many watts combined? (HPS, MH, fluorescent, halogen, incandescent "plant lights")
CFL and 2 24" tubes  about 200W total

11. How close are your lights to the plants?
3" is the closest for th ebigger, 6 for the smaller....up to 9" away.

12. What size is your grow space in square feet?
7?  the box is 15" deep by 65" wide...the platns only occupy half right now, the other half has no lights and other plants.

13. What is the temperature and humidity in your grow space?
too hot i know, but there is little i can do about it here... 27-33C and usually around 70% humidity, unless rain storms when its 90%


14. What is the pH of the soil?
from the runnoff i have gotten a 6.5-7 reading using paper strips and aquarium test kits.

15. Have you noticed any insect activity in your grow space?
flies, see pics below.

16. How much experience do you have growing?
outdoors, a fair bit, indoors none....seen as this is indoors, im just gonna say i know nothing, cause it seems rather different!


there is also a fan going all day everyday.  not directly on the plant, but they do move with a tiny draft, its aimed at the lights.

i saw these fuggers going crazy with the lights.  they are flies, what kind i have no idea.  i also saw them in the dirt, and now i spotted a couple worms!!!

i also used the 20-20-20 (i know it was stupid!) one watering, then skipped then used again the following watering, which was one day apart.  i think this is whats wrong with the small one, i burned it...what do you think.  its the small one i see bug larvae in as well, the larger one i have not...but they are next to each other, so if one has em i bet both do.

photos.  ps, they were taken with lights on, which is a bad idea cause they look washed out.

the big plant, showing orange on leaves.




little plant looking like shit!




the bugs!
flies ps. canadian coins are same size as US coins.  penny, nickel, dime.



worms only about 2-3mm long, 1mm thick.  white and move like inchworms. by small piece of perlite....sorry for the focus, so tiny and moving!


ps. this is not in canada or the US, it is in a tropical area abroad.


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Re: I see flies and larva, and my leaves are going funny!?!? [Re: Chapter 4]
    #123079 - 09/16/08 08:28 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

lol dude that blows


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Re: I see flies and larva, and my leaves are going funny!?!? [Re: dude7932288]
    #123473 - 09/17/08 02:50 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

well ya....i knew that much, any ideas??

the little one is toast, pretty sure i fugged it with the nutes.  i threw the soil out as well, dont like worms.

any thoughts?


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Re: I see flies and larva, and my leaves are going funny!?!? [Re: Chapter 4]
    #123657 - 09/18/08 06:45 AM (8 years, 2 months ago)

If they are anything like fungus gnat larva they are damaging the root system.


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Re: I see flies and larva, and my leaves are going funny!?!? [Re: Magash]
    #123738 - 09/18/08 05:54 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

i'd also like to point out that in a soilless mix, a PH of 7 or so is way to alkaline.  You want it closer to 5.8.  Even though it is soilless i wouldn't have have given them nutes until your three bladed leaves grew a little bigger, 1/4 strength would also be a little more appropriate for something that small.  20-20-20 is extremely strong.

As for your bugs, a little diatemaceous earth would probably help kill off the larvae/worms.  You need to kill off the babies as well as the larger bugs to prevent the infestation from taking over.

Hate to say it, but, as for your small plant i wouldn't put too much energy into saving it, it looks pretty toasted, and it would be easier to start new seeds then try to save something that small.


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Re: I see flies and larva, and my leaves are going funny!?!? [Re: coda]
    #123879 - 09/19/08 01:50 AM (8 years, 2 months ago)

ya thanks man! i started new seeds....wont be doing that mistake with the nutes again.  the bigger one is growing super thick and bushy though!  any idea whats up with its leaves?  is that nute burn?

i will be lowering the ph, thanks!


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Re: I see flies and larva, and my leaves are going funny!?!? [Re: Chapter 4]
    #124159 - 09/20/08 12:12 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

On when you have the new seedlings, I've heard that neem oil is an effective anti-pest foliar applicant.  It is organic, and might prevent further problems with the flies. (which by the way are reeally ugly)


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Re: I see flies and larva, and my leaves are going funny!?!? [Re: 81renaissance]
    #124494 - 09/21/08 03:18 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

neem oil may be effective somewhat, it's more of a way to help curb mold problems, but even so it won't affect the larvae of the flies.  If the files still are able to breed and do so, killing off the adult flies won't solve the problem.

Also, be warned, neem oil is probably one of the most foul smelling substances in this world.  Getting that shit on my hands was one of the worst experiences ever lol


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Re: I see flies and larva, and my leaves are going funny!?!? [Re: coda]
    #124535 - 09/21/08 05:26 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

Right, also, just to clarify I was talking about treating the new grow with neem oil as a preventive measure, not as a solution to the current problem. 
I would also respond by saying that neem oil really is an effective measure for keeping pests at bay  not just to battle mold.


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Re: I see flies and larva, and my leaves are going funny!?!? [Re: 81renaissance]
    #124729 - 09/22/08 10:13 AM (8 years, 2 months ago)

flies and babies are gone, nothing much came of them....i also have a resident ladybug that isn't leaving (do they eat ants???) and the odd firefly comes in at night.

but my leaves still have problems at the base....i haven't given any ferts in 2 weeks, so i dont see how it can be nute burn....i water everyday.  probably heat then?  its usually 88-95.


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Re: I see flies and larva, and my leaves are going funny!?!? [Re: Chapter 4]
    #124748 - 09/22/08 11:12 AM (8 years, 2 months ago)

Do you mean that the problem is still there, or that it has been getting worse? Pictures would be really nice. :smile:


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Re: I see flies and larva, and my leaves are going funny!?!? [Re: Sirius]
    #124928 - 09/23/08 01:52 AM (8 years, 2 months ago)

it was getting worse, but only on those leaves.  i cut em off cause i couldn't stand looking at them anymore, and there are offsets at every leaf, so they can get more light without being blocked by brown leaves.

right now the very bottom leaves are turning a little yellow.  i have not fertilized one yet, and i have gotten the ph down to 6.5....still a little high, but i am working on it.



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Re: I see flies and larva, and my leaves are going funny!?!? [Re: Chapter 4]
    #125054 - 09/23/08 03:39 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

what's the PH?  Your leaf margins are curling which is a sign of a few things.  Temps and PH are the most common.


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Re: I see flies and larva, and my leaves are going funny!?!? [Re: coda]
    #125217 - 09/24/08 08:42 AM (8 years, 2 months ago)

ph is around 6.5 now....trying to get it lower, jsut taking a little while....any suggestions for safe methods that will get it down faster?

heat is in the high 80's and very low 90's now....down from the 90-100 it used to be :shocked::smile:


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Re: I see flies and larva, and my leaves are going funny!?!? [Re: Chapter 4]
    #130158 - 10/08/08 01:37 AM (8 years, 2 months ago)

do you have a growlog for this plant? if so post it, i dun want to look for it :smile2:


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Re: I see flies and larva, and my leaves are going funny!?!? [Re: dude7932288]
    #130439 - 10/08/08 02:36 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

the log is here.....i just planted it in 2 cake boxes :smile:

http://www.growery.org/forums/showflat.php?Cat=0&Board=7&Number=114900&page=0&fpart=1

i should note that i have found the problem of the dieing seedlings to be heat...all better now.

the flies are gone, as are the worms...they proved harmless.


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Re: I see flies and larva, and my leaves are going funny!?!? [Re: Chapter 4]
    #417110 - 05/13/10 12:09 PM (6 years, 6 months ago)

ugh nasty bugs!!!!


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Re: I see flies and larva, and my leaves are going funny!?!? [Re: lostinbq]
    #417119 - 05/13/10 12:34 PM (6 years, 6 months ago)

Indeed. But did you need to bump a year old thread to state the obvious? The "Are you sure you have something new and relevant to add?" button must have flown right by you :rolleyes:


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Re: I see flies and larva, and my leaves are going funny!?!? [Re: Chapter 4]
    #417269 - 05/13/10 06:55 PM (6 years, 6 months ago)

This thread has been closed.

Reason:
Unfortunately this is not the tomb of lazerus, so dead threads will stay dead! :P


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