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Hempy Buckets
    #10253 - 04/23/08 11:18 AM (11 years, 4 months ago)

I've been reading about this method of cultivation for a few weeks now.  It's similar to hanky's coco method but it uses different medium and a mod to a bucket to make the system idiot proof.

Basically its taking a 3-5 gallon plastic bucket, drill a hole two inches from the bottom of the bucket, then fill the bucket with a 50/50 mix of verm and perlite.  You water it just like hanky does with his coco, this system does use a lot of nutes and requires a decent amount of watering, but you have the added benefit of the hole in the bucket which prevents overwatering.

Basically the bucket is made to simulate a water table in nature.  Early on you keep the waterings light and centered around the stem of the plant as the roots grow down to the bottom of the bucket.  The two inches of the bucket below the hole act as a resevoir.  The roots grow through the medium and hit the rez and then just go crazy.  As i already stated the hole in the bucket is for overflow, once the roots hit the bottom you water the bucket until you see a little drainage and then stop.  The plant then sucks the water up in the rez and thrives.  Another added benefit to this system is you don't have to balance your PH, you don't need PPM/TDS/EC meters, and you can feed your plants full strength nutes from the get go. (EDIT: Yah, definitely wrong on this one lol.  Even though hempy claims you don't need one, you do.  Spend the cash and get a decent meter)  The last, and biggest, bonus is that these things are insanely cheap to build and fill with medium.

I'll be making a hempy bucket in the future to toss in next to my soil girls.  If it proves to be as easy as i've read im switching over permanently from soil. :smile:


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Re: Hempy Buckets [Re: coda]
    #10620 - 04/23/08 04:59 PM (11 years, 4 months ago)

I don't understand how it makes it so you don't have to balance pH and can give full strength nutes from the start.


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Re: Hempy Buckets [Re: SmallTime]
    #10636 - 04/23/08 05:16 PM (11 years, 4 months ago)

Verm and Perlite are additive free and don't effect your PH.  Because there are no additives within the medium you can start feeding full strength right from the get go.  The person who designed the system used GH's 3 part nutrient lineup and noted that at full strength PH of his solution was around 6.0-6.2.

(EDIT: Hempy must be extremely lucky, you would be better off buying a meter and testing your solution)

You don't have to feed at full strength if you don't want to, but, you are able to.  You can buy a meter if you feel it's needed but the majority of people who use this system don't even bother and have some damn good results.


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Re: Hempy Buckets [Re: coda]
    #18104 - 05/03/08 10:19 AM (11 years, 4 months ago)

What I'm wondering is where i'd get rid of buckets of verm and perlite. Coir or soiless I can dump in my compost but I don't think I'd want to dump 9, 5 gallon buckets of v/p mix in it a few times a year.


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Re: Hempy Buckets [Re: pornorob]
    #18254 - 05/03/08 02:43 PM (11 years, 4 months ago)

if you wanted to, although i wouldn't bother, you can reuse the perlite.

However in this day and age we have a wonderful invention called a black trash bag. Works pretty well at concealing the contents, it's portable, fits in your trunk, and deposits pretty well in random trash dumpsters.

I got rid of all my old soil that way. Would bag it up with a fresh bag, wait til it was dark out, throw the bag in my trunk, and head over to a random apartment and dump the bag in a dumpster.


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Re: Hempy Buckets [Re: coda]
    #26962 - 05/12/08 12:26 AM (11 years, 4 months ago)

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Re: Hempy Buckets [Re: Lucky7s]
    #27080 - 05/12/08 01:53 AM (11 years, 4 months ago)

there are plenty of ways to revitalize your soil. I just didn't have the room or ability to do so. It was a lot easier for me to just trash it and start fresh, but fuck was it expensive lol.


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Re: Hempy Buckets [Re: coda]
    #27090 - 05/12/08 02:03 AM (11 years, 4 months ago)

Once agian, coda thanks for being the only mod that gives two shits about this place. Great info btw.


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Re: Hempy Buckets [Re: coda]
    #69922 - 07/02/08 12:53 PM (11 years, 2 months ago)

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coda said:
I've been reading about this method of cultivation for a few weeks now.  It's similar to hanky's coco method but it uses different medium and a mod to a bucket to make the system idiot proof.

Basically its taking a 3-5 gallon plastic bucket, drill a hole two inches from the bottom of the bucket, then fill the bucket with a 50/50 mix of verm and perlite. 




You're wrong, The ratio of Perlite to Vermiculite is 3:1 or even 4:1.

the original thread by Hempy himself

You don't know how excited I am that this method is spreading, this is probably the simplest most idiot proof way to grow weed and its growing popularity means more large scale grows.


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Re: Hempy Buckets [Re: Slay the Dragon]
    #70532 - 07/02/08 10:54 PM (11 years, 2 months ago)

you could collect the run off nutrients and feed them to another plant too

this seems pretty awesome.


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Re: Hempy Buckets [Re: coda]
    #234539 - 05/31/09 01:31 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

I would disagree with a few things here. ( Not meaning to jump your thread)

I grow 100% Hempy buckets. All indoor........

First thing, the mix is 3:1 Perilite to Verm (# parts perl, 1 part verm)
I usually mix that amount bulk in a canister.
For the adventurous you can use 100% Perilite....( have started from germed seed straight to perilite.....

When you nute, you must PH the water!!!!
Perilite is PH neutral but to maximize your nutrient absorbtion rate, you MUST PH.........

I personally love this method, my Brother and I grow exculsive HEMPY!!!
It rocks...

Pics to come soon


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Re: Hempy Buckets [Re: tonysoprano6379]
    #234540 - 05/31/09 01:33 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

And I almost forgot,,,,,,

For all you soil growers, faster growth....... NO PESTS>>>> Hempy Rocks!!!


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Re: Hempy Buckets [Re: tonysoprano6379]
    #234552 - 05/31/09 02:01 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

I would love to see some pictures of your results. Soil is awesome, and the hippies love hearing the shit is organic, but hempy buckets sound like the best introductory hydroponic method I've heard of in awhile


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Re: Hempy Buckets [Re: Harry_Ba11sach]
    #234606 - 05/31/09 04:11 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Like I said I will get some pics rolling in the next few days.
The beautiful thing about it is that is you use the organic nutes you'll have the best of both worlds......... And Dro' prices.........


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Re: Hempy Buckets [Re: coda]
    #234767 - 05/31/09 10:29 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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coda said:
I've been reading about this method of cultivation for a few weeks now.  It's similar to hanky's coco method but it uses different medium and a mod to a bucket to make the system idiot proof.

Basically its taking a 3-5 gallon plastic bucket, drill a hole two inches from the bottom of the bucket,
You forgot to mention it varies on size of pot yiou are using... and that it should be a 1 inch hole 2 inches from the bottom.
then fill the bucket with a 50/50 mix of verm and perlite.
Actually it 3 parts perlite to 1 part vermiculite.
  You water it just like hanky does with his coco, this system does use a lot of nutes and requires a decent amount of watering, but you have the added benefit of the hole in the bucket which prevents overwatering.
The point of the hole is to allow more oxygen to the rootzone. i water my hempys every other day, in plastic cups, every three days in 5 gallon pots.


Basically the bucket is made to simulate a water table in nature.  Early on you keep the waterings light and centered around the stem of the plant as the roots grow down to the bottom of the bucket. 
Not true, you water until you see water come out the hole, otherwise the little bit you put in will be evaporated by the end of the day....
The two inches of the bucket below the hole act as a resevoir.  The roots grow through the medium and hit the rez and then just go crazy.  As i already stated the hole in the bucket is for overflow,
oxygen once the roots hit the bottom you water the bucket until you see a little drainage and then stop.  The plant then sucks the water up in the rez and thrives.  Another added benefit to this system is you don't have to balance your PH, you don't need PPM/TDS/EC meters, and you can feed your plants full strength nutes from the get go
Bro, if you do this, your plants will die. You always check PH, if not the plant will not take up the nutrients needed. You never slam full nutes to a plant from the jump, always introduce nutes gradually to prevent burning...
The last, and biggest, bonus is that these things are insanely cheap to build and fill with medium.

I'll be making a hempy bucket in the future to toss in next to my soil girls.  If it proves to be as easy as i've read im switching over permanently from soil. :smile:



My question is.....Why in gods name would you try to provide ionformation on something you have never done??
I use hempys, you obviously do not....ANYBODY WANT REAL USEFULL INFORMATION, please get at me.
I can help you grow great trees in hempy buckets with pics to prove it. Just ask, as i know i am a newb, only to this site. Been on another i don't think i'll mention for sometime. There they have the hempy collective, maybe i can pull some of my journals off and paste them into my own thread, but a newb, so if any questions or can give me some info on this new site, please get ahold of me
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Re: Hempy Buckets [Re: coda]
    #234768 - 05/31/09 10:32 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Verm and Perlite are additive free and don't effect your PH.  Because there are no additives within the medium you can start feeding full strength right from the get go.  The person who designed the system used GH's 3 part nutrient lineup and noted that at full strength PH of his solution was around 6.0-6.2.

You don't have to feed at full strength if you don't want to, but, you are able to.  You can buy a meter if you feel it's needed but the majority of people who use this system don't even bother and have some damn good results.



I am curious as to if you even know who actually started this setup?
The mix does not have any special power to repel un-PH'd water...LOL!!
Can i please see some pics of the grow you have going on?


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Re: Hempy Buckets [Re: Slay the Dragon]
    #234771 - 05/31/09 10:36 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Slay the Dragon said:
Quote:

coda said:
I've been reading about this method of cultivation for a few weeks now.  It's similar to hanky's coco method but it uses different medium and a mod to a bucket to make the system idiot proof.

Basically its taking a 3-5 gallon plastic bucket, drill a hole two inches from the bottom of the bucket, then fill the bucket with a 50/50 mix of verm and perlite. 




You're wrong, The ratio of Perlite to Vermiculite is 3:1 or even 4:1.

the original thread by Hempy himself

You don't know how excited I am that this method is spreading, this is probably the simplest most idiot proof way to grow weed and its growing popularity means more large scale grows.



I was looking, but then i read this post.
thanks for posting that here, if i get some free time, i'll post my hempy transplanting tutorial from my other site. This is my tutorial and not someone elses, so please dont think i am copying some other work and claiming it for mine. Give me some time, me and you, and tonysoprano can teach these boys all about the hempy grows!!


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Re: Hempy Buckets [Re: Harry_Ba11sach]
    #234778 - 05/31/09 10:53 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Harry_Ba11sach said:
I would love to see some pictures of your results. Soil is awesome, and the hippies love hearing the shit is organic, but hempy buckets sound like the best introductory hydroponic method I've heard of in awhile



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Re: Hempy Buckets [Re: lilmafia513]
    #234795 - 05/31/09 11:43 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Dude, I literally already had the Hempy Collective thread open in my other browser as I was reading your post. If you were indeed involved with that thread then I would certainly say you have experience! Wow!

On the other hand, I have seen MANY gorgeous pictures of grows by Coda, and I don't think you should be so quick to discount his experience either :wink:
He may not do it exactly how you do, but I can say that he canc certainly get it done

Welcome to the Growery buddy, I'm glad to see another experienced participant around here!


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Re: Hempy Buckets [Re: Harry_Ba11sach]
    #234800 - 06/01/09 12:03 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

i understand he may have a great level of knowledge when it comes to growing ganja, but he is giving advice on a setup he has never used, and only read about.
I am by no means trying to diminish his rep on this site, but think he just use it before he promotes it to work out the kinks he learns on his first hempy grow.
I think he was mislead by what he read, and am only trying to clear it up for him before he attempts what he read.....and fails his first hempy grow. Just want his first time to be the best time...LOL!!!


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Re: Hempy Buckets [Re: lilmafia513]
    #234801 - 06/01/09 12:11 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Right on :hi5:

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Re: Hempy Buckets [Re: Harry_Ba11sach]
    #235855 - 06/03/09 09:22 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Dude, I literally already had the Hempy Collective thread open in my other browser as I was reading your post. If you were indeed involved with that thread then I would certainly say you have experience! Wow!
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if you were on the right site, im a member there, you probably seen my name in the Hempy collective thread somewhere..LOL!

if you are there frequently get at me, i got some good pics there i can show ya., and some great people to talk with about growing.


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Re: Hempy Buckets [Re: lilmafia513]
    #236065 - 06/03/09 08:11 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Alright motherfucker, I had to re-pot my babies tonight because they were starting to outgrow their solo cups (4th leaf set after only 2 weeks!) so I drove to my local hydro store and bought a bag of perlite. I had them in organic soil and they were doing wonderfully, but I'm fuckin' sick of buffering soil pH, and dealing with compaction issues etc, so now I'm trying my first Hempy bucket ever!

Woot! I'll post some updates in a week or so.

Oh and one thing, I fucked up a little cutting my hole, so my res in the bottom of the bucket is only about 1/2" to 3/4" deep, will this still work out okay?


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Re: Hempy Buckets [Re: Harry_Ba11sach]
    #236079 - 06/03/09 08:49 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Is it a five gallon you are going into?

If you messed up, just use duct tape to cover the hole, or that shiny metal tape they use on HVAC duct.

Then cut a new hole.

If you leave it this way, you will just have to water more often later when the roots fill the rez. and suck it all up fast.


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Re: Hempy Buckets [Re: lilmafia513]
    #236098 - 06/03/09 09:41 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

actually no, it's in probably only a gallon post or so. I'm a little limited on space so a 5-gallon bucket is too excessive, but this pot should be large enough to get it a good foot tall or so. I suppose I can transplant later, but I'll probably just flower it in this container.


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Re: Hempy Buckets [Re: Harry_Ba11sach]
    #236328 - 06/04/09 11:44 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

After only 12 hours I can already see a noticeable improvement in my plants. I was dealing with some major pH issues (fucking store-bought soil :crankey:) and my leaves were really curling under from a bit of over-fert, but after only 12 hours in a hempy bucket the leaves are almost entirely back to normal, and the pH caused magnesium lockout has already made noticeable improvement.

I'm really excited to see how this progresses :grin:


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Re: Hempy Buckets [Re: lilmafia513]
    #311789 - 11/07/09 03:19 PM (9 years, 10 months ago)

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The point of the hole is to allow more oxygen to the rootzone. i water my hempys every other day, in plastic cups, every three days in 5 gallon pots.




I disagree, the point of the hole is to allow for drainage.  It's there for simplicity, it prevents you from over watering your plants.  Unless you're forcing air through your drainage hole the amount of extra oxygen it produces for your roots is minimal.

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Not true, you water until you see water come out the hole, otherwise the little bit you put in will be evaporated by the end of the day....




Again, I disagree.  Would you place a seedling in soil and flood the medium with water and expect it to be happy?  The same thing applies for a hempy grow.  Why would you water until you fill the bottom if the root system is no where near the size to utilize.  A.) that's a waste of water b.) that's a waste of nutes c.) that's a waste of time.  As your root system becomes more established you increase the volume of water you feed until the roots have grown enough to hit the rez at the bottom.  When root systems are small, smaller volumes of water are required to keep the plant healthy.  You go drowning a seedling in the beginning and you're asking for trouble.

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Bro, if you do this, your plants will die. You always check PH, if not the plant will not take up the nutrients needed. You never slam full nutes to a plant from the jump, always introduce nutes gradually to prevent burning...




Why?  If I know that the PH of my solution will be a constant 6.0 why would I need to constantly check PH?  Why would I need to invest money in a worthless PH/EC/TDS pen?  If you're worried about PH, buy some strips, check your solution, and go.  But if 8 mls of FN Bloom + my tap water = 5.8-6.0 PH that won't change much if at all if I stick with the same formula.  If my plants suffer somehow from a PH shift, they'll tell me, and I'll correct it. 

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I am curious as to if you even know who actually started this setup?
The mix does not have any special power to repel un-PH'd water...LOL!!




Do I know him personally?  No.  Do I know who started it?  I was directed to a thread on the now defunct hg420.com a long while ago.  And what the hell is un-PH'ed water?  All water has a PH, you can't "un" PH water.

I didn't start this thread as a specific guide on how to grow hempy, the first post in this thread by me is an OVER VIEW of this method.  No, I have not grown (yet) using hempy, my plants in my closet will be going through it though.  I have, however, read enough freaking hempy grow threads to last me a lifetime.  Everyone has their own ways of doing things, this method is no different.  The point is that it's an extremely easy, low cost, effective way to grow cannabis.  It's more forgiving then soil, easier to manage then an ebb + flow table, works in grow areas of all sizes, and requires a very minimal effort on the part of the grower to produce fantastic cannabis at the end.

I definitely don't mind people questioning me, I'm not infallible I make mistakes.  But there's no excuse for coming in here and accusing me of speaking out my ass, I certainly wouldn't mind discussing your counter arguments in a more productive manner and welcome all discussion on this method.  Now that I'm finally in a position to grow again I'll be able to add in personal experience to the book knowledge I have on growing hempy style.


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Re: Hempy Buckets [Re: coda]
    #314438 - 11/11/09 11:18 PM (9 years, 10 months ago)

Thanks for all of the great info. I am sold on this method and when the time is finally right this is what I am going to use. You helped this noob find a great simple system. If there is anything I have learned from fungi its to keep things simple. Complex systems can be great but introduce more variables and with that problems.


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Re: Hempy Buckets [Re: shpongled]
    #315552 - 11/14/09 08:15 PM (9 years, 9 months ago)

ive only done a couple plants with this method.

and ive found a few faults.

once the root system hits that res. it seems to slow its growth a lot.
each plant had a very small root system, although the taproot gets super thick.

also there seems to be a bit of some kind of bacterial growth where the water sits.

i also found that they respond much better if you let 10% or so of your nute
solution over flow out.

but still...a small root system. and i really think the quality is governed
by how large your system is

also. this method is not for the large crop.
it takes a lot of water and nutes. a lot of cleanup after overflows.

e+f is much more suited for commercial crops. oh and the roots go nuts!

so with all this in mind, i think a normal bucket with drain holes,
a nice fat layer of coco the bottom like 1-2 inches worth,
then fill it up with perlite. would perform a tad better.

now before anyone flips... id like to say that hempy DOES work.

im sure hempy put years of experience to the test to create this method.
And he has come up with a way to let the simple minded begin to understand hydroponics.

but is just that. a simple route to understand hydroponics.

once you get this down. go ahead and move along. there is always something better

again.... im not knocking hempy or his bucket. im just a thinker...


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Re: Hempy Buckets [Re: boomsaway]
    #315659 - 11/14/09 11:27 PM (9 years, 9 months ago)

what do you mean by e+f?


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Re: Hempy Buckets [Re: Harry_Ba11sach]
    #315665 - 11/14/09 11:45 PM (9 years, 9 months ago)

ebb and flow?


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Re: Hempy Buckets [Re: captain.koons]
    #315703 - 11/15/09 12:44 AM (9 years, 9 months ago)

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Re: Hempy Buckets [Re: Harry_Ba11sach]
    #424797 - 05/27/10 09:12 PM (9 years, 3 months ago)

i plan on doing a pictural hempy tek completly explained and showed so cant wait =]


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Re: Hempy Buckets [Re: revmn]
    #478864 - 09/18/10 01:07 AM (9 years, 2 days ago)

Awesome!!!
keep the hempy alive and going......ill be around now and then :smile:


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Re: Hempy Buckets [Re: lilmafia513]
    #485715 - 10/07/10 12:05 AM (8 years, 11 months ago)

Does anyone have links to a beginners guide on this technique?

It sounds great. There was only one link in this post and I get an error message when I click it.

Many of the posters in this thread seem to me to have much experience under their belts. Can you please point a total noob in the right direction?

thank you much.

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Re: Hempy Buckets [Re: Pandor]
    #486510 - 10/09/10 09:45 PM (8 years, 11 months ago)

I'd recommend just searching around on this site (grow journals particularly) and Google.  The concept is relatively simple, and easily adaptable.  Here's what I do:

-drill hole 1-1.5" from bottom of 4 gallon container
-fill container with perlite (you can use varying ratios of perlite & vermiculite, which would probably help with water retention and cation exchange capacity)
-transplant a plant into the container
-feed with FloraNova Grow/Bloom until a bit runs out of the hole (I hate dealing with runoff, so I don't water to that point.  I just flush the plants out occasionally so salts don't build up)
-flush for ~1 week before harvest
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Re: Hempy Buckets [Re: God]
    #486572 - 10/09/10 11:54 PM (8 years, 11 months ago)

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I'd recommend just searching around on this site (grow journals particularly) and Google.  The concept is relatively simple, and easily adaptable.  Here's what I do:

-drill hole 1-1.5" from bottom of 4 gallon container
-fill container with perlite (you can use varying ratios of perlite & vermiculite, which would probably help with water retention and cation exchange capacity)
-transplant a plant into the container
-feed with FloraNova Grow/Bloom until a bit runs out of the hole (I hate dealing with runoff, so I don't water to that point.  I just flush the plants out occasionally so salts don't build up)
-flush for ~1 week before harvest
-get high




Thank You
Thank You
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I will look up some more grow logs, but I really love the post you gave me and your signature.

I keep coming back here once or twice a day, and it's amazing how fast I am understanding this stuff and learning.

I appreciate the help.


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Re: Hempy Buckets [Re: Pandor]
    #486603 - 10/10/10 03:27 AM (8 years, 11 months ago)

:highfive: keep us updated


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Re: Hempy Buckets [Re: God]
    #486904 - 10/11/10 01:22 PM (8 years, 11 months ago)

I'm not starting to January. So don't think I won't be all over pictures when it happens, it is just going to take a little bit.

I'll document it all and make a nice thread for everyone to view.


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Re: Hempy Buckets [Re: Pandor]
    #486950 - 10/11/10 04:59 PM (8 years, 11 months ago)

Cool, well stick around and hang out until then, learn ya some shit.  We've got a great little community here.


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Re: Hempy Buckets [Re: God]
    #488173 - 10/15/10 11:57 AM (8 years, 10 months ago)

Original link in this thread isn't working for me.

This is a youtube video that shows the process:


There are a lot of hempy buckets being used in the grows posted at youtube.  I am surprised how massive some of the 1 gallon plants are.


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Re: Hempy Buckets [Re: CrayolaHalls]
    #493331 - 10/29/10 11:44 PM (8 years, 10 months ago)

Here is a revised version of the original Hempy Collective from another site, which is also helpful for our great hobby :smile:CLICK HERE FOR HEMPY LOVE


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Re: Hempy Buckets [Re: boomsaway]
    #496070 - 11/07/10 08:30 PM (8 years, 10 months ago)

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once the root system hits that res. it seems to slow its growth a lot.
each plant had a very small root system, although the taproot gets super thick.

also there seems to be a bit of some kind of bacterial growth where the water sits.

i also found that they respond much better if you let 10% or so of your nute
solution over flow out.






I've been seriously considering doing hempy buckets for our next grow, but the idea of having the water at the bottom of your bucket with no way out would be a perfect place for bacteria to fester in. At least it seems that it would be to me.

Maybe adding a drain-hole and cork on the very bottom to drain any standing water while the plant is too small to reach that deep? Or would that be overcomplicating things?

Also, would it be worthwhile to use this style medium on a SoG with 25 2-liter bottles on top of a table that slopes into a drain? I'd probably have to water more often, with less water each time though, right?


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Re: Hempy Buckets [Re: Tank333]
    #496072 - 11/07/10 08:39 PM (8 years, 10 months ago)

If you're doing things properly the plant drinks at a fast enough rate that the water gets replaced freqently, so it doesn't have time to go stagnant or nasty.

I've seen some SoG small style Hempy's, seemed to work just fine. I've been considering the same thing, but I really wanna get away from watering my plants by hand, as it is, my 5 gallon buckets drink a gallon twice a week.


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Re: Hempy Buckets [Re: DieselB]
    #496076 - 11/07/10 08:55 PM (8 years, 10 months ago)

Mhmm... I'm probably gonna end up using a beer-bong or something to help with watering so I don't have to reach too far over all the rest of the plants... i'd hate to see 4% of my work get ruined by snapping one of the plants...


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Re: Hempy Buckets [Re: CrayolaHalls]
    #496739 - 11/10/10 12:08 AM (8 years, 10 months ago)

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Original link in this thread isn't working for me.

This is a youtube video that shows the process:


There are a lot of hempy buckets being used in the grows posted at youtube.  I am surprised how massive some of the 1 gallon plants are.




nice link


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Re: Hempy Buckets [Re: Pandor]
    #497797 - 11/13/10 07:18 PM (8 years, 10 months ago)

What grades of perlite and vermiculite are folks choosing for these hempy buckets?


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Re: Hempy Buckets [Re: Psuper]
    #497872 - 11/14/10 02:35 AM (8 years, 10 months ago)

I use medium/coarse perlite, and don't bother with the verm.  However, I think people generally go for the big shit.


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Re: Hempy Buckets [Re: God]
    #502342 - 12/01/10 04:57 PM (8 years, 9 months ago)

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I use medium/coarse perlite, and don't bother with the verm.  However, I think people generally go for the big shit.




A grower on another forum did a side by side of 30verm/70perlite vs 100% perlite and the verm/perlite had wayyyyyyyy bigger roots his side by side comparison was done using peppers and the results were so significant a very small sample would be convincing. If I ever went hempy I'd have to use verm or coco + perlite rather than pure perlite.


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Re: Hempy Buckets [Re: maryanne3087]
    #502364 - 12/01/10 06:53 PM (8 years, 9 months ago)

I stopped using the verm because a.) it was fucking impossible to find in my area in a decent qty b.) Thought it was the cause of my algae problem (light leaks turned out to be the culprit).

I'd be willing to give the verm a go again and do a side by side comparison, using verm is a PITA honestly but if it does help produce better plants I'm all for it.  I just never noticed much of a difference between straight perlite and mixed, in fact each successive grow with the strains I've been running has been getting better and better. 

Just was thinking though, isn't this observation kind of a "no shit, sherlock" moment?  You would think that providing additional water retention to your plants roots you will produce a much healthier root system.  Not always the case I know, but it just seems kind of obvious.  Be nice if I could just buy some premixed stuff because I hate mixing the two together.


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Re: Hempy Buckets [Re: coda]
    #502367 - 12/01/10 07:00 PM (8 years, 9 months ago)

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I stopped using the verm because a.) it was fucking impossible to find in my area in a decent qty b.) Thought it was the cause of my algae problem (light leaks turned out to be the culprit).

I'd be willing to give the verm a go again and do a side by side comparison, using verm is a PITA honestly but if it does help produce better plants I'm all for it.  I just never noticed much of a difference between straight perlite and mixed, in fact each successive grow with the strains I've been running has been getting better and better. 

Just was thinking though, isn't this observation kind of a "no shit, sherlock" moment?  You would think that providing additional water retention to your plants roots you will produce a much healthier root system.  Not always the case I know, but it just seems kind of obvious.  Be nice if I could just buy some premixed stuff because I hate mixing the two together.




Mixing doesn't sound that bad to me. Maybe you're exceptionally lazy?

I thought it was a fairly obvious outcome but I'm often surprised by my assumptions being incorrect. It's hard to figure out what the perfect mixture of water retention and air space is in a medium, I had no doubt that straight perlite was a less than perfect medium.


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Re: Hempy Buckets [Re: maryanne3087]
    #502394 - 12/01/10 08:22 PM (8 years, 9 months ago)

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Mixing doesn't sound that bad to me. Maybe you're exceptionally lazy?




No, it's the fact that perlite (and in some cases the verm) are very dusty and I dislike being coated in the dust and dealing with a dust mask.  Plus I don't like my pets breathing it in and I can't mix outside due to paranoia and common sense :wink:

Just because I hate doing it doesn't mean I won't.  Honestly though, if I could grow a crop just as well in straight perlite vs the mixed substrate, wouldn't even you skip out on it?  I did my first hempy grow following his instructions on mixing up the substrate, then I did my next grow using straight perlite.  The mixed substrate didn't seem to offer me anything beneficial compared to using straight perlite.  I never really saw my plants wilt and the last harvest gave me plants the yielded just a few grams shy of 3 oz per plant.  So needless to say I've been very happy with straight perlite so far.

Regardless, it never hurts to try things over again.  Having one bucket with verm in it next grow will be fun, have a little mini showdown between the methods :smile:


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Re: Hempy Buckets [Re: coda]
    #502399 - 12/01/10 08:34 PM (8 years, 9 months ago)

Without doing a side by side it's really hard to say what medium you're more successful with. Naturally the more experience you get the better you will grow making less mistakes and such learning how to optimize your garden, etc.


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Re: Hempy Buckets [Re: maryanne3087]
    #502572 - 12/02/10 03:41 PM (8 years, 9 months ago)

Has anyone used this method for their first grow? Or generally does everyone start with soil?


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Re: Hempy Buckets [Re: Pandor]
    #502583 - 12/02/10 04:23 PM (8 years, 9 months ago)

I think Harry_Ballsach's first grow was hempy buckets.

Integra21 on this website started in DWC, he started the seeds in soil but then cloned the motherplants into DWC (hydro).

Amongst my first indoor grows were coco, which is a form of hydroponics/soilless growing.

I know people who dove into large ops with hydro, some successful, some not. IMO there's a learning curve to growing and it's good to start with soil if you're not familiar with problems to expect. I think that coco is easier than soil and is a lot more problem free. Soil is bad for bugs or at least can be, it's also heavy as fuck, you can easily over water soil.

Coco is cleaner so less bugs, it comes in compressed bricks, it doesn't create huge dust clouds of glass (I believe this is an accurate description?), and it's very hard to overwater you can easily keep your coco saturated and instead of becoming water logged the coco will just continue to drain if you keep watering. I actually water up to 150-200% of the containers volume.


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Re: Hempy Buckets [Re: maryanne3087]
    #502622 - 12/02/10 07:33 PM (8 years, 9 months ago)

Do you leach your coco or do the bricks you buy come pretreated for you?


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Re: Hempy Buckets [Re: coda]
    #502623 - 12/02/10 07:43 PM (8 years, 9 months ago)

I've bought a lot of coco brands.

Botanicare is very good and wouldn't need any rinsing / pre treatment. This coco is steam sterilized and really consistent.

Mo Koko is also very good and ...... """"" This coco is listed under some RHP Dutch thing which basically certifies it as high grade organic horticulture worthy shit.

Canna and B'cuzz are good but who ever pre treats them seems to fuck up a lot. I've rinsed my coco by saturating it and getting 100% run off (100% volume of the pot in water and it had a EC of 3.5-4 or something)

Personally, I have "different" feeding methods than 99.99% of the canna world so I rinse all coco, and pretreat it myself I could for sure use either the Mo Koko or botanicare without rinsing/pretreating.


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Re: Hempy Buckets [Re: maryanne3087]
    #504788 - 12/11/10 03:29 PM (8 years, 9 months ago)

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I think Harry_Ballsach's first grow was hempy buckets.






:lol: not even close. My first grow log posted on this website was a Hempy grow, but that was hardly my first grow ever :wink:


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Re: Hempy Buckets [Re: Harry_Ba11sach]
    #504882 - 12/12/10 02:21 AM (8 years, 9 months ago)

How does the watering and feeding schedule of Hempy compare to Soil?  Do you water every day, or does the perlite/vermiculite mix hold moister for a few days?  Do you feed every watering?


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Re: Hempy Buckets [Re: muse42]
    #505029 - 12/12/10 05:20 PM (8 years, 9 months ago)

Harry has a grow log of hempy buckets you can check out. I've gone through it twice now, well worth looking at.


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Re: Hempy Buckets [Re: maryanne3087]
    #579524 - 08/20/11 05:40 AM (8 years, 1 month ago)

Here is my soilless grow in a 2 quart container with no drainage hole and no PH balancing and no PPM meter, 90F temps and 15% humidity. I like to do things the right way! :cool: Grown under DIY LED.



She is 31" tall with a 21" budsicle. I may be dreaming, but seems like it will yield close to 2 ounces.


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Re: Hempy Buckets [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #745994 - 09/01/14 03:12 PM (5 years, 17 days ago)

Anybody growing hempy anymore???


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Re: Hempy Buckets [Re: lilmafia513]
    #746941 - 09/08/14 04:03 PM (5 years, 10 days ago)

I never have but was wondering if these could be done outdoors? What I'm getting out of this is basically you fill a 5 gallon bucket with perlite, maybe a bit of verm, and then drill a 1" diameter hole 2" from the bottom of the bucket. Then just top feed? With this system would you do feed-water-feed or water-water-feed? Also how often would you water/nute? seems like with just perlite it would dry up very fast.


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Re: Hempy Buckets [Re: webster10]
    #747155 - 09/09/14 05:26 PM (5 years, 9 days ago)

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I never have but was wondering if these could be done outdoors? What I'm getting out of this is basically you fill a 5 gallon bucket with perlite, maybe a bit of verm, and then drill a 1" diameter hole 2" from the bottom of the bucket. Then just top feed? With this system would you do feed-water-feed or water-water-feed? Also how often would you water/nute? seems like with just perlite it would dry up very fast.



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Re: Hempy Buckets [Re: roxxor]
    #747233 - 09/09/14 11:00 PM (5 years, 9 days ago)

hempy is a soilless like set up.
So once you start feeding it's just feed feed feed.
Yes it could be done outdoors.
And the larger the plant the more often you have to feed, don't forget environment will affect this as well.  Things like heat, humidity, etc...


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    #747284 - 09/10/14 08:10 AM (5 years, 9 days ago)

Heat would obviously cause you to have to water more frequently. How would humidity affect watering schedule?
Also nice to know about the feeding schedule, thank you very much for that info.
I might try one of these outdoors next year.


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    #747437 - 09/10/14 11:43 PM (5 years, 8 days ago)

OK, yes hempy can be done outside, but as you said, you need to water more frequently, and i dont leave mine in constant sunlight, more an area where the sun peeks thru the trees throughout the whole day.
Another good idea is to bury your pot underground for the cooling, and pulling up out the hole to water.

Your mix is 3 parts perilite, to 1 part vermiculite, or adjusted as needed based on temps. and humidity. more vermiculite if it dries out too fast, and less if it stays too wet, it all depends on your environment, like any other grow method.

Yes 1" hole 2" up, and you can play with this also to adjust watering intervals, higher and smaller for longer wet times.

Also, like any other grow method, you watch your plants for feeding schedules. I always wait untill my plants show me signs of needing water and nutes. But as a rule of thumb i try to do at least every other watering with nutes.
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Re: Hempy Buckets [Re: lilmafia513]
    #747461 - 09/11/14 08:19 AM (5 years, 8 days ago)

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I've been reading about this method of cultivation for a few weeks now.  It's similar to hanky's coco method but it uses different medium and a mod to a bucket to make the system idiot proof.

Basically its taking a 3-5 gallon plastic bucket, drill a hole two inches from the bottom of the bucket,
You forgot to mention it varies on size of pot yiou are using... and that it should be a 1 inch hole 2 inches from the bottom.
then fill the bucket with a 50/50 mix of verm and perlite.
Actually it 3 parts perlite to 1 part vermiculite.
  You water it just like hanky does with his coco, this system does use a lot of nutes and requires a decent amount of watering, but you have the added benefit of the hole in the bucket which prevents overwatering.
The point of the hole is to allow more oxygen to the rootzone. i water my hempys every other day, in plastic cups, every three days in 5 gallon pots.


Basically the bucket is made to simulate a water table in nature.  Early on you keep the waterings light and centered around the stem of the plant as the roots grow down to the bottom of the bucket. 
Not true, you water until you see water come out the hole, otherwise the little bit you put in will be evaporated by the end of the day....
The two inches of the bucket below the hole act as a resevoir.  The roots grow through the medium and hit the rez and then just go crazy.  As i already stated the hole in the bucket is for overflow,
oxygen once the roots hit the bottom you water the bucket until you see a little drainage and then stop.  The plant then sucks the water up in the rez and thrives.  Another added benefit to this system is you don't have to balance your PH, you don't need PPM/TDS/EC meters, and you can feed your plants full strength nutes from the get go
Bro, if you do this, your plants will die. You always check PH, if not the plant will not take up the nutrients needed. You never slam full nutes to a plant from the jump, always introduce nutes gradually to prevent burning...
The last, and biggest, bonus is that these things are insanely cheap to build and fill with medium.

I'll be making a hempy bucket in the future to toss in next to my soil girls.  If it proves to be as easy as i've read im switching over permanently from soil. :smile:



My question is.....Why in gods name would you try to provide ionformation on something you have never done??
I use hempys, you obviously do not....ANYBODY WANT REAL USEFULL INFORMATION, please get at me.
I can help you grow great trees in hempy buckets with pics to prove it. Just ask, as i know i am a newb, only to this site. Been on another i don't think i'll mention for sometime. There they have the hempy collective, maybe i can pull some of my journals off and paste them into my own thread, but a newb, so if any questions or can give me some info on this new site, please get ahold of me
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So your suggestion to me was to put my hempy a little below ground in order to keep the res cool and lengthen time in between waterings. But you tried to tell that guy that the hole was exclussively for oxygen exchange for the roots down in the res. How would the hole allow oxygen in the hole if the hole is below ground?

Maybe I could just dig a 2" hole so only the res is underground? Would that even be worth doing? Lol.

Well anyways, thanks for the advice.


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Re: Hempy Buckets [Re: webster10]
    #747656 - 09/11/14 11:40 PM (5 years, 7 days ago)

Yes this is true, the hole is for oxygen, but the majority is being pulled thru the top of the pot or cup you are using. This person was explaining that the whole was to resist over watering, but how can it be over watered? As you water from the top of the pot, it soaks all the medium on the way down, and leaving a hole in the side allows it to pour out once filling the res at the bottom.

My idea would be too dig the whole a little more round than needed and backfill with sand. still leaving a little room between the side of the hole and the side of the pot.


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Re: Hempy Buckets [Re: lilmafia513]
    #747674 - 09/12/14 07:38 AM (5 years, 7 days ago)

Ok again thanks for the information. I'm just not quite sure how there would be space between the side of the hole and the bucket if I just backfilled the hole with sand. I also would like to know if this idea would work.

Would installing a small screen at the base of the 1" hole to block perlite/verm from getting into the res be a good idea? I'm thinking this would increase available space in the res to allow for more root development. The only thing I'm having trouble of thinking of is a screen that is small enough to block perlite and verm from falling through but big enough to allow roots to grow through it.


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Re: Hempy Buckets [Re: webster10]
    #747819 - 09/12/14 11:54 PM (5 years, 6 days ago)

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webster10 said:
Ok again thanks for the information. I'm just not quite sure how there would be space between the side of the hole and the bucket if I just backfilled the hole with sand. I also would like to know if this idea would work.

Would installing a small screen at the base of the 1" hole to block perlite/verm from getting into the res be a good idea? I'm thinking this would increase available space in the res to allow for more root development. The only thing I'm having trouble of thinking of is a screen that is small enough to block perlite and verm from falling through but big enough to allow roots to grow through it.



Look up using sand for a cooler, google it, lol its real lol.
You wont have a problem with root growth or water staying in the bottom long. within 24 hrs, most of the actual water in my cups, yes i grew colas in red solo cups, was absorbed into the medium. The cups were still heavy, just no run off when tilting the cup towards the hole side.
I wouldnt worry about putting a screen in the bottom, You want the roots to reach the bottom of the res. Ill post a pic of my transplant to show you the root zone coming out of a red solo cup going into a kitty litter bucket lol.....brb....


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Re: Hempy Buckets [Re: lilmafia513]
    #747821 - 09/13/14 12:04 AM (5 years, 6 days ago)

I dont know if i am allowed to do this or not, but i have previously stated in the past that i was on another forum as well, The site i went to after the shut down of Overgrow.....if anybody remembers those days...
But here is a link to my hempy transplant, hope it helps...
Click Here


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Re: Hempy Buckets [Re: lilmafia513]
    #747844 - 09/13/14 07:50 AM (5 years, 6 days ago)

Thanks for that information man. I have heard and learned from experience that transplanting autos will basically make them produce next to nothing. So I popped my seed directly into my 5 gallon hempy to germinate. Any tips for germing seeds directly in hempys?


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Re: Hempy Buckets [Re: lilmafia513]
    #747906 - 09/13/14 04:45 PM (5 years, 5 days ago)

Quote:

lilmafia513 said:
I dont know if i am allowed to do this or not, but i have previously stated in the past that i was on another forum as well, The site i went to after the shut down of Overgrow.....if anybody remembers those days...
But here is a link to my hempy transplant, hope it helps...
Click Here




I was a moderator at Overgrow. You may already have this but here is there faq as of the day they got busted.

https://www.drugs-forum.com/growfaq/GrowFAQ%20Basic%20Topics.htm

This isn't ICMAG bro you can mention the name of other forums. :crazy2:

if you have good write ups on other forums you can just link them if you want. (of course cut and paste is just as easy but the link option is always open)


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Re: Hempy Buckets [Re: Magash]
    #748103 - 09/14/14 09:32 PM (5 years, 4 days ago)

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Magash said:
Quote:

lilmafia513 said:
I dont know if i am allowed to do this or not, but i have previously stated in the past that i was on another forum as well, The site i went to after the shut down of Overgrow.....if anybody remembers those days...
But here is a link to my hempy transplant, hope it helps...
Click Here




I was a moderator at Overgrow. You may already have this but here is there faq as of the day they got busted.

https://www.drugs-forum.com/growfaq/GrowFAQ%20Basic%20Topics.htm

This isn't ICMAG bro you can mention the name of other forums. :crazy2:

if you have good write ups on other forums you can just link them if you want. (of course cut and paste is just as easy but the link option is always open)


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I was on the OG for a few months before it "WENT AWAY", and began my learning there. Very sad day when we lost that site....
Anyhoo...im here sometimes and on the other site. I have tried to broaden my skills to outdoor also, so i only come on about 2-3 times a week just to see if i can help out at all. On both the good and bad side, there are sooo many people growing now, its hard to help, or debate opinions with everybody out there now...


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Re: Hempy Buckets [Re: webster10]
    #748118 - 09/14/14 10:16 PM (5 years, 4 days ago)

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webster10 said:
Thanks for that information man. I have heard and learned from experience that transplanting autos will basically make them produce next to nothing. So I popped my seed directly into my 5 gallon hempy to germinate. Any tips for germing seeds directly in hempys?



be careful not to overwater, it has to dry out as to not rot off at the stalk where it comes out of the medium.


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Re: Hempy Buckets [Re: lilmafia513]
    #748193 - 09/15/14 12:48 PM (5 years, 3 days ago)

Thanks for the tip


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