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Next Step?
    #87821 -

alright, so i had gotten a clone in soil weeks ago and i've been taking care of it pretty well, it's just as green as it was when i first got it and doesn't look weak or dying at all. Which was what i thought i was going to screw up on. Anyway, should i give it some nutrients in this stage and also should i be moving it to flowering or am I looking for something to happen first? i'm a total n00b any help would be great :whatwhat:

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Re: Next Step? [Re: Butters]
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no nutes.

how much root space does that lil girl have?

shes focussing all her energy into makin roots right now, thats why you dont see foliar growth, once she starts producing new growth its time to put her into her final destination, and then id still give about 2 weeks b4 nutes.

GL bro


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Re: Next Step? [Re: Butters]
    #87854 -

What size container is it in and what kind of soil?  So the clone has been in soil for 2 weeks? Is it growing out yet or still establishing its roots?

I'd say most likely NO, most soils have plenty of nutes in them already so you shouldn't have to feed it till it gets bigger.

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Re: Next Step? [Re: Chronicbs]
    #88009 -

you guys are so helpful okay, she's been in almost 2 weeks, she's in a solo cup since i can't see the roots how should i know when it's done rooting?

Edited by Butters (07/19/08 02:26 PM)

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Re: Next Step? [Re: Butters]
    #88197 -

It doesn't really get "done" rooting, its just a clone doesnt veg/grow until it establishes its roots.  You can tell its roots are established because it will start vegging/growing.  It will still grow roots until deep into flower.

You can tell its rootbound when roots start growing out of the pots/cups drain holes, or you find yourself having to water too frequently.

You shouldn't have to fert it at all in a small cup unless its rootbound, the soil should be plenty hot enough till you have a big hungry plant in a bigger pot.

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Re: Next Step? [Re: Chronicbs]
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got it thanks

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Re: Next Step? [Re: Butters]
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Butters said:
you guys are so helpful okay, she's been in almost 2 weeks, she's in a solo cup since i can't see the roots how should i know when it's done rooting?


What size container are you planning on transplanting it into, and how long are you planning to keep it in the vegetative state before you switch the light cycle over for flowering? Do you know what strain you are running, or at least whether it is indica dominant or sativa dominant?


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Re: Next Step? [Re: Sirius]
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Sirius said:
Butters said:
you guys are so helpful okay, she's been in almost 2 weeks, she's in a solo cup since i can't see the roots how should i know when it's done rooting?


What size container are you planning on transplanting it into, and how long are you planning to keep it in the vegetative state before you switch the light cycle over for flowering? Do you know what strain you are running, or at least whether it is indica dominant or sativa dominant?


I wouldn't know what size should be next, that'd be my next question. I would keep it in the vegetative for about 5-7 more days before moving it over. I think that'd be right. This is a Sativa dominate Hybrid. Larry OG.

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Re: Next Step? [Re: Butters]
    #88346 -

What light are you going to use with how many plants in flower.

Edited by Chronicbs (07/19/08 05:38 PM)

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Re: Next Step? [Re: Chronicbs]
    #88348 -

cool this is stuff i need to know...

right now i'm using a grow plant from target also it's getting some sun rays through it's day cycles.

So what light do i work with next?

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Re: Next Step? [Re: Butters]
    #88349 -

This is one plant for now, i'm going to get another clone to replace the one in vegetation right now and cycle them out like that

Edited by Butters (07/19/08 05:41 PM)

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Re: Next Step? [Re: Butters]
    #88400 -

hmmm, one plant indoors you can get away with 1 gallon pot. but i wouldnt use something under 3 gal.

big roots = healthy plants.

what kind of lgith from target man?

so let me get this straight, you have your lights on during the day with aditional sunlight getting to the plants. then at night time you have them in total darkness?

bcuz when they have dark, they need total dark or you stand a good chance of them going hermie on you.

wait a little more than 5-7 days b4 switchin her to 12/12

let her get a little bushier and taller. id say give her a month and then switch. once shes rooted, shell really take off.

hope this helps


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Re: Next Step? [Re: just me]
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just me said:
hmmm, one plant indoors you can get away with 1 gallon pot. but i wouldnt use something under 3 gal.

big roots = healthy plants.

what kind of lgith from target man?

so let me get this straight, you have your lights on during the day with aditional sunlight getting to the plants. then at night time you have them in total darkness?

bcuz when they have dark, they need total dark or you stand a good chance of them going hermie on you.

wait a little more than 5-7 days b4 switchin her to 12/12

let her get a little bushier and taller. id say give her a month and then switch. once shes rooted, shell really take off.

hope this helps



WOW thanks so much! Yes it has total darkness at night. it's in my closet (door open) with it's light off, but during the day i pull her out to the middle of my room to get air and sunlight and i bring her light with her. It's like taking care of a baby.

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Re: Next Step? [Re: Butters]
    #88415 -

It's a plant grow light. I can't find the box, I asked the guy working at target if you can grow weed with it and he said yes, but after i left i thought to myself that he probably thought i meant weeds, but that'd be a ridiculous thing to ask, so maybe not, so i'm a little weary on whether or not i got the right light.

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Re: Next Step? [Re: Butters]
    #88416 -

Since its sativa dom, it will stretch a lot in flower.  You will need to top it (probably several times) so it gets bushy and not tall.

Where are you going to flower it? it has to be light proof.  I guess for one plant you should get a 150w hps or a bunch of florescent bulbs on all sides of the plant.

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Re: Next Step? [Re: Chronicbs]
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My closet, you guys are wonderful, 150w HPS is expensive isn't it?

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Re: Next Step? [Re: Chronicbs]
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Chronicbs said:
.  I guess for one plant you should get a 150w hps or a bunch of florescent bulbs on all sides of the plant.


:yesnod:

150 is perfect for 1 plant. but cfl's up and down it are good as well.

the 150 is cheap. its the ballast and all that jazz that gets pricey.

and since you have it in an open space, you wont need to worry about ventilation or cooling it.

just watch out for the smell.

youll come home one day and itll smell like a weed jungle in your room.

btw, the dude knew what you meant im sure, but i think youd better show it to use or give us some details, cuzzzzzzz, most superstore "growlights" suck


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Re: Next Step? [Re: Butters]
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If you're only running a clone at a time, the cheapest, best direction to go with your lighting is to get some CFL bulbs. They fit in regular light-bulb outlets, they don't produce a lot of heat, and they should work decently well for you if you have the right amount of lumens being distributed across the plant well. You'll want to find ones that are at least 20 watts (their actual wattage, not the "conversion wattage" of the regular, incandescent light bulb that people replace with the CFL's), but the main thing is the amount of lumens each bulb produces, which will be listed (get a bulb with at least 2000 lumens). You will probably want a couple. For flowering, you'll want the cool-white bulbs, with the color temperature of around 2500k, and if you decide to use them for vegetative state, you'll want the daylight bulbs, with a color temperature of around 6500k.

I'm out of time, so I'll post more later. :wink:


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Re: Next Step? [Re: just me]
    #88457 -

i dunno how to find out, i guess i'll go back to target when i'm not sick

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Re: Next Step? [Re: Sirius]
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i love cfl's butters(and sirius)

i make a lil hood for 6 45-60w and it does 3 plants ok.

with tube lighting around the side.

like sirius said, the beauty of cfls is the socket size :smile:

let me draw ya up a diagram of the hood


brb



HERES the wiring!: really simple with cfl's




and heres the hood.

its really simple to make as well. you can do all the cutting and bending by hand. use some metal shears.

in each hole in the top the hood is where the double socket goes obviously. you can secure them to the hood any number of ways. and then just run the wiring to an outlet strip.




this is just a simple practical way to make a good cfl hood.

and like u said you move her out into your room. well put some ceiling hooks in the cieling and some chain on the hood and you can raise it as she grows right out there in your room


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Edited by just me (07/19/08 06:52 PM)

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Re: Next Step? [Re: just me]
    #88494 -

cfl?

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Re: Next Step? [Re: Butters]
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Butters said:
cfl?


compact fluorescent, the kind of fluorescent you can screw into a normal light bulb socket.

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Re: Next Step? [Re: Chronicbs]
    #88574 -

the spiraly ones

look like pig tails kinda.


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Re: Next Step? [Re: just me]
    #89002 -

Get a few of these:  They are 3500K color temp which is red and blue together... 30 Actual Watts... 2000 Lumens (At the Home Depot)



Then some of these: Y Sockets



And some of these: Light Bulb Socket



Get an extension cord and cut the end off and wire it to the sockets (like in his photo demonstration)


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Re: Next Step? [Re: Inverted]
    #89004 -

Or just take your 150 dollars and get one of these, you'll be happier in the end and a 150 won't put off too much heat, or if you have bigger balls 250 is what I would start at...You Want This HERE!!!


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Re: Next Step? [Re: Inverted]
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the fact that hes doing it in an open room he could use a 1000w and not worry about the heat :crazy2:

unless you meant heat like the fuzz. if youre paranoid about the fuzz on you, stick with the lower watage hps like 400 or less :lol:

thanks for the real pics inverted :thumbup:


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Re: Next Step? [Re: just me]
    #89194 -

you guys are awesome

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Re: Next Step? [Re: just me]
    #89195 -





I have a shitty camera phone, ignore those black things. That's what she looks like right now.

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Re: Next Step? [Re: Butters]
    #89222 -

wow, your plant is in dire need of light.


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Re: Next Step? [Re: coda]
    #89283 -

i moved it for the picture!

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Re: Next Step? [Re: Butters]
    #89594 -

no, what i meant is that it's not getting enough light.  There's a ton of stretch and almost no new growth on the top.  The leaves don't look to healthy either.


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Re: Next Step? [Re: coda]
    #89635 -

well i bought rooting hormones and i put it all over the plant and it got on the leaves, which is what those white stains are from.

Maybe I should get a different grow light, will that screw up the plant? it's already been in for 2 weeks now

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Re: Next Step? [Re: Butters]
    #89644 -

Butters said:
Maybe I should get a different grow light



:yesnod:


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Re: Next Step? [Re: just me]
    #89803 -

Quote:
well i bought rooting hormones and i put it all over the plant and it got on the leaves, which is what those white stains are from.


why would you cover your plant with rooting hormone?  Rooting hormone is used for cuttings, you dip the stem in it.  If you're talking about a b-1 supplement for root growth, that should be added to water and fed to the plant that way.

Quote:
Maybe I should get a different grow light, will that screw up the plant?


it won't screw up the plant, it'll make it better.  Before you go wasting money on crappy equipment, research first or ask a question on whether or not the light is suitable.  For example, don't go to wal mart and buy one of their 2 ft fluro "grow lights", they sound like they would work but they don't put out nearly enough light as other solutions.


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Re: Next Step? [Re: coda]
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coda said:
Quote:
well i bought rooting hormones and i put it all over the plant and it got on the leaves, which is what those white stains are from.


why would you cover your plant with rooting hormone?  Rooting hormone is used for cuttings, you dip the stem in it.  If you're talking about a b-1 supplement for root growth, that should be added to water and fed to the plant that way.


I followed the directions on the bottle when I applied it. It said that I shouldn't worry if I put a lot on.

As for the Light, I am still sick at home, but when I get better I will look into that. Any Cheap good ones I can find at a local store you may know off hand? CFL's or only for flowering right?

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Re: Next Step? [Re: Butters]
    #89945 -

oh hamburgers

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Re: Next Step? [Re: Butters]
    #89951 -

cfls can be used for veg and flower.

theres different lumens.

and the rooting hormone, you just put it on the stem right?

like dipped the cut end into the bottle?

you didnt wipe it all over the "plant" like you say leaves and all right?


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Re: Next Step? [Re: Butters]
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Butters said:
oh hamburgers


Now your avatar makes me smile instead of creeping me out. :grin:

Take a picture of the bulb you are using, describe the bulb if you can't take a picture easily. If its a usable type of light you probably just have the light too far away as one florescent would be enough for a little sprout like that at the moment.  How close is your light to the top of the plant?  It should just be a few inches if its a florescent.

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Re: Next Step? [Re: Chronicbs]
    #89983 -

well when i bought it[the clone], it was in this square shapped thing with roots already coming out of it, i asked growery if i can dip the end in the hormones and plant it in the soil with the block, and someone said it was fine, is this wrong?

And i didn't purposely get it on the leaves no. That was an accident. So that was just a little.

Edited by Butters (07/21/08 03:44 PM)

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Re: Next Step? [Re: Chronicbs]
    #89985 -

Chronicbs said:
Butters said:
oh hamburgers


Now your avatar makes me smile instead of creeping me out. :grin:

Take a picture of the bulb you are using, describe the bulb if you can't take a picture easily. If its a usable type of light you probably just have the light too far away as one florescent would be enough for a little sprout like that at the moment.  How close is your light to the top of the plant?  It should just be a few inches if its a florescent.


I moved it closer, but it was the most generic grow plant target had, i'm sure the problem is the type of light. Although it gets sun during its day cycle, does that help at all?

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Re: Next Step? [Re: Butters]
    #89998 -



you can't see but there's a holes and cracks for air on the top of the chamber too

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Re: Next Step? [Re: Butters]
    #89999 -

ok

need new light DEFINATELY

the CFL set up we showed you is cheap and easy to get all parts at home depot or lowes.

the rooting hormone wasnt necessary if it was an already rooting clone. but i think a lil extra would only help it.

just watch for new foliar growth and thats when youll know shes ready for a new pot and is rooted.


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Re: Next Step? [Re: just me]
    #90001 -

dude.

take it out of that thing.

remove the foil.

your walls look flat white, theyll do good enough.

maybe get a small computer fan or desk fan on it.

the only reason youd need a weed plant in a box like that is if youre cloning straight from the plant. like no roots, but since yours had roots already, let it just hang out


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Re: Next Step? [Re: Butters]
    #90003 -

perfect, to be honest i think i'll buy the 150 dollar one, because the other one seems like something else i can mess up

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Re: Next Step? [Re: just me]
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just me said:
dude.

take it out of that thing.

remove the foil.

your walls look flat white, theyll do good enough.

maybe get a small computer fan or desk fan on it.

the only reason youd need a weed plant in a box like that is if youre cloning straight from the plant. like no roots, but since yours had roots already, let it just hang out


k i took off the plastic thing and the foil.

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Re: Next Step? [Re: Butters]
    #90007 -

i have a ceiling fan running all day so air circles throughout the whole room and my window is open

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Re: Next Step? [Re: Butters]
    #90014 -

i'm sticking with this avatar btw

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Re: Next Step? [Re: Butters]
    #90015 -


okay so this is what it looks like now

and if you look to the left



well you can't tell anything yet, i'm trying to give perspective...


see, if you go up a little, you'll see my window is open right there, and my fan is on the ceiling
is this okay? I mean, everything except the light

Edited by Butters (07/21/08 04:26 PM)

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Re: Next Step? [Re: Butters]
    #90017 -

yeah it would be better for  you to leave it out infront of that window all day and only use that junk light for as little time as possible.

and i didnt mean for circulation like with mushrooms, i meant to strengthen the stem


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Re: Next Step? [Re: just me]
    #90025 -

oh put it by my window?
haha okay that sounds awesome

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Re: Next Step? [Re: Butters]
    #90027 -

its on my windowsill fuck da police

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Re: Next Step? [Re: Butters]
    #90032 -

fuck da police fuck da police what


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Re: Next Step? [Re: just me]
    #90397 -

just me said:
cfls can be used for veg and flower.

theres different lumens.


I think you mean that there are different color temperatures, not that there are different lumens. :wink:


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Re: Next Step? [Re: Sirius]
    #90503 -

youre a different color temperature(kelvin asshat):razz::hug:


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Re: Next Step? [Re: just me]
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9 days ago


Today



It looks a lot better and bigger to me. Am I right?

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Re: Next Step? [Re: Butters]
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i mean, it did sprout new leaves.

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Re: Next Step? [Re: Butters]
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your plant looks like it's on deaths doorstep.  Transplant that baby and get it some good light.


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Re: Next Step? [Re: coda]
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:lol:


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Re: Next Step? [Re: just me]
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damn, so that's not a good thing?

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Re: Next Step? [Re: Butters]
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yah.  A.) your leaves are terribly discolored which is a sign of a lot of things, however, IMO, it's from a need of a transplant more then anything.  B.) At 9 days your plant should have grown more the one tiny new leaf.  A growth rate that slow points to a bunch of problems.


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Re: Next Step? [Re: coda]
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should i still give it a chance or start over with a better light?

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Re: Next Step? [Re: Butters]
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Well, it isn't dead yet, so, while it might be easier to start over with better conditions, why not try to bring that plant around and learn from the experience first?

You need a plan of action, fast. If you want your plant to make it, or you want to avoid this problem again, you're going to have to pay attention and do what you need to do for it to make it. :grin:

First, you need a better light. Why don't you go back to this post here and read it a couple times? CFL bulbs, available practically everywhere (Wal*Mart, for example), are the perfect solution for what you have going on right now. They'll produce enough of the right spectrum of light, if you get the right one, they plug into a regular light socket (you should be able to screw it in your reflector you have right now, by the looks of it), and they don't produce much heat.

Not all light is the same. Different bulbs have different colors of light, and the plants need only certain colors of light. On top of that, different kinds of light have different intensities, basically the strength of the light. This is measured in lumens.

Now, go out and find a CFL that is in the "daylight" spectrum (the package might say it has a color temperature of around 6500k, but it might not). All bulbs have to list the amount of lumens on the package in the States, so find one that has at least 2000 lumens. These bulbs should be around 20 watts. Pay close attention to the package though, because CFL's are marketed as replacement bulbs for incandescent bulbs, and a lot of times it will also list the wattage of the incandescent bulb that it replaces (for example, an 18w CFL replaces a 75 watt incandescent bulb). If you can, get the highest watt bulb you can find with the most lumens, because the more light that is available for your plant to use, the more resources it will have to grow. :wink:

Your other main opportunity for helping your plant is the container you have it in and the soil you are putting in it. The container is definitely too small for it. You need to find something, I'd suggest at least three times the size (why not go out and find a square-shaped plant pot that can hold three gallons of soil?). When you make the transplant, place the plant deeper into the container so that almost all of her stem is buried in the soil. Your plant stretched pretty far in search of the kind of light that it needs to grow, and placing most of that stem underneath the soil will help keep it shorter and allow the stem that remains above the surface to become more sturdy.

What kind of soil are you using? If you are using cheap soil from a place like Wal*Mart or Target, its very possible that it has too many nutrients or other problems that will harm your plant. Considering that you're in California, there should be readily available grow stores in which you can get better soil to grow in, if you already don't have some of the good stuff. Tell us what kind you are using now and we'll know if it will work for you well or not.

If you take care of giving it enough of the right kind of light, and giving the roots plenty of room to grow, in the right kind of soil, you'll be a lot further along in being able to grow some healthy plants. Then you'll be free to concentrate on things like making sure you're watering right and taking care of other things in the plant's environment. One thing you'll need to take care of soon is getting a good pH meter and learning how to use it, because it is absolutely necessary to make sure the pH level is where it needs to be, or else your plant will be incapable of taking in different nutrients from the soil, which could potentially mean death for your plants.

At the very least, you need to take care of the light and the pot/soil problem ASAP. If you do, the color should start coming back into your leaves, and the plant should start growing faster.


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Re: Next Step? [Re: Sirius]
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^ read that


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Re: Next Step? [Re: just me]
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miracle grow potting mix for vegetables, flowers, and herbs.

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Re: Next Step? [Re: Butters]
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yah, uh, that soil is shit for growing herb in.  I don't know why people use it, it sucks.  You're much better off making your own soil or throwing down the 20 bucks for some fox farm.


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Re: Next Step? [Re: coda]
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miracle grow anything is shitty as fuck

if you use it make sure you bake it first because there will be bug eggs in it.

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Re: Next Step? [Re: Butters]
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Butters said:
miracle grow potting mix for vegetables, flowers, and herbs.


So yeah, new light, new pot, new soil. Do you know everything that you need as far as that goes?


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Re: Next Step? [Re: Sirius]
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:lol:

new setup


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Re: Next Step? [Re: just me]
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yeah the 150 dollar sun machine i'm going to order, and new soil. Miracle grow is shitty, so is target brand lights. The next plant should do much better.

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Re: Next Step? [Re: Butters]
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So you're giving up on the one you have now, even though with a small amount of inexpensive changes, you could turn it around?

Buying an expensive lighting system isn't going to solve all your problems, although having a good source of light is definitely going to pay off. It doesn't matter how good "target brand lights" are, a regular CFL with the right amount of lumens and the right color will more than work for your situation. It sucks that your letting your plant die because you started growing it not knowing what you were doing and now that you've been told how to quickly, easily, and cheaply turn it around, you're not going to try and save it. :rolleyes:


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Re: Next Step? [Re: Sirius]
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fuck it, i'll get the cfl then, i honestly don't want to give up on her either.

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it's been sprouting more leaves and the new leaves are all dark green. :smile:

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It died.

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WTF!>!>!???!?!???


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can't say im not surprised.


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Re: Next Step? [Re: coda]
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It's coming back to life! wait.. oh, nope, it died.

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