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#858578 - 08/23/22 01:41 PM (1 year, 8 months ago) |
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Greetings, Earthlings!
I've always wanted to grow Marijuana for the longest, but never had the time, funds, or legal location to make this possible. Now that everything has been coming together for me, I can finally get started on the Work that I've researched for going on 2 Decades. I already bought a couple Seeds from Seedsman and have a Grow Box that I'm going to make a Cabinet out of (found it in the Basement of my Apt Building), so I just need to get some supplies for the Grow Box. I know I'm going to have some Questions in the coming Weeks and Months, so I hope I don't get on everybody's nerves with my Questions. I hope to learn as much as I can about Marijuana Cultivation as well as share what I've learned.
One Question I have is about what to initially grow my Seedlings in. I remember seeing the Coco pellets as a medium on top of soil, along with some Hydroponic solutions, but I've seen some People raving about Compost Tea being a integral part of their grow. Has anybody used Compost Tea, and if so, what did you think of it? This is also going to be done inside, not outside.
More Questions to come.........
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Compost tea is good stuff, if you're crafty enough to make an AACT brewer I'd say go for it, the only problem is they can be messy and noisy, so make sure you do some research on designs first.
Actively Aerated Compost Tea can be used in organics, as well as in DTW coco grows as an inoculant. If you're going the organics route, you'll want to start up a worm bin, and start researching and gathering/growing local dynamic accumulators for worm fodder. You'll also probably want a worm bin for your AACT brewer, as top quality castings are one of the best inoculants. I'd incorporate some insect frass into your worm bedding as well, for better microbial diversity.
For seed starting, I like to use peat plugs or go straight into a small amount of coco.
Growing in an apartment building, you're going to want 2 carbon filters if you want to be stealthy. Otherwise, pretty much everyone will be able to smell it. You might be able to get away with just one, but some strains can overpower a single carbon filter.
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Re: First-Time Grower & Member [Re: yoosername]
#858589 - 08/23/22 06:09 PM (1 year, 8 months ago) |
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Oh, and welcome to the Growery! 
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#858629 - 08/24/22 07:08 PM (1 year, 7 months ago) |
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Thanks. Most Appreciated. Glad to be here.
Ok, so I see that I'll have to research making Compost Tea again. I haven't read up on it since 2017(?), so I'll just get some Potting Soil in the meantime.
Any recommendations? I'm all ears.
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You're going to want to pick a route to take, either salt fed or organic methods.
For your first grow a good organic soil will take you far, so I'd pick up some from your local hydro or feed store. Fox farm ocean forest is a very popular medium, I would cut it with 25-30% perlite if you use it. Roots organic is supposed to be pretty good too. I use local stuff from a company that makes composts and mixes custom soil blends in Michigan, there is also Build a Soil which can be a little pricey but is good stuff.
Generally you want to avoid shipping things like soil though, so if you can mix a good soil from locally sourced components you'll be better off. That said, a lot goes into constructing a quality living soil, and it can be a daunting task with all the different meals and medium ratios.
The KIS Organics podcast is a good place to learn more about organics.
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#858785 - 08/28/22 01:18 PM (1 year, 7 months ago) |
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Yeah. I'm seeing Fox Farms Ocean Forest ALOT when I was researching this. Black Gold was another name I remember seeing, as well as the Organic Super Soil technique, which sounds like something I'd probably experiment with as well. Have you tried that method before?
Ok. So the dimensions of the Cabinet I'll be transforming into a Grow Box is 42" H x 13" W x 23.5" L. It looks like I could possibly squeeze a couple Autoflowers inside. What I'm trying to figure out is the wattage of the Lights I'm going to install in there. I already know that I'm interested in LEDs, I just need to know how do I figure out the Math in regards to how hot and bright the Lights can get in such a short space.
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Super soil is basically the same as living soil, the idea is to use organic amendments to add nutrients to a peat/compost/aeration mixture. There are many soil recipes out there, coots mix is one of the better ones.
That's a pretty small cabinet, my main problem is usually height. As far as lighting goes, you'll want around 30 watts of LED per square foot of canopy, so a 60 watt light would fit your space well. 1' or 2' strips in a DIY build would work. You'll also need a ventilation fan for fresh air and heat control. If you mount the LED driver outside the cabinet, that should help a bit with heat as well.
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Re: First-Time Grower & Member [Re: yoosername]
#858831 - 08/30/22 09:02 AM (1 year, 7 months ago) |
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OK.
So, I'm looking at some LEDs, thinking about what would be best to use, and I saw these strips from SpiderFarms:
https://www.ledgrowlightsdepot.com/collections/0-100-watt-led-grow-lights-1/products/spider-farmer-30w-uv-led-grow-light-bar
They look cool, but I'm trying to figure out if these come with a driver, like on the Store Website with the other packs, or would I have to buy my own? I'm trying to keep this as self-contained as possible, so I won't have to have so many cords running from this thing. The closest Plug Socket is across the Room, in BOTH directions.
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Those are UV strips, used as a spectrum booster, not a complete grow light by itself. This guide goes over strip builds pretty well.
If you wanted to save some cash, you could also go with regular LED light bulbs with the plastic domes removed. You'd just need enough to equal at least 60 true watts, and some bulb sockets to mount on the top of the grow box.
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#858865 - 08/31/22 05:30 PM (1 year, 7 months ago) |
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Funny that you posted that link. That one was one of many that I researched Yesterday, if not this past Weekend. Looks like I'm on the right path. I'll do something like this when I have more info and time, I plan on making LED Light Bars in the very imminent Future, plus I already have a Soldering Iron w/ Solder, so I'm already prepared. I'm definitely am going to save this Link--Thanks.
Ok, so in regards to Bulbs or Fixtures, this was another that I saw:
https://www.sansiled.com/products/60w-panel-led-grow-light-us-only
I noticed that it pumps over 5000 Lumens, and I know that's pretty high. 2-3000 should be the bare minimum, if I'm not mistaken, so they might be powerful. Here's some bulbs I saw on their site as well:
https://www.sansiled.com/collections/grow-bulbs-us?ref=PCmenu
Do you have any recommendations in regards to a decent Grow Light for a good price? I'm not worried too much about the Food, because I'm going to buy Potting Soil and work on making my own Organic Super Soil, since that's a process that'll take awhile, it's basically like making your own Compost Tea and Compost, and the longer you make it sit, the more potent the Soil becomes (and, don't get me started on the plethora Recipes, COT DAYAMN!!!!). From what I can gather, with the storebought/readymade Potting Soil, all you have to do is add Water, right? Nothing more or less, just make sure that the Water is pH balanced, correct? Plus, since my Seeds arrived Yesterday in the Mail, they're Autoflowers, so they adhere to a different Light and Watering schedule, right?
Fortunately for me, I work at a Hardware Store that my Older Cousin owns, so I can get some of the stuff there, and what they don't have, I'll buy it myself. I know they have Black Gold there, so I have that covered. I was going to by some Fox Farms, but when I saw we had that, I was cool with it.
Anything I should know when I begin to plant and start growing these Autoflowers?
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Small lights are not my specialty, but generally speaking most of the ones with samsung lm301b or h diodes are pretty good.
Spiderfarmer, mars hydro, horticultural lighting group, timber grow lights, and migro are just a few brands.
Best ones I've found are the 420 longboards from Grow Lights Australia, word on the street is they're making strips in the 420 board's spectrum soon.
I'd run the autos on 24/0 or 20/4 schedule, I'd also look into training techniques such as supercropping and scrogging.
Watering takes a while to get the hang of, you could design a wick based bottom watering system for your plants, or use blumats to make things easier eventually, but for now focus on watering when the pots feel light.
For germination I like to do a 12 hour soak in water before planting.
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#858883 - 09/01/22 10:39 AM (1 year, 7 months ago) |
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1nce again, you mentioned something that I've seen On-line--those Samsung LM301B LED panels. I've seen this Atrium lights with those LEDs in them:
https://www.ebay.com/itm/265458637900?hash=item3dce915c4c:g:BzQAAOSwJClhauPV&amdata=enc%3AAQAHAAAAoFiSh6Lr3nXTZk3SRNtdsUXLwtDesV8YaKfLQSnWYHvNM%2BYdYEGP9jYwpEWp41uBipXVnk8wgOLfFXyfAqU2InOyVO7WVmL2vEJCNJ5hjrNmh2pi62BWL6TYUjtP7Q%2FTrQohEjCsBSJg%2FNY5dhQJWd61BqVy2NgkmQf%2FbqIiKCQ9uPVE%2BCre4LoCYwNUwFqD4AsRuzREP9XvyYfvl6jmjG8%3D%7Ctkp%3ABk9SR-KGx_reYA
from what it looks like, I'll need a Meanwell OWA-60U-48 Driver, which I'm sure I can find on DigiKey, a site I'm very familiar with. Definitely feel more and more confident now; everytime I have a Question, you respond with something that I've seen in my Research. Those other lights are too big for what I'm working with, so I'm not interested in those at the moment.
In regards to training Methods, I was going to stick with LST, since they're Autoflowers. I was thinking of Supercropping, but I saw somewhere that Autoflowers might not grow adequately due to the stress associated with it, along with the time constraints.
I bought some Grow Bags, so that should be easy and simple to work with, I can water the Bottom of it to allow the Water to soak through or the Top of it. I would assume that every 3-4 Days the Plants should be watered?
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If you go with that Atreum 10 pack, I'd try to fit two in there, wired in parallel to split the wattage. Eventually you can use the rest of the boards to light a 3x3 or 4x4 tent.
Watering frequency is going to depend on the amount of aeration in your soil, and will be increased with fabric pots, but that should also decrease your chances of overwatering.
It's something you have to get a feel for, but the idea is to never let the soil dry out, while ensuring it stays moist and alive but not oversaturated.
Eventually you'll might need to feed nutrients, there are a number of dry amendments that will work for this, espoma tomato tone is a pretty readily available one. Topdress under the mulch layer and water in, best done before visible deficiencies arise as it can take a while to work.
Your other options are liquid organics, or synthetic nutrients. Liquid organics can be made at home using Korean Natural Farming methods. A FPJ made with horsetail for example could be used as a silica source during stretch to reduce internode spacing, or one made from fruit as a bloom booster.
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#858896 - 09/02/22 05:26 PM (1 year, 7 months ago) |
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Yeah, I've seen the Espoma Tomato Tone at my Job, along with their Bone Meal and other stuff. I'll pick up the Tomato Tone sometime next Week.
When watering, what's the optimal amount--1 Gallon?
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I'd say the optimal amount of water depends on the pot size, medium, and how dry the medium is. Generally what I shoot for is just enough water to completely hydrate the soil, just short of run off.
If your soil gets too dry, it can be hard to rehydrate. A wetting agent such as yucca or soapnuts would help in this case, or aloe to a lesser extent.
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#858902 - 09/03/22 10:45 AM (1 year, 7 months ago) |
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They're going to be 3-Gallon Bags, which is why I assumed it would be a Gallon (speaking of which, they should be arriving today.....)
I think I better cop those Lights today. Still need to grab a few more items like Fans & Filters, Drivers, Digital Thermometers, ect.
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AC infinity has a fan with an environmental controller, the 4" would be fine since I believe it automatically adjusts fan speed to control temp/humidity.
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#858913 - 09/04/22 04:48 PM (1 year, 7 months ago) |
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You'll probably be able to get by with just 1 4" inline fan sucking air out from above the lights. You'll then need to cut a slightly larger passive intake in the bottom, which you will preferably put a filter on to reduce contamination. I'd use cheap replaceable furnace filters, and use some creativity in attaching it to the cabinet.
For a carbon filter, I would go with a reputable one made to fit a 4" fan. Personally I've never used one, but you will need one if you want to have any hope at stealth, two if it is an absolute necessity. After my last grow in my spare bedroom, my entire house smelled like weed for so long that some sealed chocolates I gave my brother smelled like weed. My grow has now been kicked out of the house 
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#858960 - 09/07/22 05:35 PM (1 year, 7 months ago) |
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HA!!!!
Sorry, I wasn't laughing at your misfortune, just that Poop-Butt Batman meme there.
Yeah, that's definitely another worry that I have, which is why I'm taking your advice to heart about doubling up on Filters. That link I sent was for ones used for 3D Printers, from what it looks like (something else I plan on getting in the near Future). If you say getting simple Furnace Filter will do the trick, then I'll cop some of that. I'm sure it shouldn't cost too much.
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To clarify, furnace filter for the intake, carbon filters for the exhaust. I'd get something like this one for the exhaust.
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#859007 - 09/08/22 08:25 PM (1 year, 7 months ago) |
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By intake, do you mean it should be installed inside of the Growbox, or outside of it? Also, how would I attach this Filter you sent a link to me of to the Fan that you also sent a link to me of?
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The passive intake filter can be installed on either the inside or outside, I would prefer to put it on the outside, near the bottom of the cabinet. I believe the carbon filter can be connected to the fan with a short length of ducting.
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#859094 - 09/10/22 05:25 PM (1 year, 7 months ago) |
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Edited by bootcheese3000 (09/10/22 05:26 PM)
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You need a hepa filter for the intake, not a carbon filter.
I don't think ipower is a very quality brand, so I wouldn't be surprised if the fan broke down rather quickly. AC infinity or vortex is what I would go with.
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Vivosun has cheaper lights and tents, so not sure how good their charcoal filter is. I've never bought one, so I have no idea which brands are the best.
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#860102 - 04/12/23 12:03 PM (1 year, 17 days ago) |
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Congratulations on starting your journey into marijuana cultivation! Regarding your question about what to initially grow your seedlings in, there are a few options you could consider. Coco pellets are a popular choice because they provide good drainage and aeration. Hydroponic solutions are another option, but they can be a bit more complex to set up.
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Welcome to The Growery!
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#865827 - 03/31/24 01:07 PM (28 days, 5 hours ago) |
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If you go with that Atreum 10 pack, I'd try to fit two in there, wired in parallel to split the wattage. Eventually you can use the rest of the boards to light a 3x3 or 4x4 tent.
Watering frequency is going to depend on the amount of aeration in your soil, and will be increased with fabric pots, but that should also decrease your chances of overwatering.
It's something you have to get a feel for, but the idea is to never let the soil dry out, while ensuring it stays moist and alive but not oversaturated.
Eventually you'll might need to feed nutrients, there are a number of dry amendments that will work for this, espoma tomato tone is a pretty readily available one. Topdress under the mulch layer and water in, best done before visible deficiencies arise as it can take a while to work.
Your other options are liquid organics, or synthetic nutrients. Liquid organics can be made at home using Korean Natural Farming methods. A FPJ made with horsetail for example could be used as a silica source during stretch to reduce internode spacing, or one made from fruit as a bloom booster.
It's been awhile, but I've started to finally get the nerve up and begin growing some Bud, which will be Northern Lights.
So, I'm in my Grow Chamber, and noticing just how HOT it was getting in there, so I'm about to make a few adjustments to control the Temperature in there (fucker was in the low 80s with Humidity at 35%. Definitely not what I need), one of which is to poke some holes in the Carbon filter that I added to the hole I cut into the bottom of my Grow Chamber. I'm beginning to believe that's the culprit in regards to the Air not circulating like it's supposed to. If that doesn't work, I might just either expose more Air by lifting the small piece of Carbon filter I installed, or remove it altogether.
I have some Black Gold, Perlite, Vermiculite, and a bottle of Alaska Fish Fertilizer. I've been researching to see the proper mixture of it all, but am receiving conflicting answers on the Web. I'm sure this is due to People's own personal tastes and what works for them, but I'm wondering do I need the Perlite & Vermiculite to mix with the Soil, or nah (I remember you mentioning Perlite, so I assume I might not need the Vermiculite)? Also, when do I use the Alaska Fish Fertilizer--during Vegetation, Flowering, or both phases? If I do use both Perlite & Vermiculite, how much do I use to mix with the Black Gold? And, when do I use the Espana Tomato Tome?
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I'd remove the filter if it's restricting airflow.
You can also dim your lights a bit, run the drivers outside the grow chamber, or lower the temp of the room the chamber is in to reduce temps, but increasing airflow is often easiest.
Organic growing is going to be a challenge if you aren't constantly willing to learn. By comparison growing with ionic nutrients is as simple as following numbers on a stick.
A good soil mix usually consists of peat moss and compost, sometimes with added perlite for aeration. Nutrients are added in the form of the Espoma tomato tome upon mixing the soil, and it's then left to sit for a month or more to "cook" while the nutrients become available. Fish hydrolysate can be mixed with water and fed as deficiencies arise, but nutrient imbalances can occur over time if you aren't testing your soil.
To be honest, mixing your own soil can be a pain in the ass. For a first time grower, I'd just buy a bag or two, or go with ionic nutrients like Jacks 321 and grow in hempy buckets with perlite or run to waste in coconut coir. It's a different style of growing but I've come to prefer growing in coco.
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#865851 - 04/01/24 12:33 PM (27 days, 5 hours ago) |
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I'd remove the filter if it's restricting airflow.
You can also dim your lights a bit, run the drivers outside the grow chamber, or lower the temp of the room the chamber is in to reduce temps, but increasing airflow is often easiest.
Organic growing is going to be a challenge if you aren't constantly willing to learn. By comparison growing with ionic nutrients is as simple as following numbers on a stick.
A good soil mix usually consists of peat moss and compost, sometimes with added perlite for aeration. Nutrients are added in the form of the Espoma tomato tome upon mixing the soil, and it's then left to sit for a month or more to "cook" while the nutrients become available. Fish hydrolysate can be mixed with water and fed as deficiencies arise, but nutrient imbalances can occur over time if you aren't testing your soil.
To be honest, mixing your own soil can be a pain in the ass. For a first time grower, I'd just buy a bag or two, or go with ionic nutrients like Jacks 321 and grow in hempy buckets with perlite or run to waste in coconut coir. It's a different style of growing but I've come to prefer growing in coco.
I think I figured it out.
I did as you suggested, which was completely remove the piece of Carbon filter, but this time added the small Humidifier inside spraying Hot Water in a misty vapor--STILL no results. The Temp was in the mid-70s, but the Humidity still remained at 32-34%. Definitely not the results I was looking for.
I then attempted to try and adjust the Lights by playing with the 2 Potentometers on the Driver, but I didn't have a Screwdriver small enough for it, so I decided to try again Today. After more failed attempts trying to use something else, I then had an idea--
--why don't I have the Humidifier spritzing more steam into the Grow Chamber, but leave the Fan off, but the Lights on?
I decided to add the Carbon filter on the back again, but cutting 3 long wide slits on it instead of holes, then placed the Humidifier back inside with the Lights on, but Fan off. After letting it run for possibly 20-30 mins, I checked the Thermometer--
--it was about 80 degrees, but the Humidity at 64%.
At this point, I decided to turn the Fan back on and let it run. After about an hour or so, the Temp dropped to 70.5 degrees and the Humidity at 43%. Just what I needed, the PERFECT Environment for the Grow Chamber.
I shut it all down right now and am trying to get things set up to plant the Seed, but now trying to figure out just how I'm going to combine the Soil with either/or Perlite & Vermiculite. After thinking about it, I'm definitely going to mix the Perlite and Vermiculite with the Black Gold Organic Soil & Fertilizer along with the Espoma. The Instructions on the back of the Bags are helpful in determining just how much to mix. In regards to the Alaska Fish Fertilizer, I saw on the Bottle that it needs to be added to Water, as you already have mentioned, so I'm thinking to NOT wait for deficiencies to present themselves, as it'll be difficult to fix the issue the min I spot them, and just add it to Water when I feel is necessary. I'm trying to remember if the Plant needs more Nitrogen during the Vegetation stage, or Flowering stage, and since Alaska has more Nitrogen in it than the Soil, that's probably when I'll use it a bit more, but not too much.
I also bought an Electric PH Tester for the Soil, something I completely forgot to purchase last Year when I was buying the Supplies and doing more Research, so I should be good there.
I'm definitely doing the Knowledge and not just asking Questions because I'm too damn lazy to figure it out on my own, so I hope I'm not being too much of a bother here. I'm VERY excited to get started on this, and with everything you've taught me, among other Members here and on other Forums, along with the info I've discovered here and there, I'm definitely going to experiment with different types of Grow Methods and Soil mixtures. I'll share Photos when I can.
Thanks for all your Help and Patience.
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I wouldn't worry about the humidity being too low; plants act as humidifiers. Eventually you have to get rid of the excess moisture, figure on venting out or dehumidifying about as much water as you are feeding them.
Some soils have enough nutrients out of the bag, adding more can cause issues, so I'd go easy on the amendments until you know more about your soil.
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yoosername said:
I wouldn't worry about the humidity being too low; plants act as humidifiers. Eventually you have to get rid of the excess moisture, figure on venting out or dehumidifying about as much water as you are feeding them.
Some soils have enough nutrients out of the bag, adding more can cause issues, so I'd go easy on the amendments until you know more about your soil.
Ok. From all of the info I found on-line, it stated that the Humidity has to be between 40-50%, esp since it's going to be Northern Lights, so I'm just making sure I have everything in order on that front. I guess you're saying that even if it drops to around 34% like it was doing this Weekend when I was testing things out, but the Temps remain above 70 degrees, I should be fine. The Thermometer was showing that the Climate was comfortable, even at that stage, so I guess there's nothing to worry about.
I think I might plant the Seed sometime this Week, possibly Tomorrow.
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Environmental control is the name of the game when growing, the better you can dial in your environment the faster your plants will grow and higher quality they will be when harvested. That said, low humidity slows them down a bit, but high humidity can invite diseases. As with most things in life, balance is key. If you really want the best growth rates, you can look into something called "vapor pressure deficit" and try to follow one of those charts. You can start off with high temp and humidity during veg with the right environment, but if you tried that during flower you'd probably get bud rot.
Anyways, the humidity dropping low isn't a big concern, and if you want to really dial in the environment, you'll have to invest in environmental controllers and equipment. The fancier AC infinity fans, for example, have a function that dials their speed down if your humidity's too low, up if it's too high, etc.
Then for the room the chamber draws its air from, you can control humidity with a dehuey, which will also increase temps, and control temps with an AC/heater or fan. Which leads me to my next point.
Ideal temp ranges vary from plant to plant, by as much as 10º. Many do well at around 80º during veg, reduced to around 60º by the end of flower. That temperature reduction is one of the best ways to improve a cannabis crop, but can be difficult when most grow equipment generates heat.
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