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Led light question
    #824726 - 03/15/17 01:28 AM (1 year, 10 months ago)

Well I am ordering LED lights gonna start growing, in videos I see people having lights on? They will have the bloom spectrum on, and at times have just the white light? Are they just doing this so you can see there buds and not under the other spectrum? And how would I operate would I have full spectrum, both settings turned on during bloom, or only veg lights during veg, and bloom light during bloom?  All help will be greatly appriciated and there will be future information from myself as I continue on with the hobby thank all!!!


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Re: Led light question [Re: Jml417]
    #824727 - 03/15/17 01:37 AM (1 year, 10 months ago)

Depends on how much light you have, but the white is for veg and you use both for flower. Sometimes you need to run both in veg. You need more light in flower to support building buds. The more the better for the most part.

Which lights are you ordering? Its important you don't get the wrong one's. The market is very sketchy right now.

Check out the links in my signature for my former setup.


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Re: Led light question [Re: phychotron] * 1
    #824728 - 03/15/17 01:40 AM (1 year, 10 months ago)

1200w advance platinum leds?


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Re: Led light question [Re: Jml417]
    #824729 - 03/15/17 01:46 AM (1 year, 10 months ago)

Phycotron stay with me brotha is greatly appriciate the help, for my first cultivator with guidance I greatly appriciate the silly questions I ask!!! But I promise you be proud!!!!


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Re: Led light question [Re: Jml417]
    #824730 - 03/15/17 01:59 AM (1 year, 10 months ago)

This one?

Bad move. First its a knock off of Advanced LED, which might not be bad in its own but its way to jam packed with diodes. The canopy distance won't be right. The thing will probably bleach too much so you'll need to raise it up real high, but it won't have the area coverage. You'd be better off with 2 fixtures side by side with half the wattage so you can spread the light out a bit more.

What size area are you trying to grow in?


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Re: Led light question [Re: phychotron]
    #824731 - 03/15/17 02:06 AM (1 year, 10 months ago)

Yes that's the one , 15 x 20 room idk what she's gonna do with the room right now I'm still trying to plot all, what do you mean it's a knock off?


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Re: Led light question [Re: Jml417]
    #824733 - 03/15/17 02:07 AM (1 year, 10 months ago)

I've read great reviews about it from several, and bleaching? I'm taking in everything you tell me
I'm just here asking questions brother just so I know more is all, I've read and saw that 18 inches it could be okay?


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Re: Led light question [Re: Jml417]
    #824734 - 03/15/17 02:13 AM (1 year, 10 months ago)

There was a lot of generics out there using that design. It all comes down to having a company in the US handle the warranty and quality control from the factory.

Bleaching the buds white cause the light is too bright. The video they posted shows readings way too high. Its too much of a spot light. Spacing fixtures out and hanging them at the right height is crucial. The area coverage they give is only good for when you have a bunch of them and they overlap.



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Re: Led light question [Re: phychotron]
    #824735 - 03/15/17 02:20 AM (1 year, 10 months ago)

Well Imight just do as you say and load the room up, but if I have to make them higher from the plants, or  I could get different lights, as the spydr lights... or would it not benefit to get them all in there at higher heights,  further away has less micomoles... More= better or am I wrong?


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Re: Led light question [Re: phychotron]
    #824736 - 03/15/17 02:20 AM (1 year, 10 months ago)

https://platinumgrowlights.com/products/p600

that's essentially the same thing that I use. The area coverage they list is more like 4x2 not 5x2. 4x2.5 if you have multiple fixtures.

Compare how they combine the fixtures to make the 1200 and then just double the area coverage but the light is not much wider to compensate. the 90degree lens only goes out so far to the side and the lights just don't have the intensity at the edges like two smaller fixtures would.


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Re: Led light question [Re: phychotron]
    #824737 - 03/15/17 02:22 AM (1 year, 10 months ago)

You think it would be more efficient that way hm?


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Re: Led light question [Re: phychotron]
    #824738 - 03/15/17 02:31 AM (1 year, 10 months ago)

The premise behind LED growing is that you spread the diodes out as much as possible over the plants to evenly distribute the light.

Having a bunch of small fixtures tends to be a pain in the ass, for airflow, hanging, power cords, etc. So sizing up the fixtures that will work for you is important.

Remember you can only hang your lights so high, so when they buds are too tall and you can't go any further up with the lights your buds will suffer. Something with a dimming function on it can be nice too.


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Re: Led light question [Re: phychotron]
    #824739 - 03/15/17 02:38 AM (1 year, 10 months ago)

I will be on tomorrow to tell you my setup I'm planning and ask ya if you think it is up to par


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Re: Led light question [Re: Jml417]
    #824741 - 03/15/17 03:08 AM (1 year, 10 months ago)



The spydr looks like a really good fixture. Its one of the few fixtures I'd buy if I wasn't building them now.


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Re: Led light question [Re: phychotron]
    #824742 - 03/15/17 03:22 AM (1 year, 10 months ago)

Checked that video out too, you think that would be more worth it than getting the 600s? Fr some reason I'm just skeptical about those bigo things... Hmm


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Re: Led light question [Re: Jml417]
    #824743 - 03/15/17 03:26 AM (1 year, 10 months ago)

https://fluence.science/store/spydr-series/spydrx-plus/
Now what idont understand the size of the LEDs... These are 600s?


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Re: Led light question [Re: Jml417]
    #824753 - 03/15/17 10:26 AM (1 year, 10 months ago)

Alot of good info in this thread !  I really wanted to try LED's too but like phychotron there are alot of cheap stuff or knock offs .
My question is, Im looking for a cheap good Led for my grow! My flowering tent is 96x78x48  Any suggestions Phychotron?


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Re: Led light question [Re: Jml417]
    #824760 - 03/15/17 12:13 PM (1 year, 10 months ago)

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https://fluence.science/store/spydr-series/spydrx-plus/
Now what idont understand the size of the LEDs... These are 600s?




The p600 is named for marketing. The company is more into hype than science. Like when they give you a single point PAR reading directly under the brightest part of the light but no readings anywhere else and then claiming to have the highest PAR value in the industry. That's BULLSHIT --see the video on their product page.

"3-watt" diodes multiplied by diode count do not equal the power draw. Those 200 3-watt diodes you'd expect to use 600 watts, like they're claiming but if you look its 345 watts. That makes their diodes really much less than 2watts each, which is around where they need to be. They use deception to sell you product.

The Spydr lists the true power draw (660w), which is much more appropriate. I've never used the spydr but they appear to have a really good design. The spread of the diodes alone says they're more concerned with the results of the light instead of just reselling you some Chinese fixture that suits the market trend.  Spydr was designed for professional applications, whereas the Platinum lights are more home consumer grade.

The spydr is probably much more efficient at putting out the light too, so that its not generating extra heat and should extend the life of the diodes. Just because two P600's use more power doesn't mean they will produce more light.


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Re: Led light question [Re: phychotron]
    #824766 - 03/15/17 03:28 PM (1 year, 10 months ago)

I understand what your saying pychotron and I'm grateful for You dude you probably saved my ass here,now I'm looking into the spydr series, what's the difference between the Spydr+ band normal spydr? I'm trying to understand the frequencys  but it's so difficult at the moment, as I see the normal spydr appears to have full spectrum and spydr+ has just the ... White light spectrum?  The plus says it's better but just why is this?
I'm room is 10x10 room I guess I thought it was larger but I guess not.
And what is this about co2 it says ?

https://fluence.science/technology/spydr/


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Re: Led light question [Re: Jml417]
    #824781 - 03/15/17 08:10 PM (1 year, 10 months ago)

The spydr looks like its a veg light and the spydr+ a flower light.  Looks like they've changed a few things recently. I'd email them if your serious about getting some. I haven't really done much LED research recently since I don't really need more lights and have been looking at building them more than buying a factory built fixture.


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Re: Led light question [Re: phychotron]
    #824785 - 03/15/17 09:14 PM (1 year, 10 months ago)

Thanks again phycotron, your the man, you'll be hearing excellent feed back!!!:cool::cool:


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    #824794 - 03/15/17 11:26 PM (1 year, 10 months ago)


Whah about this phyco idont even think there in production right now


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Re: Led light question [Re: Jml417]
    #824795 - 03/15/17 11:49 PM (1 year, 10 months ago)

video doesn't load.


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Re: Led light question [Re: phychotron]
    #824799 - 03/16/17 12:42 AM (1 year, 10 months ago)




Go to YouTube if that doesn't load," 2017 best LED growlights"
(GLG lights)


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Re: Led light question [Re: Jml417]
    #824808 - 03/16/17 04:16 AM (1 year, 10 months ago)

paste the url without the http://www. and I'll be able to watch it. Too many videos under that title to watch them all.


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Re: Led light question [Re: phychotron]
    #824821 - 03/16/17 12:51 PM (1 year, 10 months ago)

youtube.com/watch?v=ADtQUADr9dA


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    #824822 - 03/16/17 12:51 PM (1 year, 10 months ago)

m.youtube.com/watch?v=ADtQUADr9dA


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    #824823 - 03/16/17 12:52 PM (1 year, 10 months ago)

Yeah idk dude, it's the only video of u type I. What I said hay video brotha, that's the only one, by Jason Ellis


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    #824826 - 03/16/17 02:38 PM (1 year, 10 months ago)

Ok so what about it? There's just a video without any real specs. Can you show me their website?

If they build the most bad ass LED in the world but you can't get hold of them for warranty stuff cause they're not a real company you might want to avoid them.

It looks like a bunch of quantum boards put together.


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Re: Led light question [Re: phychotron]
    #824837 - 03/16/17 09:56 PM (1 year, 10 months ago)

this guy builds bad ass lights an tests them .
https://m.youtube.com/channel/UCPSwmwj8ZLXObtBJmz-76rw/videos

They sell all the stuff to build them , link is on the YouTube page. I'm not sold on the quantum boards yet there hasn't been many grows with them. At least not that I've seen yet. I'm a believer in the cobs tho, I use citizen clu048-1818 and luminous cxm22 chips. Good luck deciding on a fixture there is tons of stuff available to choose from.


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    #824850 - 03/17/17 01:24 PM (1 year, 10 months ago)

They just seemed like they would be nice is all I was saying at first, but yeah can't find them anywhere so I'm not worried about it...  Thank you funky


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    #824954 - 03/21/17 10:50 PM (1 year, 10 months ago)

Anyone read anything about the spydrx plus lights 1200w LED? I think I'm gonna buy and try them out...


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Re: Led light question [Re: Jml417]
    #824958 - 03/22/17 01:17 AM (1 year, 10 months ago)

The light needs some additional airflow to keep the temperature down but overall seems solid. When I got my XML650 I wanted one of those but they were $700 more. now they're about the same price. I'd buy one if I was going to purchase another grow light. My next grow light build will mimic that style.

Check out the current thread about the spydrx+ at ICMAG's LED forum.


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Re: Led light question [Re: phychotron]
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    #824970 - 03/22/17 01:32 PM (1 year, 10 months ago)

Anything on ebay will be a generic fixture. I tend to avoid them because of warranty issues. No company means no warranty, no concern if its got total garbage inside.


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Re: Led light question [Re: phychotron]
    #824975 - 03/22/17 05:00 PM (1 year, 10 months ago)

So is it best to buy local from hydro shops?


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    #824984 - 03/23/17 04:26 AM (1 year, 10 months ago)

Usually no, they stock generic stuff or stuff that is usually sub par. I haven't seen a good LED in a hydro store yet.


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    #825016 - 03/24/17 06:13 AM (1 year, 10 months ago)

yeah not to mention the amount of scams they pull with knock offs

i spent 350 on a light and i've been using it for almost 3 years
the same light is probably 300 now


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