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Whats better: Hydro with CFLs or Soil with HPS?
    #823573 - 02/10/17 04:40 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

What type of growing would produce a better quality bud in the end?

Hydroponics with CFL lights only or Soil with HPS lights only?

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Re: Whats better: Hydro with CFLs or Soil with HPS? [Re: TrueHerbCrystal]
    #823574 - 02/10/17 05:06 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Well HPS duh!

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Re: Whats better: Hydro with CFLs or Soil with HPS? [Re: Deadkndys420]
    #823575 - 02/10/17 05:20 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

That's a stupid question.


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Re: Whats better: Hydro with CFLs or Soil with HPS? [Re: TrueHerbCrystal] * 1
    #823581 - 02/11/17 06:04 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

I would argue that the way the question was phrased involves too many variables. Even if one assumes that you meant equivalent systems, this could technically mean truly equivalent systems from a bud quality perspective. I'm sure that there is some crazy, expensive, hypothetical CFL/Hydro system that could technically compete with a small, cheap HPS/Soil system.

However, the responses you got reflect the practical answer, where money and simplicity are factored in. The CFL/Hydro system that could compete with HPS would be so much more expensive on a per ounce of bud basis, that it would be wholly impractical to attempt.

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Re: Whats better: Hydro with CFLs or Soil with HPS? [Re: Data]
    #823582 - 02/11/17 06:10 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

i see.

So an expensive cfl/hydro set up might compete with a cheap hps/soil set up...

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Re: Whats better: Hydro with CFLs or Soil with HPS? [Re: TrueHerbCrystal] * 1
    #823583 - 02/11/17 06:49 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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What type of growing would produce a better quality bud in the end?

Hydroponics with CFL lights only or Soil with HPS lights only?

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You have to remember that you can't use the same wattages. In order to the the same amount of light from a cfl light you have to use a ton more power. 1000watts of cfl might be the same as 250watts of hps or mh light.

You'd need a shitload of cfl light to come close to the HPS or MH. In other-words if you choose cfl light you're bringing a knife to a gunfight.


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Re: Whats better: Hydro with CFLs or Soil with HPS? [Re: TrueHerbCrystal]
    #823585 - 02/11/17 08:07 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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i see.

So an expensive cfl/hydro set up might compete with a cheap hps/soil set up...




"Might" is the key word there, it would take some serious work to get equivalent quality.

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Re: Whats better: Hydro with CFLs or Soil with HPS? [Re: Data]
    #823588 - 02/11/17 02:20 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

How beneficial is it to have CFL's as side lighting? I have 8 CFL's in my tent along with a 600w HPS. Maybe overkill? I dunno...

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Re: Whats better: Hydro with CFLs or Soil with HPS? [Re: Scribbler]
    #823592 - 02/11/17 06:50 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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How beneficial is it to have CFL's as side lighting? I have 8 CFL's in my tent along with a 600w HPS. Maybe overkill? I dunno...




Depends on the size of the tent or how much space your trying to light.


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Re: Whats better: Hydro with CFLs or Soil with HPS? [Re: Magash]
    #823626 - 02/12/17 02:32 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

It's a 4x4 tent with 4 bigger plants in it. Takes up the whole tent.

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Re: Whats better: Hydro with CFLs or Soil with HPS? [Re: Scribbler]
    #823628 - 02/12/17 03:17 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

I was under the impression that cfls are just as effective as hps but you need to match wattage i/e a 250 actual watt cfl performs the same as a 250w hps. Actual wattage is similar no matter what light you use. Most people who grow with cfl know the actual wattage. The advertized wattage is its equivalent to other lights. For instance I have a 1000w equivalent cfl grow light that uses 250w of power so that light is the same as a 250w hps. If I'm wrong please explain how.

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Re: Whats better: Hydro with CFLs or Soil with HPS? [Re: bastard4life]
    #823629 - 02/12/17 03:39 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

There's no way that CFL will perform as well as the HPS.  I would love to see a side by side comparison with it. 

CFL's put out more heat per watt than a HID light, they also don't have nice air cooled hoods to help deal with said heat.    They don't have the same amount of lumens per watt that an HPS, CMH, or DE would have.  If they were comparable, why isnt every single commercial grow operation using them?  It's an easy question, there is no comparison.

I'm trying to figure out how you got the notion that CFL's are on par.


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Re: Whats better: Hydro with CFLs or Soil with HPS? [Re: Hawksresurrection]
    #823632 - 02/12/17 03:57 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Other forums. They all said actual wattage is what matters. Cfls put out less heat btw. I run one all the time... for my aloe plant. I can touch that bulb bare handed and not get burned. It pull 250w you can't touch a 250w hps and not get a burn. RIU.com has tons of side by side grows that average out to the same weight per wattage. ICMag.com also has side by side grows where there is minimal differences in yield. Most people have problems with cfl because they don't put the light close enough. Those t5 systems grow great and there cfls.

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Re: Whats better: Hydro with CFLs or Soil with HPS? [Re: bastard4life] * 1
    #823633 - 02/12/17 04:11 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Watt for watt they do put out more heat.  That's a fact man.  I have a T5 bank, and it puts out a ton of heat, may as well just run a MH of the same and get a shit load more lumens for the amount of electricity I'm using. 

They're great for cloning or using them for my mothers, but there's no way I'll use them to Flower.


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Re: Whats better: Hydro with CFLs or Soil with HPS? [Re: bastard4life] * 2
    #823635 - 02/12/17 04:31 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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Other forums. They all said actual wattage is what matters. Cfls put out less heat btw. I run one all the time... for my aloe plant. I can touch that bulb bare handed and not get burned. It pull 250w you can't touch a 250w hps and not get a burn. RIU.com has tons of side by side grows that average out to the same weight per wattage. ICMag.com also has side by side grows where there is minimal differences in yield. Most people have problems with cfl because they don't put the light close enough. Those t5 systems grow great and there cfls.





Your 100% wrong on the cfl lights.

Take 250watts of HID light and try and find a 250watt cfl light that is nearly as bright. You can't if the light isn't as bright why is that? CFL lights waste a ton more energy then HID lights simple as that. In order to get as bright as 250watts of HID light you need over 1200watts of cfl light.

So in order to compare the lights you can't go with like wattages. So yeah a 250watts of HID is hotter then 250watts of cfl light but it's also 10 times as bright. So in a small space you can use a 75watt HID light and get the results of a 250watt cfl light.

So yes cfl lights are much hotter to use if you want the same amount of light the HID lights put out cause you have to run a ton more of them for the same results.

CFL bulbs do run hotter but can be touched cause they spread the heat along with the light output over the entire surface of the bulb the main reason they have such crap penetration.


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Re: Whats better: Hydro with CFLs or Soil with HPS? [Re: Magash]
    #823639 - 02/12/17 06:27 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Well thanks for setting me straight. I was given bad info. But I figure this forum knows better anyways.

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Re: Whats better: Hydro with CFLs or Soil with HPS? [Re: bastard4life]
    #823642 - 02/12/17 07:04 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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Well thanks for setting me straight. I was given bad info. But I figure this forum knows better anyways.




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Re: Whats better: Hydro with CFLs or Soil with HPS? [Re: Data]
    #823644 - 02/12/17 07:13 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Data love your avatar!!!

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Re: Whats better: Hydro with CFLs or Soil with HPS? [Re: bastard4life] * 2
    #823648 - 02/12/17 07:22 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

:androidlol:

I wish I could feel love...or anything for that matter.


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Re: Whats better: Hydro with CFLs or Soil with HPS? [Re: Data]
    #823651 - 02/12/17 07:28 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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Re: Whats better: Hydro with CFLs or Soil with HPS? [Re: Data]
    #823655 - 02/12/17 10:55 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

You're so close to being Human...

A very enlightening (excuse the pun) thread, thanks for the lessons guys.

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Re: Whats better: Hydro with CFLs or Soil with HPS? [Re: Magash]
    #823779 - 02/16/17 01:08 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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Quote:

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How beneficial is it to have CFL's as side lighting? I have 8 CFL's in my tent along with a 600w HPS. Maybe overkill? I dunno...




Depends on the size of the tent or how much space your trying to light.


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There are 2x23w CFL's under each dome hood in the 2 corners.



just put this in there today 4x23w CFLs


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Re: Whats better: Hydro with CFLs or Soil with HPS? [Re: Scribbler]
    #824329 - 03/02/17 10:04 AM (7 years, 27 days ago)

i didnt read every post so maybe i missed something,
so my question is: why the hell wouldnt you run your hydro system with the hps light, that will get you the best results.

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Re: Whats better: Hydro with CFLs or Soil with HPS? [Re: ice]
    #824338 - 03/02/17 12:14 PM (7 years, 27 days ago)

Hydro isn't a guaranteed best result compared to soil whatsoever.  I used to run hydro, and have gone back to soil.  I much prefer it.


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Re: Whats better: Hydro with CFLs or Soil with HPS? [Re: Hawksresurrection]
    #824339 - 03/02/17 12:22 PM (7 years, 27 days ago)

i agree, my soil grows are always consistent, my hydro grows usually produce much more weight, but i have had hydro grows that ended up very dissapointing. soil is definetly more forgiving.

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Re: Whats better: Hydro with CFLs or Soil with HPS? [Re: ice]
    #824355 - 03/02/17 07:56 PM (7 years, 27 days ago)

I've been able to get just as much weight from my soil grows as I had from my hydro grows.


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Re: Whats better: Hydro with CFLs or Soil with HPS? [Re: Hawksresurrection]
    #824396 - 03/04/17 08:17 PM (7 years, 25 days ago)

I didnt know soil was so on-par with hydro system :strokebeard:

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Re: Whats better: Hydro with CFLs or Soil with HPS? [Re: TrueHerbCrystal]
    #824403 - 03/05/17 08:00 AM (7 years, 25 days ago)

it can be, absolutely. "technically" speaking if you grow three crops, one in soil one in hydro and one in aeroponics, all the same strain, all the same genetics, then technically you should get more from hydro than you do from soil, and technically you should get more from aero than you do from hydro, the reason is simple, in a hydro system your roots have more access to oxygen than they do in soil, and in an aeroponic system your roots have more access to oxygen than they do in a hydroponic system. the more oxygen your roots can take in, the more nutes they can handle and the healthier the plant will be.

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Re: Whats better: Hydro with CFLs or Soil with HPS? [Re: ice]
    #824427 - 03/05/17 07:13 PM (7 years, 24 days ago)

Bullshit bullshit bullshit.  Hydro does NOT yield more than soil.  Period.  You don't see ANY large scale growers running hydro anymore.


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Re: Whats better: Hydro with CFLs or Soil with HPS? [Re: Hawksresurrection]
    #824432 - 03/05/17 10:47 PM (7 years, 24 days ago)

excert from hightimess magazin

http://hightimes.com/grow/the-ultimate-high-times-guide-how-to-hydro/

Advanced Hydro
The larger yields associated with hydroponic growing are directly correlated with faster growth.
“The biggest advantage to hydroponics is the growth rate of the plants,” confirms Joe Bender, chief horticulturalist at Breakwater Alternative Health Center. “A constantly recirculating nutrient solution ensures that the roots are always bathed in a steady supply of nutrients, while still constantly providing plenty of oxygen for the roots.”
Since roots need oxygen for respiration, Bender explains, a potting mix won’t hold the optimal amount of oxygen to sustain the accelerated growth that hydroponics creates. “A freshly watered potting mix, such as peat, perlite and vermiculite in a 3:1:1 ratio, holds less oxygen than is ideal for roots. Therefore, plants grown in potting mix must dry between waterings in order to provide sufficient oxygen to the roots,” he observes. “As a potting mix dries, it gradually allows more oxygen to reach the roots, but simultaneously water and dissolved nutrients become harder for the roots to absorb, and the solution in the area surrounding the roots becomes depleted of nutrients—unlike in a hydroponic system, which constantly replenishes this would-be depletion zone. The combination of constantly available, optimal levels of both water and oxygen in a hydroponic system allows plants to grow much faster.”

thears also a whole buch of pictures on the same page showing some massive hydro setups

and that all from hightime magazin not some wannabe magazi  hightimes mag the longtime standing leader of cultivation mags

check it out yourself
http://hightimes.com/grow/the-ultimate-high-times-guide-how-to-hydro/

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Re: Whats better: Hydro with CFLs or Soil with HPS? [Re: wendyweed]
    #824444 - 03/06/17 09:55 AM (7 years, 23 days ago)

All the large recreational Washington grows I know about are using coco (300 1k lights on one), though I've heard of a few outdoor farms on the east side of the state that use soil.


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Re: Whats better: Hydro with CFLs or Soil with HPS? [Re: wendyweed] * 1
    #824447 - 03/06/17 12:38 PM (7 years, 23 days ago)

High times is horse shit for information.

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Re: Whats better: Hydro with CFLs or Soil with HPS? [Re: Deadkndys420]
    #824449 - 03/06/17 01:47 PM (7 years, 23 days ago)

i found this today
i think this best answers the question

I do think it’s safe to assume though that from the very beginning of hydroponic marijuana cultivation, there was likely a debate as to which was better, hydroponics or soil. That debate continues on into today. I have many friends that swear that one is better than the other, and they will argue to the death with anyone that will participate. Which one is better is largely a subjective determination, and really depends on what you value most as a grower.
I have grow marijuana both ways, and definitely believe that both methods have their merits and drawbacks.


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Re: Whats better: Hydro with CFLs or Soil with HPS? [Re: wendyweed]
    #824451 - 03/06/17 02:12 PM (7 years, 23 days ago)

A good dialed in system is a good dialed in system. You don't do certain things in a hydro garden that you do in a soil garden or even another hydro system. Sometimes people are using a combination of techniques that might not be optimal for their feed style.


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Re: Whats better: Hydro with CFLs or Soil with HPS? [Re: wendyweed]
    #824479 - 03/07/17 12:48 AM (7 years, 23 days ago)

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excert from hightimess magazin

http://hightimes.com/grow/the-ultimate-high-times-guide-how-to-hydro/

Advanced Hydro
The larger yields associated with hydroponic growing are directly correlated with faster growth.
“The biggest advantage to hydroponics is the growth rate of the plants,” confirms Joe Bender, chief horticulturalist at Breakwater Alternative Health Center. “A constantly recirculating nutrient solution ensures that the roots are always bathed in a steady supply of nutrients, while still constantly providing plenty of oxygen for the roots.”
Since roots need oxygen for respiration, Bender explains, a potting mix won’t hold the optimal amount of oxygen to sustain the accelerated growth that hydroponics creates. “A freshly watered potting mix, such as peat, perlite and vermiculite in a 3:1:1 ratio, holds less oxygen than is ideal for roots. Therefore, plants grown in potting mix must dry between waterings in order to provide sufficient oxygen to the roots,” he observes. “As a potting mix dries, it gradually allows more oxygen to reach the roots, but simultaneously water and dissolved nutrients become harder for the roots to absorb, and the solution in the area surrounding the roots becomes depleted of nutrients—unlike in a hydroponic system, which constantly replenishes this would-be depletion zone. The combination of constantly available, optimal levels of both water and oxygen in a hydroponic system allows plants to grow much faster.”

thears also a whole buch of pictures on the same page showing some massive hydro setups

and that all from hightime magazin not some wannabe magazi  hightimes mag the longtime standing leader of cultivation mags

check it out yourself
http://hightimes.com/grow/the-ultimate-high-times-guide-how-to-hydro/

:facepalm3:





Great, Hightimes is a fucking joke. The majority of the information is just advertisement space.  I've  been growing for about 15 years now.  I've grown extensively with both hydro, and soil.  And it all just comes down to preference.  One isn't better than the other.  Period.


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Re: Whats better: Hydro with CFLs or Soil with HPS? [Re: Hawksresurrection]
    #824490 - 03/07/17 12:56 PM (7 years, 22 days ago)

Man oh man, bro my first grow was a cfl setup with collected chip bag Mylar and a 4x4 water table. 20 plants yielded me 1/2 ounce what a waste of time. That was - long long time ago. I now run a 1000watt in a promix 11 plants yeild me anywhere from 18-30 oz but I also use some training methods. You have a lot to learn but your in the spot I see you already got a world of useful Information

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