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LED Lights - Need Advice on Which to Buy and How to Use
    #741648 - 07/27/14 06:29 PM (5 years, 2 months ago)

I haven't cultivated indoors for years and because of circumstances a new setup will require LEDs.

Right now I'm looking at a 300 watt fixture made by Platinum Series Lights. I'm considering it for two reasons: 1) good customer reviews, and 2) a 90 day satisfaction or return guarantee.

Any advice on whether this would be a good buy (or any advice on anything LED related) would be greatly appreciated.


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Re: LED Lights - Need Advice on Which to Buy and How to Use [Re: Fletcher Carnaby]
    #741656 - 07/27/14 07:25 PM (5 years, 2 months ago)

Phyco will chime in on this soon I'm sure.  He's the local LED expert.


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Re: LED Lights - Need Advice on Which to Buy and How to Use [Re: Hawksresurrection]
    #741697 - 07/27/14 09:20 PM (5 years, 2 months ago)

That is a cheaper knock off of Advanced LED's Diamond series. I wouldn't order that based on a few things, one they're trying to copy a design, and are probably the eshine made version, which Advanced LED dropped as a supplier for quality issues. It might be a good light, but for all extensive purposes its a cheap generic knock off. IF they were using 'top quality' LED's they would know to say 'top bin' LED's as that actually is the best quality, not just a marketing term.

Get it out of your head that they are trying to sell you a 300w light. That is the Diamond Series 200w DS200 knock off which runs 185 watts. The area coverage they claim is MUCH larger than what it really covers, even going beyond what Advanced LED recommends for veg. Notice they even use the same model number when their platinum series should be PS200, or rather PS300 the way they deceive you.) They're calling 100 "3w" diodes 300w, but the real matter is there is no such thing as a real 3w diode, that too is a shady term, they run at a max of ~2w no matter who uses them.

Its hit or miss, I'd never order just because the market is flooded with these cheap ass knock off fixtures. Plus the way they market it to you is complete bullshit. Probably not giving you the top bin LED's for that price, leaves too little room for profit. Ask them where you need to send the light to to get it fixed in the warranty period? if they say China tell them to go stuff themselves.

I'd recommend Advanced LED's newest generation of lighting, the XTE series, which is replacing the Diamond Series. Its currently coming to market, so it might not actually be for sale for the next few days/weeks, but well worth waiting for. Even the Diamond Series which is pretty damn good is 2011 technology, this is now 2014 technology with the new series. PLUS the biggest sway to the new light is the modular LED's make it more sustainable so that when one light goes out you don't need to replace them all, just swap out a module with new diodes.

Its a bit more expensive going through a reputable vendor, but they are watching the manufacturer to make sure they keep producing the highest quality light with the highest quality components. $549 for the XTE200, which is comparable to the one your looking at, but should be the BEST or near best you can get at the moment.

The real question is what size area are you trying to cover?

Advanced LED's Diamond Series DS200 is 3'x3.5 veg, 2.5'x3' flower, which are realistic numbers.
The knock off you posted claims 4.5'x3.8', which is a fucking if you tried to cover that large of an area to grow bud.

Maybe if you were growing lettuce, but your trying to grow the most highest demand plants out there, your gonna want the highest quality light you can get. The case might be the same, the design might be the same, but the insides are not the same. Advanced LED is catering to the high-demand growers, generic-led is catering to anyone dumb enough to buy their light.

Like I said, you might stumble upon that great generic that rocks, but the problem is that if you try and go cheap, you usually end up wasting ALL the money you spent on LED's.

Another brand I like is Grow-Blu the 120x3 (360watts actual draw) covers a 2x3 area, comparable to the other lights, but I'd still bet on the XTE that's coming out as the best choice.


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Re: LED Lights - Need Advice on Which to Buy and How to Use [Re: phychotron]
    #742193 - 07/30/14 06:17 PM (5 years, 2 months ago)

look in to Mars II 1600W LED  if you wont to see some  grow logs I will give thim to you in pm


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Re: LED Lights - Need Advice on Which to Buy and How to Use [Re: chris606]
    #742215 - 07/30/14 09:12 PM (5 years, 2 months ago)

If your talking about this mars II 1600w, I'd say forget it. I would seriously advise no one to buy a light like this. When the one diode breaks the whole thing breaks. Plus its a super inflated wattage that it does not actually draw, probably about half that in real life.  What kind of heat sink? non sustainable design.

You can post some grow logs here....



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Re: LED Lights - Need Advice on Which to Buy and How to Use [Re: phychotron]
    #742267 - 07/31/14 05:32 AM (5 years, 2 months ago)

September high times was just put up on torrent today and shows 2 as the best of 2014. Kind LED's K3 L600 $900 and G8LED systems from Dorm Grow $300-$1200


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Re: LED Lights - Need Advice on Which to Buy and How to Use [Re: Midgetpawn]
    #742268 - 07/31/14 05:41 AM (5 years, 2 months ago)

High times is a piece of shit, that bases things like that on how much the company is paying them to get on those lists.  Anyone who has been growing for any amount of time doesn't consider them a source for any credible reports on equipment.


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Re: LED Lights - Need Advice on Which to Buy and How to Use [Re: Hawksresurrection]
    #742269 - 07/31/14 06:08 AM (5 years, 2 months ago)

Didn't they say that a good flushing method was to take the plant out of soil, clean the roots off and stick it in water for a few days? :ducklol: Yeah even noobs know that high times is shit lol.


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Re: LED Lights - Need Advice on Which to Buy and How to Use [Re: Midgetpawn]
    #742306 - 07/31/14 12:02 PM (5 years, 2 months ago)

That Kind LED is very pricey for an LED that size. Pulling about 300watts instead of the 600 they want to claim. First off try the math, 150x3=450, not 600watts, secondly "3 watt" diodes only use about 2 watts each. GrowBlu has the 120x3 and 180x3 for $549 and $749 respectively. The Kind would be a 150x3 and cost $900. But that's the cost of advertising in High Times. 

The G8 I can tell is garbage by the fans from the back of the fixture. That photo they use SCREAMS cheap LED. Its a dorm room investment, so sure, you might now want to buy the most expensive if doing something you might get caught with. Also don't need the life span for 3 years if you just need bud in a dorm room. Basically disposable and not going to give you the best performance. Don't expect it to last past your dorm days. Those are comparable to the Blackstar fixtures, which I have a pile of broke one's sitting around. One diode goes and takes out half the fixture with it--The importance of having a real heat sink.


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Re: LED Lights - Need Advice on Which to Buy and How to Use [Re: phychotron]
    #742437 - 07/31/14 10:26 PM (5 years, 2 months ago)

well the main motivation for suggesting those LED was the assumption that they are new, but I have a lot of problems with high times and probably shouldn't even mention them. I do like to check out the shared digital copies though.

Is there a big reason induction lighting isn't more popular? cost? it seems almost better than LED


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Re: LED Lights - Need Advice on Which to Buy and How to Use [Re: Midgetpawn]
    #742459 - 08/01/14 04:55 AM (5 years, 2 months ago)

I have 2 fixtures of  Cali based "dirt genius" 280w UV full spectrum flowering units.
They're only 146$ each w free shipping. They're pretty impressive, well built, run cool.
Plants go nuts under them. Hard buds. I noticed tho, the buds have less of a scent for whatever reason compared to HPS.... still tasty tho
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Re: LED Lights - Need Advice on Which to Buy and How to Use [Re: oeric mckenna]
    #742460 - 08/01/14 04:57 AM (5 years, 2 months ago)

https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=211911 here's a nice collection of LED grows with a gpw listing...


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Re: LED Lights - Need Advice on Which to Buy and How to Use [Re: oeric mckenna]
    #742508 - 08/01/14 03:29 PM (5 years, 2 months ago)

From 2011....


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Re: LED Lights - Need Advice on Which to Buy and How to Use [Re: JollyGreenJRayV]
    #742518 - 08/01/14 05:56 PM (5 years, 2 months ago)

A grow is a grow


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Re: LED Lights - Need Advice on Which to Buy and How to Use [Re: oeric mckenna]
    #742529 - 08/01/14 07:43 PM (5 years, 2 months ago)

3 years of technology growth is a HUGE amount of time.  Making the lights in that grow log, more than likely obsolete.


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Re: LED Lights - Need Advice on Which to Buy and How to Use [Re: Hawksresurrection]
    #742564 - 08/01/14 11:29 PM (5 years, 2 months ago)

Those aren't the best representations of LED's on the market. Like the first one posted got a huge gpw amount but it was spread out over a larger area, giving smaller plants that were not very dense. Not a good light for dense nuggets or plants, but good for the SOG that he did. However he would have better results if he used more light, but bringing down the GPW while doing it.


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Re: LED Lights - Need Advice on Which to Buy and How to Use [Re: phychotron]
    #742575 - 08/02/14 03:25 AM (5 years, 2 months ago)

OH and it was last updated 2013, so its got some newer lights up but a lot of those are still showing their age.


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Re: LED Lights - Need Advice on Which to Buy and How to Use [Re: phychotron]
    #742957 - 08/05/14 06:01 PM (5 years, 2 months ago)

Thanks for the info on the XTE and Grow-Blu lights, but the research I've done says Lumigrow is the only way to go. But are they ever expensive!

Your thoughts?


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Re: LED Lights - Need Advice on Which to Buy and How to Use [Re: Fletcher Carnaby]
    #743030 - 08/05/14 08:54 PM (5 years, 2 months ago)

Yeah I just thought that was a neat collection.


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Re: LED Lights - Need Advice on Which to Buy and How to Use [Re: Fletcher Carnaby]
    #743042 - 08/05/14 11:09 PM (5 years, 2 months ago)

Lumigrow seems alright, but very overpriced for what you get. I'd never buy one.


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Re: LED Lights - Need Advice on Which to Buy and How to Use [Re: phychotron]
    #743107 - 08/06/14 08:06 PM (5 years, 2 months ago)

Phycho i want your 2 cents...

as far as ive read i hear that leds give great quality but small yield. Then i read someone put a kind led on a lightrail and saw phenomenal results i guess cuz they overcame the tiny footprint of light.

Whats your exp with leds on light rails?

also, what about that California lightworks brand with the UV bulbs on the side and switch to go from veg to bloom? Cant UV be dangerous? And is that even a good brand?


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Re: LED Lights - Need Advice on Which to Buy and How to Use [Re: SmokeSomeHash]
    #743120 - 08/07/14 12:21 AM (5 years, 2 months ago)

I've wanted to experiment with a light rail but don't have the time to mess around. I'm sure it would help with area coverage, and allow you to get the lights even closer.


I'm not too sold on the uv bulbs on the side, kinda nice idea but seems like its not needed. Haven't tried it so I can't really comment, but people seem to like them. UV is suppose to possibly help with resin development, suppose to simulate that high altitude environment that indica comes from.


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Re: LED Lights - Need Advice on Which to Buy and How to Use [Re: phychotron]
    #743125 - 08/07/14 04:35 AM (5 years, 2 months ago)

light rails make a lot of sense, but I feel like someone should invent something simpler and cheaper that doesn't require a wall socket. At least I'm picturing a central pivot point that uses pendulum momentum or magnets to move it it slightly. There were a ton of those self moving things they had in the 80s that could be a basis for this hypothetical technology. Even just a battery could power the right design.

perpetual motion advances ftw


Edit: the first video didn't want to be seen outside of youtube for some strange reason


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Re: LED Lights - Need Advice on Which to Buy and How to Use [Re: Midgetpawn]
    #743139 - 08/07/14 08:13 AM (5 years, 2 months ago)

Well what about the brand california lightworks in general? They make some small units without the UV. I think a 220 and a 440 watt but im too lazy to check right now cuz im on my phone.

ive heard very few good reviews and they are expensive


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Re: LED Lights - Need Advice on Which to Buy and How to Use [Re: SmokeSomeHash]
    #743201 - 08/07/14 03:11 PM (5 years, 2 months ago)

I personally wouldn't get a CLW fixture just yet, but I could see them working well. I don't think the smaller fixtures are worth it, but it really depends on your grow area and style on some of these lights, I like the size/style fixture I'm using.  Sometimes you need to buy a brand/LED for a specific application. Keep the small fixtures for the small grows. Having 10 small fixtures in a tent is a pain in the ass.


Mostly everything is going modular so I would recommend sticking with one of those models for the time being so that it is sustainable in the future. I don't think I've heard anything negative about CLW.


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Re: LED Lights - Need Advice on Which to Buy and How to Use [Re: phychotron]
    #743207 - 08/07/14 04:15 PM (5 years, 2 months ago)

What do you mean by modular


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Re: LED Lights - Need Advice on Which to Buy and How to Use [Re: SmokeSomeHash]
    #743209 - 08/07/14 04:40 PM (5 years, 2 months ago)

When one LED goes out everything on that circuit goes out, so if they are all on one board end to end and one goes out, your kinda fucked. If they are in small groups of LED', a module, you can easily replace just that one module instead of trying to fix the entire circuit board.


The one in the back in modular.




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Re: LED Lights - Need Advice on Which to Buy and How to Use [Re: phychotron]
    #743274 - 08/08/14 07:34 AM (5 years, 2 months ago)

Oh ok cool thanks for the info!

i havent heard bad reviews about CLW either but theyre pricey...what kind are you using in those pics?


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Re: LED Lights - Need Advice on Which to Buy and How to Use [Re: SmokeSomeHash]
    #743293 - 08/08/14 09:32 AM (5 years, 2 months ago)

You want brand name LED's with lenses to focus the light.

I recommend Area 51 or Advanced LED. They're definitely worth the money.



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Re: LED Lights - Need Advice on Which to Buy and How to Use [Re: JollyGreenJRayV]
    #743371 - 08/08/14 06:45 PM (5 years, 2 months ago)

wait... LEDs all go out if 1 goes out like pre 1990's strings of Christmas lights? That's weird...
If you're genuinely interested in LEDs make sure to spend a little time reading articles about things like Droop and the shorter lifespan of specific colors, especially in high temperatures. Also supposedly LEDs operate something like 30% brighter in the cold. I'm uncomfortable with how you need a different diode for each nanometer of color with LEDs. Though I certainly wouldn't turn down a free LED grow light.
I'd really like to see the results of Induction grow lights. Supposed to use 70% less power use than HID and the color spectrum seems good. Though induction lighting has been around for a long time, and there might be a reason it's not used more, besides Edison being a strong competitor of Tesla, who invented the technology. Tesla wanted to give the world free power. Too bad he didn't succeed.


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Re: LED Lights - Need Advice on Which to Buy and How to Use [Re: Midgetpawn]
    #743380 - 08/08/14 07:42 PM (5 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

I'm uncomfortable with how you need a different diode for each nanometer of color with LEDs




http://www.onyxgrow.com/bloom.html

http://a51led.com/store/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=65&products_id=181

Cree whites have been doing some amazing things!

The new high-end units are all using either  W, R/W, or R/W/B configurations. So it's no more than 1, 2, or 3 different diode types being used.


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Re: LED Lights - Need Advice on Which to Buy and How to Use [Re: JollyGreenJRayV]
    #743396 - 08/08/14 09:55 PM (5 years, 2 months ago)

If one led in a series goes out ya, the whole series goes out. There are multiple circuits on most fixtures so you only loose a portion of those diodes. The solution is to just jump/replace it with a resistor, or short it and add a resister in the circuit, but its simpler to just to swap out the module of 10-15 diodes and call it a day.

They do operate better at lower temperatures, which is why its essential to have a large enough heat sink to allow it to run in its proper range.



just because you don't see the individual colors with your eyes, this is really what an HPS gives off. The colored lines show the peaks, the black parts show the missing wavelengths. Your eyes/brain combine that particular combination to create that yellow-orange color you perceive.

With LED they still don't have that perfect PAR light diode, they have white, but it turns out they're are gaps just the same. SO they supplement blue and red with the newer white diodes. That's where LED's excel, they can add the necessary light to mimic that perfect PAR curve so that no excess light is used and the primary colors are peaking. You cannot get the perfect PAR spectrum out of sodium alone, you'd need to add something else, like you see in those MH/HPS hybrid bulbs to cover the missing spectrum.


How spectrometry works.


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Re: LED Lights - Need Advice on Which to Buy and How to Use [Re: phychotron]
    #776434 - 04/18/15 01:08 PM (4 years, 5 months ago)

I have a sprout and the XTE 300 series
the thing is big almost didn't have enough room for it

Which lighting knob should I turn up?

I have blue on all the way and I click red on for uv/infrared

trying to keep this thing alive so i dont' have to start over lol
just got this light yestarday and was using a cfl that looked like it had painted violet on it


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Re: LED Lights - Need Advice on Which to Buy and How to Use [Re: Mof]
    #776444 - 04/18/15 03:34 PM (4 years, 5 months ago)

if its small it will only need a little light half power would do well, the blue is best for veg, but switch it to full power when its taller (8-12").


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Re: LED Lights - Need Advice on Which to Buy and How to Use [Re: phychotron]
    #777026 - 04/25/15 04:17 PM (4 years, 5 months ago)

what do you guys think about lush lighting? i've been thinking about picking up a dominator for a 5x5 tent.


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Re: LED Lights - Need Advice on Which to Buy and How to Use [Re: CrushNazT]
    #777031 - 04/25/15 06:54 PM (4 years, 5 months ago)

Lush is an overpriced company that advertises in 420 magazines and has to make more cash to pay for that. Their lights are basically the Diamond Series from Advanced LED but without any pattern to the diodes. They make extraordinary claims about how it helps these two aspects of plant growth, but its stuff that is only found in algae.

Lush is a joke for those kids who read high times and couldn't figure things out for themselves. They lie about their area coverage and I called them out on their shit on the ICMAG led forums and they just try and say 'we know its strange but our rectangular fixture produces a square footprint.'-- Complete utter bullshit.

They have still not addressed the question about their algae-related light benefits since it would prove they just made that shit up.  Also, that bitch told me that the fixture case design they've been selling for about a year(~2013) was stolen by Advanced LED. Advanced has been selling the DS since 2011.  LIES LIES LIES!


Moreover, the most important part is that their lights are non-modular so they when they need any repair you'll need to send it in, and pay for electronics repair when it's off warrant. Also, its  produced by eShine, the company that Advanced LED stopped getting lights from because of quality issues.

DO NOT WASTE YOUR MONEY ON THEIR COMPANY.


I just got an Advanced LED XML 650 for $1435. Its pretty sick, only on the first week but definitely going to be better than the Diamond Series style.  Its modular so I can fix it, but also has a lifetime warranty and they will send you parts and diodes for as long as they are in business.


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Re: LED Lights - Need Advice on Which to Buy and How to Use [Re: phychotron]
    #777033 - 04/25/15 07:24 PM (4 years, 5 months ago)

how about kind LED? any thoughts on those?


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Re: LED Lights - Need Advice on Which to Buy and How to Use [Re: CrushNazT]
    #777063 - 04/26/15 03:06 AM (4 years, 5 months ago)

They're just another generic. I'd say they're probably the same as GrowBlu (same case and design but different color). I just sold my GrowBlu so I could get the XML 650.


http://advancedledlights.com/xml-350-vs-kind-l600/


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