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thedrake said:
on average how many different phenotypes are there per cannabis strain?

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thedrake said:
on average how many different phenotypes are there per cannabis strain?

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thedrake said:
on average how many different phenotypes are there per cannabis strain?

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OK this in one of those questions, Magash loves to point out the shady ways of today's breeders.

If the breeder does their work, and stabilizes their strain.  Then normally three with the occasional fourth or fifth showing it's head.  But these types of breeders are dying off and hard as hell to find honestly.  Most just refuse to put the time and work into their strains these days.

In fact many breeders now sell what is known as f1's.  And there pretty much isn't nothing stable about an f1.

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That's some fuckin' bullshit! 

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hawksapprentice said:
And this 10,000 for a clone is fucking bullshit.  Anyone who would pay that is fucking retarded.  And anyone who would charge that is a huge fucking douchebag.

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thedrake said:
on average how many different phenotypes are there per cannabis strain?

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OK this in one of those questions, Magash loves to point out the shady ways of today's breeders.

If the breeder does their work, and stabilizes their strain.  Then normally three with the occasional fourth or fifth showing it's head.  But these types of breeders are dying off and hard as hell to find honestly.  Most just refuse to put the time and work into their strains these days.

In fact many breeders now sell what is known as f1's.  And there pretty much isn't nothing stable about an f1.

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That's some fuckin' bullshit! 

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Really?
Then by all means educate me.  I know I don't know all, but I'm always willing to learn.

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Harry_Ba11sach said:
That's why I hate the seed hunt, I wish there was a way to just always grab the clone genetics.

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This a thousand times over.
If I had access to proven clone genetics, I'd never pop a seed again.

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Magash said:
As mentioned Serious Seeds, DJ Short, and Mr. Nice are all good as are Soma, Sensi. There is a old company that many have forgotten about including myself till I recently saw a grow with one of their strains is Sagarmatha Seeds.

I'd stay away from Dutch Passion, Green House, and most the other Amsterdam companies cause they use mostly F1s. Now as Hawk said there are plenty of good reasons to use them esp if you're hunting down breeding material.

Its the guys that sell F1's but tell you that their seeds will do this or have that taste and so on yet they forget to tell you about having to hunt down the strains that have that taste or trait you're looking for in a ton of phenos. The closest to getting a plant like the original is if it was selfed or S1. That is when pollen taken from a female (not from a hermie that is false. I've explained the process before) and used on itself. You can treat just one branch of a plant to get female pollen and use it on the rest of the plant. yadda yadda yadda........

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i may be wrong but iirc i remember you talking down about somas seeds. or maybe it was the way he produces his fem seeds. are you saying all his seeds are good or just the regular?
ok you confused me a bit with the f1 and s1 stuff, the place i ordered from doesnt say if they are f1 or s1. except for the freebies that im getting with my order, one is called kosher kush s1 and another freebie im getting is called tangie s1. the rest of the seeds im getting doesnt say if they are f1,f2, or s1.

heres the breeders and strains that i ordered,
heavyweight seeds: budzilla/fem. and strawberry cheesecake/fem
greenhouse seeds:  white rhino/fem.
cream of the crop seeds: sour turbo diesel/fem.
i know greenhouse seeds are not a very reputable seed bank but the whole order was a group buy and this is what 1 guy wanted. i tried telling him to pick seeds froma different breeder but i could not convince him. oh well im not the one whos going to end up with a bunch of hermies or questionable genetics.

the freebies im getting, the website only gave me the strain names so i have no idea who/where they came from.or if they are fem. or regular.they are:

animal cookies
girl scout cookies
kosher kush s1
tangie s1
kosher kush X girl scout cookies
tangie kosher kush
cherry bomb/fem

so is it safe to assume that the seeds not marked as f1 or s1 are seeds from selfed plants?

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i may be wrong but iirc i remember you talking down about somas seeds. or maybe it was the way he produces his fem seeds.

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You are exactly right. I hate the way he makes his fems but he has great genetics. His regulars are pretty killer.

Ok as for the breeders if they are S1s or fems they are gonna tell you. The same goes for F2s they are going to tell you and in most cases F2s will cost less. If a breeder has a strain of the same name as another breeder it's usually a knock off or a F2 of the original breeders strain.

Example many banks sell a version of blueberry. The true version is from DJ Short cause he is the original breeder.

S1s are fems by the way.

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or are all F1s homozygous enough to produce plants that resembles their parents?

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are all regular cannabis seeds homozygous F1s?

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ex1: say you took two seeds of dj shorts blueberry. one turned out to be a male(wit phenotype XX
and a with a female phenotype XX. now if you pollinated the bb female with the bb male. would the resulting seeds be homozygous F1s, or Heterozygous F1s or just some F2s that could give you offspring that resemble mom or dad or most likely a wide mix of the two?

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now with the S1s, are all fems. S1s? or just all S1s are fems.?

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All S1s are fems but not all fems are S1s. You can also have F1 fems.

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thedrake said:
yeah the seeds that i paid for told me if they were regular or feminized. none of them said f1 or s1 or s1 in the description.
but i think im understanding this a little bit better.

F1s are the first generation of seeds produced from distinctly different parental types. which produce seeds that are homozygous for the most part. now is it up to the breeder to make sure that the parents are homozygous enough to produce homozygous f1 seeds?or are all F1s homozygous enough to produce plants that resembles their parents? are all regular cannabis seeds homozygous F1s?
(ex1: say you took two seeds of dj shorts blueberry. one turned out to be a male(wit phenotype XX
and a with a female phenotype XX. now if you pollinated the bb female with the bb male. would the resulting seeds be homozygous F1s, or Heterozygous F1s or just some F2s that could give you offspring that resemble mom or dad or most likely a wide mix of the two?
F2s are the offspring of two f1 seeds/plants mating?

now with the S1s, are all fems. S1s? or just all S1s are fems.?
im thinking that the S1s are only the seeds that were produce by forcing the female to produce female pollen, and then using that pollen to pollinate a different plant that came from the same mother?

nvmd me saying im starting to understand. the more i read into the more confusing it gets.
thanks for the help guys, you guys are really helping me understand this stuff.
man i dont remember learning about Gregor Mendeland his pea expierments back in the 4th grade to be this hard and cunfusing..................................................................................if i wasnt on cannabis,etizolam,ethylphenidate, and kratom when i was trying to learn it might be a bit easier.  :crazy3
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sorry for all questions

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