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NYC trying to control its citizens yet again
    #691284 - 10/31/13 07:32 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

New York Raising Age to Buy Cigarettes to 21
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Buying cigarettes in New York City is about to become a lot harder for young people, as lawmakers on Wednesday adopted the strictest limits on tobacco purchases of any major American city.

The legal age for buying tobacco, including cigarettes, electronic cigarettes, cigars and cigarillos will rise to 21, from 18, under a bill adopted by the City Council and which Mayor Michael R. Bloomberg has said he would sign. The new minimum age will take effect six months after signing.

The proposal provoked some protest among people who pointed out that New Yorkers under 21 can drive, vote and fight in wars, and should be considered mature enough to decide whether to buy cigarettes. But the Bloomberg administration’s argument — that raising the age to buy cigarettes would discourage people from becoming addicted in the first place — won the day.

“This is literally legislation that will save lives,” Christine C. Quinn, the Council speaker, said shortly before the bill passed 35 to 10.

In pushing the bill, city officials said that the earlier people began smoking, the more likely they were to become addicted. And they pointed out that while the youth smoking rate in the city has declined by more than half since the beginning of the mayor’s administration, to 8.5 percent in 2007 from 17.6 percent in 2001, it has recently stalled.

Besides raising the age to buy cigarettes, the Council also approved various other antismoking measures, such as increased penalties for retailers who evade tobacco taxes, a prohibition on discounts for tobacco products, and a minimum price of $10.50 a pack for cigarettes and little cigars.

The new law is a capstone to more than a decade of efforts by Mr. Bloomberg, like banning smoking in most public places, that have given the city some of the toughest antismoking policies in the world.

In one concession to the cigarette industry, the administration dropped a proposal that would force retailers to keep cigarettes out of sight. City officials said they were doing it because they had not resolved how to deal with the new phenomenon of electronic cigarettes, but others worried that if the tobacco industry lodged a First Amendment challenge to the so-called display ban, it could have derailed the entire package.

The smoking age is 18 in most of the country, but some states have made it 19. Some counties have also adopted 19, including Nassau and Suffolk on Long Island. Needham, Mass., a suburb of Boston, raised the smoking age to 21 in 2005.

James Calvin, president of the New York Association of Convenience Stores, warned on Wednesday that thousands of retail jobs could be lost because the law would reduce traffic not just for tobacco, but also on incidental purchases like coffee or lottery tickets. He predicted that the law would do little to curb smoking, as it does not outlaw the possession of cigarettes by under-age smokers, only their purchase.

Just before the vote, Nicole Spencer, 16, was in Union Square in Manhattan with a cigarette wedged between her fingers.

“I don’t think that’s going to work,” Nicole said when she heard about the plan to raise the age.

She said she began smoking when she was about 13, and had no trouble getting cigarettes. “I buy them off people or I bum them off people,” she said.

She said that “probably half” of her friends at her high school smoked.

Nicole said she thought 18 was a reasonable legal age, echoing Councilman Jumaane D. Williams, who said he voted no because it was not right for the city to ask young people to make life-or-death decisions as police officers and firefighters yet to have “no ability to buy a pack of cigarettes.”




As a former smoker I think this is just plain stupid. But this is New York so I am not surprised.

It's not like people can just buy cartons online, out of state.
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Re: NYC trying to control its citizens yet again [Re: Deadkndys420]
    #691295 - 10/31/13 08:00 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

I could care less

Put as many restrictions, on poisonous product consumption, that they want


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Re: NYC trying to control its citizens yet again [Re: niteowl]
    #691322 - 11/01/13 08:51 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

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niteowl said:
I could care less

Put as many restrictions, on poisonous product consumption, that they want




And thats exactly how some people feel about marijuana cause the know no better.  We are suppose to live in a "free" word. BS..... Hows would that make you feel if it is something you like to consume?

On a side not 10.50 a pack could be a good thing for some! Who like to run cigs.. I get then for 32.00 a carton in VA and can be in NY 2 hours later, You then resell for 60.00 a carton and make good bank.... if you got the connections that is.....

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Re: NYC trying to control its citizens yet again [Re: GBurger717]
    #691323 - 11/01/13 08:56 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

Cannabis is NOT POISONOUS!!!

Tobacco = poisonous

Alcohol = poisonous

The government can place as many restrictions on the consumption of poisons in public places that they want.


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Re: NYC trying to control its citizens yet again [Re: GBurger717]
    #691353 - 11/01/13 01:13 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

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GBurger717 said:
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niteowl said:
I could care less

Put as many restrictions, on poisonous product consumption, that they want




And thats exactly how some people feel about marijuana cause the know no better.




Precisely, they dont know any better when it comes to marijuana.  That is entirely different then cigarettes.  We do know better then to smoke them and we are very well aware of the poisons placed in them.  Marijuana, on the other hand, is still under a great amount of research and is already proven to not be a poison, but a medicine with basically an unlimited amount of benefits.

I could care less upping the age to 21, but on the other hand I can also see how pointless it may be.  The article mentioned that there would be way less purchasing of coffee and lottery tickets, I thought that was interesting since I didnt think of it.


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Re: NYC trying to control its citizens yet again [Re: niteowl]
    #691370 - 11/01/13 04:58 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

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niteowl said:
Cannabis is NOT POISONOUS!!!

Tobacco = poisonous

Alcohol = poisonous

The government can place as many restrictions on the consumption of poisons in public places that they want.




I never said it was... i said cause ppl know no better.......


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Re: NYC trying to control its citizens yet again [Re: GBurger717] * 1
    #691508 - 11/03/13 08:14 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

NYC used to be the land of the free. Convenience stores never carded anyone. Times Square had more porn than the entire Internet today. The cops wouldn't hassle you for smoking a joint. The subways were covered in graffiti. Now it's a fucking nanny state where you can't even buy a large soda. Times Square is like Disney Land. There's cops and cameras in every nook and cranny. You can't even jump the turnstiles on the subways anymore.


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