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Re: Cloning [Re: Magash]
    #669199 - 05/05/13 02:37 AM (9 years, 6 months ago)

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Not seeing rooting as fast as a aero cloner or as much rooting then you need to modify your tech.







Its not just my tech, its almost everyone's clone's I've seen. Its easier to teach someone how to make an aerocloner than it is to explain to everyone how to get the optimal growth conditions for cloning, and then have them to actually achieve that. Its about $50 to make the one I use, but it automates the whole thing.

Three weeks in an aerocloner and they would still have more roots than those. This photo was taken 27 days after being cut off the plant.



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Re: Cloning [Re: PoloDown]
    #669203 - 05/05/13 02:48 AM (9 years, 6 months ago)

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Would you say the results are equal if I use root hormone gel/powder and RO water vs nutrients in the water? By running 24/7 I meant that I either have to run plain water or nutrient water but not both since I change all the time.




no nutrients in the cloner until they are rooted, then you generally will want to change the water before taking more cuttings to put in. You can use just water, but its usually faster with a rooting hormone. If you are just using the rooting gel/powder then you can let your water sit longer, just take the clones out before the roots get massive.  Let the rooting period be a rooting period, not a nutrient period. It has all the stuff it needs to get started, you can feed it lightly when you transplant it.

Every time I, or someone else I've seen use nutrients before they root has some discoloration and usually not as fast as with just the root hormone. Maybe you can find the magic blend, but its better to keep it simple.


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Re: Cloning [Re: phychotron]
    #669210 - 05/05/13 04:02 AM (9 years, 6 months ago)

Just thought id show some different plants in an aero cloner for those who havent seen before. These are bouganvillea, coleus, vicks, and croton.

These are my personal plants that I cloned using the Ez clone gel since it came with the machine, and I also used that Clear-Rez they sell too cuz it had a sample of that too. Prolly wouldnt buy that again though.




Takes about 1 week to see lil nodes pop up, 1-2 weeks to see decent roots forming, and by 2-3 weeks you have whats in these pictures.

All these plants were taken at the same time so you can see different plants respond differently to different conditions. Some root slower naturally and some just explode. Coleus will root readily with no hormones in shitty water in less than a week for example. Most herbs i see are taken out by 2 weeks if they use a gel, and 3 weeks if just straight water for some people i know that dont use gel for organic reasons.

For those wondering whether to use a hormone or a nutrient, do not use nutrients. Its harder on the plant until it has roots. Even then, when I feel like doing a super fast clone for some of my special plants ill use the gel with straight RO water in the machine for about a week, then do a water change and add a rooting product such as General Hydro's Rapid Start and run it for about another week or two. It contains willow bark extract which has been used for propagating for ages but you only use it after the roots have begun to form.

And you can see the menthol in this pic is going nuts, but after too long they can get hard to take out and you can damage the root system.

If you wanna be a real cheapo gangsta about it you could go down to home depot and use that shitty Green Light Rooting Stimulator. I personally dont like it but it contains IBA and ive seen it used in aero's with good results.

Personally I am with Psychotron on the Airpots. I have seen people transplant to 3 or 5 liter Air Pot, veg for another week or two and then flower. The combination of completely unrestricted roots going into a container that can not get root bound are really fucking nuts. The plants take off super fast and get really big really fast.

Dont bitch cuz its not herb, im in texas so fuck you suck a dick. Just trying to show what roots look like since someone showed em in rockwool.


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Re: Cloning [Re: SmokeSomeHash]
    #669214 - 05/05/13 04:19 AM (9 years, 6 months ago)

Oh yeah hey psychotron...how do you water those airpots. Because I noticed you have them in deep trays. I use em from time to time and I do the same because I flood it almost like an ebb and flow system and then drain it otherwise the water comes out the holes.

Then again I water from the bottom sometimes just cuz thats how I do it...but I know that will start a whole nother thread with people telling me im wrong.


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Re: Cloning [Re: SmokeSomeHash]
    #669234 - 05/05/13 07:11 AM (9 years, 6 months ago)

Great posts going on lots of information here!!

Would you guys say those 1 liter air pots do as good or better then a 1 gallon bag or pot?


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Re: Cloning [Re: PoloDown]
    #669272 - 05/05/13 03:18 PM (9 years, 6 months ago)

Better.

Anything bigger than 3L gets expensive. The 1L and 3L are cool...anything bigger and id go with smart pots or similar.


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Re: Cloning [Re: PoloDown]
    #669288 - 05/05/13 08:09 PM (9 years, 6 months ago)

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Great posts going on lots of information here!!

Would you guys say those 1 liter air pots do as good or better then a 1 gallon bag or pot?





For the airpots the 1L are by far the best investment. The larger the airpot the less you'll notice any difference over a cloth bag. The small 1L are great for prepping it to transplant to a large pot--the roots are in prime location for invading the soil as soon as it gets planted.

I only use them for about 2-3 weeks until they get roots like mad, then transplant them. Even In coco they don't have huge watering requirement for the first few weeks. Watering gets done with a small 2L water spout that gets right in the center. The tall sided trays are coincidental, they just happen to be in my closet, work perfectly, and accept the run off. Sometimes I'll leave some water in the bottom for a few days if they're going really fast.


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Re: Cloning [Re: phychotron]
    #669289 - 05/05/13 09:01 PM (9 years, 6 months ago)

They sound amazing.

For sea of green I've flowered in one gallon grow bags. I was considering doing a sea of green with 1 liter air pots instead of one gallon


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Re: Cloning [Re: PoloDown]
    #669333 - 05/06/13 01:56 AM (9 years, 6 months ago)

I got mine from rogue hydro.com, they are listed as .3 gal now, but they look the same. $2.50 each is the best price I was able to find a year ago from them, probably still the cheapest. Looks like they have free shipping now too.

By grow bags do you mean plastic disposable or cloth? I'm not too fond of those plastic bags for very long, only when I need to hold a plant for awhile. I'd go with rigid plastic before I go back to the soft bags.

You could flower in the 1L, but I'd want a flood table or some sort of automatic watering, they're going to dry up fast in flower. I can't vouch for how well they would work that way, but I think the way I use them is the best route with them--prepping for transplant.


Sorry OP, we kinda hijacked the thread with the airpots, but still valuable info nonetheless.


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Re: Cloning [Re: phychotron]
    #669356 - 05/06/13 07:59 AM (9 years, 6 months ago)

Ive flowered a monster plant in a 1L airpot. It was huge for such a tiny container but turned out to be male...One of the coolest plants i ever saw though.

But as far as the whole auto flood and drain even though its soil...i say thats the only way to use these pots.

They dry out so insanely fast but if you do a feeding every other water you pump more nutes into the same grow and if you know what youre doin can get fucking HUGE plants. You use a lot of nutes with very little soil and the containers are very, very sturdy and highly reusable.

I know the topic of bottom watering soil plants is debatable and some say its just not the way to do of salt build up but i highly disagree, especially with these pots.

Ane at what point is this thread hijacked?


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Re: Cloning [Re: phychotron]
    #669364 - 05/06/13 09:31 AM (9 years, 6 months ago)

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I got mine from rogue hydro.com, they are listed as .3 gal now, but they look the same. $2.50 each is the best price I was able to find a year ago from them, probably still the cheapest. Looks like they have free shipping now too.

By grow bags do you mean plastic disposable or cloth? I'm not too fond of those plastic bags for very long, only when I need to hold a plant for awhile. I'd go with rigid plastic before I go back to the soft bags.

You could flower in the 1L, but I'd want a flood table or some sort of automatic watering, they're going to dry up fast in flower. I can't vouch for how well they would work that way, but I think the way I use them is the best route with them--prepping for transplant.


Sorry OP, we kinda hijacked the thread with the airpots, but still valuable info nonetheless.




I use the grow bags that are actual bags made of plastic. I'm only using them because they are tall and skinny instead of short and fat or whatever but that was for my veg tent and now I want to flower in them.

But now flowering in 1 liter air pots is starting to sound better then the one gallon bags or even plastic pots that are one gallon.  I'm not worried about having to water a lot because my flowe tent isn't that big I wouldn't have more then like 12 in there or so at a time


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Re: Cloning [Re: PoloDown]
    #677314 - 07/08/13 12:17 AM (9 years, 4 months ago)

whats the youngest plant youve taken clones off of?


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Re: Cloning [Re: PoloDown]
    #677383 - 07/08/13 11:44 AM (9 years, 4 months ago)

Hey Polo I've flowered plants in small pots before.



but that doesn't mean I recommend it. The more root space the better no matter the situation. Weather in a air pot or hydro don't matter. More root space more yield simple as that.


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