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Offlinejellyfish
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Clone of a clone of a clone
    #38005 - 05/23/08 05:57 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

My friend took a cutting of one of his coworkers plants, hoping it would be awesome as the guys bud is always the best. The thing is the clone was taking from a flowering plant that was a clone from the dudes mama plant which may even be a clone (he's too much of a stoner to remember if it came from a seed or not). Now my friend would like to start his garden with a bunch of these bad boys but doesn't know if the plants are going to succumb to senescence and give poor yields. If it's okay he'll keep the clone as a mother and use it over and over again but otherwise he's just going to flower it alone. Any ideas about how many "generations" is too many?


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Re: Clone of a clone of a clone [Re: jellyfish]
    #38008 - 05/23/08 06:26 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Re: Clone of a clone of a clone [Re: jellyfish]
    #38010 - 05/23/08 06:29 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

There isn't actually any such thing as "too many generations". The only thing you would have to worry about is, somewhere along the lines, one of the plants getting diseased. Taking clones from the flowering state is more of a concern because the clone's hormones will have to change to the vegetative state again, so it might take longer for it to root or have more difficulty rooting. The idea that a plant will lose its integrity after successive generations is an unfounded myth.

Although it isn't a substantiated claim, I've read a response one grower had to this question, which is that he's been cloning the same plant for ten years with no loss in integrity. :lol:


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Re: Clone of a clone of a clone [Re: Sirius]
    #38141 - 05/23/08 09:59 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

if you took it within the first 2 weeks of flower it should be ok...

at least ime.

i cloned a batch outdoor that were from a flowering mum. i dont know how long she had been flowering, but she was...


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Re: Clone of a clone of a clone [Re: just me]
    #38226 - 05/24/08 12:47 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Alright, I thought there was a problem with that (something to do with telomeres?) but maybe not.


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Re: Clone of a clone of a clone [Re: just me]
    #38364 - 05/24/08 12:32 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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just me said:
if you took it within the first 2 weeks of flower it should be ok...

at least ime.




Yeah, I've just read that it can be more difficult and can take more time since it has to revert its hormones back to vegetative state. I'm sure it works if you know how to do it well. :grin:


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Re: Clone of a clone of a clone [Re: Sirius]
    #38394 - 05/24/08 02:07 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

That problem has already been solved. It's like a foot taller than it was when it was cut and it's under veg lighting. The problem is senescence but I'm not sure if It's a big issue with weed.


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Re: Clone of a clone of a clone [Re: jellyfish]
    #38397 - 05/24/08 02:21 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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That problem has already been solved.




Then you have no problem! :grin:


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Re: Clone of a clone of a clone [Re: jellyfish]
    #38401 - 05/24/08 03:07 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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jellyfish said:
That problem has already been solved. It's like a foot taller than it was when it was cut and it's under veg lighting. The problem is senescence but I'm not sure if It's a big issue with weed.





senescence (whats this mean?)


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Re: Clone of a clone of a clone [Re: just me]
    #38405 - 05/24/08 03:16 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

the degradation of genetics through generations of clones. So basically the more generations you produce the more unstable the genetics become.


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Re: Clone of a clone of a clone [Re: coda]
    #38412 - 05/24/08 03:30 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

but thats not true is it?


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Re: Clone of a clone of a clone [Re: just me]
    #38418 - 05/24/08 03:36 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

it's possible it can happen, i've never seen it, but im sure anything is possible.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Senescence

read up homie.


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Re: Clone of a clone of a clone [Re: coda]
    #38431 - 05/24/08 04:04 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

ill stick to my farmers almanac and wives tales wisdom...

wiki can suck my diki :crazy2:

definately anythings possible.

i usually only run a clone for about 3 generations, and then its time for new weedz


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Re: Clone of a clone of a clone [Re: coda]
    #38438 - 05/24/08 04:21 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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it's possible it can happen, i've never seen it, but im sure anything is possible.




Its a possibility, but it would be completely unreasonable to avoid taking successive clones due to the possibility. The perspectives I've read on the matter from accomplished growers, even Cervantes, have stated that they've never experienced any decline in genetic integrity over many successive clones and even years. There's nothing to lose by continuing to clone; if some decline did become apparent, then it would be known and one simply wouldn't clone from that line any further. Its a myth, no different than the idea that 18/6 is better than 24/0 because the plants need rest. :wink:


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Re: Clone of a clone of a clone [Re: Sirius]
    #39339 - 05/25/08 09:26 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

I don't know much about marijuana cultivation. But I have a friend whose dad has been growing from the same genetics since sometime in the 80s. He's never kept a mother plant and just cuts clones generation after generation (I don't know whether he takes the cuttings in flower or veg). The last couple years, the plants have apparently been turning hermaphrodite partway through the grow with an oddly high frequency, which is obviously very undesirable. Could this be a display of senescence?


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Re: Clone of a clone of a clone [Re: Sativus]
    #39400 - 05/25/08 11:31 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

yup.


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Re: Clone of a clone of a clone [Re: Sativus]
    #39616 - 05/26/08 06:55 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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I don't know much about marijuana cultivation.  But I have a friend whose dad has been growing from the same genetics since sometime in the 80s.  He's never kept a mother plant and just cuts clones generation after generation (I don't know whether he takes the cuttings in flower or veg).  The  last couple years, the plants have apparently been turning hermaphrodite partway through the grow with an oddly high frequency, which is obviously very undesirable.  Could this be a display of senescence?




It could be. Other variables in his environment may have changed to cause high frequencies of hermies, lots of kinds of stress. You should find out what kind of changes he's made to his grow op in the last couple of years.

Even if it was senescence, twenty years before any kind of undesirable occurrence becomes apparent is more than enough time to get the most out of the same genetics, certainly no reason to be concerned. :smirk:


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Re: Clone of a clone of a clone [Re: Sirius]
    #39632 - 05/26/08 09:32 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

I grew my Sensi Star X legends ultimate indica for about fifteen generations going clone to clone to clone.
A few times I cloned during flower as late as the 8th or 10 week when it was necessary.
I noticed no deterioration in any of its characteristics.

All the strains I've grown I always go clone to clone and never have mothers. The ss X LUI was the longest by far that I've grown the same clones but I also found no deterioration in any other strain I've grown through successive generations.


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Re: Clone of a clone of a clone [Re: just me]
    #42326 - 05/28/08 07:21 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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just me said:
if you took it within the first 2 weeks of flower it should be ok...

at least ime.




I was reading some interesting information that made me think of this post of yours, and I thought I would share it, regarding the first couple weeks of flowering and taking clones. :smile:

Its been suggested that clones taken after flipping the lights to 12/12 have a tendency to root faster. Apparently, when you increase the amount of dark hours, starch levels in the plants decrease, fibers and tissue soften, the thickness of cell walls lessens, vascular tissue, the level of auxins rises, and undifferentiated tissue forms. This is why the plant stretches, and also the same biological process for root growth, so the level of rooting hormones increases. Of course, this cloning would take place during the stretch and not when real flowering begins to take place.

I haven't researched into that further to determine its accuracy, but it certainly sounds plausible. :wink:


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Re: Clone of a clone of a clone [Re: Sirius]
    #42328 - 05/28/08 07:28 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Sirius said:
Quote:

just me said:
if you took it within the first 2 weeks of flower it should be ok...

at least ime.




I was reading some interesting information that made me think of this post of yours, and I thought I would share it, regarding the first couple weeks of flowering and taking clones. :smile:

Its been suggested that clones taken after flipping the lights to 12/12 have a tendency to root faster. Apparently, when you increase the amount of dark hours, starch levels in the plants decrease, fibers and tissue soften, the thickness of cell walls lessens, vascular tissue, the level of auxins rises, and undifferentiated tissue forms. This is why the plant stretches, and also the same biological process for root growth, so the level of rooting hormones increases. Of course, this cloning would take place during the stretch and not when real flowering begins to take place.

I haven't researched into that further to determine its accuracy, but it certainly sounds plausible. :wink:




good read :thumbup:

now try and figure out why groweed shat on my ratings for a post a few up the page...:nonono:


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