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First Grow- Soil - 950 W HPS- (UPDATED 04/30/2012) (Day 86 flowering) HARVEST
    #604226 - 01/07/12 08:51 AM (4 years, 10 months ago)

Hi Guys,
This is my first indoor grow , under 400 watt metal halide lamp.
Temperature is between 22-26 centigrade.
The strain is afghan...
These are almost 4 weeks old. (I put them in the soil 4 weeks ago, and take up to 1 week to seedling.)
Light cycle was 24/0 but i was afraid of electric bill so i changed it to 19/5 since 2 days ago.
I use mix of regular soil + perlite + a little coco peat + a little peat moss !

I start with about 50 seeds, about 35 of them did it.
I changed the pot for 5 of them and I donno how to share the lights if I replace all with bigger pot, but i think its almost the time for changing pot !

http://growmari.com/mygallery/07.01.2012/

UPDATE 30.01.2012 :

     

LOOK AT THE FLOWERING PICS AT THE END OF THIS PAGE.


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Re: First Grow- Soil - 400 W MH [Re: growmari]
    #604227 - 01/07/12 09:28 AM (4 years, 10 months ago)

im not sure but i think u shouldve used the fertilizer since last week,im using horse manure compost its good,altho i started with normal soil with perlite and verm,i think coco is more for hydro rather than soil..gud luck


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Re: First Grow- Soil - 400 W MH [Re: psyco d]
    #604298 - 01/07/12 10:23 PM (4 years, 10 months ago)

They could probably use a light feeding.  I wouldn't change the lights to hps until you plan to change the light cycle to 12/12 and begin to flower.  With that many plants and 1 light you should probably start soon.  That's a ton of plants for 1 400w light!  the will probably at get about 2 times larger through the flower cycle.


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Re: First Grow- Soil - 400 W MH [Re: phrostbyte]
    #604316 - 01/08/12 01:46 AM (4 years, 10 months ago)

Thank you both for your comments. :smile:
Can i use florescent lamp beside the MH to providing more light ?!
Is it gonna work ?
I can't add another MH lamp because the electricite is expensive in here.


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Re: First Grow- Soil - 400 W MH [Re: growmari]
    #604317 - 01/08/12 03:48 AM (4 years, 10 months ago)

Are your seeds feminized? If not you will lose ~25-75% to male plants. That would free up some space.

You can use as much light as you can fit in your area without burning the plants from heat. So yes you can add fluorescent lights because those run very cool. Also you can flower under MH but you get better results if you use HPS or a mix of HPS/MH/CFL etc.

Coco is a fine amendment for soil, it will add water retention and many other benefits that come with coco, but those benefits are more noticeable when it's the only medium, at which point it would be a hydro medium.

Seedlings don't need ferts for the first 1-3wks depending on what is in your 'regular soil'. When you do start feeding, start at 1/4 strength then move up slowly.

You won't be able to see the sex for at least a couple weeks about :shrug:

phrostbyte has great pics of what pre-flowers look like in his log.

Oh, and 18/6 is just fine for veg and will save you a little extra.


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Re: First Grow- Soil - 400 W MH [Re: Nanook]
    #604322 - 01/08/12 04:52 AM (4 years, 10 months ago)

Quote:

Nanook said:
Are your seeds feminized? If not you will lose ~25-75% to male plants. That would free up some space.

You can use as much light as you can fit in your area without burning the plants from heat. So yes you can add fluorescent lights because those run very cool. Also you can flower under MH but you get better results if you use HPS or a mix of HPS/MH/CFL etc.

Coco is a fine amendment for soil, it will add water retention and many other benefits that come with coco, but those benefits are more noticeable when it's the only medium, at which point it would be a hydro medium.

Seedlings don't need ferts for the first 1-3wks depending on what is in your 'regular soil'. When you do start feeding, start at 1/4 strength then move up slowly.

You won't be able to see the sex for at least a couple weeks about :shrug:

phrostbyte has great pics of what pre-flowers look like in his log.

Oh, and 18/6 is just fine for veg and will save you a little extra.




75 percent ?! :frown: oh my god ! Too bad !
I extract most of those seeds from the weeds I smoke before, and get some from a friend ! All the weeds I smoke was very strong, but I read all over the net its not good idea to use those seeds but I never find out why ?!!?  God Bless ! :laugh:
Nanook, Thanks for your advice. :smile:


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Re: First Grow- Soil - 400 W MH [Re: growmari]
    #604351 - 01/08/12 12:46 PM (4 years, 10 months ago)

75% is a little extreme but 50% is average. I have always had about 40% males when using un-femed seeds.

Bagseed is more unpredictable. You don't know what created the seeds, whether it's stray male pollen or hermi pollen, what strain it came from etc. You can get fantastic genes from bagseed but you are almost guaranteed good genes if you order legit strains.


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Re: First Grow- Soil - 400 W MH [Re: Nanook]
    #607249 - 01/29/12 05:03 PM (4 years, 10 months ago)

Uploaded some new new pics.
They are not at the same age (my bad) but i have no choice and will put them on 12/12 in about 2 weeks.
So what do you think ?!
I speed up the growing process by adding an extra 400 watt HPS and it really worked :laugh:
According to the photos can anyone estimate average weight if i put them on 12/12 in 2 weeks from now ?!
Just make a guess based on your knowledge.


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Re: First Grow- Soil - 400 W MH [Re: growmari]
    #607264 - 01/29/12 06:10 PM (4 years, 10 months ago)

Nice, they mostly look very healthy. remember they will stretch when flowered. I would LST them now and let them fill in over the next 2 weeks and then flip to 12/12.

Stickey thread in the Cultivation forum about training methods like LST

Barring any sort of catastrophic event, I would guess, VERY CONSERVATIVELY,  after pulling, lets say, 50% males, you could harvest 1.5-5oz dry. But it's very hard to say at this stage. Most of those small ones will just barely be mature enough to flower, so you would only  expect 3-10g depending on strain and exact size. The larger ones I would expect 5-20g.

If your space is filled in and not too far from the light, you can expect between .25 to .75 grams per watt of light used. Really awesome setups reach 1gpw and more. With just a single 400w HPS that would be between 100 and 300 grams, or about 3.5 to 10 ounces of dried buds.

Canopy density, overall health and stress levels, light amount and penetration, airflow, proper nutrients, forming seeds, and of course genetics will all have an effect on yield.


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Re: First Grow- Soil - 400 W MH [Re: Nanook]
    #607267 - 01/29/12 06:29 PM (4 years, 10 months ago)

Its actually 800 Watt.
At first it was only 400 watt MH but 2 weeks ago 400 watt HPS added.
I'll replace MH with HPS in flowering period, So i have 800 Watt HPS for flowering period.
There is question in my mind and i never found the answer.
while the temperature is always between 21-25 I never could close the light to the plants less than 80 CM....
They are curling... I wonder how do you guys keep the distance in 50 CM or less ?!?!
Maybe just because its shit bagseed and as far as i know people in here always grow marijuana outside... so maybe the strain is not good enough for indoor because they grew outside for years ?!


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Re: First Grow- Soil - 400 W MH [Re: growmari]
    #607273 - 01/29/12 06:52 PM (4 years, 10 months ago)

Oh ok, I thought you replaced the MH with HPS. That should improve things as long as there is the plant matter to take advantage of the extra light.

Air cooled reflector hoods and large expensive in-line fans, coupled with air conditioning the grow space, keep temps down pretty well. Right now, I use one (760cfm)fan on 3 1000w hoods and use cold air from outside, drawn through ducting and the hoods, along with lots of internal airflow, to cool my op. I happen to be pumping the nice fresh warm air into my house, but only because it's winter. In the summer I run that duct out the window and also require extra AC, pumped into the room via the central air, to keep the room cool.
Check out my current log to see how close my plants are (most buds are 11-18in from the middle of the glass on the reflectors).

I do something mostly like the 3 pics halfway down this post on younger plants. Just bending the tops to encourage bushy growth is the goal.

Do a search for temps in the cultivation forums and you should find lots of good info.


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    #607413 - 01/30/12 04:51 AM (4 years, 10 months ago)

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Re: First Grow- Soil - 400 W MH [Re: growmari]
    #607454 - 01/30/12 02:27 PM (4 years, 10 months ago)

SHIT
5 out of 6 are fucking male :|.
So I think I'll lose 70-80 % of my plants !
I'm disappointed :frown:
They were all the biggest ones in my grow room. :frown:


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Flowering day 23 [Re: growmari]
    #610752 - 02/27/12 04:58 PM (4 years, 9 months ago)

These are in flowering day 23 under 950 watt HPS.
Can anyone tell me howmuch longer should I grow them before harvest ? just an approximate time...
Also i'm wondering howmuch bigger will be these bud in the harvest time ?
They are 15 from 3 different strains.(bagseed)
I moved them to new smaller room with an extra 150 watt HPS light, they get really more lights in the new room rather than the old room because the old room was actually my hall and I grow them in the corner so there was a lots of light waste on that room.
high temperature was the problem in this room and I think I handle it somehow by using two huge fans. Its between 24 (lights off) and 26-28 centigrade when lights are on.

Any minimum and maximum for my yield ?
Sorry guys for too many questions.this is my fist grow and I spend lot of money & time for it.
any reply would be appreciated. :smile:




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Re: Flowering day 23 [Re: growmari]
    #610841 - 02/28/12 09:03 AM (4 years, 9 months ago)

No one going to make a reply in here ? :laugh:
Come on guys


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Re: Flowering day 23 [Re: growmari]
    #610866 - 02/28/12 02:37 PM (4 years, 9 months ago)

Hey, looks good man!

Is that also 23 days in 12/12?

If so, you have at least another 30 days to go. Most strains will treat you well at 8-9 weeks of 12/12.

Minimum yield, lets say, .3 grams per watt, means 285g which is about 10 ounces.

Maximum, probably .75 gpw, means about 25 ounces.

Pretty big range, I know, but it's hard to tell with just pics, not being able to feel the buds. Try to make sure as many bud sites as possible are in the brightest light you can manage, tuck fan leaves under buds to get more light to them.

Also, they will get MUCH MUCH MUCH better and thicker and frostier and heavier over the next 3-4 weeks, BE PATIENT! Under 400w lights you can expect colas to be 4-8 inches of solid bud at the tips of the plants.


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Re: Flowering day 23 [Re: Nanook]
    #610875 - 02/28/12 03:42 PM (4 years, 9 months ago)

Hi Nanook :smile:
Yes, They are under 12/12 since 24 days ago.
So I think I've to wait for at least 4-5 weeks.
I'm going to search and find some ways to provide more lights for the bottom buds.
Any topic or special way to do that ?


Thaaaanksss


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Re: Flowering day 23 [Re: growmari]
    #610896 - 02/28/12 04:58 PM (4 years, 9 months ago)

High output floros on your walls.


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Re: Flowering day 23 [Re: Hawksresurrection]
    #611386 - 03/03/12 02:03 PM (4 years, 9 months ago)

I've always wanted to do that, hawk!

I chose to hang a vertical bare MH in my plants, but they're around 5' and taller.

Hanging CFL's can be a good way to go as well, less heat.


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Re: Flowering day 23 [Re: Nanook]
    #611452 - 03/04/12 02:27 AM (4 years, 9 months ago)

Quote:

Nanook said:
I've always wanted to do that, hawk!

I chose to hang a vertical bare MH in my plants, but they're around 5' and taller.

Hanging CFL's can be a good way to go as well, less heat.






And way less power consumption.  Great way to increase light to the lower buds.  Another cheap easy way is to hang white poster board to reflect the light to the side of your plants.


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