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 First time grower, Single plant. Could use some experienced eyes 
#494486 - 11/02/10 09:08 PM (13 years, 5 months ago) |
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Hey guys, I'm a first time grower and thought I'd start a log on here to get some input and tips as my baby grows up.
Specs:
Grow medium: Rockwool
Nute: GH Floragro
Lights: 2 2' 24watt T5's and one 28 watt CFL
Ventilation:Single Oscillating fan
Co2 production: Baking soda vinegar (Just started doing this today,we'll see if it has any effect.)
Alright so I'm about 2 weeks and 2 days into my grow (Once Germed seed went into little rockwool cube) and what I've been doing is watering using distilled one gallon jugs from my local grocery store after, for the first week she got nothing but water, then I mixed a gallon of very diluted Floragro (followed the back recipe .5tsp per gal.) and she got that for a week, then I just recently switched to the 1 tsp strength alternating nutes and regular distilled water each watering.
Alright so I do have a few questions though, Does my plant look a little small for the time its been vegging for? (maybe I'm just impatient) And do you guys thing this setup will work alright for me? I plan on either buying some bloom bulbs for my T5's or getting a HPS 150 watt. Only thing I'm worried about is heat b/c I'm not able to vent very well but he heat isn't a problem with the T5's.
Onto the pics:
Thanks guys, post away
Edited by jkell (11/02/10 09:32 PM)
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Re: First time grower, Single plant. Could use some experienced eyes [Re: jkell]
#494868 - 11/03/10 09:45 PM (13 years, 5 months ago) |
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Any suggestions on how to improve and make things better or advice on ways to get the highest yield possible for this plant are welcome, I was thinking about doing some LST, is it too early to start?
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Re: First time grower, Single plant. Could use some experienced eyes [Re: jkell]
#494918 - 11/04/10 06:28 AM (13 years, 5 months ago) |
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they say you can develop mildew on the tops of those rockwool cubes when the light hits them. they make caps for them, or maybe tranplant it into a pot with soil and or soiless material which you can use to cover the cubes. as well as give more room for root growth. big roots=big buds
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Re: First time grower, Single plant. Could use some experienced eyes [Re: jkell]
#494934 - 11/04/10 07:20 AM (13 years, 5 months ago) |
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With the baking soda/vinegar, you don't want to just mix them together all at once, but rather get a slow and steady drip of vinegar into a container of baking soda, allowing for a constant production of co2.
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Re: First time grower, Single plant. Could use some experienced eyes [Re: jkell]
#495196 - 11/04/10 08:07 PM (13 years, 5 months ago) |
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Thanks guys, Yeah I want to tranfer the rockwool cubes into a soiless medium and possibly set up an ebb and flow system, but the funds aren't there right now.
And as for the Co2 thing I was going to try and get a constant CO2 thing setup but I figured why cant I fill the room with CO2 then the plant uses it when it see's fit?
Alright guys heres the next update, plant is now 2 weeks and 6 days (20 days), since germinated seed went into rockwool.
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Re: First time grower, Single plant. Could use some experienced eyes [Re: jkell]
#495309 - 11/05/10 07:11 AM (13 years, 5 months ago) |
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That would work, if you had absolutely no ventilation in your room/cabinet.
Rockwool looks like baby shit to me. I'd wait another week or so then transplant that sucker into some soil.
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Re: First time grower, Single plant. Could use some experienced eyes [Re: Hefe]
#495310 - 11/05/10 07:15 AM (13 years, 5 months ago) |
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I think you could start feeding her a stronger solution soon, she looks a little Pale, N hungry perhaps.
i would also transfer to a big soil pot when she outgrows that cube if i was you
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Re: First time grower, Single plant. Could use some experienced eyes [Re: jkell]
#495323 - 11/05/10 07:57 AM (13 years, 5 months ago) |
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Thanks guys, I plan on transplating her pretty soon because she's already got a root coming out the bottom, I'll prob wait for a few more to show first though.
@Inbred. You think a stronger solution? This is my first grow so I haven't really been able to gauge nutes very well and I don't wanna burn her but I'll give it a try. Right now I'm feeding her the 1 tsp/gallon GH Floragro mixture. I think the next step up is 3 tsp/gal
Also I'm not going to be around this weekend, do you guys think its alright if I give her a nice watering fri (today) at around noon then take off for the weekend and check on her on Sun morning?
P.S. I also think my plant sexed female, is it too early to tell and I'm just making things up or could it actually be true?
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Re: First time grower, Single plant. Could use some experienced eyes [Re: jkell]
#495335 - 11/05/10 08:34 AM (13 years, 5 months ago) |
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Also is it bad that my stem is purple? Is this normal?
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Re: First time grower, Single plant. Could use some experienced eyes [Re: jkell]
#495351 - 11/05/10 09:40 AM (13 years, 5 months ago) |
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Purple/Red stems are a sign of nutrient deficiencies. Usually magnesium or phosphorus.
Check the pH of your water/nute solution.
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Re: First time grower, Single plant. Could use some experienced eyes [Re: jkell]
#495612 - 11/05/10 11:24 PM (13 years, 5 months ago) |
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Purple/Red stems are a sign of nutrient deficiencies.
This is not always true. Many cannabis plants have purple stems, especially as seedlings. Your plant looks happy and healthy to me, if a bit small for three weeks old.
How often are you watering?
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Re: First time grower, Single plant. Could use some experienced eyes [Re: God]
#495627 - 11/06/10 12:16 AM (13 years, 5 months ago) |
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Its three weeks exactly since the germed seed went in the rockwool? this is small for three weeks from seed? I water about once every day sometimes every other day. Any suggestions on how to make my girl grow faster?
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Re: First time grower, Single plant. Could use some experienced eyes [Re: jkell]
#495636 - 11/06/10 01:28 AM (13 years, 5 months ago) |
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it looks pale to me, i would say with 90% certainty it could use more nitrogen.
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Re: First time grower, Single plant. Could use some experienced eyes [Re: Inbred_gimp]
#495736 - 11/06/10 02:19 PM (13 years, 5 months ago) |
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Looks like your losing a lot of light,some reflecting material,(cfl's lose light farther it goes from the middle)some hydrogen peroxide perhaps to help oxygen absorption?
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Re: First time grower, Single plant. Could use some experienced eyes [Re: kilgo]
#495791 - 11/06/10 06:49 PM (13 years, 5 months ago) |
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Yes, I'd expect it to be a bit bigger at 3 weeks, but it's nothing to worry about. I agree with Inbred and kilgo, it could probably be fed a little more and use more light. Reflective material (something painted "flat white" is great) on the sides will help; how close are your lights to the top of the plant?
As for watering, I'm not too familiar with rockwool honestly, so I can't comment directly...however, watering every day seems too often to me. I don't know, people have plants growing in rockwool on a drip or ebb/flow system, so I guess it can stay wet constantly, it just depends on how much you give them and how much the rockwool can hold. Is the top of the rockwool still damp to the touch when you water each time?
Hopefully someone with more knowledge on the medium will chime in.
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Re: First time grower, Single plant. Could use some experienced eyes [Re: God]
#495848 - 11/06/10 10:39 PM (13 years, 5 months ago) |
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It seems to me that Rockwool is the least absorbent of all the growing mediums so that could account for my frequent waterings.
I just mixed up an "aggressive vegetative" mixture and I plan on feeding my girl sunday.
The lights is about 3-4 inches off the top of the plant. Ive been looking around for some mylar but would tinfoil work as a quick fix?
@kilgo what about hydrogen peroxide? More info? sounds like an interesting thing to try.
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Re: First time grower, Single plant. Could use some experienced eyes [Re: jkell]
#495885 - 11/07/10 12:51 AM (13 years, 5 months ago) |
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Cool, that's good. Keep those lights close. Get MOAR light if you can, too. It's looking happy now, no worries, but when it's big it'll need better coverage. What sort of light are you going to use for flowering?
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Re: First time grower, Single plant. Could use some experienced eyes [Re: God]
#495891 - 11/07/10 01:05 AM (13 years, 5 months ago) |
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I've been looking around for a HPS. I'm not sure on wattage though. I want to get a decent amount of wattage and coverage without using too much electricity. I was thinking either a 150 or 250. Do you think I'd need to setup a new vent system in order to keep the temp down with either one of these wattages? My grow space is about 4' by 3' how many plants do you think i could grow in this space for my second grow and how big of a light you think I'd need?
Also I think I might be getting an ebb and flow system set up sometime this week. I'll post pics if/when it does get up and running.
Edit: I was planning on transplanting my rockwool cubes into a 3 gal with hydroton, for an ebb and flow system, is this smart? what have you guys transplanted your rockwool into for ebb and flow?
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Re: First time grower, Single plant. Could use some experienced eyes [Re: jkell]
#496018 - 11/07/10 04:16 PM (13 years, 5 months ago) |
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Alright guys got back to my baby a few hours ago and she was looking a little N deficient so I gave her some of the aggressive veg growth mixture I had, I'm hoping tomorrow she wont be looking so sick. Take a look at these pictures and confirm or refute my diagnosis. I wouldn't doubt if I'm wrong.
Here it looks like N problems because of the lighter green/yellow in the leafs (everything I've read point to N)
But then in this one it looks like nute burn on the tip WTF? Can N deficiency also cause a "Nute burn" looking...erm burn?
Here's some more:
I had a feeling I'd run into some problems on my first grow, but thats what I have the Growery for 
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Re: First time grower, Single plant. Could use some experienced eyes [Re: jkell]
#496034 - 11/07/10 05:02 PM (13 years, 5 months ago) |
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Actually, those first couple pictures look fine to me. Nitrogen deficiency starts yellowing at the tips/edges of the leaves and works its way in.
I hope your "aggressive" veg formula isn't too intense; it's better to work your way up gradually and see what the plant can handle at each stage. If it starts to look burnt or something, you can flush it with a dilute solution to clear out the excessive nutrients.
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Re: First time grower, Single plant. Could use some experienced eyes [Re: God]
#496045 - 11/07/10 05:33 PM (13 years, 5 months ago) |
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Pictures aren't great but there is some yellowing in person. Its on the inside of the leaves though and didnt start from the outside in what else could it be? And if you take a look at the second pic does that tip look burned?
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Re: First time grower, Single plant. Could use some experienced eyes [Re: jkell]
#496172 - 11/08/10 12:23 AM (13 years, 5 months ago) |
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Thanks guys, I plan on transplating her pretty soon because she's already got a root coming out the bottom, I'll prob wait for a few more to show first though.
The tap root penetrates the bottom of your container long before the plant is actually rooted.
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P.S. I also think my plant sexed female, is it too early to tell and I'm just making things up or could it actually be true?
Show pictures of what you're seeing.
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Also I'm not going to be around this weekend, do you guys think its alright if I give her a nice watering fri (today) at around noon then take off for the weekend and check on her on Sun morning?
You should know better than anyone how long until that cube dries out.
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@Inbred. You think a stronger solution? This is my first grow so I haven't really been able to gauge nutes very well and I don't wanna burn her but I'll give it a try. Right now I'm feeding her the 1 tsp/gallon GH Floragro mixture. I think the next step up is 3 tsp/gal
Why would you think you need to go from 1tsp to 3? Floragro also isn't a complete nutrient solution you need the Micro (especially the micro!) and the bloom.
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Re: First time grower, Single plant. Could use some experienced eyes [Re: maryanne3087]
#496334 - 11/08/10 12:07 PM (13 years, 5 months ago) |
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The back of the Floragro bottle says to go from 1tsp to 3tsp per gallon, so thats where I got that from.
I cant get any pictures of what I was seeing cause my camera isnt that good, but after further research I've concluded it wasn't pistils I was seeing so still no sex.
Thanks for the reply man I got some of that Microgro and added it together with the floragro and fed her hopefully she perks up then because she's looking a little wilty/sickly
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Re: First time grower, Single plant. Could use some experienced eyes [Re: jkell]
#496379 - 11/08/10 02:16 PM (13 years, 5 months ago) |
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Pistils this early would be a surprise. Give it a few more weeks at least.
It's such a small amount, it's hard to tell if it's burning or something else like, N-def. Even if it is burning, that much isn't a problem; I actually aim for that some of the time, once my plants get a bit older, so I know what their limits are. I try to feed just enough to keep them from burning, but a little here and there is fine.
Good call on the Micro, too. maryanne knows what's up.
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Re: First time grower, Single plant. Could use some experienced eyes [Re: God]
#496438 - 11/08/10 06:02 PM (13 years, 5 months ago) |
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yeah use the dull side of foil,hp lets plants absorb more oxygen and is a great fungicide,go to www.using-hydrogen peroxide.com
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Re: First time grower, Single plant. Could use some experienced eyes [Re: jkell]
#496459 - 11/08/10 06:41 PM (13 years, 5 months ago) |
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The back of the Floragro bottle says to go from 1tsp to 3tsp per gallon, so thats where I got that from.
Thanks for the reply man I got some of that Microgro and added it together with the floragro and fed her hopefully she perks up then because she's looking a little wilty/sickly
The bottle listing 1tsp and 3tsp per gal is just a guideline. This is to go from seedling to strong vegetative growth for example. You should increase your PPM gradually. For what it's worth I grow trees with 750 PPM nutrient solution which is the equivalent of 6 ml of each grow micro and bloom, or 6 ml micro 9 ml bloom. I checked the run off of a couple of plants I had been feeding 1100-1300ppm nutrient solution and the run off was very high so I think I'm going to stick to my less is more strategy.
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Re: First time grower, Single plant. Could use some experienced eyes [Re: maryanne3087]
#496489 - 11/08/10 08:16 PM (13 years, 5 months ago) |
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I don't have a ppm meter at the moment it in the mail and should be here sometimes this week.
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Re: First time grower, Single plant. Could use some experienced eyes [Re: jkell]
#496539 - 11/09/10 01:15 AM (13 years, 5 months ago) |
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Regardless of having a PPM meter or not, you shouldn't increase feeding dose rapidly IMO.
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Re: First time grower, Single plant. Could use some experienced eyes [Re: maryanne3087]
#496543 - 11/09/10 01:50 AM (13 years, 5 months ago) |
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Alright I'll remember that for next time, Luckily it appears that the plant loved the higher dose of nutes and the addition of the Micro it definitely perked up a bit.
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Re: First time grower, Single plant. Could use some experienced eyes [Re: jkell]
#496594 - 11/09/10 11:08 AM (13 years, 5 months ago) |
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I felt the same way slamming my plants with higher concentrations but then I got deficiencies and high EC run off. Your results may vary but I don't see a difference feeding lower EC other than less problems and using less nutrients.
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Re: First time grower, Single plant. Could use some experienced eyes [Re: maryanne3087]
#496596 - 11/09/10 11:16 AM (13 years, 5 months ago) |
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I'm pretty baked right now EC means...?
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Re: First time grower, Single plant. Could use some experienced eyes [Re: jkell]
#496621 - 11/09/10 01:33 PM (13 years, 5 months ago) |
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EC = electric conductivity
It's a measure of nutrient concentration less that doesn't get confused with conversions like TDS and PPM where people don't include the conversion factor they use which results in very inaccurate readings. For example some people use .64 which would make 1EC 640 PPM, .5 for TDS which makes 1EC 500 TDS, or .7 which would make 700PPM. Most people report TDS as .5 but EC seems to vary between .64 and .7 commonly and .5 not as commonly.
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Re: First time grower, Single plant. Could use some experienced eyes [Re: maryanne3087]
#496637 - 11/09/10 02:08 PM (13 years, 5 months ago) |
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Update:
Looks like my plant had toxic salt buildups as i had the "Claw" effect on almost all my leaves with slight discoloration, I think it locked the nutes out, so I gave it a flush with a gallon of distilled pure water and I'll leave it for the night, hopefully it unclaws itself by tomorrow.
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Re: First time grower, Single plant. Could use some experienced eyes [Re: jkell]
#496869 - 11/10/10 03:03 PM (13 years, 5 months ago) |
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Any update on the clawing situation? When it's time to water again next, feed it what you were originally feeding. Then, each time you feed after that, step it up a bit. So if you're starting with 1 tsp/gal, go up to 1.5 tsp and make sure the plant can handle it before moving up some more.
If 3 tsp is for plants in strong vegetative growth, it's too much for a seedling like yours, it needs a few more weeks for that. 2 tsp/gal should be plenty for now, and you might need less if you're feeding micro too (which you should be). Just take things slow, experiment, and see how she likes it. Like a first date!
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Re: First time grower, Single plant. Could use some experienced eyes [Re: God]
#496957 - 11/10/10 08:40 PM (13 years, 5 months ago) |
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Hey God, nothing really so far. they aren't looking great but they're hanging in there. Im trying to hold off a little bit on the water and feeding until I get my ph adjuster, ph tested, and ppm tester in the mail so i can get this back on track. Becuase unfortunately I think the flushes I was doing might have been doing more harm than good because i flush with Distilled drinking water (In 1 gal jugs) and aren't those adjusted to a 7 ph usually?
Keep posting away guys. I'll try to get some new pics up soon
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Re: First time grower, Single plant. Could use some experienced eyes [Re: jkell]
#496990 - 11/10/10 09:34 PM (13 years, 5 months ago) |
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Alright guys got my ppm meter and tested my "aggressive veg mix" and it was 995 ppm. wow so anyways what strength do you guys think i should mix up for my plant?
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Re: First time grower, Single plant. Could use some experienced eyes [Re: jkell]
#496994 - 11/10/10 09:39 PM (13 years, 5 months ago) |
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pH is so important. You have been feeding it this whole time not knowing the pH or your water?
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Re: First time grower, Single plant. Could use some experienced eyes [Re: muse42]
#497003 - 11/10/10 10:22 PM (13 years, 5 months ago) |
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Yeah It should arrive tomorrow thought I was gonna have it earlier but w/e and from what I've read Ph isn't hugely important for getting seedlings going anyways
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Re: First time grower, Single plant. Could use some experienced eyes [Re: jkell]
#497062 - 11/11/10 09:24 AM (13 years, 5 months ago) |
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Got a bad feeling about this guys she's looking sickly I hope she makes it. Also looks like I might have a little insect problem on my hands. I'll be posting pics later today.
And mold problem
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Re: First time grower, Single plant. Could use some experienced eyes [Re: jkell]
#497640 - 11/13/10 10:30 AM (13 years, 5 months ago) |
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great pics 
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Re: First time grower, Single plant. Could use some experienced eyes [Re: doublehelix]
#497852 - 11/13/10 10:03 PM (13 years, 5 months ago) |
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Alright update time:
Finally got my ph and ppm testers got ph to just under 6 and the ppm is about 350ppm right now. I also topped the plant about 4 days ago. I think she just recovered from the topping and the ph balance definitly helped her also because I think her grow was stunted for probably a week. Anyways heres some pics.
       
Sorry if theres some doubles Idk what happened when uploading.
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Re: First time grower, Single plant. Could use some experienced eyes [Re: jkell]
#498751 - 11/17/10 01:06 AM (13 years, 5 months ago) |
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Hey guys plants looking really good and healthy now and its exploding with growth. I think its because the nutrients were locked out because of the ph imbalance and so the roots really went searching for food, now thats its there and they can use it, shits blowin up. Pics tomorrow
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Re: First time grower, Single plant. Could use some experienced eyes [Re: jkell]
#498851 - 11/17/10 02:11 PM (13 years, 5 months ago) |
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That's awesome to hear. Nice job.
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Re: First time grower, Single plant and now seedling. Updated 11/17/2010 [Re: God]
#498923 - 11/17/10 06:44 PM (13 years, 5 months ago) |
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Hey thanks God, got some pics as promised. Also got another seedling started. Fingers crossed for a milf
Hey God, or anyone else that reads this, would you suggest cutting off the leafs that have purple stems, theres a couple a little lower down that got purple stems during my beginning learners curve? The leaf still looks healthy and green for the most part. Come on guys gimme your 
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Re: First time grower, Single plant and now seedling. Updated 11/17/2010 [Re: jkell]
#498961 - 11/17/10 08:54 PM (13 years, 5 months ago) |
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Looking much much better! No, don't cut any leaves off. If the plant doesn't want them anymore, it will pull all of the nutrients/other goodies out of the leaf before shedding it. So removing leaves unnecessarily not only takes away potential energy through the loss of some "solar panels," it also removes already existing energy that the plant has put work into producing.
As the plant matures, it will naturally lose some of its lower fan leaves. Leaves are ready to be removed when they have yellowed significantly and come off the plant easily when you push down gently on the petiole. If you have to tug or put much force at all into it, just leave it and try again later.
Purple stems are generally nothing to worry about when your plant looks as healthy as yours does. It's probably just a phenotypical thing.
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muse42
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Re: First time grower, Single plant and now seedling. Updated 11/17/2010 [Re: God]
#499992 - 11/21/10 08:05 PM (13 years, 5 months ago) |
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Great to hear. I can't wait to see them flower.
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Goombah
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 Re: First time grower, Single plant and now seedling. Updated 11/17/2010 [Re: jkell]
#499993 - 11/21/10 08:07 PM (13 years, 5 months ago) |
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Looking much better! Keep us updated.
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