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InvisibleGod
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Blackstrap vs. First/Second Molasses (Harry?)
    #489209 - 10/18/10 07:16 PM (6 years, 1 month ago)

I've always heard that blackstrap molasses is the best bet for cannabis.  However, I was searching around to find out if they have it at Walmart (they don't) and I found a lot of talk about Grandma's Molasses being used instead.  It doesn't seem to be blackstrap, but many people swear by it.

I understand the difference between blackstrap, first, and second molasses as far as how it's made, but not as far as what would be most useful for cannabis.  This excerpt from wiki suggests to me that blackstrap is the best:

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The calorie content of blackstrap molasses is still mostly from the small remaining sugar content. However, unlike refined sugars, it contains significant amounts of vitamins and minerals. Blackstrap molasses is a source of calcium, magnesium, potassium, and iron



I'm going to get some blackstrap, but I'd like your thoughts on if first or second is as effective.


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Re: Blackstrap vs. First/Second Molasses (Harry?) [Re: God]
    #489228 - 10/18/10 08:27 PM (6 years, 1 month ago)

I too had trouble finding blackstrap, so I tried the Grandma's.. I couldn't notice any kind of difference whatsoever. Think I'm just gonna order it online once I'm ready to flower.


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Re: Blackstrap vs. First/Second Molasses (Harry?) [Re: DieselB]
    #489253 - 10/18/10 10:07 PM (6 years, 1 month ago)

you can get Real Organic Blackstrap at any Health food / organic / co-op type place. they just don't sell it at most grocery stores because people don't buy it much


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Re: Blackstrap vs. First/Second Molasses (Harry?) [Re: Shrew]
    #489256 - 10/18/10 10:43 PM (6 years, 1 month ago)

Yup. Any organic/natural food stores will carry it. I picked mine up for 3-4 dollars.

Now the last time I was at the hydro store one of the owners tried telling me that it takes upwards to a month for the molasses to break down in the soil and become benefitial to the plant.

Anyone heard anything like this?


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Re: Blackstrap vs. First/Second Molasses (Harry?) [Re: Farmer Joe]
    #489368 - 10/19/10 04:18 AM (6 years, 1 month ago)

break down??  maybe some nutes but the sugar is instant. maybe it lasts a month before bacteria eat it all up.


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Re: Blackstrap vs. First/Second Molasses (Harry?) [Re: the man]
    #489377 - 10/19/10 07:28 AM (6 years, 1 month ago)

I can get blackstrap, so I'm going to do that.  I was more just wanting to know about what's going on down in the root zone, why blackstrap is better/worse than other options, etc.  We don't have much discussion on the topic of molasses on these boards, and I notice even Google doesn't turn up much useful talk on the difference between the two from a cannabis perspective.


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Re: Blackstrap vs. First/Second Molasses (Harry?) [Re: the man]
    #489407 - 10/19/10 09:55 AM (6 years, 1 month ago)

Yeah that sounds more accurate


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Re: Blackstrap vs. First/Second Molasses (Harry?) [Re: God]
    #489410 - 10/19/10 10:03 AM (6 years, 1 month ago)

I've actually never used blackstrap just because I already had like 5 jars of regular extra dark molasses sitting around. I think the only reason blackstrap would be better is because the sugars are potentialls more complex since they don't refine it, and because it's slightly higher in Mg, and K


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Re: Blackstrap vs. First/Second Molasses (Harry?) [Re: Harry_Ba11sach]
    #489421 - 10/19/10 11:34 AM (6 years, 1 month ago)

I use Grandmas. Seems to do what its supposed to. It certainly doubles to tripples the smell...can't say on the flavor, as I don't have any grows of the same strain not using it to compare to. But the smell is noticeably stronger within 24 hours of feeding it.


Oh, and for what its worth, I only used that particular brand because I found it in my spice cabinet  :2cents:


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Re: Blackstrap vs. First/Second Molasses (Harry?) [Re: RasJeph]
    #489431 - 10/19/10 12:27 PM (6 years, 1 month ago)

Howmuch are you guys feeding per gallon for hydro growing?


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Re: Blackstrap vs. First/Second Molasses (Harry?) [Re: Harry_Ba11sach]
    #489501 - 10/19/10 06:30 PM (6 years, 1 month ago)

Thanks Harry and RasJeph, that's what I was looking for.
Sounds like I'm going to have to refill my carbon filter before this!


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Re: Blackstrap vs. First/Second Molasses (Harry?) [Re: Jeff Funk]
    #489604 - 10/19/10 11:18 PM (6 years, 1 month ago)

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Jeff Funk said:
Howmuch are you guys feeding per gallon for hydro growing?




Think its about a Tbs a gallon. maybe try less see how it affects yoru shiz. :smile:


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Re: Blackstrap vs. First/Second Molasses (Harry?) [Re: the man]
    #489618 - 10/20/10 12:28 AM (6 years, 1 month ago)

Yeah, I've seen between 1 tsp and 1 tbs per gallon suggested.


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Re: Blackstrap vs. First/Second Molasses (Harry?) [Re: God]
    #489731 - 10/20/10 01:29 PM (6 years, 1 month ago)

A tablespoon sounds like a lot to me. Especially for hydro. I sometimes add a tablespoon per gal to teas but then dilute before feeding with it.

A tsp per gal is plenty in my opinion.


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Re: Blackstrap vs. First/Second Molasses (Harry?) [Re: maryanne3087]
    #489736 - 10/20/10 01:39 PM (6 years, 1 month ago)

do you guys think MADHAVA's Agave Nectar would do the same. it is a natural un processed sweetener witch gives the promise that it will not crystallize. has the same amount of sugar but none of the extras like the 1 u guys are raving about.


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Re: Blackstrap vs. First/Second Molasses (Harry?) [Re: maryanne3087]
    #489737 - 10/20/10 01:43 PM (6 years, 1 month ago)

I know someone who keeps bees and he gives me tons of pure honey. If the main thing in the blackstrap is unrefined sugar, would pure honey work as well?


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Re: Blackstrap vs. First/Second Molasses (Harry?) [Re: Amnesiac]
    #489742 - 10/20/10 01:49 PM (6 years, 1 month ago)

if you got it from a bee keeper id think it would be unrefined sugar. or natural sugar as it is.


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Re: Blackstrap vs. First/Second Molasses (Harry?) [Re: lostinbq]
    #489743 - 10/20/10 01:50 PM (6 years, 1 month ago)

my only concern is during the summer it would attract all kinds of bugs using sugar based stuff.


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Re: Blackstrap vs. First/Second Molasses (Harry?) [Re: maryanne3087]
    #489747 - 10/20/10 01:53 PM (6 years, 1 month ago)

Quote:

maryanne3087 said:
A tablespoon sounds like a lot to me. Especially for hydro. I sometimes add a tablespoon per gal to teas but then dilute before feeding with it.

A tsp per gal is plenty in my opinion.




I've gone as high as two or three tablespoons per gallon without any ill effects, but that was in hempy buckets which technically speaking is hydro, but isn't probably the kind of hydro you're talking about.


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Re: Blackstrap vs. First/Second Molasses (Harry?) [Re: lostinbq]
    #489752 - 10/20/10 02:18 PM (6 years, 1 month ago)

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lostinbq said:
do you guys think MADHAVA's Agave Nectar would do the same. it is a natural un processed sweetener witch gives the promise that it will not crystallize. has the same amount of sugar but none of the extras like the 1 u guys are raving about.




What extras are you talking about? Nutrional value + vitamins?

Quote:

Agave Nectar is also a good source of calcium, iron, phosphorus, magnesium, potassium, vitamins B, C, D, E, zinc, selenium and chromium




http://www.organicagavesyrup.com/organic-agave-nectar.html


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