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    #465831 - 08/23/10 11:44 AM (13 years, 7 months ago)

I was doing some reading on co2 around this forum..

I have used tanked co2 for years and it is lovely. Many posts say 30% increase.. Magash always says "why do you think all the breeders switched?"

not 30%... your plants can grow 250% what they do otherwise.

1500ppm co2, 92degrees, 47% rH Invest in a NICE controller. Have MULTIPLE thermo/hygrometers in differnt places high and low

co2 has to be dialed into a science!

Breeders go with mass airflow cause it is much easier to prevent disease and other problems. They are not going for yield and quality.. They are looking at 50000 plants all naturally seeking certain traits over generations. I can understand how magash likes mass airflow too.. The rooms are making clones, way different than a commercial indoor flowering room.

I just hate to see so many people turned off just cause they didnt dial it in. With co2 you will definitely outgrow any mass airflow system if done right.

Check out this link for some good info showing a graph of growth rate with different co2 enrichment levels.
co2 enrichment graph and info

Not trying to bash magash hes a good mod... Just hate to see so many people turn away so quickly.

Thanks and remember to stay on the chicken biscuits.

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Re: co2 gotta call out a mod [Re: chickenbiscuits]
    #465837 - 08/23/10 11:56 AM (13 years, 7 months ago)

also some other old turnoffs ive read for the co2 is not having the l/sq ft

first of all w/sq ft barely means jack.. i dont know why everyone on here talks in w/sq ft go by the Lumens. Theres so many different lumen ratings hps/mh/cfl now theres high output hps that throws out 95000 lumens on a 600w. A bottom of the line 1000w hps throws out 107000 lumens... Thats almost the same on a 600 as the 1000.

Light Movers are key to co2 is what im really getting at.

Throw a solar revolution on a 6000 l/sq ft grow and it barely puts into an applicable co2 enrichment rate. 6000x 130% = 7800 l/sq ft or what ya really want... 7500 l/sq ft with a good light mover...

7500x130% = 9750 l/sq ft OPTIMAL! co2 enrichment lighting. you can also blend spectrums w revolutions.

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Re: co2 gotta call out a mod [Re: chickenbiscuits]
    #465840 - 08/23/10 12:04 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

I dont really have any input on this because im a noob in this area but Im looking forward to some sciency arguments :nerd:


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Re: co2 gotta call out a mod [Re: NobodyImportant]
    #465845 - 08/23/10 12:18 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

in the future please edit you original post, dont double post.
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Re: co2 gotta call out a mod [Re: chickenbiscuits]
    #465866 - 08/23/10 12:47 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

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also some other old turnoffs ive read for the co2 is not having the l/sq ft

first of all w/sq ft barely means jack.. i dont know why everyone on here talks in w/sq ft go by the Lumens. Theres so many different lumen ratings hps/mh/cfl now theres high output hps that throws out 95000 lumens on a 600w. A bottom of the line 1000w hps throws out 107000 lumens... Thats almost the same on a 600 as the 1000.

Light Movers are key to co2 is what im really getting at.

Throw a solar revolution on a 6000 l/sq ft grow and it barely puts into an applicable co2 enrichment rate. 6000x 130% = 7800 l/sq ft or what ya really want... 7500 l/sq ft with a good light mover...

7500x130% = 9750 l/sq ft OPTIMAL! co2 enrichment lighting. you can also blend spectrums w revolutions.





HAHAHAHA LOL.

Lumens are used to measure light output visible to human eyes. This means that the maximum measured output is around 500-550 nanometers (green spectrum).  I think it goes without saying that green is the WORST color of light for plants, and furthermore human eyes only need to see reflected light, whereas activating photosynthesis in chloroplasts requires penetration intensity necessary for conversion from photo energy to chemical energy.

I disagree with you on CO2 as well but I don't have enough time now to rebuke you.

In the future I would highly recommend you do some research before posting such claims. We have numerous highly intelligent posters here and blatant incorrect assertions will be disputed.


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Re: co2 gotta call out a mod [Re: Harry_Ba11sach]
    #465871 - 08/23/10 12:51 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

I'm a new grower and I just turned on my Co2 Boost. What a difference it has made. Plants are growing out of control. big believer in CO2.


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Re: co2 gotta call out a mod [Re: starrider]
    #465885 - 08/23/10 01:04 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

after reviewing my posts... im pretty sure that they are "blatantly" correct. i have researched and experimented with co2 for years and theres no doubt in my mind it will outgrow mass airflow.

as for the lumens thing... Maybe l/sq ft isnt the BEST way to measure all that. But it is surely better than all these people using w/sq ft.
Any co2 enrichment guide will tell you that you need more light. Typically between 7500-10000 L/sq ft.

Im not sure what exactly your argument is harry... i wish you had more time. Have you even used co2 correctly before?

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Re: co2 gotta call out a mod [Re: chickenbiscuits]
    #465894 - 08/23/10 01:12 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

you're contradicting yourself. You're saying that you need MORE light, but that people should use a light mover. Light movers are used to get even coverage when you can't afford to increase the amount of light. Example, I would use a 1000W on a rail over a 4x6 space if I couldn't afford 2 x 600W lights or 2 x 1000W.

And I will repeat; lumens are the WORST measurement for plant growth. They require intensity and penetration power, both of which can be at least somewhat gaged by using watts.


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Re: co2 gotta call out a mod [Re: Harry_Ba11sach]
    #465913 - 08/23/10 01:41 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

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Re: co2 gotta call out a mod [Re: Harry_Ba11sach]
    #465923 - 08/23/10 01:57 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

light movers are used for much more than just spreading a light out. as a matter of fact i use the same space with a light mover as i would without.

The main things I use a light mover for are for preventing hotspots, shadow shifting, and to create an evenly penetrated canopy. a light mover will get all inside and promote the most even growth possible, although between training and pruning you shouldnt have too much on the inside anyway.

I could also make a bold claim about light movers. You will definitely achieve a more even canopy using them. An even canopy is key to optimal results. without a light mover the only way to get even growth is to be rotating your plants all the time. Then you still have hotspots and some shadow shifting.


Maybe lumens is a bad way to measure what you need, but i couldnt say that is was worse than using w/sq ft. The fact remains, most professional growers will use l/sq ft far before W. The majority of good teks will recommend light requirements in l/sq ft.

I just dont understand why everyone on here uses w/sq ft when there are SO MANY variables as to how much light one light will produce than another.

Really though im not here to argue between Lumens and Watts. Thats a whole different subject I shouldve just stuck with the original post. WHY IS EVERYONE TRYING TO TURN ALL THESE NOOBS OFF CO2???? I want to see some evidence for a good ventilation system.

For example OG Kush... one of the most sought after strains out here in cali. Its not known to be a high yielding strain. ill use some watt figures for you.

The best ventilation system ive seen w OG would be blessed and lucky if they 1g/w on og... usually 1/2g/w

Co2 done RIGHT.... ive seen OG from the same mother do close to 1.5g/w

From what ive seen you'd have one of the best in the world to make OG do that with 300ppm co2 in the room.

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Re: co2 gotta call out a mod [Re: chickenbiscuits]
    #465937 - 08/23/10 02:09 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

250% increase of yield by raising temps and co2?

I don't even see how this is possible, when to achieve optimal yields your plants need to be densely packed or your canopy has to be thick and full.

How will one fit 250% more plant material under the same amount of floorspace?

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Re: co2 gotta call out a mod [Re: maryanne3087]
    #465944 - 08/23/10 02:23 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

there are many things figured into this 250% some people even say 300%.

One of the main things is that your veg time is cut down. You will achieve your desired plant size to switch to flowering sometimes twice as fast. Your buds will develop bigger and denser as well. These combined with other factors can increase your farms overall productivity to these figures. Although YOU may not see this drastic of a difference, theres no doubt in my mind that, if done right, you WILL see a LARGE difference.

There are many reasons all this happens. Alot of it is to do with the plant being able to thrive in a higher temperature... I dont recall the EXACT figure but as temperature increases the more water air can hold.

For example you could have the exact same amount of water in the air in two different rooms one room is 85 one room is 95

The room thats 95 will have a much lower rH because the air can hold more water.

When there is this excess water in the air EVERYTHING happens faster. from photosynthesis to how fast the roots get oxygen.

I seem to remember that figure being...


For every 20 degrees of temperature rise the air can hold twice as much water.... dont quote me on that though.


Ive even seen high yielding strains like chronic yield over 3g/w on co2 enrichment systems.

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Re: co2 gotta call out a mod [Re: chickenbiscuits]
    #465946 - 08/23/10 02:31 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

I find it hard to believe that any strain can yield 3gram/watt esp when 1gram/watt fills the canopy with dense rockhard nugs. Is this a vertical or horizontal system?

I've heard of 2 grams/watt with dialed in vertical systems using a bazillion plants. With a horizontal lighting system I can't see 3gr/watt being remotely possible.

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Re: co2 gotta call out a mod [Re: chickenbiscuits]
    #465947 - 08/23/10 02:33 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

Also i need to note that ALL my experience has been with smaller plant number per sq M than alot of you are used to. I have been a prop215 patient in california since 2004 and have ALWAYS done legal grows. Ive never grown hundreds of plant in a room. The veg is long and each plant yields several ounces.

so as far the light movers

SOG methods may not see the same results ive seen with the larger plants over the years. you may be able to create an even canopy w/o rotating or a light mover with these smaller plant methods.

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Re: co2 gotta call out a mod [Re: maryanne3087]
    #465948 - 08/23/10 02:36 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

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I find it hard to believe that any strain can yield 3gram/watt esp when 1gram/watt fills the canopy with dense rockhard nugs. Is this a vertical or horizontal system?

I've heard of 2 grams/watt with dialed in vertical systems using a bazillion plants. With a horizontal lighting system I can't see 3gr/watt being remotely possible.




well it is...

you have to have it dialed in exactly for sure. but 3g/w is totally possible although those strains are never that premium quality. Which is the only thing i grow.

I have seen these results, but have never achieved 3g/w myself...

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Re: co2 gotta call out a mod [Re: chickenbiscuits]
    #466012 - 08/23/10 05:14 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

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When there is this excess water in the air EVERYTHING happens faster. from photosynthesis to how fast the roots get oxygen.






Oh jesus lordy christ, please explain yourself.

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I shouldve just stuck with the original post. WHY IS EVERYONE TRYING TO TURN ALL THESE NOOBS OFF CO2????





Because noobs have enough to worry about without trying to balance CO2 production, A/C units and Dehumidifiers (all of which are necessary to run CO2 in a closed room). They have a hard enough time choosing between soil and hydro let along trying to figure out if they want tanks and solenoids or steady-stream propane burners. I think that's pretty much common sense :flowstone:


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Re: co2 gotta call out a mod [Re: Harry_Ba11sach]
    #466071 - 08/23/10 07:45 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

a room with no co2 enrichment will usually sit 40%rH at the high range alotta guys like 25% even... co2 enriched 10deg rise in temp creates an atmosphere that will hold 50% more water then the rise in rH to 50% on top of that.

assume thats true.. and that water is 1/3 oxygen...

there are only two ways cannabis roots absorb oxygen which is key in their role. air and water. so with the temp rise and the rH your giving the roots at least 60% more oxygen in the same time.

This is one of many factors.


EVERYTHING happens faster. you use twice as much water, nutrients, water in the air. and surely more light though not double.

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Re: co2 gotta call out a mod [Re: chickenbiscuits]
    #466088 - 08/23/10 08:08 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

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a room with no co2 enrichment will usually sit 40%rH at the high range alotta guys like 25% even... co2 enriched 10deg rise in temp creates an atmosphere that will hold 50% more water then the rise in rH to 50% on top of that.

assume thats true.. and that water is 1/3 oxygen...

there are only two ways cannabis roots absorb oxygen which is key in their role. air and water. so with the temp rise and the rH your giving the roots at least 60% more oxygen in the same time.

This is one of many factors.


EVERYTHING happens faster. you use twice as much water, nutrients, water in the air. and surely more light though not double.




You've never taken chemistry have you? Yes water could be considered 1/3rd oxygen if you're simply going by the number of parts, but count the fact that oxygen weights 16 to 18 times more than hydrogen and you'll clearly see that's an absurd comment. SECONDLY, roots need O2 GAS, Not oxygen bonded into other molecules. By your logic I could just grow my roots in pure maple syrup because sugar is C6H12O6, so it must be 1/3 oxygen right? :facepalm:

A room with no CO2 enrichment will sit at whatever RH the ventilation and environment dictate. That EXACT SAME room with CO2 enrichment will sit at the EXACT SAME RH. My point here is that CO2 levels in no way influence the humidity.

THE ONLY part of your post that you were correct is that warmer air holds more humidity than cooler air.  I'm extremely dismayed that you're trying to persuade others to follow you like sheep when it's painfully obvious that you lack even the most rudimentary understanding of the concepts you so willingly defend.


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Re: co2 gotta call out a mod [Re: Harry_Ba11sach]
    #466090 - 08/23/10 08:10 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

you just dont get it man.. your all in the box

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Re: co2 gotta call out a mod [Re: chickenbiscuits]
    #466091 - 08/23/10 08:12 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

By all means, please use your bountiful scientific knowledge to point out where I'm wrong in that post


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Re: co2 gotta call out a mod [Re: chickenbiscuits]
    #466104 - 08/23/10 08:29 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

This guy must be fucking high.

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Re: co2 gotta call out a mod [Re: DungenessDank]
    #466139 - 08/23/10 09:29 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

ya got me on the hydrogen being lighter than oxygen.. but that doesnt change my point either. its just not 1/3 the weight..

Im definitely no chemist and maybe im over extending myself getting into all this stuff about oxygen, this post is about co2. but i do know how to grow weed. well. through experimentation not through a bunch of info learned through message boards.

The BIG POINT TO ALL THIS... Is that all these people on here telling you guys co2 isnt worth it... is bullshit.

Sure it costs a lot to get into and you have to have it dialed in. but if you dont have your indoor dialed in your wasting your time. I would never be satisfied with.3 or .4g/w or even the 1/2 that so many seem to shoot for.


co2 levels may not have to do with rH. but a standard grow book or tek for mass airflow will recommend 40%rH or lower. co2 enrichment 45-55%. Im not getting too into science i dont know(like youve already proven i shouldnt), but thats tried and true info in my book.

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    #466141 - 08/23/10 09:36 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

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ya got me on the hydrogen being lighter than oxygen.. but that doesnt change my point either. its just not 1/3 the weight..






It absolutely does change your point. Just because there's oxygen in water doesn't mean that the roots can utilize it as oxygen, that's simply NOT the way chemistry works. Think of my maple syrup example. If your roots could pull oxygen off of other molecules then you could literally grow in any substance you want. Why don't you try to grow a plant in a giant tub of water with no aeration and let me know how it works? The ONLY reason people can grow hydro is because the airstones they use provide gaseous oxygen for the roots to utilize, NOT the oxygen from the water.


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Re: co2 gotta call out a mod [Re: chickenbiscuits]
    #466149 - 08/23/10 09:46 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

well you wanted me to stay out of your grow thread so heres my reply to that on here since i know you're following this thread too harry.


quality looks A+

I only grow those strains too. The biggest yielder ill get into is blue dream which still has that connoisseur taste and smell.

75% of the time i grow nothing but OG Kush. Most people are happy with the .5g/w

I like to have nice purple sugary strains too.



Again coming to the point of all this..
These connoisseur strains will be as productive with co2 as a big bud or chronic will on mass airflow. Maybe g/w will be higher on the chronic big bud, but the OG will have half the veg time and definitely hop up there in the 1g/w range even 1.2-3 or you can take something like blue dream and get a higher g/w and a faster veg.

Just overall faster and better.

You've picked out little tidbits of this and that to bash me. but i have seen NO evidence on your behalf that venting is better than co2. and thats what i really want an argument about.



as for oxygen.. im over it. take your throne as being the chemist out of us. If the water never breaks down from absorption to transpiration and is still h20 when transpired to vapor its technically not using the oxygen gas.. OK i get what your saying but lets go back to co2

somebody please prove that co2 isnt worth it...

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Re: co2 gotta call out a mod [Re: Harry_Ba11sach]
    #466184 - 08/23/10 10:15 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

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By your logic I could just grow my roots in pure maple syrup because sugar is C6H12O6, so it must be 1/4 oxygen right? :facepalm:




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Why don't you try to grow a plant in a giant tub of water with no aeration and let me know how it works?




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Re: co2 gotta call out a mod [Re: ChillWillis]
    #466304 - 08/23/10 11:52 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

I grow the same way by testing and I so know this the numbers you claim that co2 gives you I'm already getting. There are more then enough pics of my garden to prove that. I realize you have been growing since 2004 and all that cute stuff but I've been at it since 1985.

Oh and by the way your way off about the breeders using most of their space for seeds. I know for a fact that Arjin, Soma, Serious Seeds, THSeeds, use the majority of their grow space for bulk bud grows. A major chunk of these guys business is supplying the coffee houses for the 2 million plus tourist that flock to them each year.

Does co2 help plants grow faster? Yes it does. 250% faster I'll believe that crap when I see it. Having co2 added was not worth the added ac, having the garden closed so now I have to remove the moisture and all the other added crap.

Now as far as yields that everybody claims from co2 once again I haven't seen it. I'll be willing to put my results with my garden up against anybody's on this planet. strain per strain :potleaf:


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    #466343 - 08/24/10 12:40 AM (13 years, 7 months ago)

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Re: co2 gotta call out a mod [Re: Magash]
    #466387 - 08/24/10 07:09 AM (13 years, 7 months ago)

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I'll be willing to put my results with my garden up against anybody's on this planet. strain per strain :potleaf:





I know someone who says just that all the time. He grows shiskaberry and has the best gram per kilowatt hour yields I've seen yet.

Do you grow any hazes? I'd do a "side by side" grow with someone if it was a haze hybrid grow off.

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Re: co2 gotta call out a mod [Re: maryanne3087]
    #466405 - 08/24/10 08:05 AM (13 years, 7 months ago)

Thanks Magash. Thats more the type of argument im trying to see. Harry isnt on the level. Im not trying to get into all this nitty gritty about the little details. This is about co2 being better or not.

Im not claiming to be an expert.. Like i said ive only been at this for 6 years. but ive seen a lot in that time.

As for amsterdam... Ive been there twice, ive met DNA guys, and Thseeds guys. They both play a part of my garden this year. Im trying out one of DNA's skunk train crosses (OG18xskunk #1) and Im growing THSeeds Heavy Duty Fruity and Mendo Madness. HDF is pretty shitty for a light dep and I can only hope the outdoor does better. Its got a lemon citrusy smell and big nugs.. but they're kinda larfy and not that great. Mendo Madness is great for cali outdoor or light dep. Big buddha cheese is my favorite seed i have this year though.

Amsterdam though.... 95% of their product SUCKS! Cali is killin them over there. I dont know what kinda dumb shit they're doing, but ive been to many coffee shops, bulldog, rock it, blue sky, Ben's and a whole lotta little hole in the wall ones. Its all larfy commercial crap. The dispensaries here are all doing way better. sure now and then there's a good batch of chocolope from aaron at dna or a good batch of the amnesia haze everyone over there was freaking out on over there last time i was there... but cali you find at least a few good quality buds in ALMOST every dispensary.

As for the 250% stat. Thats basically stolen right off the hydrofarm graph in the original post. I couldnt tell you the exact percentage my experience has been but its definitely a lot, and maybe even twice as fast. Like i said before this is a compiled number of all the figures. Faster veg time, more flower production. Personally ive never seen OG hit 1g/w without co2. Since you've been growing since 85 and you make clones for clubs.. I can only assume you've dabbled in the OG.

Now before i go any further... im not talking about OG kush platinum(doesnt have that killer knock spice into your veins smell) or og skunk or 18 or any of that. Just that original Unmistakable spicy og. Have you seen 1g/w with strain and no co2? Not to mention a veg time only sitting around 3 weeks for 6ounce plants?

Ive seen co2 veg a plant faster indoors than any setup without.. Personally I dont think A/C is really that big of an issue either. The best way to go about it is to air cool your lights with a water cooling coil. Maybe this isnt common information but i know magash is into the mushrooms too. so...

I know that you know a little more about building ventilation systems from scratch than most around the growery. Paul Stamets writes a good pictoral in one of his books about putting your own cooling and heating coil in your own system. Always incorporating HEPA's of course, but i do that w the pot too!

So you recirculate the air pulled in through your lights through a series of a few cold water coils and put the outake next to your a/c intake for the final cooling. You dont need the $1000 air conditioner they're trying to sell you at the hydrostore. Just go to wally world and buy a mid-class(or bigger if you have a big room) window unit!!! You cant use the portable ac units.. get the window one. It really doesnt take that much extra juice to maintain a temp near 95.

Again these are all experiences in a different place than many of you are used to. I only grow indoors in the winter so the room is constantly cooling from the cool temperatures. I also exchange the air every 3hrs which will bring the temp back down. Most people keep a "sealed" room which is rated to exchange air through leaks every 3hrs. Well my rooms are literally 100% sealed so i exchange air every 3 timed to have my controller bring back up the co2 ppm as soon as the exchange is done.

The cali outdoor/blackout season is way better than indoor could dream of being imho. The sun produces the best bud and its FREE! Sounds like magash has got a different game goin on with the club thing...

As for Harry, i think you'd argue with the majority of cali growers about half the shit they say. I bet you'd call me blatantly wrong to say that 10-15lbs/plant happens out here all the time too...! but what is blatant to me, is that you are book smart about the shit but are lacking mere experience.

So please Magash tell me you've seen the original Og Kush pump 1g/w with no co2...?

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    #466416 - 08/24/10 08:26 AM (13 years, 7 months ago)

Eh. I just don't see it being worth running the extra equipment when good ventilation will also get you all the the CO2 you really need.

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    #466448 - 08/24/10 09:25 AM (13 years, 7 months ago)

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As for Harry, i think you'd argue with the majority of cali growers about half the shit they say.





Only if the shit they say is half as wrong as all the bullshit YOU say.

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but what is blatant to me, is that you are book smart about the shit but are lacking mere experience.





I've been growing longer than you have my boy :facepalm:  In addition to that, I don't just run silly stoner experiments and see what gets me higher, I do large scale government-grant funded research projects in professional university greenhouses.  I bet I messed with more variables just last year than you have in your entire life.

You'll notice that I'm only arguing with you here on the stuff you're WRONG about. You seem to think that I'm just nitpicking your posts, but really I'm only picking on the shit you claim that's wildly incorrect. Sure, CO2 will help plants grow faster, that's common knowledge. You'll notice that nowhere in here did I say a thing about CO2 being bad for plants :flowstone:
The only time I've gone against your silly, borderline homo-erotic obsession with CO2 is in this post, and I think it's still a rather valid point, having nothing to do with CO2, but rather the fact that you seem to think people should recommend it to absolute beginners, which in my opinion is just downright stupid.

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When there is this excess water in the air EVERYTHING happens faster. from photosynthesis to how fast the roots get oxygen.






Oh jesus lordy christ, please explain yourself.

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I shouldve just stuck with the original post. WHY IS EVERYONE TRYING TO TURN ALL THESE NOOBS OFF CO2????





Because noobs have enough to worry about without trying to balance CO2 production, A/C units and Dehumidifiers (all of which are necessary to run CO2 in a closed room). They have a hard enough time choosing between soil and hydro let along trying to figure out if they want tanks and solenoids or steady-stream propane burners. I think that's pretty much common sense :flowstone:




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    #466455 - 08/24/10 09:33 AM (13 years, 7 months ago)

I can grow better than anyone heer. :retawed:


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    #466457 - 08/24/10 09:38 AM (13 years, 7 months ago)

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    #466468 - 08/24/10 09:45 AM (13 years, 7 months ago)

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    #466518 - 08/24/10 11:28 AM (13 years, 7 months ago)

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As for Harry, i think you'd argue with the majority of cali growers about half the shit they say. I bet you'd call me blatantly wrong to say that 10-15lbs/plant happens out here all the time too...! but what is blatant to me, is that you are book smart about the shit but are lacking mere experience.




Welcome to the growery! Cali native here, started growing in LA, then the bay, and done growing in southern Humboldt. I would definitely say that 10 -15 lbs outdoors all the time is bullshit. I've worked with a good amount of people from Humboldt and sure, they'll all no a friend of a friends cousin that grew a 10 lb plant, but I've never seen it. Don"t believe everything you hear. The highest yielding outdoor plants I've seen were like 4 lbs, and they were beast. I doubt you've ever personally seen this (as in been there for harvest and weighed it out at the end). It's mostly folks embellishing shit to boost their ego.

Any who, I've been wanting to try out co2 maself, but that's neither here, nor there. BTW, any pictures of your grows with/ with out co2 enrichment?


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Re: co2 gotta call out a mod [Re: chickenbiscuits]
    #466539 - 08/24/10 12:43 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

I like what ya wrote on the temps and using coils but I gotta tell ya coils are yesterdays news. Check these out.

http://www.bestcoastgrowers.com/fresca-general/water-cooled-grow-lights.html

Yup I've played with OGKush and I'm just gonna come out and say it. If it isn't original OGKush it OGKush period. None of that knock-offs come close to the original.



So please Magash tell me you've seen the original Og Kush pump 1g/w with no co2...?  Depends on how it's grown. Grow it in a SOG and those results are fairly easy to achieve. Remember OGKush does not grow in a kush like manner cause it simply has no real kush in it.

Take this strain Sweet 16


Per plant it yields less then OG does and yet when grown right it gives more then a gram per watt. I've pulled a gram per with Erkle, Purple Kush and the Purps all of which yield like the original OG does. Each strain has it's own way it likes to be grown it's just a matter of finding it.

And next time you talk to Adam tell him he's a purple punker. He'll know who it is. :wink:

I've also been growing outdoors in Mendicino for years and nobody has grown a 10-15 lb plant cause if it was done it was back in the early 80s. Nobody is stupid enough to plant in full sunlight (and you ain't getting 10 to 15 without it). Do shit to attract the choppers and your gonna get busted and get your ass beat for drawing them in in the first place.


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    #466614 - 08/24/10 03:07 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

CSB:

There's this old man out in the woods who grows a little weed now and again. One day I was out there smoking up and got on the topic of monster plants. He starts telling my friend and me about how years ago he threw a handful of seeds in this pile of compost up by the road in front of his house and forgot about them until September when he's walking up by the road and sees these twelve foot tall trees sticking up out of the compost pile. Naturally we were skeptical so he says "Hold on a minute, I knew no one would ever believe me." And he digs around and comes up with a Polaroid and sure enough there he is grinning his ass off waving, dwarfed by these monster plants with the road in the background.

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    #466630 - 08/24/10 03:24 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

I've heard a ton of stories like that and a lot of them are true. The problem is in order to get 10 to 15 lbs a plant your talking 30 feet tall (or taller actually) and 7 feet wide. :potleaf:


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Re: co2 gotta call out a mod [Re: Magash]
    #466636 - 08/24/10 03:35 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

Yeah I'm sure.

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Re: co2 gotta call out a mod [Re: Magash]
    #466693 - 08/24/10 05:04 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

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I've heard a ton of stories like that and a lot of them are true. The problem is in order to get 10 to 15 lbs a plant your talking 30 feet tall (or taller actually) and 7 feet wide. :potleaf:





30 ft tall? Taller than 30 ft?

I believe it. I've had 1lb plants that were disgusting big I couldn't imagine having plants that big indoors. I need to move to someplace warm with lots of sun that isn't in the states. Maybe Australia or Italy. My one lb plants are usually 6-7' tall, I'd imagine that they put on girth more so than height unless it's a sativa/haze.

I have friends who claimed to have got 8-10lbs when in Australia, Mexico, Texas. One of my friends who grows out in the southern states claims to get 10lbs frequently but I find it hard to believe as he's always a broke ass. He claims his plants are usually around 20ft, if it were true it wouldn't surprise me if they were way bigger because the guy is an idiot.  I know he grows outdoors but I can't say first hand the scale or the size of his plants.

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Re: co2 gotta call out a mod [Re: Magash]
    #466710 - 08/24/10 05:24 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

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I've heard a ton of stories like that and a lot of them are true. The problem is in order to get 10 to 15 lbs a plant your talking 30 feet tall (or taller actually) and 7 feet wide. :potleaf:




ok definitely not... You guys are making mee wonder if you've really done much real norcal stuff.. Mendo and Humboldt both have kinda short seasons... Theres more to the triangle.

30ft tall... HAHAHAHA Ive seen 13lb plants only 14ft tall, about 17-18ft wide. Trained and pruned. A consistent garden full of them (12 plants yielding more than most 48 plant farms). Ive seen other gardens averaging 7-10 on 48plants... you can grow 7-10 with a febuary start in a big hole by 4/20. To grow over 10 you need to be serious... Super early start.. seed only. Plant into their holes come march with a greenhouse built over and supplemental HPS. You need a hole at least 8-10ft wide for a single plant.


why would you be scared of choppers? This is norcal baby. Grow 12 or 24 10 pounders and if compliance shows up they'll be taking pictures with them and the plant. Script up all the way legit and grow monsters, thats the triangle way. They're all just looking for the mexicans that have 3000 plants in the next canyon over. They dont care about a couple guys with a dozen plants.

And to he who says your a cali grower and havent seen a plant over 4lbs... your f****n up. You should be striving for 5-7/plant AVERAGE! Unless your one of those guys who likes to push the limits and grow 96 or something.

Man i thought all this experience would shoot out something more...?

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    #466713 - 08/24/10 05:26 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

As far as I can see you are trying to start a dick measuring contest.



Just by the way you write I can tell your dick is small.


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    #466716 - 08/24/10 05:30 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

haha i got big meat man. maybe not black big but a good 9".

This isnt some bragging thing for me man.. Im just amazed that you guys are all so out of this info..

Magash is the only one making sense to me out here! Half the growers ive met in all of cali know how to grow 5s... and you guys havent ever even seen or believe in a 4!!!wtf is wrong with the cultivation world online. Maybe you guys are just spending too much timee on these boards and out of your garden..

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THEY PUT PICS OF 7-8s IN THE NEWSPAPER HERE MAN!!

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    #466720 - 08/24/10 05:35 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

Well all I can tell you is that there are several people on this site that know what the fuck they are talking about. I have seen the pictures to back it up. Show me some of your pictures and I will think you have some credibility. A lot of people can talk like the big boys but not a lot of them can prove it.


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    #466725 - 08/24/10 05:39 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

:popcorn:



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Re: co2 gotta call out a mod [Re: chickenbiscuits]
    #466727 - 08/24/10 05:40 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

You're not even arguing anymore, just stating how much better you and everyone you know are at growing.

Go back to your imaginary world and fuck off, you still haven't shown a single picture of any of the things you're boasting about.

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Re: co2 gotta call out a mod [Re: chickenbiscuits]
    #466729 - 08/24/10 05:46 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

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I've heard a ton of stories like that and a lot of them are true. The problem is in order to get 10 to 15 lbs a plant your talking 30 feet tall (or taller actually) and 7 feet wide. :potleaf:




ok definitely not... You guys are making mee wonder if you've really done much real norcal stuff.. Mendo and Humboldt both have kinda short seasons... Theres more to the triangle.

30ft tall... HAHAHAHA Ive seen 13lb plants only 14ft tall, about 17-18ft wide. Trained and pruned.




Do you even actually have a brain in there?  He's obviously giving rough estimates for the size of the plant, not minimum height requirements :facepalm:

Once again, let me show you what greater than a middle school education can do for someone trying to prove a point;

30ft tall x 7 feet wide = ~210 cubic feet of plant

14ft tall x 17 feet wide = ~ 238 cubic feet of plant.

you guys are basically talking about the same size plant.

Oh, and we're still waiting for some pics for you to backup all your claims. I can say that I've grown a 200 gram cola, but until I post the pictures of it nobody has any reason to believe me


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    #466732 - 08/24/10 05:47 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

99%+ of males have penises falling in the area of under 8"
a 9" penis is something like 1 in 8000-10 000 following the same deviation.

Shouldn't you be checking your co2 or something? If it leaks you could plug it with your massive cock.

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    #466757 - 08/24/10 06:08 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

:jointsmile::laugh2:


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    #466763 - 08/24/10 06:15 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

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99%+ of males have penises falling in the area of under 8"
a 9" penis is something like 1 in 8000-10 000 following the same deviation.

Shouldn't you be checking your co2 or something? If it leaks you could plug it with your massive cock.





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    #466770 - 08/24/10 06:24 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

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    #466774 - 08/24/10 06:33 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

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99%+ of males have penises falling in the area of under 8"
a 9" penis is something like 1 in 8000-10 000 following the same deviation.

Shouldn't you be checking your co2 or something? If it leaks you could plug it with your massive cock.





theres no way thats true... maybe 99% of soft male penises

ive never seen a plant over 22ft tall

i dont take any interest posting pics

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    #466779 - 08/24/10 06:40 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

Ok, why worry about the choppers, well most likely cause they aren't run by the state but by the DEA which doesn't recognize medical grows so your script is good to make confetti out of. :shrug:


and by the way I'm in Mendo right now as I write this so I'm wondering if you really have done any Norcal stuff. :potleaf:


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    #466787 - 08/24/10 06:50 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

well im just one up and one over sittin in farnorcal man! y would the dea bust 12 plants?

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    #466788 - 08/24/10 06:51 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

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theres no way thats true... maybe 99% of soft male penises




Are you conflating inches and centimeters or have you never seen a penis?

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    #466806 - 08/24/10 07:28 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

the soft parts a joke man.. but seriously... It just means you've got that midget meat

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    #466821 - 08/24/10 07:55 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

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    #466833 - 08/24/10 08:25 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

hey now... lets not lock the co2 issue here. You guys got me off track.

Im looking for some more professional opinions aside from magash!

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    #466837 - 08/24/10 08:28 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

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99%+ of males have penises falling in the area of under 8"
a 9" penis is something like 1 in 8000-10 000 following the same deviation.

Shouldn't you be checking your co2 or something? If it leaks you could plug it with your massive cock.





theres no way thats true... maybe 99% of soft male penises

ive never seen a plant over 22ft tall

i dont take any interest posting pics




Maybe you see enough penis to be an authority on penis size statistics?

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    #466843 - 08/24/10 08:33 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

alright your the jokester... im off the penis stuff

and nowhere near convinced co2 isnt worth it

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Re: co2 gotta call out a mod [Re: chickenbiscuits]
    #466849 - 08/24/10 08:37 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

So if you only have a $200 to start growing, is CO2 worth it?


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Re: co2 gotta call out a mod [Re: Harry_Ba11sach]
    #466856 - 08/24/10 08:45 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

you got me on that one.

To get a good room goin you need at least a few grand.

I dont think you could do much with 200 and indoor in general. I guess a cabinet with some flouros.....

I smoke over 5lbs a year though, how could i be ok with just a cabinet.

3 weeks ago i had 3 half gallon jars from the light dep.. Big Budddha Cheese, Mendo Madness, and Black Domina. The mendo's gone, cheese gone, i got the main top off the Black D left and thats it. Time to break out 3 new strains for September!

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Re: co2 gotta call out a mod [Re: chickenbiscuits]
    #466860 - 08/24/10 08:50 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

you can do plenty with $200 and a cabinet as long as you're smart about were you spend your money. Nearly every single new grower who comes to this website has less than $500 to spend on supplies, so CO2 is absolutely useless. Which is why I question your sanity when you ask questions like;


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WHY IS EVERYONE TRYING TO TURN ALL THESE NOOBS OFF CO2???? I want to see some evidence for a good ventilation system.






I've called you out on that several times in this thread, and you've still yet to acknowledge that it's a legitimate argument. You're so obsessed with CO2 being the be-all end-all of indoor growing that you're not even sure about what point you're trying to make.


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I shouldve just stuck with the original post. WHY IS EVERYONE TRYING TO TURN ALL THESE NOOBS OFF CO2????





Because noobs have enough to worry about without trying to balance CO2 production, A/C units and Dehumidifiers (all of which are necessary to run CO2 in a closed room). They have a hard enough time choosing between soil and hydro let along trying to figure out if they want tanks and solenoids or steady-stream propane burners. I think that's pretty much common sense :flowstone:




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Re: co2 gotta call out a mod [Re: Harry_Ba11sach]
    #466867 - 08/24/10 08:57 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

well im glad your calling me out on the post and not all the nitty gritty anymore. you know im not a scientist. but i know how to grow damn well, and that, I DO, have to a science.

Im starting to like you a little more harry. Im sensing a little less hostility and a little more insight into this post.


Mainly it was magash's comments in old posts that sparked me up. He was turning lots of people off co2. Although he gets the kinda yields im talking about on those connoisseur strains, most people dont have it that well off. With a little math and the money co2 is an easy way to see better overall productivity.

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Re: co2 gotta call out a mod [Re: Harry_Ba11sach]
    #466869 - 08/24/10 09:01 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

We all know that chickenbiscuit is on crack when he says 250% yield increase, as everyone I know who has dabbled in co2 will say 15% yield increase IF dialed in.

Neville said he used co2 and got a 30% increase in yield.. however the increase was only applicable to leaf mass.

My argument is for installing that AC, Dehumidifier, Co2 tank + regulator/controller you can install another couple of lights with a much more predictable yield increase for far less $$. On a small scale if you have the floorspace adding 2kw light to a 2kw operation is a 100% increase in yield.

250% increase in yield is laughable when you see how full a canopy is to hit a gram a watt or anywhere close. Imagine adding 250% more bud to one of Magash's SoGs which he says are around 1gr/watt.

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    #466870 - 08/24/10 09:01 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

:hug:'s not drugs.


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    #466873 - 08/24/10 09:03 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

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you know im not a scientist. but i know how to grow damn well, and that, I DO, have to a science




You don't understand basic chemistry yet you claim to be a good grower. Interesting.

Growing pot isn't exactly hard, it's the easiest most vigorous and of the most forgiving plants to grow.

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    #466876 - 08/24/10 09:08 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

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I smoke over 5lbs a year though, how could i be ok with just a cabinet.





Hahahah you smoke 6-7+ grams per day?  Somehow I doubt that.

You are so full of BS your eyes are brown.


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Re: co2 gotta call out a mod [Re: chickenbiscuits]
    #466877 - 08/24/10 09:10 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

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well im glad your calling me out on the post and not all the nitty gritty anymore. you know im not a scientist. but i know how to grow damn well, and that, I DO, have to a science.

Im starting to like you a little more harry. Im sensing a little less hostility and a little more insight into this post.


Mainly it was magash's comments in old posts that sparked me up. He was turning lots of people off co2. Although he gets the kinda yields im talking about on those connoisseur strains, most people dont have it that well off. With a little math and the money co2 is an easy way to see better overall productivity.




The nitty gritty is by FAR the most important part. How is anyone supposed to respect your points when you clearly don't have the slightest clue what you're talking about? Someone who says to me that H2O is 1/3rd oxygen and therefore good for the roots as an air source is immediately discounted. It makes you look like a joke, and it makes your points look like the inane ramblings of a homeless man in a subway.

yeah, a 15% increase in leaf mass is a major plus for my gardens productivity :rolleyes:


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Re: co2 gotta call out a mod [Re: Inverted]
    #466882 - 08/24/10 09:13 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

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I smoke over 5lbs a year though, how could i be ok with just a cabinet.





Hahahah you smoke 6-7+ grams per day?  Somehow I doubt that.

You are so full of BS your eyes are brown.




I know a few people who smoke a couple oz a week. Good homegrown too. They're not exactly the most productive individuals though.

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    #466883 - 08/24/10 09:13 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

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We all know that chickenbiscuit is on crack when he says 250% yield increase, as everyone I know who has dabbled in co2 will say 15% yield increase IF dialed in.

Neville said he used co2 and got a 30% increase in yield.. however the increase was only applicable to leaf mass.

My argument is for installing that AC, Dehumidifier, Co2 tank + regulator/controller you can install another couple of lights with a much more predictable yield increase for far less $$. On a small scale if you have the floorspace adding 2kw light to a 2kw operation is a 100% increase in yield.

250% increase in yield is laughable when you see how full a canopy is to hit a gram a watt or anywhere close. Imagine adding 250% more bud to one of Magash's SoGs which he says are around 1gr/watt.





ok that 250 is off thee hydrofarm graph.. and thats total productivity.. faster veg and biggeer flowers.

as far as a sog 1/w goes.. How many plants does that take to fill up a 7x14space? (i only use multiples of 6,7, or 8 foot squares in a room cause im a huge believer in the solar revolution) lets say 4800w to go smaller

thats 98sq ft. One typical sog calls for 4plants/sq ft. Thats 400 plants! f*** that! throw 36 in there and you can still 1g/w w co2 and not too much extra veg!

All in all thats about a $10-15,000 grow though.

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    #466886 - 08/24/10 09:17 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

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I smoke over 5lbs a year though, how could i be ok with just a cabinet.





Hahahah you smoke 6-7+ grams per day?  Somehow I doubt that.

You are so full of BS your eyes are brown.




I know a few people who smoke a couple oz a week. Good homegrown too. They're not exactly the most productive individuals though.




dude theres so many days i smoke more than a quarter! Thats like 2 big blunts or 3 big joints!! HAHA

1 or 2oz a day come october!

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    #466888 - 08/24/10 09:18 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

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(i only use multiples of 6,7, or 8 foot squares in a room cause im a huge believer in the solar revolution) .




The fuck do the numbers 6,7, or 8 have to do with solar power?


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    #466890 - 08/24/10 09:19 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

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not 30%... your plants can grow 250% what they do otherwise.




What does 250% more productivity mean? Most commercial growers don't care about faster veg and only final weight.

What does not too much extra veg mean? Every day of veg is like another day and a half of flowering or if you care a huge drop in your actual productivity grams/kilowatt hour.

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    #466891 - 08/24/10 09:20 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

Ok well I have never heard of anyone smoking over 10 g's a day.  Magash said that's how much Soma smokes...

I have an unlimited supply and I still only smoke 2g's a day.


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    #466895 - 08/24/10 09:26 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

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Ok well I have never heard of anyone smoking over 10 g's a day.  Magash said that's how much Soma smokes...

I have an unlimited supply and I still only smoke 2g's a day.



You forgot me already.
I've been known to average 10+ daily for a long time now.
Tho I'm taking a bit of a tolerance break for the next few weeks, a waiting harvest.

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Re: co2 gotta call out a mod [Re: Inverted]
    #466902 - 08/24/10 09:33 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

inverted

im on unlimited medicine too man, I smoke joints and blunts all day.

i always have burned at least 2 joints by noon. Im at an eighth right there already then throughout the day, and night time is a whole bunch o smokin

harry

6,7, and 8 ft sqaures are sizes you can use with 4 rotating lights on a solar revolution. AKA the new sun circle light mover.

marryanne

most commercial growers that you speak of grow hundreds of plants

most any legitimate cali indoor grower would love a faster veg time!

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    #466946 - 08/24/10 10:13 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

Nice job avoiding the questions.

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    #466950 - 08/24/10 10:18 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

sorry

not too much extra veg.. 3 weeks instead of 1week or only a few days

Traditional cali indoors usually veg up to 2 months. Your filling out a bigger pot, at least 5gal, i like to go with custom made smart pot type 15gal pots.

the 250 thing is a hydrofarm figure did u read that link in the origonal post? good info

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    #466971 - 08/24/10 10:34 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

Gram per watt yields should be reserved for those who don't veg for 3weeks forget about 2months.

3weeks = 4.5 weeks of flowering or 1/3 of a OG Kush/haze hybrid crop or 1/2 of a more indica crop in kilowatt hours.

2months = more electricity used to flower basically any strain.

You're boasting about yields per light, not really grams per watt.

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    #466982 - 08/24/10 10:39 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

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you can do plenty with $200 and a cabinet as long as you're smart about were you spend your money. Nearly every single new grower who comes to this website has less than $500 to spend on supplies, so CO2 is absolutely useless. Which is why I question your sanity when you ask questions like;


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WHY IS EVERYONE TRYING TO TURN ALL THESE NOOBS OFF CO2???? I want to see some evidence for a good ventilation system.






I've called you out on that several times in this thread, and you've still yet to acknowledge that it's a legitimate argument. You're so obsessed with CO2 being the be-all end-all of indoor growing that you're not even sure about what point you're trying to make.


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I shouldve just stuck with the original post. WHY IS EVERYONE TRYING TO TURN ALL THESE NOOBS OFF CO2????





Because noobs have enough to worry about without trying to balance CO2 production, A/C units and Dehumidifiers (all of which are necessary to run CO2 in a closed room). They have a hard enough time choosing between soil and hydro let along trying to figure out if they want tanks and solenoids or steady-stream propane burners. I think that's pretty much common sense :flowstone:







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    #466993 - 08/24/10 10:48 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

Unless you've got 10 lights or are out of floorspace, I don't see co2 being the way to go for a bang for the buck improvement on yield.

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    #466998 - 08/24/10 10:52 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

didnt you already post that set of quotes harry?

maryann
This 3wks cant be calculated like that. As a matter of fact in that little room i made up earlier. The first week of veg would only be using 2 or 3 of the 8 600s. As the plants get larger and go beyond their pots walls you gradually space out the pots to the full room size and add in lights as needed.

Thats all a little more complicated than a paragraph.. but you wouldnt throw in all 8 lights until you reach flowering.


Also, most full time cali setups feature somewhat of a perpetual harvest system. although most dont rotate every week. There is vegging plants ready as the last harvest matures. Some even have one veg house that can run multiple flower houses. This is done for 215 legitimacy...

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    #467003 - 08/24/10 10:57 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

Just post some fucking pictures or end the thread.


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    #467005 - 08/24/10 10:58 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

Yes I did, but you refuse to address them so I reposted. Why are you recommending CO2 for beginners when it's clearly the worst idea?

Also, I'd really like you to address Maryanne's points about how menial the gains are with CO2 enriched air vs simply adding more lights


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    #467014 - 08/24/10 11:11 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

well i thought we did address them. if your on a major budget, dont do it. co2 can be implemented for as little as 4-500bucks though

The more lights you use the bigger your grow looks to the cops. thats one argument for that side. and ive def seen double the growth rate in veg and higher yields. Maybe not double, but even 50% better productivity, which i know co2 ups my total that much.. compared to 50% more light...

take that 4800w grow, thats an extra 2400w. 2.4x12x30 an extra 864KwH/mo + cost of 4 reflector/ballast/bulbs and what it takes to increase the size of everything by 33%


and kite... you havent had any good arguments man. sorry no pics, and there  wont be



EDIT so i dont piss anyone else off for posting twice in a row.

i just found another good link to some co2 info maybee it should b in the origonal post too

http://www.stonerforums.com/lounge/advanced-techniques/3152-carbon-dioxide-enrichment-methods.html

oOoOo and i realized that this post has more replies than anything but harrys growlog of the year since 2/22

I remember back in my shroomery days posts would rock into the 100s all the time! the growery hasnt really taken off like i thought it would. theres way more people that grow weed! must just be all the shroomers are econcentrated on the shrmeery and the growers are spaced out.

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    #467024 - 08/24/10 11:33 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

You have to look at it this way, you're new here, you're boasting fantasy statistics, trying to overthrow two years of newbie recommendations and you don't have a single pic or coherent sentence to back it up.

I'm new to growing and for one I feel that you're overlooking the fact that new growers aren't already pushing their electrical bills with multiple 1,000w lights, we're all using 150w-400w if even using HID lights.

CO2 is something for someone who has taken the time and experienced it enough to accumulate all the other (smaller) things on the way up the yield totem pole to reach a point where we'd feel comfortable experimenting with CO2.

$400-$500 is the cost of 80% of my entire garden and I've been growing for  a year


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    #467033 - 08/24/10 11:46 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

damn thats cheap!

your right and harry's right.

You guys have shown me why we shouldnt be pushing it on noobs. But i think it should be known that it can effectively improve things instead of everyone here saying "co2 isnt worth it" Thats what initially got me signed up n posting.

I dont really care what people think or believe, just trying to save some people some trouble through my own experience. Any good grower could tell that i know how to grow based on all the shit ive said in these 50 posts. Also based on those posts one could tell all my info comes straight off the mountain and not off these boards, so right now im sitting with a little out of the box perspective from all you growery pros. Im not just some 12yr old with a jorge cervantes book as someone said.

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    #467036 - 08/24/10 11:53 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

Glad you had it in you to concede!
Newbies aren't looking to push our commercial yields, just personal.
I'm content with two mothers and 3 in flowering at a time.


I'll give you this: I'm glad that you took the time to get assaulted for 50 posts and hope that you'll continue to stay and learn here, there is much to be learned as I'm sure you could tell from some of our more experienced growers.
I'm sure there is much that you could teach us as well. I for one would love to see a poor man's CO2 tek, we can always use more of those.

The Growery is ready to blossom we just need more bright minds an open gardens :wink::thumbup:


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    #467039 - 08/25/10 12:03 AM (13 years, 7 months ago)

well regardless of what all these so called experts say. Im still completely unchanged in my methods. And from the looks of it, im doin better with my green thumb than all of those "experts" that have appeared in this post except magash. he's got his

Harry is obviously not the expert everyone thinks he is or his grows would be looking a lot better. he'd be up at least near 1g/w with those fine buds. The best thing he's got goin is his place at the growery!
oh ya and only two more posts til i can send all you dicks who pretend to know things, (when all you know is the book and lack experience), back a 0 out of 5 leaf!

im much happier to be the one lacking the book, but steeped in experience. Cause whether i know how much molecules weigh or the proper way to measure light... I know how to get consistent high yield A+ medicine bitches!


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    #467051 - 08/25/10 12:24 AM (13 years, 7 months ago)

Nobody ever tried to change your methods, they tried to get you to see why your methods aren't best for newbies.

If you already know what you're doing and have the equipment then of course CO2 is going to benefit your garden, nobody disagreed with you on that.

Harry is very very capable of growing buds and not only that he can diagnose and give very helpful advise to other growers. Everyone who reads this will always give him more props than you can accumulate from any words that you type.
I'm sorry man but without pictures you're just another person who can read and write.


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    #467053 - 08/25/10 12:29 AM (13 years, 7 months ago)

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Harry is obviously not the expert everyone thinks he is or his grows would be looking a lot better. he'd be up at least near 1g/w with those fine buds. The best thing he's got goin is his place at the growery!
oh ya and only two more posts til i can send all you dicks who pretend to know things, (when all you know is the book and lack experience), back a 0 out of 5 leaf!







You're obviously not fluent in english like you seem to think you are or you would remember the part where I said=

1) that I post a very small portion of my grows on this website.
2) the strains I grow in my closet are chosen with yield as an absolute last priority. I don't give a flying fuck about reaching 1g/w so you constantly mentioning it is seriously just useless.
3) I've been growing more than you, longer than you. you can sit on my experience and spin for all I care


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    #467054 - 08/25/10 12:35 AM (13 years, 7 months ago)

first of all... im not talking about how big your grow is. More so how unhealthy it is the efirst half. i only grow the most premium strains too. they are low yielders. you should be able to get the low yielders to 1g/w just like magash was saying

you have no idea what ive done or how long iv been growing. all u know is that ive been a 215 patient cultivating under that act since 04

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Re: co2 gotta call out a mod [Re: chickenbiscuits]
    #467055 - 08/25/10 12:37 AM (13 years, 7 months ago)

Ok,I'll address the sog grow first of which I have 4 of them each using 8000 watts of power. The other 4 gardens are also 8000 watts but are larger plants.

Now why the sog grows? Because with the strain Sweet 16 which I spent 8 years making needs no veg time at all. The day the clones root is the day they get planted so these gardens don't even have a veg space.

My results



Now the other gardens have plants that look a little more like this with just 2 to 3 weeks of vegging.



When I get bored and wanna play I do crap like this




Now show me what you keep talking about. :rolleyes:


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Re: co2 gotta call out a mod [Re: chickenbiscuits]
    #467056 - 08/25/10 12:40 AM (13 years, 7 months ago)

Please by all means point out to me where they are unhealthy



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Re: co2 gotta call out a mod [Re: Magash]
    #467061 - 08/25/10 12:46 AM (13 years, 7 months ago)

i have no pics. and havent done an indoor since april. I grow indoor 6/mos out of the year and outdoor the other.

The indoors i run though are usually 4800 or 7200 watts on solar revolution light movers. all 600s

My plants are most similiar to your middle pic except i use 10-15 gal pots and a 3-4week veg


Ive never done more than 48 indoors so ive never done any sog.


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but as willis said. no pics no dice and thats all good by me. Ive enjoyed this thread, have learned, and still choose co2 over mass air

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    #467062 - 08/25/10 12:47 AM (13 years, 7 months ago)

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Re: co2 gotta call out a mod [Re: Harry_Ba11sach]
    #467075 - 08/25/10 01:04 AM (13 years, 7 months ago)

now that i review your thread the main things i was looking at was the one made it from before i guess with the xposed roots. lanky small leaves. The short veg that i saw all looked too pale, with some leaf twisting. Im not sure what your strains do, but i generally dont like to see purple stems til late. Some just do that of course. Then your buds are not very packed in there. You can just tell there could be a lot more bud produced in that same setup if it was magash... not that any of that is a major problem, just enough for me to not call you an expert.


and what exactly is this about magash just convincing you to get off the cfls... what kind of expert hasnt been using hids for years?

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Re: co2 gotta call out a mod [Re: chickenbiscuits]
    #467078 - 08/25/10 01:11 AM (13 years, 7 months ago)

Id really like to touch back to that mendo thing too.. f**K mendo

The cool people i know there are more worried about thieves than the DEA or CAMP. Most of the people i know down there are greedy and half the time end up busted or robbed.

Trinity is a much chiller scene, Shasta is blowing up now too. Both of which are way better than the millionare/ripper/fed war going on in mendo and humboldt.

November 5th anyway right? a whole new change in the game.. legalization

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Re: co2 gotta call out a mod [Re: chickenbiscuits]
    #467080 - 08/25/10 01:12 AM (13 years, 7 months ago)

Cfl's what the hell are you talking about? I wouldn't be caught dead using cfl's and I never have other then for taking cuttings and I rather HID for those too.


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Re: co2 gotta call out a mod [Re: Magash]
    #467082 - 08/25/10 01:14 AM (13 years, 7 months ago)

i was talking about you getting harry off the cfls, it says so in his grow log... not you on cfls

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    #467083 - 08/25/10 01:15 AM (13 years, 7 months ago)

Ahhhh....got ya my bad :insano:


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Re: co2 gotta call out a mod [Re: Magash]
    #467084 - 08/25/10 01:16 AM (13 years, 7 months ago)

and dont miss my little mendo rant the last post of the last page

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Re: co2 gotta call out a mod [Re: chickenbiscuits]
    #467172 - 08/25/10 08:27 AM (13 years, 7 months ago)

What kind of an expert hasn't experimented with all sorts of different lighting? You can't talk with authority about something until you've done it yourself :wink:

Plus, if you weren't mentally challenged you'd remember the post in this thread where I said I was living in an apartment with limited grow space. :rolleyes:  I sold my 250W HPS to Stoney.69 from here to help a friend out and decided to go with CFL's for awhile.


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Re: co2 gotta call out a mod [Re: chickenbiscuits]
    #467193 - 08/25/10 09:20 AM (13 years, 7 months ago)

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The more lights you use the bigger your grow looks to the cops.
- the more AC and Dehumidifiers you use the bigger your grow looks to the cops.

and ive def seen double the growth rate in veg and higher yields. Maybe not double, but even 50% better productivity, which i know co2 ups my total that much.. compared to 50% more light...
-Just because you claim it's double or 50% or whatever it is you're claiming doesn't make it so. I hear many people say 15% when DIALED in. My plant physiologist friend agrees that 50% isn't possible and explains that plants top out via delivery of gases and minerals a jump from 300ppm co2 to 1500 ppm co2 is going to provide optimal co2 but it won't double your yields.

take that 4800w grow, thats an extra 2400w. 2.4x12x30 an extra 864KwH/mo + cost of 4 reflector/ballast/bulbs and what it takes to increase the size of everything by 33%
- See above.


and kite... you havent had any good arguments man. sorry no pics, and there  wont be
- It never surprised me when someone who claims stuff that generally speaking just isn't possible doesn't have pictures to back up their claims. Maybe if you just didn't claim "I'm a damn good grower so believe me" it would be a bit more convincing the general consensus is pics or it didn't happen.


oOoOo and i realized that this post has more replies than anything but harrys growlog of the year since 2/22
- I think that's because everyone wants to entertain themselves on your ridiculous claims and stand in awe when they see what in all likely hood is a grown ass man not being able to use 4 letter words properly.





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    #467196 - 08/25/10 09:21 AM (13 years, 7 months ago)

This is never going to go anywhere.

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    #467197 - 08/25/10 09:23 AM (13 years, 7 months ago)

I think you're delusional if you thought it was going somewhere.

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    #467201 - 08/25/10 09:28 AM (13 years, 7 months ago)

Haha yeah.  That's why I didn't participate.


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Re: co2 gotta call out a mod [Re: Inverted]
    #467206 - 08/25/10 09:33 AM (13 years, 7 months ago)

and plus really when you think about it, our atmosphere IS CO2 enriched. These plants have been living around 200ppm of CO2 for the last million years and have evolved to utilize that to the best extent possible. We're hovering close to double that amount right now :shrug:


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    #467213 - 08/25/10 09:51 AM (13 years, 7 months ago)

I know, I've even tried growing plants in a nearly sealed off box with no air exchange and they still grow normally.  Maybe not as optimal as possible but they still grow fine.


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    #467224 - 08/25/10 10:34 AM (13 years, 7 months ago)

Did you add co2?

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Re: co2 gotta call out a mod [Re: Inverted]
    #467225 - 08/25/10 10:48 AM (13 years, 7 months ago)

im cool with all that stuff. i dont need to prove myself to you, i just wanted to see some more professional insight on all of it. I dont generally invest my time in these forums either. I like to be in the garden, developing my property, riding my quads/bikes around the mountain, spending time with my son. All that is a lot more entertaining than a bunch of carpel-tunnel posters. I was pretty wrong in my assumption that there would be other co2 users blowin up the boards too. What ive come to find is that 95% of these boards users have it all up front, but nothing riding in the back. Im content with my life and my co2 system. Ill keep both unchanged and step out of your online kingdom.

Harry, i think if you were some expert weed botanist for the past however many years (like u claim to be) you wouldn't be experimenting with cfls in your "apartment" w/o space. youd likely have a phat house with a pool, greenhouse.. Multiple 8000w hid gardens like magash. Or at least a bomb property with all kinds of experiments. I dont doubt your in some badass situation working for someone else doing all these experiments, but lets be honest. Its not just all yours, you work with a group. I bet if someone were to meet you you'd b one of those booksmart smug people all stoked on what your doing, he who knows everything. Cause you obviously feel like your better than everybody.

so like i said ill go back to my little peace of norcal and leave you to your throne. you can just keep on believing co2 increases things but only 15% and that 10lb plants are as rare as a 10 inch cock.


you guys are some smug slackers! except magash, he's the only one ive seen doing shit right around here. but magash too... 10lb plants arent as rare as he says they are, maybe just in his circle.
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Re: co2 gotta call out a mod [Re: chickenbiscuits]
    #467226 - 08/25/10 10:52 AM (13 years, 7 months ago)

I think you vastly over estimate the amount of money to be made in research science.

Or youse trollin'....

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Re: co2 gotta call out a mod [Re: maryanne3087]
    #467244 - 08/25/10 12:01 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

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Did you add co2?




lol no, it was more or less just a test to see how they would react.  Came out just fine.


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Re: co2 gotta call out a mod [Re: chickenbiscuits]
    #467246 - 08/25/10 12:19 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

You seriously have NO reading comprehension skills do you? Did you miss the part where I grow plants OTHER than cannabis in professional research settings?


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    #467248 - 08/25/10 12:23 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

Yes, I'll keep believing what well documented research tells me.

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    #467476 - 08/25/10 08:54 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

pics or gtfo

why dont you tell us how you get 15 lbs plants (specifics, please). Cause fuck, i'll do it next season. what kind of work do you do to the soil?? ferts? pruning? show me how or else you'se just trollin


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    #467527 - 08/25/10 10:17 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

are you guys being trolled by a chicken 200 alt

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C02 works.
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man u guys just hate everyone with chicken in there name huh?



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    #467979 - 08/26/10 04:18 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

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    #468003 - 08/26/10 04:35 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

Wow, now u just sound like a douchebag, for the last few posts actually. I was thinking about posting the rating I gave chickenbiscuits while writing it but decided against it. Congrats Harry ur last post changed my mind

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Harry you're so wrong, the growery SHOULD HAVE MORE PEOPLE like chickenbiscuits, if we did this place would surely have taken off more by now. Sure he was wrong to push CO2 on noobs but its now clearer than ever to anyone who read the thread that this is not a good idea(*for noobs*) More importantly he's pushing everyone here to do BETTER, WTF IS WRONG WITH THAT, multiple pound plants IS what everyone should strive for(outdoors)
Overall whats simpler/easier/less risky, Put 100+ plants in a cornfield you do everything you can, still a fraction dies you stress about rippers and choppers, say you average a QP per plant and youre looking at roughly 20lbs.............or get ready wicked early find a great backwoods spot and do only 7 monster 3pounders and camp there and youre still lookin at roughly 20lbs.




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    #468019 - 08/26/10 05:06 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

Yeah, except none of that relates to his own initial post. He brought up all that totally unrelated stuff as evidence for his ridiculous claim. Essentially arguing without any evidence that since he's a great grower and they know how it's done out in Cali that he must know what he's talking about. That's not even productive arguing, it's just childish.

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Wow, now u just sound like a douchebag, for the last few posts actually. I was thinking about posting the rating I gave chickenbiscuits while writing it but decided against it. Congrats Harry ur last post changed my mind

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Harry you're so wrong, the growery SHOULD HAVE MORE PEOPLE like chickenbiscuits, if we did this place would surely have taken off more by now. Sure he was wrong to push CO2 on noobs but its now clearer than ever to anyone who read the thread that this is not a good idea(*for noobs*) More importantly he's pushing everyone here to do BETTER, WTF IS WRONG WITH THAT, multiple pound plants IS what everyone should strive for(outdoors)
Overall whats simpler/easier/less risky, Put 100+ plants in a cornfield you do everything you can, still a fraction dies you stress about rippers and choppers, say you average a QP per plant and youre looking at roughly 20lbs.............or get ready wicked early find a great backwoods spot and do only 7 monster 3pounders and camp there and youre still lookin at roughly 20lbs.







I think it was clear from the beginning that CO2 is bad for noobs, we don't need threads like this to prove that :rolleyes:

We always push people to do better, but we do it in helpful ways instead of proclaiming that we're god of growing and that everyone else sucks. All my statements I can back up by science, not just yelling at people and telling them that it's my way or the highway :rolleyes:

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    #468036 - 08/26/10 05:49 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

are u sure u did this enough :rolleyes:

It obviously wasnt clear to enough ppl or this wouldnt have lasted so long.

lol its not like i said u guys dont push ppl i just thought he was doin it better, whats def. not helpful is being a douche(hinthint winkwink nudgenudge)

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