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where to start during the construction process
    #385832 - 03/18/10 01:19 PM (11 years, 10 months ago)

Hey guys, I will be moving in a couple months and want to build rooms for some plants. I have all the space I need, enough money to buy/build the supplies, ability to correctly install wiring, build walls ect. My only real "problem" is that I am overwhelmed where to start. Here is my plan so far.....this thread is just for the construction space aspects, will follow with technical questions later

- 30" closet for seedlings (4 shelves, each with own light)
- separate vegatative room
- flowering room
- preparation/storage area

*Does anybody use the grow rooms for drying/curing or another part of the house? (and if so why?)

*I would like to have plants ready to flower as soon previous ones are ready for harvest, should I build the veg room the same size as flowering?

*I only want to run 3000w for flowering so I should keep plant area approx. 4'x12'...correct? obviously larger than that but the green only covers 4x12. Want to do sog's eventually once I get clones

* I will be starting with only a few plants so I can make the mistakes that are inevitable but want to have the potential to increase, I have lots of bagseed to learn with.


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Re: where to start during the construction process [Re: creep 1nc]
    #385835 - 03/18/10 01:25 PM (11 years, 10 months ago)

I forgot to add that I want to stay away from mylar wall coverings and plan on using soil


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Re: where to start during the construction process [Re: creep 1nc]
    #385841 - 03/18/10 01:47 PM (11 years, 10 months ago)

Sounds like you're on a good track to me. I'll try to address all those questions, let me know if I miss anything.

I always have my veg rooms a little smaller than the flowering room. the plants double or triple in size when they start flowering so if you have the rooms the same size and fill the veg room before moving them to 12/12 you're gonna have a serious problem on your hands. plan on vegging in a 3x3 area and flowering in a 4x4, that will keep your flowering growth dense enough to not waste light, but not so dense that you're wasting nutrients

a 4x4 area is perfect for a 1KW, so a 4x12 space for 3KW sounds great

As for the mylar, it sucks. Flat white paint or black/white poly works just as well and is WAAYYY easier to work with. Don't worry about that at all.

for your 30" seedling area, that's not height is it? if so I would definitely advise against 4 shelves, that's not nearly enough vertical space when you start factoring in lights and pots etc.


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Re: where to start during the construction process [Re: Harry_Ba11sach]
    #385842 - 03/18/10 01:48 PM (11 years, 10 months ago)

I also forgot to add, have you thought about ventilation yet? that's by far the most important step for a successful grow but for some reason it's usually the last step that gets considered during construction


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Re: where to start during the construction process [Re: Harry_Ba11sach]
    #385845 - 03/18/10 01:59 PM (11 years, 10 months ago)

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for your 30" seedling area, that's not height is it? if so I would definitely advise against 4 shelves, that's not nearly enough vertical space when you start factoring in lights and pots etc.




no it's a 30" wide, 6' tall. How much vertical space per shelf do I need before I put them in the veggie room?

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I also forgot to add, have you thought about ventilation yet? that's by far the most important step for a successful grow but for some reason it's usually the last step that gets considered during construction




I have ventilation in my mind but needed to figure out the size of rooms first, the ceilings are 8' tall as we speak. I will be building my own scrubbers for the smell. The rooms will be made airtight and light proof.


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Re: where to start during the construction process [Re: creep 1nc]
    #385846 - 03/18/10 02:01 PM (11 years, 10 months ago)

should I plan ahead for a drying/curing area, part of me says it will be necessary to control odor


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Re: where to start during the construction process [Re: creep 1nc]
    #385863 - 03/18/10 02:25 PM (11 years, 10 months ago)

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should I plan ahead for a drying/curing area, part of me says it will be necessary to control odor




That depends on if you're doing a sealed flowering room or not. For a sealed room you'll probably want a drying area just so you can have fresh air exchange to dry/cure the buds, but if you're going to be filtering and expelling the air inside the flowering area then I would personally just dry the buds in there and take advantage of the carbon filter you already have.

I just noticed you said the rooms will be airtight, which is good but keep in mind that means you'll need a split AC system and a dehumidifier, as well as a closed circuit cooling system for your lights and CO2 supplementation. Cost considerably more and is a bit more complex but I think you'll be very pleased with the results.


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Re: where to start during the construction process [Re: Harry_Ba11sach]
    #385916 - 03/18/10 04:28 PM (11 years, 10 months ago)

split ac? as in air control/alternate current/air conditioning?

I have access to dehumidifiers for free. :smile:


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Re: where to start during the construction process [Re: creep 1nc]
    #385927 - 03/18/10 04:57 PM (11 years, 10 months ago)

hm...you should sell me one of those dehumidifiers


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Re: where to start during the construction process [Re: mhbound]
    #385938 - 03/18/10 05:48 PM (11 years, 10 months ago)

Split AC as in it cools the intake airand passes the heat to external air through a radiative membrane so you can cool the air in your room without any smell escaping. Keeps the air in your room cool without exhausting anything outside.


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Re: where to start during the construction process [Re: Harry_Ba11sach]
    #385942 - 03/18/10 05:58 PM (11 years, 10 months ago)

so, like using a heatsink type setup? im stoned for some reason this is hard to comprehend right now


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Re: where to start during the construction process [Re: mhbound]
    #385946 - 03/18/10 06:02 PM (11 years, 10 months ago)

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hm...you should sell me one of those dehumidifiers




go to yellowpages and look up appliance repair, usually just need to clean the evaporator


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Re: where to start during the construction process [Re: creep 1nc]
    #385948 - 03/18/10 06:03 PM (11 years, 10 months ago)

sweet, thanks for the advice...

now let me help you...and give you 5 leaves first.


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Re: where to start during the construction process [Re: mhbound]
    #385949 - 03/18/10 06:04 PM (11 years, 10 months ago)

check back here within the hour ill have you some stuff written out. im slow.


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Re: where to start during the construction process [Re: mhbound]
    #385950 - 03/18/10 06:05 PM (11 years, 10 months ago)

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so, like using a heatsink type setup? im stoned for some reason this is hard to comprehend right now




sounds like a heat exchanger/heatsink set-up too me............off to do some reading, I think I am getting the basics understood now, can't wait to move and get busy


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Re: where to start during the construction process [Re: creep 1nc]
    #385951 - 03/18/10 06:06 PM (11 years, 10 months ago)

awesome, thanks guys!

This is exactly what I needed.....just some help to point me in the right direction to know what information to look up


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Re: where to start during the construction process [Re: creep 1nc]
    #385952 - 03/18/10 06:06 PM (11 years, 10 months ago)

Yep you guys got it for the most part. It's pretty simple really.

Here's a company that manufactures AC units specifically for cooling grow ops. they have them designed so they can run while still keeping sealed rooms sealed and vented rooms vented but still smell controlled.

http://excelair.ca/


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Re: where to start during the construction process [Re: Harry_Ba11sach]
    #385955 - 03/18/10 06:09 PM (11 years, 10 months ago)

I read about this somewhere and I've been trying to delay flowering because I can't figure how to seal the box to deal with smell

I think you just told me how

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Re: where to start during the construction process [Re: Harry_Ba11sach]
    #385958 - 03/18/10 06:10 PM (11 years, 10 months ago)

I have the ability to vent the air out of the grow area as long as it's scrubbed (smell) first. What route would you recommend?


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Re: where to start during the construction process [Re: creep 1nc]
    #385959 - 03/18/10 06:11 PM (11 years, 10 months ago)

inline fans

or

squirrel cage fans


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Re: where to start during the construction process [Re: creep 1nc]
    #385961 - 03/18/10 06:15 PM (11 years, 10 months ago)

i meant keeping the room sealed and just keep recirculating the air and using the heatsink or exhausting out into another area and bring in fresh air (but no light!) But are feasible in my situation


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Re: where to start during the construction process [Re: creep 1nc]
    #385962 - 03/18/10 06:16 PM (11 years, 10 months ago)

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mhbound said:
inline fans

or

squirrel cage fans





lol yeah, those are the only two options :facepalm: :lol:

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I have the ability to vent the air out of the grow area as long as it's scrubbed (smell) first. What route would you recommend?





In that case I would recommend exactly what you just said. Have all your lights hooked up in line with ducting and air cooled reflectors and either filter the air before it enters the lights or right after. I would have a fan on both ends of the lighting chain also just to maintain airflow. Make sure if you go this route that you have a plan for intake air also. you'll want to maintain negative pressure in the grow space but you don't want to burn out your fans by having the entire space completely sealed. just having some vents for passive intake should be good enough.


Is your house Air Conditioned? If you go this route you'll need to make sure the air flowing into your room is cool, my house gets up to 90 degrees during the summer so I can't grow indoors unless I use an AC of some sort in my grow area


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Re: where to start during the construction process [Re: Harry_Ba11sach]
    #385968 - 03/18/10 06:23 PM (11 years, 10 months ago)

actually give me a few hours im high

harry just made me aware of this


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Re: where to start during the construction process [Re: Harry_Ba11sach]
    #385977 - 03/18/10 06:32 PM (11 years, 10 months ago)

This would be a continuous loop right, with smelly air entering how? does it come through the reflector, sorry if these are stupid questions, it would make so much more sense if I was looking at the equipment

intake flange > duct > light > duct > light > duct > light > filter > duct to outake flange?


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Re: where to start during the construction process [Re: creep 1nc]
    #386656 - 03/19/10 11:43 AM (11 years, 10 months ago)

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intake flange > duct > light > duct > light > duct > light > filter > duct to outake flange?




It sounds like you got the idea.


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Re: where to start during the construction process [Re: Yasi]
    #390029 - 03/25/10 07:23 PM (11 years, 9 months ago)

I have about 5 more weeks before I can begin this whole process. I am thinking about using T5's for vegging, is there any noticeable negative effects versus Metal Halide?


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Re: where to start during the construction process [Re: Harry_Ba11sach]
    #401476 - 04/14/10 08:57 PM (11 years, 9 months ago)

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creep 1nc said:
I have the ability to vent the air out of the grow area as long as it's scrubbed (smell) first. What route would you recommend?





In that case I would recommend exactly what you just said. Have all your lights hooked up in line with ducting and air cooled reflectors and either filter the air before it enters the lights or right after. I would have a fan on both ends of the lighting chain also just to maintain airflow. Make sure if you go this route that you have a plan for intake air also. you'll want to maintain negative pressure in the grow space but you don't want to burn out your fans by having the entire space completely sealed. just having some vents for passive intake should be good enough.


Is your house Air Conditioned? If you go this route you'll need to make sure the air flowing into your room is cool, my house gets up to 90 degrees during the summer so I can't grow indoors unless I use an AC of some sort in my grow area




is 1" under the door fine and maybe a 3" hole or 2 (with a few turns with ducting to prevent light) ok? I may just have the air recirculating in the room with the filter and a small ac (if needed)
I have this set-up in my current place except for the "light blockers" and it is doing good.....although I am only 6 weeks into vegging. The bastards reaked before I built the scrubber/muffler.


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Re: where to start during the construction process [Re: creep 1nc]
    #851843 - 11/11/21 04:47 AM (2 months, 11 days ago)

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Hey guys, I will be moving in a couple months and want to build rooms for some plants. I have all the space I need, enough money to buy/build the supplies, ability to correctly install wiring, build walls ect. My only real "problem" is that I am overwhelmed where to start. Here is my plan so far.....this thread is just for the construction space aspects, will follow with technical questions later

- 30" closet for seedlings (4 shelves, each with own light)
- separate vegatative room
- flowering room
- preparation/storage area

*Does anybody use the grow rooms for drying/curing or another part of the house? (and if so why?)

*I would like to have plants ready to flower as soon previous ones are ready for harvest, should I build the veg room the same size as flowering?

*I only want to run 3000w for flowering so I should keep plant area approx. 4'x12'...correct? obviously larger than that but the green only covers 4x12. Want to do sog's eventually once I get clones

* I will be starting with only a few plants so I can make the mistakes that are inevitable but want to have the potential to increase, I have lots of bagseed to learn with.




If you are looking to build some rooms for plants then firstly you need to contact with labour hire Sydney and hire labour from them. They can build the room as you want. Once I hired them and they construct my house. They also construct a plant room according to my requirements. I just told them that what type of plant room I actually want. Their professional labour just follow my instruction and build an amazing plant room.


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